Simple Machines are proud to annouce that today, 25th August 2007, the first beta release of SMF 2.0 is in the hands of our Charter Members.
This beta release marks a significant milestone for us, and is the culmination of over eighteen months of discussion, coding and testing since work began in January 2006. We expect it will be quite a few months more before we're ready to release the first public beta but in the mean time feel free to check out Introducing SMF 2.0 (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=163438.0) for a taste of things to come. You can find out more information about the Charter Member program here (http://www.simplemachines.org/charter/).
Below is a summary of some of the new features that can be found in SMF 2.0 - with more to follow:
- Database abstraction - with support for PostgreSQL and SQLite planned alongside that of MySQL.
- Automatic installation of packages into themes other than just the default.
- Email templates to simplify customization of forum emails.
- Moderation center including post, topic and attachment moderation - to allow approving of user content before it is made public.
- User warning system.
- Additional group functionally including group moderators and requestable/free assignable groups.
- WYSIWYG editor to provide an intuitive user interface to those users not familiar with BBC.
- Permission improvements such as group inheritance and permission profiles to further reduce the complexity of the permissions system.
- File based caching for a performance increase on all forums regardless of whether an accelerator is installed.
- Mail queuing system to stagger the sending of emails to improve performance on large forums.
- Advanced signature settings to allow the administrator of a forum to more tightly control the contents of users signatures.
- Personal messaging improvements including ability to automatically sort incoming messages and a variety of display options.
- Improved upgrade script with better timeout protection and simpler user interface.
- Custom profile fields to enable administrators to add additional member fields from the administration center.
- User configurable posts and topics per page; an improved calendar interface.
- Option to allow guests to vote in polls.
Regards,
Simple Machines
Digg it :D
http://digg.com/software/SMF_2_0_beta_1
That was quick :P
/me registered a dig account just to dig this :P
If possible I would add some more text to the digg aritcle in the title and description so people understand what SMF is and why this release is special.
I just want to brag to say how much I like it. :P All of you public people have to wait. muahahha
Excellent work dev team :)
Quote from: shadow82x on August 25, 2007, 12:43:28 PM
I just want to brag to say how much I like it. :P All of you public people have to wait. muahahha
What a useful and mature post! :-X
@ SleePy: Hah, I did the same! And got the first comment ;D
And how come my quotes aren't properly being carried to the quick reply box?
/me smells a bug..
I hope that all the mods and templates will be updated to work with 2.0!
Thanks for the hard work to continue improving SMF. :)
Great job developers! :)
Nice can't wait to test this out. I'll probably pay the money to become a charter member. Has the feature been added so the forum name of forums not available to guest still show. I want to be able to restrict my classifieds section to users only, but I want the guests to know that it exists. I think there is a mod for 1.1.3, but I prefer not to install mods.
Nice going; glad it's finally out.
Wiiiiiiiiihaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
Gonna try it right now :)
Danke as they say in Germany!
/jon
been looking forward to this.
You guys are going to like the ACP. ;)
They forgot to mention that in the Introducing SMF2
From the Introducing SMF 2.0 (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=163438.0) topic (Which I found a mistake link the link to it here in this topic) I would like to point out this was said:
QuoteThis is only a handful of the many improvements made in 2.0.
We didn't tell you everything.. We had to leave some of the pies contents unknown..
Well, that's me registered for a Charter membership. I hope the Custom Profile fields thing does everything I need. And that my expiry date of December 1969 is a bug that won't effect things.
Quote from: Hqjrt on August 25, 2007, 05:06:56 PM
Well, that's me registered for a Charter membership. I hope the Custom Profile fields thing does everything I need. And that my expiry date of December 1969 is a bug that won't effect things.
Once payment clears your account gets automatically updated. What is the status of the payment in paypal?
Payment is completed according to Paypal, but Pending in my SMF profile. So I'm a bit confused :( I want to get up a test board.
Its fantastic news that SMF2.0 beta has been released.
I'm sure with all the new Charter Members it will create, Simple Machines LLC will be raking it in
(https://www.simplemachines.org/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg297.imageshack.us%2Fimg297%2F2076%2F9208v7vm0.gif&hash=4f9d1462a3089b4da35bcc7feb7be7d073053b9f)
I'm sure it will be very useful going forward as SMF gets bigger and better.
Ka Ching.
;)
I better grab Charter myself soon, I've already received my first PM for one of my mods. Will this mod work with 2.0, can you make it work for 2.0 beta. ;)
Send an email to
[email protected] with the receipt info and one of the admins should take of this for you when they get a chance. Also was the server here slow when you signed up?
Quote<script type="text/javascript">
digg_url = 'http://digg.com/software/SMF_2_0_beta_1';
</script>
<script src="http://digg.com/tools/diggthis.js" type="text/javascript"></script>
::)
Quote« Last Edit: Today at 02:25:34 AM by SleePy »
Weak up Sleepy ;)
just now something strange happened, I copied that
<script type="text/javascript">
digg_url = 'http://digg.com/software/SMF_2_0_beta_1';
</script>
<script src="http://digg.com/tools/diggthis.js" type="text/javascript"></script>
and pasted in editor Pressed CTRL A and then clicked quote button......text was removed only both opening and ending quote remains there
The html tag can only be used by admins.
Receipt info thanks, yes, server was slow.
