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So, why are Google pushing Chrome so much?

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K@:

--- Quote from: appliancejunk on July 07, 2012, 02:15:00 PM ---Really now, ;)
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The only model that we saw, over here, was this one.

http://motoburg.com/2301-wartburg-353w.html

Basically, it was a rusty old tin can with wheels.

青山 素子:
Some comments from me on the situation:

First, I think Google is pushing it because an updated web is a win for them. The more fancy stuff that can be used on various sites, the more likely they can get data on you and use to monetize advertising. I don't think it's a directly evil thing, but the browser supports their business plans.



--- Quote from: K@ on July 07, 2012, 01:53:33 PM ---Firefox...

I hate the damned thing, with a PASSION.

Why? It updates every day (Well, it seems to) and "WHAP!" No extensions, coz they need to be updated, too.

So, if I want to do something with Firefox, I use PaleMoon (Portable), instead. (It's quicker, too).

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If you don't want all the updates all the time, try Firefox ESR. It will be maintained for at least one year and have a 12 week overlap with the next ESR release. Currently, it's based on Firefox 10. The next ESR is planned to be based on v17.

I believe starting with v13, all updates are made in the background, so you won't get any dialogs about updating. This is in-line with what Chrome does.

Extensions can do a lot more in Firefox than they can in Chrome (AdBlock in Chrome isn't nearly as full-featured as in Firefox because Chrome doesn't allow the same in-depth access), so that's why you're having extension troubles. Combined with the previous policy at AMO of only being able to claim compatibility up to two major versions ahead and the faster release schedule, it had caught a lot of extension authors by surprise. The more active ones are usually on-top of things, and I haven't had a major extension issue during upgrades since the 9.0 days.

If you want the same engine used in Firefox, but with less updates and a bunch of built-in features (editor, e-mail, newsgroups, etc.), there's also Seamonkey. It's the continuation of the classic Mozilla suite, which is decended from Netscape Communicator



--- Quote from: K@ on July 07, 2012, 01:53:33 PM ---The other thing about Firefox is that it seems that when I do a malware scan, the ONLY warnings I ever get are from cookies in Firefox.

I NEVER get that, with Opera, and I browse the same dubious sites, with both.

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It's possible that the scanner simply doesn't parse the Opera cookie storage as it's not a very commonly-used browser.



--- Quote from: Arantor on July 07, 2012, 02:05:23 PM ---Firefox and Opera (the two referred to in your post) certainly used to - kind of assuming they still do - call Google to see if each site you were going to was on their malware list.

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Both Firefox and Chrome use a newer API (Safe Browsing API v2) that downloads a list of websites suspected of being a problem. The list contains hashed URLs that are matched by the browser against the downloaded data. Individual sites aren't revealed to Google unless you follow the link to view the SafeBrowsing report. Checked URLs are not reported to Google.

I don't know if Opera still uses SafeBrowsing, but it's likely that it's using the download list as well. Opera also uses Yandex, a Russian search company for malware warning lists.

Of course, you can turn off these checks in all the browsers.

Search terms are  sent to the search provider, however. For browsers without a distinct search box *cough-chrome-cough*, all keystrokes in the address bar are sent as a possible search term. Usually, this can be turned off as well.

K@:
Funny thing, that thing about the automatic updates.

I have something of a paranoia about letting things do that, from Microsoft automatically installing Microsoft drivers for my graphics card and other hardware, insisting that they're better than the proprietary ones, and screwing things.

Avast sure does scan Opera's cookies, too. :)

As it 'appens, I have the malware/phishing warning's disabled.

Whilst we're talking about Opera, I sometimes wonder why they exist, in some ways. As the browser's free and there's no advertising and ******. How do they make money? Is it just the ads on their website?

The same question could be asked about Firefox, I s'pose.

Arantor:
Firefox gets funding from Google amongst other places.

Opera... that's a bit trickier. Part of it is the deal they struck with Nintendo because Opera is present on Wiis for example. I don't know about much else though.

青山 素子:

--- Quote from: K@ on July 10, 2012, 06:02:35 AM ---I have something of a paranoia about letting things do that, from Microsoft automatically installing Microsoft drivers for my graphics card and other hardware, insisting that they're better than the proprietary ones, and screwing things.

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Yeah, most of the people who don't like automatic updates are from the WIndows world. MIcrosoft's screwups are always fun. Luckily, I don't have to deal with that anymore.



--- Quote from: K@ on July 10, 2012, 06:02:35 AM ---Whilst we're talking about Opera, I sometimes wonder why they exist, in some ways. As the browser's free and there's no advertising and ******. How do they make money? Is it just the ads on their website?

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Opera sells their browser in certain locations. You used to be required to buy Opera Mobile. Also, Opera charges manufacturers for inclusion in their systems. If Opera came on your phone, the phone manufacturer likely paid for that. It's the same for any "embedded" platform where their browser or browser engine is used. Of course, they also get a cut from their default search engine for sending users to it, which isn't small.



--- Quote from: K@ on July 10, 2012, 06:02:35 AM ---The same question could be asked about Firefox, I s'pose.

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The big parent Mozilla (Mozilla Foundation) is a registered non-profit, interestingly enough. They have a small "for profit" company (Mozilla Corporation) for certain other reasons. The main funding for the foundation is from "search royalties". They have a deal with Google to be the default search engine and default home page. For each search you do in the search box, Google pays Mozilla a tiny bit of money. The latest contract is for about $300 million annually from Google.

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