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Deactivate/Activate IP-Logging and inaccurate or rounded posting times

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Arantor:

--- Quote ---You'll find it all right to break the German law?
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I'm not in Germany. Maybe my users are, but I am not and neither are the servers I use. And last I checked, that's only a law in Germany, not an EU directive like the cookie law is.


--- Quote ---Is there a law in the U.S. that forces you to save IPs? I do not think so.
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No, there isn't. But they are saved so that you can use them for banning. Every forum software I know does the same thing for the same reason.

And in the event that illegal material is posted, that can be used to trace the originator.


--- Quote ---...Oh, "far less beneficial reasons" not automatically criminal reasons!
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No, they're not automatically criminal reasons. But I have to assume that they will be used for such.


There is no point in arguing further, neither of us is going to change our minds on this, no matter how much sophistry it gets wrapped up in.

Tobias Claren:
IP banning is pointless.
Normal users have dynamic IP.
I found a website yesterday via google.
I wanted to read a forum post there.
There stood my IP would be blocked.
You see, this is stupid. That was a previous owner of the IP, which can continue spam with its new IP.

OK, there is a meaningful reason to block IPs.
The IPs of the federal police and intelligence services :-).
They are mostly static.



--- Quote ---And in the event that illegal material is posted, that can be used to trace the originator.
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Not in germany (theoretically).
Internet providers should not save IP addresses.
See the case Holger Voss.
Even the 7 days, they store currently, are in violation of the law.
No German provider currently stores more than 7 days IPs.


The BKA (federal police) had changed Wikipedia entries. Through the IP logs of Wikipedia, BKA IPs were known.




--- Quote ---There is no point in arguing further, neither of us is going to change our minds on this, no matter how much sophistry it gets wrapped up in.
--- End quote ---

Do you have any other under control like Stalin?
Anyone who does not follow..... *peng*  ;)
Will you raise they against me  :-X ?
Please bring this proposal to a disscuss, without influences.

See the information from Amnesty International about Germany.
E.G. Police violence will does not punished. As in the case of Rodney King, but no one goes on the streets. These are the Germans .....


--- Quote ---"There are no more good-natured, but also no credulous people than the German. No lie can be devised coarse enough, the Germans believe it. To a slogan that was given them, they pursue their compatriots with more bitterness than their real enemies."
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Source: Napoleon Bonaparte
This is very true. Also actually.


Please bring this proposal without influences (and not the subject) for discussion. Without my alleged intentions.

If it is not possible, move it into the mod-suggestion. Maybe someone wants to program a mod.

Kindred:
1- As Arantor has stated... there are no actual GOOD reasons to disable the logging... (other than, I don't want the police to ever be able to check my system) which is total BS anyway, since your HOST keeps logs as well.

2- why would you round off the posting time? That is just plain silly and defeats the purpose of a posting time anyway.

Either way, I can not see either of these ever being part of the core product

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