Text means that <script type="text/javascript"> same happend if you select manually with mouse (instead of pressing CTRL A to select whole text)
Even quoting this single line <script type="text/javascript"> results those both quotes Nothing happens while pressing CTRL Z to undo
Quote from: Mashahood on August 25, 2007, 05:55:08 PM
Quote<script type="text/javascript">
digg_url = 'http://digg.com/software/SMF_2_0_beta_1';
</script>
<script src="http://digg.com/tools/diggthis.js" type="text/javascript"></script>
::)
Quote« Last Edit: Today at 02:25:34 AM by SleePy »
Weak up Sleepy ;)
I was fixing the link to the 2.0 Introduction topic and forgot about that. One of the Admins will be around soon and can fix it though.
Before I decide to pay for the membership, I just want to know if one thing is fixed in this version. Will the viewable boards for the important groups (top part) override the viewable boards for the post-based (bottom part) groups? Just wondering, because it is totally frustrating, because I put some members in a specific group for a specific access, but they still view everything, because of their current post-based group.
Quote from: JayBachatero on August 25, 2007, 06:00:15 PM
The html tag can only be used by admins.
I just tried to quote below code on my installed board....same happend while quoting below code (infect I clicked the Code button... same result) after selection resulted both starting and ending quote code and removed that code.....is that a bug?
<script type="text/javascript">
digg_url = 'http://digg.com/software/SMF_2_0_beta_1';
</script>
<script src="http://digg.com/tools/diggthis.js" type="text/javascript"></script>
Edit: Any thing starting with < results this error, for example quoting <Example will result a single starting quote
I'm glad to see the release :) ...
Dug ed the thread also ;)
This is great news.
Another milestone for SMF!!
Congrats and thanks to the devs for their hard work!
This is absolutely great news. Congrats to everyone who's made this release possible! :)
Yeah.
In my experience, don't forget to thank the girlfriends, boyfriends, partners of the developers for their understanding.
They've probably lost a few nights out because of 'in the middle of writing this or that function for smf'.
:p
I echo the sentiments of many of the above posters.
Yeah, congrats to those involved, which doesn't include me, so why am I here? :P
-ALM
Quote from: ALM on August 25, 2007, 07:15:20 PM
Yeah, congrats to those involved, which doesn't include me, so why am I here? :P
-ALM
Your unfinished documents count as help :P
Now go finish them slacker! :D
Wait? I'm supposed to be doing documents? So THAT's what I was hired to do... I never knew that... :P
-ALM
Quote from: THUNDERxRAGE on August 25, 2007, 06:11:11 PM
Before I decide to pay for the membership, I just want to know if one thing is fixed in this version. Will the viewable boards for the important groups (top part) override the viewable boards for the post-based (bottom part) groups? Just wondering, because it is totally frustrating, because I put some members in a specific group for a specific access, but they still view everything, because of their current post-based group.
Please don't let me put you off becoming a Charter Member, but (from what you've just said) please think twice about subscribing solely to put this first beta straight into a production environment.
Quote from: Hqjrt on August 25, 2007, 05:33:44 PM
Payment is completed according to Paypal, but Pending in my SMF profile. So I'm a bit confused :( I want to get up a test board.
Just checked the Paypal history and do see that the payment has completed. Your Charter Membership will be activated momentarily ;)
Please note that most mods are currently not compatible with SMF 2.0. If you're using any mods, they will be removed during the upgrade. I have not had time to update my mods, but they should be updated shortly :).
A snapshot of the SMFShop development version that's partially compatible with SMF 2.0 may be downloaded from http://smfshop.dev.dansoftaustralia.net/snapshots/smf_2-0/smfshop-20070826-r126.tar.gz. Note that I have not worked on this since April, so I'm not sure whether it still works or not.
:D Excellent. See, that extra month or so for Charter Members wasnt so bad, heck, the time flew by!
Z
I will be updating my mods soon :)
For the WYSIWYG poster, there is one small issue that really kills it for me.
If you click in the box(with no text), the cursor does not appear, and if you click off the text, the text is not unselected/the cursor does not appear at the end of the text.
Small, but really, really annoying.
Ahh I get that too at my forum. Also sometimes when you use codes it displays the closing tags.
Congrats to the Dev team (and all the others too)!
Wow, I really can't wait for 2.0. So many things being added..
Just like to say though, that I would like to see a new theme. Nothing against the current one. But this being 2.0, a new look would be cool.
As said so many times a theme will be coming. When 1.1 was out the the theme did not come out until RC2.
Quote from: shadow82x on August 25, 2007, 11:57:57 PM
As said so many times a theme will be coming. When 1.1 was out the the theme did not come out until RC2.
Just a correction: A new theme is
likely to come. We haven't made any promises with this however. One thing we defintely want to work on is getting the HTML output polished up and more semantical with fewer tables where tables are not needed.
And yes 1.1 didn't have a new theme until RC stage. There is a chance it may take awhile before 2.0 would have a new theme as well.
Just signed up and am awaiting my upgrade. What do I do next?
Quote from: lepard on August 26, 2007, 01:02:04 AM
Just signed up and am awaiting my upgrade. What do I do next?
I reckon that you just need to wait for a moment. I think once your payment goes through you will be added to the Charter Members group automatically and will be able to download SMF 2.0 Beta 1 and upgrade your forum. And of course if you need help upgrading it you can post a ticket in the CM helpdesk (when you have access) for someone to do it for you.
I hope im charter.
Though I highly recommend you don't upgrade a live environment to 2.0 Beta 1.
It is our first 2.0 Beta so their might be issues and it may take time to get it fixed.
As well No mods will work with 2.0 and most will require rewrites to work with 2.0.
And Custom themes will not have the new Features that the new themes have.
As well as languages are not all updated to 2.0
So basically your forum will be clean of any customizations really :P
There appears to be an issue with the subscription handler. Some of you may have to wait for manual confirmation.
Nice to see SMF2! once i recieve my google payment for this month, will take charter membership. i will be waiting for admod upgrade!
