Topic: SMF 2.0 Candidate 4 and SMF 1.1.12 have been released

[青山 素子]

Then why do they not recommend using it on production sites?

CYA. If something should happen, someone can point to that statement.

However, there are very few issues, and haven't been any demonstrated data-loss problems in quite some time. If you take regular backups, you should be fine. Unfortunately, too many admins don't take backups and then run into large issues when there is a hacking or other situation that backups would solve.

[impreza]

Do not know if it's just a problem for me but as a forum downloading the installation package from 1.1.12 and the Polish language is not always act in the forum rotator news - that the notice and email to forum members.

It does not change the first news of another in browsers other than firefox.

[Kindred]

I use RC3/4 on my sites one of which has almost 3 million posts, 32k members and is busy round the clock.  So, the reason that the warning is there is because there MIGHT be a bug which we haven't addressed...   

[c23_Mike]

Hi there!

Also if you take a look into the bug tracker: it is down to 15 today! There is quite progress. The only real stopper, more than one time written, is the legal issues and the licence switch. As I see, until this is done, the final is out.
It would just be nice what there has to be done until ready, to see also there a progress. This would make waiting easier.

[dvance]

Thank you everyone for the responses. Most of them make absolute sense. It has just been frustrating waiting and waiting for so long. The site I work on is still running 1.1. I will not install an RC version on the owner's production site, no matter how many people it is working fine for. I volunteer my time to update the site since the owner does not have technical experience, so any type of rework on my part wastes my time, whether it be installing a new SMF release, updating plugins, waiting for a plugin to be updated to support the next SMF update, or having to fix plugins myself.

Running an RC version is not an option. I have supported SMF for years and love SMF, but it's time for the site to be upgraded to a board with more features. I would be happy to pay for SMF 2.0 or any other forum software so we can take advantage of new features. I have been putting the site owner off hoping for 2.0 final, but if it will be later than sooner, then I will have no choice other than to go with a commercial product. I would much rather run SMF 2.0 final though; I prefer SMF over other boards and have much more experience with SMF.

[青山 素子]

Paying for SMF 2.0 won't make the development any faster, so I'm not sure why that is even a consideration on your part.

[sremick]

My desire for 2.0 comes from the need for a custom theme. I don't want to invest serious $$$ paying for a custom theme for a RC only to have to pay again to have it reworked for 2.0-final.

I also have a lot of mods and despite keeping track of edits, it's a huge chore reinstalling them all. Going from an RC to 2.0 final would involve a tremendous amount of duplicated effort.

I need 2.0 final as a stable base to modernize my site upon and provide the new look and updated features necessary to stem it from bleeding users. Unfortunately, with 2.0 delayed well over a year past the original expected ETA, my site has suffered tremendously.

[Road Rash Jr.]

You're all talking about 'updated features'. I quess you haven't figured it out yet. 2 gold will be based on what ever is available in RC4 with nothing new added. In fact if what I've heard is true, this version has been in the works for about 5 years and there are no new features added period. The last 5 years have been spent fixing bugs and with the lack of dedicated 'volunteers' who know what it means to volunteer for something, Gold is not likely to happen anytime soon. Appearently they stilll have 15 bugs to fix and who knows when these 'volunteers' will find the time to fix them.

[IchBin™]

You are completely wrong, and it is obvious you did not read this topic at all, or any of the other 100 topics on SMF2.0 final either. Just a troll comment is all that you've given.

[Road Rash Jr.]

Really? Perhaps then you could elaborate on what new features are being added between RC4 and 2 Gold?
 
Are you saying version 2 has not been in production for 5 years?
 
And are you saying that the past 5 years have not been spent fixing bugs in version 2?
 
Last report a few posts up says there are still 15 bugs that need attention. Is this wrong too?
 
You should avoid name calling, it does nothing to backup what you say other than tell others you are lacking in your communication and social skills.

[IchBin™]

The last 5 years have been spent fixing bugs and with the lack of dedicated 'volunteers' who know what it means to volunteer for something,

So the quotes around 'volunteers' isn't a stab at the Team? And the comment that the Team doesn't know what a volunteer is?

Gold is not likely to happen anytime soon.

And you know this how? Are you on the Team? Have you read any of the posts about SMF2 final lately? So what does "anytime soon" amount to for you? a few months? Another year? Troll bait.

Appearently they stilll have 15 bugs to fix and who knows when these 'volunteers' will find the time to fix them.

Sorry, but it would appear you know nothing about software releases. You'll never release a bug free final version. Nobody can do that. Just because there are 15 bugs in the bug tracker, doesn't mean that they all have to be fixed by final. And let me just emphasize the troll comment about "volunteers" again. And maybe you should take a look at the activity in the bug tracker? It's obvious you haven't. Almost 40 of the last 50 bugs have been fixed this year! As you can see you are completely misinformed and are indeed a Troll throwing comments out for bait.

[Road Rash Jr.]

