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N0ctrnl:
It seems to me that you have to spend money to make money.  Running a commercial site means you're going to have to spend money when upgrades come along.  I'm sure you don't think you can just do it once and leave it alone forever, and I'm even more sure you wouldn't expect development to stop because of the custom+commercial reason.

I have several custom things on my forums as well.  Just seems to me it's a necessary evil in order to keep things moving in the proper direction.  Of course, the software is still beta, and it seems like now might be a good time to start working on updating your software to make it work - I know I am.

leoedin:

--- Quote from: wk38 on March 19, 2008, 02:05:55 PM ---I understand what what you are saying and don't get me wrong, SMF is great and I certainly want development to move forward. I also realize that SMF is free and the amount of effort and dedication it takes to keep it free.  However, when you are running a large commercial board especially for profit, you need scalability, compatibility and predictability. It's difficult for a large forum operator to also move forward when you don't know from one release to the other what will work and what won't or how long you will have to wait for it to work.

I have a fair amount of money invested in custom designed themes, not to mention the mods I have installed including Tiny Portal which is the best portal out there bar none. Now I can't upgrade 1. Because TP won't work and there's no time frame for a new version. My themes won't work unless I now hire someone at additional expense to rework them.

So where does that lead for the future? Every time a major feature release comes out I have to completely rework everything? Maybe, maybe not, who knows? Maybe for SMF it boils down to the data model, the template system or how it was originally engineered. Again, scalability, compatibility and long term predictability. Software companies do it all the time.

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Perhaps you're using the wrong forum software. In terms of user support, scalability and probably backwards compatibility, vBulletin is the leader in the field. SMF is by far the best free forum software, and IMO quite close to vBulletin in a lot of areas (and the SMF admin panel is better than vBulletin's one), but in terms of scalability and support, vBulletin is the best.

ibookdb:

--- Quote from: wk38 on March 19, 2008, 02:05:55 PM ---I understand what what you are saying and don't get me wrong, SMF is great and I certainly want development to move forward. I also realize that SMF is free and the amount of effort and dedication it takes to keep it free.  However, when you are running a large commercial board especially for profit, you need scalability, compatibility and predictability. It's difficult for a large forum operator to also move forward when you don't know from one release to the other what will work and what won't or how long you will have to wait for it to work.

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That's why I use almost no Mods. The upgrade upgraded my custom theme. Only things missing are minor things like button images etc. in the Admin section. My theme is not "heavily customized" but it is customized. PM me if you would like to see the forum I'm testing with.


--- Quote from: wk38 on March 19, 2008, 02:05:55 PM ---I have a fair amount of money invested in custom designed themes, not to mention the mods I have installed including Tiny Portal which is the best portal out there bar none. Now I can't upgrade 1. Because TP won't work and there's no time frame for a new version. My themes won't work unless I now hire someone at additional expense to rework them.

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Every version seems to break mods so I don't use any :) You should probably have known that before jumping in. If you develop your own mods, you'll probably be able to recreate them. If you run a large forum you should have the budget to do that everytime SMF upgrades versions. It's not that frequent. You really don't need to upgrade now, you know. Just wait until TP releases a version for SMF 2.0 - it's still beta software too.


--- Quote from: wk38 on March 19, 2008, 02:05:55 PM ---So where does that lead for the future? Every time a major feature release comes out I have to completely rework everything? Maybe, maybe not, who knows? Maybe for SMF it boils down to the data model, the template system or how it was originally engineered. Again, scalability, compatibility and long term predictability. Software companies do it all the time.

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But inspite of my comments I do agree with you. SMF doesn't have a very clean separation between presentation and content so a lot of stuff that shouldn't be in the themes is part of the themes. But it is the best free forum software out there.

Spaceman-Spiff:
It's quite normal that major release of a software will break its old add-ons and themes. It's always the case for Firefox releases. This is also the same with vBulletin, or other BBS software.

wk38:
Regarding vBulletin, perhaps you are right. Frankly I wish you weren't as I don't want to change my forums over. Most likely two of my smaller forums will remain SMF 1.1.4 probably forever. My larger one will have to move to vb.

How much to port TP over to vB?  ;)

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