Well I have the beta now and :fapfapfap: it's awesome.
Very nice software,
thank you :)
I liked the upgrader :P
Couple of bugs, but heyyy, it's a Beta :P
Am about to install this on a real server (I've only been playing around with it on my local test server) - should be fun :P
And I agree with CoreISP, the upgrader is pretty awesome!
Quote from: Thantos on August 26, 2007, 01:22:45 AM
There appears to be an issue with the subscription handler. Some of you may have to wait for manual confirmation.
SO finnaly SMF have the same problem everyone else seem to have with the paid subscription mod, hopefully they can fix it :) and release a fix woo!
I have still not been upgraded.
Shadow, He said earlier that he paid. As Thantos mentioned there are a few problems going on with Paid Subscriber.
Good job staff ;) Waiting for the SMF 2.0 final release to update MKPortal. When will be left it to public?
Other question: what I have to do to be a charter member?
Thanks ;D
Quote from: elwizard on August 26, 2007, 01:16:29 PM
Other question: what I have to do to be a charter member?
Thanks ;D
Here you can read all about the Charter membership
http://www.simplemachines.org/charter/
Thank you babjusi. ;)
wow!
I have been a long-time SMF user, and they have been the backbone for many of my sites, especially with the easy integration compared to other solutions. This release not only answers many gripes, but looks AWESOME (I see the forum is now running on beta).
regarding charter membership - does that entitle me to some assistance at upgrading my existing 1.0.8 to the 2.0 beta, along with future updates to the beta as well? (Well, I would probably wait until a few betas down the line before attempting). I have used a few custom hacks, but I don't need to keep them - I would only want to keep my member logins, and the certain posts. I would be able to do lots of cleaning up before hand... (perhaps this is better in an email? I figured this post would be just as good of a place as any).
Yes as a charter member you can submit a ticket with the information we need (You will find a topic with the information we request for a upgrade/install in the charter boards). But as your thinking it would be good to wait a bit before you use 2.0 in a live environment. Though you can get Charter at any time as it does last a full year.
Runnings tests is perfect on test sites :) Thats what lots of the Charter members are doing and it is helping find those mistakes :o
I have been thinking of getting Charter membership, howver I live in Australia aand the cost would be greater. Any idea what the convertion currency rate would be?
$50.00 USD = $60.3726 AUD
So not a lot really.
-ALM
I might not get Charter because I don't have time to test it out and it 2.0 doesn't work with any mods or themes. Even TinyPortal won't upgrade for a fair while.
Those are amazing news! I can't wait until upgrading my forum, though I'll have to wait until it gets fully released.
Congratulations for the magnificent work guys ;)
For those who want to calculate the cost of charter membership in their local currency, check http://www.xe.com/
Also, to enforce a point: This beta is not a good idea for using to upgrade a production board, especially one with mods and custom themes. Right now, very few mods have been updated, and practically no themes will work.
I am chomping at the bit. Been waiting almost 24 hours now and still nothing. Hoped to upgrade my page today. Arghhhhhhhh. Lalalalalalalalalalala.. Charter member upgrader please start working.
Quote from: lepard on August 26, 2007, 10:50:01 AM
I have still not been upgraded.
Quote from: lepard on August 26, 2007, 11:58:07 PM
I am chomping at the bit. Been waiting almost 24 hours now and still nothing. Hoped to upgrade my page today. Arghhhhhhhh. Lalalalalalalalalalala.. Charter member upgrader please start working.
Send an e-mail to info at simplemachines.org with the transaction number PayPal provided, please.
Sent.
Quote from: Motoko-chan on August 27, 2007, 12:09:04 AM
Quote from: lepard on August 26, 2007, 11:58:07 PM
I am chomping at the bit. Been waiting almost 24 hours now and still nothing. Hoped to upgrade my page today. Arghhhhhhhh. Lalalalalalalalalalala.. Charter member upgrader please start working.
Send an e-mail to info at simplemachines.org with the transaction number PayPal provided, please.
Must be stuff under the hood because it looks exactly the same to me.
-Jazhawk
theres a lot of new features for users and admin like group selection, editor, pm rules/layout and a lot more redesigned things for the admin.
It's nothing like 1.1 trust me
Quote from: Jazhawk on August 27, 2007, 01:06:31 AM
Must be stuff under the hood because it looks exactly the same to me.
-Jazhawk
Well no new default theme has been released at this time. There are a number of noticeable changes on the user level that you can see if you look around such as WYSIWYG poster, option to ignore specified boards on unread posts page, improved calendar display, many additional settings for displaying pms including 'rules' that let you determine what happens to your PMs. However I won't argue, certainly A LOT of the additional stuff is in the backend, such as the moderation center and many new options in the admin panel.
thanks
QuoteThis beta is not a good idea for using to upgrade a production board, especially one with mods and custom themes. Right now, very few mods have been updated, and practically no themes will work.
Anyone want Bloc's Apollo theme for SMF 2.0? I upgraded it manually (for my site), and it's probably the only other SMF 2.0 theme at the moment :P
Nyah Can you update some other themes? :P
I have about 12 on my list if you dont mind :P :P
This really is a top notch program .. best $50 I ever spent :)
Quote from: Daniel15 on August 27, 2007, 04:03:43 AM
QuoteThis beta is not a good idea for using to upgrade a production board, especially one with mods and custom themes. Right now, very few mods have been updated, and practically no themes will work.
Anyone want Bloc's Apollo theme for SMF 2.0? I upgraded it manually (for my site), and it's probably the only other SMF 2.0 theme at the moment :P
vSMFB-Multi-4 got updated to 2.0 as well for my site, but as vSMFB-Multi-6, which I plan to release soon.
