Topic: ViennaBBS

[live627]

The ViennaBBS project is shelfed for an indefinite time, due to lack of time and interest. The theme parts/experiments from it will live on though, but taking on a full fork was more than I had time for, unfortunately. Your best bet now for any alternatives to SMF would be Wedge - or waiting for smCore to run with a forum module.

k, what about EoS?

[Bloc]

The ViennaBBS project is shelfed for an indefinite time, due to lack of time and interest. The theme parts/experiments from it will live on though, but taking on a full fork was more than I had time for, unfortunately. Your best bet now for any alternatives to SMF would be Wedge - or waiting for smCore to run with a forum module.

k, what about EoS?

What about it? Do you want my opinion of it..?

[Bloc]

That was a fair bit of work you did. It's great that you will be able to pull the theme out and apply it to other things.
I read what you said (in another topic) about working on the things YOU feel most motivated to work on.
That makes a lot of sense.

All the best in your new venture!

Thank you. Its not all about time..but also about setting up hope and anticipation for something that isn't nearly ready for public use. I was too optimistic, and should have followed Nao's advice from the start(that is, work in the back until something IS ready for the public). Suffice to say I have Blocweb to break things on ..so its that arena I will be playing for now.

Sorry to see that you often lack the interest to finish a project that you've started, bloc.

I hope you'll have better time one day for all this.

But life firstly, of course.

I agree with this. I wish you all the best in your real life bloc. Though if you wish to start something like this, do it in a group. It is better since some other people might want to help you finish it properly.

Indeed. Though, I am not sure other people see the goals I have for it..and therefore it won't work so good to let others in perhaps. Maybe a fork is too much, and a mod is better in the longer run. I don't know..what I do know is that I wanted a very specific direction for it, as a fork that was perfectly acceptable I would think. So, as said, better to work in the back and stop making promises.

I can say however, that I feel all the current or planned forks are a clear indication that SMF2 is a inspiration - but that it also feels like it cannot move any further without key changes.

[AngelinaBelle]

The interesting thing about all the forks is to find out what some of the most talented coders think is most necessary for and "SMF2-like thing".
Each of this forks is slightly different from the direction the team has taken working toward SMF 2.1.

But each of these ideas can have their effect on the development of smCore, which will be the basis for SMF 3.0 and related apps.
So, when you share your vision for the guts and/or appearance of BlocWeb, or a fork like eos or wedge, you can influence the future of SMF.

Not only that, with the change to the GIT repository, the SMF code is out there for all to see, and there will be the opportunity to contribute significantly to smCore and SMF3, as well as to the SMF 2 line, even from those who don't currently wish to join the SMF team.

It's a new way of working for SMF, but I think everyone is trying to get the hang of it.

[Bloc]

The interesting thing about all the forks is to find out what some of the most talented coders think is most necessary for and "SMF2-like thing".
Each of this forks is slightly different from the direction the team has taken working toward SMF 2.1.

But each of these ideas can have their effect on the development of smCore, which will be the basis for SMF 3.0 and related apps.
So, when you share your vision for the guts and/or appearance of BlocWeb, or a fork like eos or wedge, you can influence the future of SMF.

Not only that, with the change to the GIT repository, the SMF code is out there for all to see, and there will be the opportunity to contribute significantly to smCore and SMF3, as well as to the SMF 2 line, even from those who don't currently wish to join the SMF team.

It's a new way of working for SMF, but I think everyone is trying to get the hang of it.

Well..I am not sure I can agreed wholly on that, though you may be right in the assumption. SmCore will be quite another beast than SMF. But one of the things that is inspiring with SMF2 is the actual coding, the relatively easy to follow logic and perhaps not using OOP. Maybe its just me that feel that way - but the idea of modules that may or may not be made in addition to a new way of programming(said OOP), isn't very tempting atm. It implies that you have to write the key components yourself - but then you might just as well do a fork since the key components are exactly what SMF2 has right now.

And for me that is just the case. I like to explore things within the area that SMF as forum software covers now, I don't really want a CMS with modules.  Or rather..I don't have time to wait for something that *could* go in the direction I like to explore, when there is a base that lend itself well to it NOW.

Thats not saying smCore won't catch on - I hope it does.

[AngelinaBelle]

Thats not saying smCore won't catch on - I hope it does.

Yes, and in the meantime, we have SMF 2, which is well-understood by experts such as yourself.

