Author Topic: How can I acquire 2RC2 from its owner? (Read 19535 times)

Kindred · « **Reply #20 on:** August 17, 2011, 04:11:19 PM »

be that as it may. You have my answer.

Clara Listensprechen · « **Reply #21 on:** August 17, 2011, 04:15:53 PM »

Yes, I have YOUR answer. I just wonder about how the team members who put so much sweat into 2RC2 feel the same way about your opinion that all their work was worthless.

I can't imagine the people who invested hours, days and weeks into that version (which works better than Final, IMHO) agree with your assessment that it's too worthless to rise to the level of the asset that it really is.

Kindred · « **Reply #22 on:** August 17, 2011, 04:19:23 PM »

Clara,

let it drop.
You've made your demands and made your statements of protest.

You asked to hear from the one person who is authorized to give you an answer.
At this time, I am that person, and I have given you the answer.
I'm sorry if the answer is not what you wanted to hear, but you have it.

(edit - corrected spelling mistake)

Runic · « **Reply #23 on:** August 17, 2011, 04:19:55 PM »

ok call me a hippy if you like (as I am ... ) but tell me clara why would a group of people who volunteer there time and skills be interested in a capatlistic move such as selling you the rights to a legacy version that is extremley buggy, why would it benifit us?

Douglas · « **Reply #24 on:** August 17, 2011, 04:21:24 PM »

Quote from: Clara Listensprechen on August 17, 2011, 04:15:53 PM

Yes, I have YOUR answer. I just wonder about how the team members who put so much sweat into 2RC2 feel the same way about your opinion that all their work was worthless.

I can't imagine the people who invested hours, days and weeks into that version (which works better than Final, IMHO) agree with your assessment that it's too worthless to rise to the level of the asset that it really is.

With your attitude, I truly have to wonder how you continue to survive in this world, what with you being angry all the time, Clara. Please, get off your high and mighty horse.

FYI, a good majority of the people that was involved in previous versions have given SMF permission to utilize their code (even with the change to the licensing structure for 2.0 final), so that argument from you is null and void.

This will be my only response to you on this matter.

SleePy · « **Reply #25 on:** August 17, 2011, 04:43:38 PM »

Quote from: Clara Listensprechen on August 17, 2011, 04:15:53 PM

Yes, I have YOUR answer. I just wonder about how the team members who put so much sweat into 2RC2 feel the same way about your opinion that all their work was worthless.

I can't imagine the people who invested hours, days and weeks into that version (which works better than Final, IMHO) agree with your assessment that it's too worthless to rise to the level of the asset that it really is.

Well then let me help you. I am one of those who put my days, weeks, months into SMF 2.0 RC2. I developed code for it and fixed plenty of bugs. So, I will tell you that:

Simple Machines NPO holds the copyright and licenses for all SMF releases. Including the ones released under the old license. This includes your SMF 2.0 RC2.
I have given the rights to redistribute and reuse my submitted code to the Simple Machines NPO (under our CLA). That means I have rights to reuse that code anywhere else as well (per the CLA) as well.
As a NPO member, I will not sell you the code. EVER! I could care less about money. I do not spend my volunteer time here trying to make a profit.
As a personal statement from any code I contributed, I will not sell you that code. Although I wouldn't mind making money off developing code, I contributed this code for the SMF project and not to be sold off.

Good day to you :)

Aleksi "Lex" Kilpinen · « **Reply #26 on:** August 17, 2011, 04:45:32 PM »

Since the NPO is not about making money, I do not think we'd ever sell rights to any of our products.
Like I said - You can still get the RC versions legally, and use them legally, and do whatever it's license allows you to do with it, by downloading a copy from the archives ( unless it's been removed from there ).
You can not however, ever get ownership of the code that is 2.0 RC2.

Runic · « **Reply #27 on:** August 17, 2011, 04:47:01 PM »

Clara, I can also assure you that 99% of those people that put code into 2.0 RC2 will feel exact same way as sleepy. Siply we are not in this for money, why do you think we will alsways be free.

Kindred · « **Reply #28 on:** August 17, 2011, 04:53:32 PM »

ok guys... I fear that the horse died about 5 posts ago...

let's let it go as well.

Bloc · « **Reply #29 on:** August 17, 2011, 05:50:35 PM »

It might seem uneeded to reply further, my apologies for that- but I guess its a legitimate question in itself to ask if a version is for sale.

I can only agree with others here though, that what I added(mainly the Curve design) was to be kept free at all times, and not re-sold later on. Given freely, used freely.

青山素子 · « **Reply #30 on:** August 17, 2011, 06:08:21 PM »

I'll add in a bit for posterity.