-ALM
can't wait for this to go public. running a huge forum (like many here), I especially anticipate those features that will make my work easier and increase performance. Hooray to SMF for the great work, can't wait to try it out myself.
Anyone got a demo up?
Please upgrade Dilber MC theme first. It's the no1 theme for SMF as per statistics :P
Quote from: Lee69 on August 27, 2007, 09:40:20 AM
Anyone got a demo up?
http://simplemachines.org/community
:P
Quote from: nitins60 on August 27, 2007, 10:50:05 AM
Please upgrade Dilber MC theme first. It's the no1 theme for SMF as per statistics :P
Updating themes is upto the author to do. :P
-ALM
I upgraded my forum to 2.0 just because I wanted to help all the bugs be found and fixed before it goes public. We were aware of the risk too.
Another demo - www.egadforums.com
Quote from: ALM on August 27, 2007, 11:17:36 AM
Quote from: Lee69 on August 27, 2007, 09:40:20 AM
Anyone got a demo up?
http://simplemachines.org/community
(https://www.simplemachines.org/community/Smileys/simple/tongue.gif)
Quote from: nitins60 on August 27, 2007, 10:50:05 AM
Please upgrade Dilber MC theme first. It's the no1 theme for SMF as per statistics :P
Updating themes is upto the author to do. :P
-ALM
That's not a real demo. Meaning people can't access the admin/mod section. Because it's mostly a admin/mod upgrade, people wouldn't mind seeing what's on the other side.
I think a true screenshot of the ACP will be cool I will try and get one.
Quote from: Daniel15 on August 27, 2007, 04:03:43 AM
Anyone want Bloc's Apollo theme for SMF 2.0? I upgraded it manually (for my site), and it's probably the only other SMF 2.0 theme at the moment :P
Thats a lie :P
I have had the bloggy theme converted to 2.0 before it was even approved on the theme site :D
Wholy, I diddn't saw this one, Don't know if my host will install it.
Mhh I hope there will be somethime more functions, like gaming things
Quote from: Firefree on August 27, 2007, 03:18:06 PM
Mhh I hope there will be somethime more functions, like gaming things
For Simple Machines *Forum*? ???
Hmmm, the gaming thing for SimpleMachines *forum* ?
Nice question Peter :)
when will it be out for the public ?
And what about this skin? Is it going to be the default one in the final version of SMF 2.0? 'Cause I love it :P
Quote from: Firefree on August 27, 2007, 03:18:06 PM
Wholy, I diddn't saw this one, Don't know if my host will install it.
Mhh I hope there will be somethime more functions, like gaming things
There currently aren't any planned but like Peter said this isn't a gaming forum.
However you can find some things, like an arcade mod, on the Mods Site (http://mods.simplemachines.org).
You can also request mods in Mod Requests (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?board=79.0) ;)
Quote from: Dyegov on August 27, 2007, 06:56:08 PM
And what about this skin? Is it going to be the default one in the final version of SMF 2.0? 'Cause I love it :P
The skin used here may or may not be available in the future. :)
Can't wait for it to be released to the public! I used SMF since the very first version! SMF Fan 4 Life!
Quote from: adicrst on August 27, 2007, 06:28:14 PM
when will it be out for the public ?
Probably not for a good while. You can count on at
least one more charter only beta.
Wow, really nice, can't wait for the public beta. :)
Now I just HAVE to get my charter membership!! :P :)
That's really nice ...
I v a smf forum and i m really amazed by this new version
but what about the next stable version ??
I would also like a hint on how far away is the RTM of SMF 2.0 ? :D
Seeing as this is the easiert software I have used to date it would be really interesting to see how well the new version would go? Keep up the good work guys. :)
Congratz, hope to see the public version soon ;D
Quote from: Ashdaw on August 28, 2007, 08:53:11 AM
I would also like a hint on how far away is the RTM of SMF 2.0 ? :D
Sorry, we don't have a date on that.
Great job with this excellent software/forum. ;)
Quote from: H on August 27, 2007, 06:56:26 PM
There currently aren't any planned but like Peter said this is a gaming forum.
Peter said *what*? :o
Quote from: Peter Duggan on August 28, 2007, 01:51:39 PM
Quote from: H on August 27, 2007, 06:56:26 PM
There currently aren't any planned but like Peter said this is a gaming forum.
Peter said *what*? :o
/me edits previous post.
Must have been half asleep when I posted that :P
Quote from: H on August 27, 2007, 06:56:26 PM
The skin used here may or may not be available in the future. :)
It should be the default skin in SMF; it's surely more attracting than the actual default one (Eye candy) ;)
I'd definately dump the Classic YabBse theme.
Have installed a update from 1.1.3 to 2.0 Beta 1 and it works pritty well !!!!
Now we are busy to test it out.
Amazing this SMF 2.0 !!!!!
Quote from: karlbenson on August 28, 2007, 02:37:14 PM
I'd definately dump the Classic YabBse theme.
I actually find the classic theme as a decent base, even if it doesn't have all the features. It is a bit old, but it might just have the simplest code of all the ones that ship by default.
Perfect. Congratz SMF team and good luck :)
Is there a test site so people can take a look at or some screen shots?
DUH this site
Quote from: Humanporkrind on August 29, 2007, 04:56:41 PM
Is there a test site so people can take a look at or some screen shots?
DUH this site
As a side note you are not allowed to get screenshots only the ones in "Introducing SMF2" may be shared.
Quote from: shadow82x on August 29, 2007, 05:13:23 PM
Quote from: Humanporkrind on August 29, 2007, 04:56:41 PM
Is there a test site so people can take a look at or some screen shots?