[vbgamer45]

Well..I am not sure I can agreed wholly on that, though you may be right in the assumption. SmCore will be quite another beast than SMF. But one of the things that is inspiring with SMF2 is the actual coding, the relatively easy to follow logic and perhaps not using OOP. Maybe its just me that feel that way - but the idea of modules that may or may not be made in addition to a new way of programming(said OOP), isn't very tempting atm. It implies that you have to write the key components yourself - but then you might just as well do a fork since the key components are exactly what SMF2 has right now.

+1 That's what I like about SMF the most.

[Trekkie101]

I'd would bet that the SMF line lasts a lot longer when smCore makes a debut. I don't see SMF 2.X as the end.

[Bloc]

Well, I do hope the excellent theme system of using layers and templates in SMF isn't abandoned in smCore. If it will be using something like Smarty I will never make any attempt to theme it. ToxG is workable though, last I heard(quite some time ago tbh) it was still the main focus.

[Ricky.]

Well, I do hope the excellent theme system of using layers and templates in SMF isn't abandoned in smCore. If it will be using something like Smarty I will never make any attempt to theme it. ToxG is workable though, last I heard(quite some time ago tbh) it was still the main focus.

I completely agree with you, something similar in my mind (if ToxG is more like smarty).. I probably won't try theming it either. I have not evaluated ToxG yet, I expect it will not require too much learning or its not similar to theming system of VB...

[emanuele]

http://smcore.org/forum/index.php?topic=257.0

[Bloc]

So what is actually the status on smCore right now? Does it have the basic modules for member registration/login/sessions?  If it has that I can work with it, even without a theme system really, as I been working with a main theme-with-subthemes for Blocweb anyway and could even write the modules i would be interested in(mainly LITE blog/gallery/review types).

I can check lol..just asking before I do.

[emanuele]

Honestly I'm not sure... lol

That's a question for Fustrate!

[Sorck]

Well, I do hope the excellent theme system of using layers and templates in SMF isn't abandoned in smCore. If it will be using something like Smarty I will never make any attempt to theme it. ToxG is workable though, last I heard(quite some time ago tbh) it was still the main focus.

I completely agree with you, something similar in my mind (if ToxG is more like smarty).. I probably won't try theming it either. I have not evaluated ToxG yet, I expect it will not require too much learning or its not similar to theming system of VB...

It uses Twig as the templating engine and Twitter Bootstrap for the "theme".

So what is actually the status on smCore right now? Does it have the basic modules for member registration/login/sessions?  If it has that I can work with it, even without a theme system really, as I been working with a main theme-with-subthemes for Blocweb anyway and could even write the modules i would be interested in(mainly LITE blog/gallery/review types).

I can check lol..just asking before I do.

There is some auth code but it's support for permissions is lacking at the moment and the code in the main repo doesn't actually work at the moment. Or at least doesn't fully under my current setup.

I've been trying to port SimpleWiki to smCore... I'm learning the do's and don't's of the pre-alpha architecture.

[Bloc]

Yeah... I just downloaded smCore and haven't had much luck getting it started on my localhost. I guess I'll just wait until its actually ready to work.

[V@por]

Looked great Bloc, sry u didnt get time

[Bloc]

Well..it was implied, and its also my goal: ViennaBBS might be history, but it does live on at Blocweb. As long as that site updates with new things, you can be sure it is getting nearer something useful.

[V@por]

Good to hear bloc, always impressive.

[ahrasis]

That's one way of doing it. Great to hear that Bloc.

[codenaught]

I'd would bet that the SMF line lasts a lot longer when smCore makes a debut. I don't see SMF 2.X as the end.

It will be interesting to see how SMF is approached in the future.

Sure SMF as we know it may not exist. But essentially it may not be too different to the basic SMF consumer as I am sure there will be bundles that package the SMF module with smCore in an installer.

I think perhaps the smartest thing to do for smCore is to not give it too much attention to the core SMF audience. That is, don't make the average consumer see the new SMF as merely a module. Usually when I think of a "blog" module or "forum" module for some software base such as a CMS I usually think of an incomplete solution that lacks common features. Sure we can say that SMF has been redesigned from the ground-up (hence a major version number bump). But the average SMF admin probably won't care so much about the capabilities of smCore. I see smCore more for the developers. As a great platform to develop on, a web framework of sorts.

So to summarize, I think it is crucial that SMF is still as easy as ever to install. A bundled installer that includes/installs the SMF module and smCore at the same time. And that smCore is pushed on the web-developers. Probably most people currently using SMF should mainly just think "Oh a new shiny SMF!". Not "What's this? SMF is now just a module for some 'core', sounds complicated."