So the quotes around 'volunteers' isn't a stab at the Team? And the comment that the Team doesn't know what a volunteer is?

Not a stab at anyone. It is a stab at the constant misuse of the word to justify the delay in production.
 

And you know this how? Are you on the Team? Have you read any of the posts about SMF2 final lately? So what does "anytime soon" amount to for you? a few months? Another year? Troll bait.

'Any time soon' is from Kindred. He constantly says it could be released any time soon. In fact if I'm not wrong, he puts TM behind it like it's his trademark reply whenever the question is asked about a release date. And yeah it's conceivable it could mean a few months, another year to anyone. Troll bait? Admin abuse. come on you must be more intelligent than to use name calling as a means to deny the validity of someones observation. Try answering the questions I posed?

Sorry, but it would appear you know nothing about software releases. You'll never release a bug free final version. Nobody can do that.

Really? Where did I say that?
 

 

[Kindred]

RR. Troll is as troll does.

My tagline with the tm is "real life^tm"
Occasionally, I have said "real soon now^tm" but always in jest as those non-trolls understand

[IchBin™]

You said we had 15 bugs left? Left before what? Amnesia? A spade is a spade. I call it the way I see it. And apparently the shoe fits or you wouldn't be so argumentative about it. Sorry, done feeding the Troll here.

[Road Rash Jr.]

I haven't argued anything. I expressed an opinion, answered your questions, and asked for clarification in response to your comments.
 
 

[Aleksi "Lex" Kilpinen]

You're all talking about 'updated features'. I quess you haven't figured it out yet. 2 gold will be based on what ever is available in RC4 with nothing new added.

Not a fact - Speculation. Although 2.0 has been feature locked for a long time, small things have been worked on all the time, and along the road some of those things have ended up as small - yet for some, important - new features in the package. Also there have been bugs, security issues, team issues, legal issues, support and documentation to be worked on at the same time, so you can probably understand the team has actually had their hands full at times

In fact if what I've heard is true, this version has been in the works for about 5 years and there are no new features added period. The last 5 years have been spent fixing bugs and with the lack of dedicated 'volunteers' who know what it means to volunteer for something, Gold is not likely to happen anytime soon.

Completely, utterly BS. 2.0 has been worked on for years, that's true - but at that time, ALL 2.0's new features have been introduced, Curve was introduced, and all the 2.0 bugs, and security issues that have emerged have been worked on, and the years gone by have really amounted to a lot of positive development in the end product. I can say this as an end user that has pretty much nothing to do with the development side... I've been using RC versions or Dev snapshots from around the time RC2 was released, on a big (Near 2M posts) board even.

Appearently they stilll have 15 bugs to fix and who knows when these 'volunteers' will find the time to fix them.

If you are going to count bugs, then do count bugs killed as well - the tracker has been very active lately, and stuff is really happening fast these days.

Also, I simply hate the way you imply we don't know what volunteering means - I'm a volunteer, I do this because I wish to help people, I do this when I can - But that doesn't mean I'm dropping my job, social life, and family out of the picture to make you happy!

[Willerby...]

Road Rage, find another highway - how can you criticise something that is free and provided by volunteers? Go pay your troll tolls elsewhere and see if the road is any smoother.

Been using SMF 2 for two and a half years on a live site and upgraded at each release. Respect.

[Owdy]

Cut the crap people. I'm damn sure that devs are doing their best. If you don't like it, go some place else. That's simple.

Lock this topic allready.

[Bloc]

I haven't argued anything. I expressed an opinion, answered your questions, and asked for clarification in response to your comments.
 
 

Actually..while it may seem a long time, remember that 2.0 was a major rewrite of 1.1. Taking a stable version and changing large parts of code, not to mention the entire set of templates, took a good deal of time, 1-2 years just on that. Unfortunately past events(which I do NOT agreed was for the benefit of SMF, although it WAS good that the team leadership were exchanged) also delayed things with at least a year more.

So your 5 years aren't really 5 years of real coding, more like 2-3 and the rest due to changing of team members, who had to re-learn the code, before they could create anything new. I can't find many members that was here when 2-0 was started, and that means the original "founders" of certain code parts are just gone.

I see nothing surprising about this time-frame in that light, and I am - as should you and others, RoadRash - glad that we now indeed have a stable 2.0, with just minor bugs left to correct. What the future holds, no-one knows. But its up to US if SMF is to survive, the team can't just operate on its own, nor will they stay on if you bully them further.

When have anyone ever done their best when getting scorn instead of praise..?

[Road Rash Jr.]

My apologises to those who have taken my post out of context and feel they have been attacked in some way. Not the case.

I have nothing but praise and admiration for those who contribute productively to this great forum software. If I didn't think highly of it, I would not have invested my time in promoting it for the past few years.
 
It's all to easy to misinterpret the typed word, or it's intent.

I stand corrected on those points that clarified my misinterpretation of others posts and I thank you for that.