DUH this site
As a side note you are not allowed to get screenshots only the ones in "Introducing SMF2" may be shared.
Why not?
Quote from: christicehurst on August 29, 2007, 08:21:15 PM
Quote from: shadow82x on August 29, 2007, 05:13:23 PM
Quote from: Humanporkrind on August 29, 2007, 04:56:41 PM
Is there a test site so people can take a look at or some screen shots?
DUH this site
As a side note you are not allowed to get screenshots only the ones in "Introducing SMF2" may be shared.
Why not?
I do not make the rules but as a charter member I was told not to share screenshots. If you want to see them become a charter member I guess. :P
Well they made that rule to push people to buy the membership. Seriously, you can't get a demo version of it, you can't see the admin/moderation section, only tiny screenshots. vbulletin and other forum software allow a 24 hour admin demo. A few days back there was about 140 bugs or not and now it's been released to the charter members. It seems to be a abit of cash grab at the moment. Of course most people will say it's a "beta testing".
How many places have a demo of their BETA software?
Quote from: Thantos on August 29, 2007, 08:34:52 PM
How many places have a demo of their BETA software?
one, two, three, ZERO
Quote from: Thantos on August 29, 2007, 08:34:52 PM
How many places have a demo of their BETA software?
How many place charge money for a BETA? Only place I know of is Microsoft...
Quote from: christicehurst on August 29, 2007, 08:49:00 PM
Quote from: Thantos on August 29, 2007, 08:34:52 PM
How many places have a demo of their BETA software?
How many place charge money for a BETA? Only place I know of is Microsoft...
How many places offer previews of things/bonuses to donators?
Quote from: SySRoot74 on August 29, 2007, 08:50:39 PM
Quote from: christicehurst on August 29, 2007, 08:49:00 PM
Quote from: Thantos on August 29, 2007, 08:34:52 PM
How many places have a demo of their BETA software?
How many place charge money for a BETA? Only place I know of is Microsoft...
How many places offer previews of things/bonuses to donators?
It's not really donation. It's a paid membership to jump ahead in the support que line and to get your hands on software. Most people I ask about the membership and their main reason is to get the beta software and the added support.
It's not about money/demos!! Usually SMF releases beta to charter members first. Once the all bugs which are popped up, will be fixed and release most *secure* version for public. That's the main point of Charter Members if i am correct :P
Which would you prefer? Them offering a way for those who are able/willing to get the software before its ready for release, and aid them in bug discovery etc, and enable them to keep the public release free, or to have to pay just to use the software so they can hire people to do the bug testing?
I can't deny that some people get Charter membership just for the beta. I can't and won't stop them from doing so. I think the support services are of much more value but that is me.
We released the beta just to the charter members not as a money grab but to keep good on our word.
Quote from: http://www.simplemachines.org/charter/
Advanced Betas
As a way to thank you for their support, you will have access to any new versions of SMF before everyone else. While we have a small team of beta testers to make sure a beta release is ready for you to play with, you'll still be within the first hundred people World-wide to have access to our new code. This also means we take your feedback seriously; we want to deliver the best software that we can!
And the feedback has been great. The suggestions being made are helping to shape 2.0.
IMO if we were to release the 2.0 beta to charter members and then put up a public test site then we'd be breaking our word, morally even if not legally.
If i remember correctly, SMF 1.1 final released to charter members just 1week before to public release
AS of what being said I became a charter member yes because of SMF2 because I wanted to help get a lot of bugs out now so you guys don't have to deal with it when it goes public. So many times they say not to use it on a live site and to remember the risks which is true. IMO I think most people became charter members
a) To get advanced support one on one
b) To donate to SMF for being a great software
Why not support a software that is FREE and is better than PAID softwares?
Quote from: Thantos on August 29, 2007, 09:16:13 PM
I can't deny that some people get Charter membership just for the beta. I can't and won't stop them from doing so. I think the support services are of much more value but that is me.
We released the beta just to the charter members not as a money grab but to keep good on our word.
Quote from: http://www.simplemachines.org/charter/
Advanced Betas
As a way to thank you for their support, you will have access to any new versions of SMF before everyone else. While we have a small team of beta testers to make sure a beta release is ready for you to play with, you'll still be within the first hundred people World-wide to have access to our new code. This also means we take your feedback seriously; we want to deliver the best software that we can!
And the feedback has been great. The suggestions being made are helping to shape 2.0.
IMO if we were to release the 2.0 beta to charter members and then put up a public test site then we'd be breaking our word, morally even if not legally.
*estimates 458 current Charter members* Lets see here...if 101+ of the 458 Charter members downloads the new beta, then the part of the word that I bolded will probably be broken. Because then some of the charter members will be within the first thousand people world-wide to have access to your new code, not the first hundred. :P
I hope I got that right... :P
Quote from: nitins60 on August 29, 2007, 09:22:37 PM
If i remember correctly, SMF 1.1 final released to charter members just 1week before to public release
FYI, We never put time tables out. As well 1.1 was feature locked at that time so there was only bug fixes being done.
It doesn't mater if it takes 6 months to get a public release even. Its just how it goes.
I'd be willing to pay for 2.0... I need the features badly and I love SMF but I run a non profit site and it already costs me enough... I am just so happy that it is released because maybe I will have it by December lol
Good job SMF Team!
Quote from: funpika on August 29, 2007, 09:34:17 PM
*estimates 458 current Charter members* Lets see here...if 101+ of the 458 Charter members downloads the new beta, then the part of the word that I bolded will probably be broken. Because then some of the charter members will be within the first thousand people world-wide to have access to your new code, not the first hundred. :P
Thanks for the info on that. The text is really old, and we should update it.
