Topic: About my SMF fork (yes, another one)

[Antes]

Nice plans, wishing luck

[Femshep]

Femshep, you need a proper avatar. Something with an N7 logo, a big gun, maybe even that cute outfit from Stolen Memory.

Oh I have one for sure, I just ain't allowed to upload it yet

It's too bad that there is such a move on all the multiple forks. It seems to be draining the core SMF of development. Heck, I'm surprised that there isn't even a 2.0 point release yet fixing things.

I agree and it saddens me as well. I would very much prefer to see everyone work together on SMF 2.1 and SMF 3.0, which would both probably turn out great if all of these forkers (see what I did there? ) really tried. But that obviously won't happen and I personally can't see myself work on SMF again the way it is now. I've realised I'm better of on my own. I want to be able to do the stuff I want, add the features I want, without first having to let everyone in a full team (Even though it's a great team) have their say, and then go through three polls per thing. I'm exaggerating now, but you get my point. I'm not a team player in that sense. But to be honest, the biggest reason for me is that it simply isn't what it used to be without all the old people around, sadly.

[Bloc]

... I've realised I'm better of on my own. I want to be able to do the stuff I want, add the features I want, without first having to let everyone in a full team (Even though it's a great team) have their say, and then go through three polls per thing. I'm exaggerating now, but you get my point. I'm not a team player in that sense. But to be honest, the biggest reason for me is that it simply isn't what it used to be without all the old people around, sadly.

Exactly my thoughts too - and the main reason why I rather work on stuff on my own, than venture into a team(SMF or otherwise) again. Its just too much hassle, and I would not be able to do what I do best anyway, because everyone would have to "approve" what I do first.(that may sound more harsh than I like it to sound - not all are like that of course, but many are, sadly).

But looking forward to see the progress in your project. I will surely port my SMF themes over, when the time comes.

[Jeff Lewis]

Is it that bad? I mean development for SMF these days...that it requires poll after poll? Don't lead dev and dev teams have a little more freedom?

[AngelinaBelle]

I joined the team in Jan 2011. So I don't know how features were chosen for SMF 2.0.  That was a while ago.
I don't think polls are taken on feature choices.  There is a lot of discussion about everything.

[Femshep]

Is it that bad? I mean development for SMF these days...that it requires poll after poll? Don't lead dev and dev teams have a little more freedom?

That was mostly a joke. I was exaggerating, as I said. I wasn't around when 2.0 was first being discussed either so I really have no idea how that in particular worked out. The poll thing was just a reference to the past and an on-going poll-thingy back then
That said, my idea of working alone still stands.

[GravuTrad]

I don't think dev team use polls (to other teams and for them) to choose their dev method.
Maybe for features (adds etc..), but for core and etc..i don't believe so. It's more a speak between them. Maybe antechinus or Norv could speak about it...

But a good dev team works in hands together and only between them. Others teams can participate to debugging and improving, but not for the big dev part, it can make problems if too many people with not the same point of view work together.

I think the hardest thing is this "same point of view" part of course...(like all projects)

And so it's for me a too much easier way to choose the "personal" work like method...

Happy to see forks, but happier to see an increase of the smf dev team...(and with persons with the same point of view...)

[vbgamer45]

I would just like to see SMF on something like github where anybody could submit code updates that would speed up the development a lot.

[GravuTrad]

Github is in the dev plans i believe. But maybe not in access to all...

[Jeff Lewis]

I would just like to see SMF on something like github where anybody could submit code updates that would speed up the development a lot.

I would as well. I know it has been discussed and tossed around.

[Illori]

Git is in the plans i dont think Github is in the plans.

[GravuTrad]

i think more github, but i'm no more in the areas lol...(in any case git and github are related lol)

[Bloc]

Git or github isn't the answer to this. Why was SMF successful? Not because "everyone" could contribute to it - but because a small team was allowed to work their dream out. If everyone could participate code-wise you get splintered code, if everyone could have a say in what to add you get endlesss discussions, if everyone should decide how it should look you get..well, not sure what you get then lol.

Its always been about this: that a small team follow their dream and perhaps fight among themselves in a healthy way, NEVER to be decided by the supporting team. If [Unknown], Grudge, CompuArt, Jeff hadn't been able to work limitless in the beginning of SMF - would SMF have been this popular? I doubt it. The support becasme important later on, it should and could not be a key factor DURING the development.

I believe thats a crucial thing to remember. Then you of course can argue WHO should take on something like SMF, since all the first-starters are long gone. Which is why people like Thantos, JayB etc. got to shine too, in getting SMF 2 going. Again, small team. I was lucky too, to work on the graphics and I think SMF was the better for it.

So Github for SMF is not a solution at all IMHO. Unless its not important at all, where SMF is headed. Is it?

[Illori]

From what i understand from norv, even if we move to git it will not be open to just anyone to commit like currently svn is limited to certain team members. the team will be willing to accept code contributions from those not in the team, but they will be subject to review and up to the team if the code is used.

[Labradoodle-360]

+1

Git or github isn't the answer to this. Why was SMF successful? Not because "everyone" could contribute to it - but because a small team was allowed to work their dream out. If everyone could participate code-wise you get splintered code, if everyone could have a say in what to add you get endlesss discussions, if everyone should decide how it should look you get..well, not sure what you get then lol.

Its always been about this: that a small team follow their dream and perhaps fight among themselves in a healthy way, NEVER to be decided by the supporting team. If [Unknown], Grudge, CompuArt, Jeff hadn't been able to work limitless in the beginning of SMF - would SMF have been this popular? I doubt it. The support becasme important later on, it should and could not be a key factor DURING the development.

I believe thats a crucial thing to remember. Then you of course can argue WHO should take on something like SMF, since all the first-starters are long gone. Which is why people like Thantos, JayB etc. got to shine too, in getting SMF 2 going. Again, small team. I was lucky too, to work on the graphics and I think SMF was the better for it.

So Github for SMF is not a solution at all IMHO. Unless its not important at all, where SMF is headed. Is it?

[GravuTrad]

Totally agree with you bloc. (even if for certains projects like linux, it works well with a charismatic and strong hands guru...)

But in our case, it will be only used like a good tool to help the "small" dev team...:

Github is in the dev plans i believe. But maybe not in access to all...

From what i understand from norv, even if we move to git it will not be open to just anyone to commit like currently svn is limited to certain team members. the team will be willing to accept code contributions from those not in the team, but they will be subject to review and up to the team if the code is used.

exact illori

[Jeff Lewis]

If you have no team contributing...Github would be a step up...no?

[~DS~]

Ouchie

[redone]

Personally, I would prefer everyone to be on the same page - developing together.

That's proved almost impossible over the last few years. All the best though - mysterious person.

[NHWD]

I think this topic went from Femshep's fork to SMF's devs and git.