There is no single owner or contact to contact for purchasing the code. The way things work, the contributors have signed a Copyright License Agreement, henceforth called the CLA. This CLA provides the ability of Simple Machines (the Nevada corporation) the ability to use the code as it sees fit and gives it certain legal standing in terms of the code. However, it does not provide for full ownership of the code.

To gain the rights to the older version of SMF, you would need to contact each and every person who contributed unique code to the SMF project and enter into an agreement with them for ownership of that code. That's going to be over 40 people. If even one person refuses to sell that code, you are legally obligated to remove their contributions to the codebase, even if that code was later changed by someone else. If you fail to do so, they have the right to sue you for copyright infringement.

Because of the license on the release version of 2.0 (sometimes called "gold" or "final"), anyone can take that code and use it as a base for their project. They can even sell that code under a full commercial license if they so wish. If you want to "own" SMF, the best option is to use the 2.0 release as a base and make changes on top of it. You can then put whatever license you want on those changes.

Clara Listensprechen · « **Reply #31 on:** August 19, 2011, 07:58:01 PM »

Quote from: Beard on August 17, 2011, 04:19:55 PM

ok call me a hippy if you like (as I am ... ) but tell me clara why would a group of people who volunteer there time and skills be interested in a capatlistic move such as selling you the rights to a legacy version that is extremley buggy, why would it benifit us?

Because they're killing it and it doesn't deserve to die, that's why.

Clara Listensprechen · « **Reply #32 on:** August 19, 2011, 08:09:43 PM »

Oh gee, that's such an inadequate response. Add this:

1) It's better than 2.0 Final and why my own board runs it and one of many reasons why I won't upgrade.

2) It's so much better than 2.0 Final that I'd rather fight than switch. Hell, I'd rather buy than switch.

3) It's already clear that I'll get better support with it than what's been available to others using 2.0 Final. So far I've gotten better support from Gri and jeza than I've gotten from anybody else here.

live627 · « **Reply #33 on:** August 19, 2011, 08:13:01 PM »

It died for a reason. Why is it the holy grail of SMF releases?

Clara Listensprechen · « **Reply #34 on:** August 19, 2011, 08:15:23 PM »

Quote from: live627 on August 19, 2011, 08:13:01 PM

It died for a reason. Why is it the holy grail of SMF releases?

Just like I said:

Quote from: Clara Listensprechen on August 19, 2011, 08:09:43 PM

Oh gee, that's such an inadequate response. Add this:

1) It's better than 2.0 Final and why my own board runs it and one of many reasons why I won't upgrade.

2) It's so much better than 2.0 Final that I'd rather fight than switch. Hell, I'd rather buy than switch.

3) It's already clear that I'll get better support with it than what's been available to others using 2.0 Final. So far I've gotten better support from Gri and jeza than I've gotten from anybody else here.

I've provided more support for myself than I ever got from you, for example.

Runic · « **Reply #35 on:** August 19, 2011, 08:30:43 PM »

well as we have stated its not for sale, there is no way for you to own it legally and we will never consider selling it to anyone.

And I do think that someone that has code in it saying he wont let it be sold should be adequate enough for you to accept that its not for sale.

Clara Listensprechen · « **Reply #36 on:** August 19, 2011, 08:55:32 PM »

Sounds like there's an echo in here, so I might as well echo that 2.0 is inferior to 2RC2, and I refuse to be forced to accept an inferior product just because this here is your basic echo chamber.

I'd rather fight than switch.

Suki · « **Reply #37 on:** August 19, 2011, 09:01:11 PM »

You are not forced be any means to use SMF...

(Ha)² · « **Reply #38 on:** August 19, 2011, 09:07:05 PM »

Quote from: Clara Listensprechen on August 19, 2011, 08:55:32 PM

2.0 is inferior to 2RC2

How is that? 2.0 is more secure, has far fewer bugs, and has new features for developers; how is RC2 in any way, shape, or form better than 2.0, other than that "I don't want to re-customize my site after an upgrade."?

Douglas · « **Reply #39 on:** August 19, 2011, 09:17:36 PM »

If you get hacked, all I'm going to do is point to this thread, laugh and sit back with my bucket of popcorn.

2.0 Final is loads better than any RC candidate out there (though I'm not super crazy about the all CSS theme... it did allow me to skin Hogville and GridironHistory in about 1/4th the time that it used to).

Hope you don't get hacked, and hope your system has adequate application firewalls on it. Cause there's some egregious security issues in RC2 if I recall correctly.

But hey, what do I know... I'm outta touch with reality (as is everyone else...), according to you. And your opinion (as naive and uneducated as it is) is always right. (someone gag me with a spoon, please)

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Author Topic: How can I acquire 2RC2 from its owner? (Read 19535 times)