Quote from: nitins60 on August 29, 2007, 09:22:37 PM
If i remember correctly, SMF 1.1 final released to charter members just 1week before to public release
Yep, and they got hit with a few fun bugs that required a patch. The normal release had the patch already applied. The normal users benefit a lot from the charter members testing the software.
I'd be beyond happy to have this in a month.
I can't understand why there are some people who seem to get so upset about the whole releasing to charter members first thing.
I tell you, the public would not be happy if these same releases were made to the public. It would be a support nightmare. And I literally mean it. We would be getting many duplicate bug reports (as we currently do, but to a much larger extent) and several people would complain about our software being so "buggy." At the end of the day, just remember that, no one, no one at all is getting paid here at SMF. We put the charter money into helping pay for expenses keeping this site up.
2.0 Beta 1 has a lot of quirks in it, and no matter how much we encourage people not to use it live yet, people still do. This is acceptable to some degree with charter members. Because there are only so many charter members so it can be fairly manageable to support them. But if it was already available for download, a lot of people would decide to jump in the deep end and run it on their live forum.
Some of these people will run into trouble with the upgrade, will have "forgotten" to make a backup, and they may be forced to start over. Some of the less forum technical people may not realize that not only will their mods and themes be lost, but so few of the mods and themes they had will be available. When 2.0 goes public, there will already be a number of mods updated to work for 2.0 from both team members who wrote their own mods, and charter members who also wrote their own mods.
And let's not all forget, we are FREE, we will always be FREE, and everyone WILL eventually get their hands on 2.0. Just have a little patience, all. ;) It may not be easy, I know, but the longer the wait, all the sweeter it will be when you finally get to try it. :)
Quote from: DivineMessage on August 29, 2007, 11:41:50 PM
I'd be beyond happy to have this in a month.
Sorry to say that you'll be disappointed in a month.
Aaaahhh... just forget about those who complain of not having the 2.0 Beta. Because that's what this is - a BETA version, so SMF Devs need BETA TESTERS... what's the easiest and most logic way to select them?... Going for the Charter Members. ;)
As a matter of fact, if I was a Charter Member, I would surely be one to support SMF and not just to get the BETA... because the BETA satisfies just your curiosity, but on the other hand, is a "buggy" environment, you can't really use it "for real" because of the high risk of severe failures, and in the end you have to concentrate more on what is not working properly than to enjoy playing with the new "toy".
Furthermore, there's that little detail (which isn't so little) about SMF going from v1 till v2. This is the first one-jump version ever, so it is more than predictable that big conceptual changes are coming up and not just little patches here and there, and that demands more time than the usual to assure all things are as they should be for the public release.
I am a charter member, and have to agree with the statements above, smf 2.0 is "definitely not" for live boards at this moment in time. Bugs are turning up and being rectified daily. Documentation is still incomplete. There are no mods or extra skins available as yet. So be patient. Look forward to a great product when it's finally released.
You guys saying there are no mods for the beta are wrong. :P Theres about 25 right now. Although as said above theres a bunch of bugs and I would not upgrade unless you know what your doing.
Actually Using SMF Beta As for live site is not a genius thing specially if it is huge. One word explains it all and that is "Beta 1" Its not even a "Release Candidate" it is "Beta 1" A simple Beta 1. Expect a lot of bugs as it is the first beta.
I am totally with Aka, If it would be released to public it will be a big trouble for SMF as there is NO docs and the other stuff.
SMF doesent uses Charter membership just to get money. They give advanced support in back. And as far as betas are concerned, I think they release it to CMs just to test the things out. As it is not a big crowed it can be handled and it helps team a lot with the bug reports. Along with that the Charter Mod authors are also able to upgrade there old mod to support with 2.0 so that they can make it public when it is actually Public(Well that is what I think).
Yep Dragooon your right. People are suprised that there are a lot of bugs in it. I mean..... beta ..... b = buggy (not akabuggy's name) There are so many warnings. I have already seen to peole that were at 2.0 want to downgrade. :P
Whilst I'd agree that there are bugs in SMF 2.0 beta 1, I have to stress that there aren't many bugs - especially in you know what you are doing.
I run SMF 2.0 on my largest 'live' site and it's going really well. I'm not showing off, although all these posts make it seem like SMF 2.0 is a pretty faulty piece of software - I personally feel it's pretty awesome :P
Great work for the SMF team. Hope those mod writers will update their mods to the latest 2.0 soon. :)
For me, I will wait patiently. My forum ain't broke now...so I don't want to mess with it. :P
QuoteI run SMF 2.0 on my largest 'live' site and it's going really well.
Can you give us the url of your site?
Quote from: searchgr on August 30, 2007, 04:38:22 AM
QuoteI run SMF 2.0 on my largest 'live' site and it's going really well.
Can you give us the url of your site?
http://forums.tauonline.org/index.php :)
This looks great, a nice leap for SMF.
/me still loves 1.0 most :D
How did you remove the 'Simple Machines forum' banner that is by default in the right up side of the forums?
Quote from: Dragooon on August 30, 2007, 03:03:28 AM
Actually Using SMF Beta As for live site is not a genius thing specially if it is huge. One word explains it all and that is "Beta 1" Its not even a "Release Candidate" it is "Beta 1" A simple Beta 1. Expect a lot of bugs as it is the first beta.
Pah, where is the fun in that, I'm planning on upgrading within the next couple of weeks, only reason I haven't done so yet is lack of time.
Quote from: searchgr on August 30, 2007, 07:39:05 AM
How did you remove the 'Simple Machines forum' banner that is by default in the right up side of the forums?
