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Elmacik:
He already told his causes and the copyright already allows him (for SMF 2.x). What I can say is;

1- He doesn't want to completely remove the copyright information or claim that he has done the work. He just wants to organize the software list he is using; in his all pages. I think this is in contrary to what you think; good for SMF.

2- In many people's opinion like mine; "credits" for the software logically should take place in the software; not in the place where software is used. These two are very different things. Some people may even consider that site was prepared by SMF team.

Before objecting any ideas; I can assure you that SMF's founder team was pretty aware of this possibility and look what they have written years ago:


--- Quote ---"I see a "© Simple Machines" or "© Simple Machines LLC" in the footer - isn't it your site?" ...
--- End quote ---

See the copyright page. All of the questions in that page aims just one thing: to prevent misunderstandings about just the copyright notice under the forum. But now we are even going further and putting a software credits page to every individual forum as a separate page. Like that implied team made not the SMF only but also the web site that the visitor is viewing.

I honestly think, logically it should link to credits page in simplemachines.org rather than being shown as a native page of the web site.

Arantor:

--- Quote ---1- He doesn't want to completely remove the copyright information or claim that he has done the work. He just wants to organize the software list he is using; in his all pages. I think this is in contrary to what you think; good for SMF.
--- End quote ---

You're second-guessing what the intent is. Virtually everyone I know who wants to remove the credits link is doing so because 1) they can and 2) they don't want to give as much credit back to the people who made the software.

Why is it, do you think, that paid software offers paid copyright removal?

Here, I'm asking why it needs to be removed, 'because it can be' is not a reason, it's an excuse. In any case, the team (and since I'm former team that should really include me) does not give information out on how to edit the contents of the footer, so depending on what it is I might be able to help or I might not.

But instead of second-guessing why it's going on (like you're doing), I'm at least trying to establish what benefit anyone hopes to achieve by removing it, especially as it's still there even if the link is removed so it'll still be in search engines etc.


--- Quote ---I honestly think, logically it should link to credits page in simplemachines.org rather than being shown as a native page of the web site.
--- End quote ---

Take a look at the footer. There are three links back to sm.org there. One links to the licence, one to the home page and one to the credits.

There are two reasons for the credits page: firstly, it links the people involved in THAT version. It is a bit mad to include every person who was involved with SMF as being applicable to every version, which is what you're implying.

Also note that mods do actually avoid putting their own credits in the footer by using the credits page. More than one mod does that.

Is it right to remove their copyright notice without the author's permission?

Elmacik:
First, although some people might do just because they can, this doesn't of course give the right to you or someone else to judge any other whilst they have even told their reason. If I had owned a forum right now; I would either remove the page or heavily alter it to link back to sm.org just because of the reason you by-passed in my previous message. I can explain it again as:

Right, crediting proper contributors for the implied version is needed. But the solution is not making a native page in the web site in a way that people could think the web site is made by that team and they own it.

If this is the case; then it could link to a page for proper version info which won't be a great deal for the team to prepare.

Like index.php?action=credits;version=2.0.2

Arantor:
Here's the thing, though: whether the content is hosted in the software, or on an external site, does it matter? Either way it falls under the problem you've highlighted of 'who made the site', as you so carefully pointed to the link that outlines the common misconception.

Having the credits be here as opposed to in the software wouldn't change the fallacy that people think SMF is responsible for the content, even if the wording were changed to 'powered by SMF', it STILL wouldn't solve the problem.


And as far as being in a position of judgement is concerned, actually in this case I think I'm clear to say that it does give me a position to make a judgement. If someone wants to remove that credit *but can't do so themselves*, the people who do have that knowledge can make a judgement whether they can help and want to do so.

There are legitimate reasons for removing it, but all the reasons I can think of are better served in other ways, hence my asking.

Especially since it's not clear whether we're talking about removing the link to it or removing the actual page, and the latter would definitely have ramifications to it (since as I said, mods put their copyrights there - which CANNOT be served by this site)

I know you and I don't always see eye to eye on a lot of things, I'm at least trying to see your point of view.

Elmacik:
It can be discussed, I honestly think you just object and don't offer anything. Btw I already passed my opinion humbly to team but your attitude makes me think that explanation is not what you ask for. Though I still wish to be wrong on this.

In SMF 1.x, there was no mods credit listing you know. There still can be a credits page in the forum, but should at least strictly imply that the web site is using SMF software linking to a proper credits page in sm.org according to that exact version rather than listing the team members right inside the web site. It might be followed by the mod credits listing.

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