Edit the code my friend ;)
Quote from: Ben_S on August 30, 2007, 07:47:20 AM
Quote from: Dragooon on August 30, 2007, 03:03:28 AM
Actually Using SMF Beta As for live site is not a genius thing specially if it is huge. One word explains it all and that is "Beta 1" Its not even a "Release Candidate" it is "Beta 1" A simple Beta 1. Expect a lot of bugs as it is the first beta.
Pah, where is the fun in that, I'm planning on upgrading within the next couple of weeks, only reason I haven't done so yet is lack of time.
Your wish :)
QuoteEdit the code my friend
Understood, i have to replace the images/smflogo.gif
Quote from: Tristan Perry on August 30, 2007, 04:06:41 AM
Whilst I'd agree that there are bugs in SMF 2.0 beta 1, I have to stress that there aren't many bugs - especially in you know what you are doing.
Agreed. Most of the bugs found are cosmetic things or small errors. For a first beta, it is quite good. Do keep in mind that we've been running the development edition on this site for some time in order to make the system as stable as we can. Of course, given the variety of bugs that have been found, it would have been chaotic if this was a general release.
Quote from: Tristan Perry on August 30, 2007, 04:06:41 AM
I run SMF 2.0 on my largest 'live' site and it's going really well. I'm not showing off, although all these posts make it seem like SMF 2.0 is a pretty faulty piece of software - I personally feel it's pretty awesome :P
Oh, it is. The updates to it are going to really help forum admins and mod authors a lot. However, some people feel the need to have 50 mods installed on their forum, and this wouldn't work well for them. You are technically-minded, so that helps you when running your forums. Unfortunately, not everyone is that way.
I have a question about the new version, specifically the mail queues. Do the mail queues have rate limiting? My host allows me a maximum of 500 emails per hour with PHP. With 1.1, I cannot do forum announcements, because this limit is exceeded almost immediately with my 18,000+ members. Also, with the mail queues, are the emails prioritized, such that PM notifications would take priority over bulk forum announcements? Thanks!
Yes
I wlll just have to wait a little while longer until I can get a charter membership but I am itching to try Verion 2.0, even if it IS in beta. :)
Thanks to all that made this possible. From my limited understanding of php I am sure that this task must have consumed SO many hours and of course, the people that did it are enthusists not paid personel. I will be joining the ranks soon :)
When i tried to install the smf 1.1.3 through Fantastico i had a problem with the greek characters. The posts that contained greek characters were showing [?????] symbols instead of the characters. Finally i solved the problem by installing the forum maually. I'm afraid if there is any possibilitity when i will upgrade my forum to smf 2.0 to face the same problems.
QuoteNyah Can you update some other themes? :P
I have about 12 on my list if you dont mind :P :P
Upgrading themes takes a lot of work, so no, I can't :P
To upgrade a theme, what I did was:
- Upgrade my SMF 1.1 installation (with the old theme installed) to SMF 2.0. The upgrader *tries* to update the theme, but does not update it completely.
- Use a diff tool (Meld on Linux, or WinMerge on Windows) to compare the files in the SMF 1.1 default theme with the SMF 2.0 default theme.
- Apply all the changes that the upgrader did not.
- Copy missing images to the images directory.
This took me a while, but when I did this, the upgrader was not as good as it is now. I believe the upgrader now updates most stuff in the theme, and only minor fixes are needed. :)
QuoteActually Using SMF Beta As for live site is not a genius thing specially if it is huge. One word explains it all and that is "Beta 1" Its not even a "Release Candidate" it is "Beta 1" A simple Beta 1. Expect a lot of bugs as it is the first beta.
I've been running the SMF 2.0 Alpha for a while, and often have to fix things manually. Recently, it decided to make everyone's post counts unusually high for some strange reason :P.
I'm currently running a SMF 2.0 Alpha version from July... I'll be updating to SMF 2.0 Beta 1 soon :)
^ Heh. I simply just re-did the whole thing from scratch. :P That way I know it'll work right. But thats not for everybody. ;P
-ALM
Is this compatible with TP 9.8? Or.....does 2.0 have its own front page?
Neither.
Is this installed thru webinstall.php or pacakage manager?
Webinstall.php or the full install package. Either work.
Quote from: eldʌkaː on August 31, 2007, 09:26:48 PM
Webinstall.php or the full install package. Either work.
I have brand new test site and it shows file corrupted when installing thru package manager. I tried webinstall and it wont go. It shows a warning.
Quote from: BlueDevil on August 31, 2007, 09:33:56 PM
Quote from: eldʌkaː on August 31, 2007, 09:26:48 PM
Webinstall.php or the full install package. Either work.
I have brand new test site and it shows file corrupted when installing thru package manager. I tried webinstall and it wont go. It shows a warning.
You can not install it through the Package Manger, you will have to do it manually if the webinstall won''t work
If you can't use websintall, you use the full install/upgrade package. Download it, decompress and upload all the files through FTP, then run install.php/upgrade.php.
It's been said a trimillion times, you can't use the package manager for large upgrades!
Quote from: eldʌkaː on August 31, 2007, 09:48:33 PM
It's been said a trimillion times, you can't use the package manager for large upgrades!
Take it easy dude! I havent read smf forum a trimillion times yet. Dont treat me like im 5 yrs old.
I answered your question, so why did you try the package manager?
Never mind I suppose what I wrote originally could be misread.
Webinstall doesn't seem to like 2.0. I reported this a while ago but it got lost. Only recently was it brought back up. The devs are looking into the issue but not very hard as it isn't a priority fix.
Great job, y'all! It looks neat and I can't wait for it to be released! :D
Quote from: eldʌkaː on August 31, 2007, 09:55:39 PM
I answered your question, so why did you try the package manager?
Never mind I suppose what I wrote originally could be misread.
No biggie. I unzipped it onto my server and it works. Pretty neat admin features tho'.
I thought the default theme changed too but no. It still looks the same old theme.
Quote from: BlueDevil on September 01, 2007, 07:51:55 AM
I thought the default theme changed too but no. It still looks the same old theme.
Nothing's been decided for sure yet, although there may be a new default theme coming up sometime in SMF 2.0 :)
Yeah, remember, that 1.1's default wasn't released until 1.1 RC2. So don't be surprised if 2.0's default (if any) isn't released until around then.
-ALM
wait for long time...
what's time i can seen the chinese rc
As said a ton of times the SMF2 theme will not be released until later. It's a beta right now people.
Quote from: shadow82x on September 01, 2007, 10:07:16 AM
As said a ton of times the SMF2 theme will not be released until later. It's a beta right now people.
You say that as if the masses listen :P Just got to look at how many people ask when it'll be out to see they dont ;)
the short and simple answer is, it will be released when its ready,
As its been pointed out tis is a beta of smf2, 1.1.3 is the current and will be out for a long time yet.
If people reallly want to see the beta then become charter, you also have to understand thatt he developers havemt even decided if smf2 beta 1 will be public release it may stay for charter members until the rc's or even the stable. The more people ask when it gonna be released the less likley it will be soon as its putting pressures on the developers.
Quote from: Sordell Media on September 01, 2007, 02:30:33 PM
You say that as if the masses listen :P Just got to look at how many people ask when it'll be out to see they dont ;)
Maybe we should have it in big off letters on every page of the community forum.
SMF 2.0 WILL BE OUT WHEN IT'S READY!Hmm... too large? :P
-ALM
Quote from: ALM on September 01, 2007, 04:24:22 PM
Quote from: Sordell Media on September 01, 2007, 02:30:33 PM
You say that as if the masses listen :P Just got to look at how many people ask when it'll be out to see they dont ;)
Maybe we should have it in big off letters on every page of the community forum.
SMF 2.0 WILL BE OUT WHEN IT'S READY!
Hmm... too large? :P
-ALM
Maybe a little bigger.... People still never get the point.
Quote from: shadow82x on September 01, 2007, 04:27:46 PM
Quote from: ALM on September 01, 2007, 04:24:22 PM
Quote from: Sordell Media on September 01, 2007, 02:30:33 PM
You say that as if the masses listen :P Just got to look at how many people ask when it'll be out to see they dont ;)
Maybe we should have it in big off letters on every page of the community forum.
SMF 2.0 WILL BE OUT WHEN IT'S READY!
Hmm... too large? :P
-ALM
Maybe a little bigger.... People still never get the point.
Dont forget the obnoxiously bright fluorescent colours, then they might see it :P
Quote from: sloopz on September 01, 2007, 02:56:25 PM
you also have to understand thatt he developers havemt even decided if smf2 beta 1 will be public release it may stay for charter members until the rc's or even the stable.
Some clarification earlier in this topic:
Quote from: Thantos on August 27, 2007, 07:45:38 PM
Quote from: adicrst on August 27, 2007, 06:28:14 PM
when will it be out for the public ?
Probably not for a good while. You can count on at least one more charter only beta.
Quote from: Sordell Media on September 01, 2007, 04:33:05 PM
Quote from: shadow82x on September 01, 2007, 04:27:46 PM
Quote from: ALM on September 01, 2007, 04:24:22 PM
Quote from: Sordell Media on September 01, 2007, 02:30:33 PM
You say that as if the masses listen :P Just got to look at how many people ask when it'll be out to see they dont ;)
Maybe we should have it in big off letters on every page of the community forum.
SMF 2.0 WILL BE OUT WHEN IT'S READY!
Hmm... too large? :P
-ALM
Maybe a little bigger.... People still never get the point.
Dont forget the obnoxiously bright fluorescent colours, then they might see it :P
And blinking!
Large blinking text with bright colours in a marquee should get everyone's attention :D
SMF 2.0 WILL BE OUT WHEN IT'S READY!
Dang, only blinking isnt supported :P
Quote from: karlbenson on September 01, 2007, 09:46:32 PM
SMF 2.0 WILL BE OUT WHEN IT'S READY!
Aw, beat me to the punch. I was just about to make my own gradient-type "SMF 2.0 will be out when it's ready" message :(
SMF 2.0 WILL BE OUT WHEN IT'S READY!
Next contest: Who can make the best "SMF 2.0 WILL BE OUT WHEN IT'S READY" banner. :P
Good job you quoted me before my edit ;)
Quote from: karlbenson on September 01, 2007, 09:46:32 PM
SMF 2.0 WILL BE OUT WHEN IT'S READY!
Dang, only blinking isnt supported :P
Looks nice I will have to use that post for future posts!
<blink>!
Oh wait... that would be a downgrade from what we have now, and if you're going to make a new theme it needs to be an upgrade :P
Thats still to small, I can't read that >:(
SMF
heehe, SMF limits you to the double digits :P
I didn't put the full thing for a reason, btw.
How good is SMF2.0
this much
Man this topic got spammy now. :P
Now lets just hope everyone reads this topic and does not ask that again. ;)
Yeah right
SMF
(oops!)
It's starting to look like a children's playground over here. :P
Edit: DANG eldacar. :-\
Nice eldʌkaː. akabugeyes wants to kill the fun. :( Be that way.
Nope
(https://www.simplemachines.org/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.carlowcountymuseum.com%2Fcarlow-town%2Ftown-park%2Fimages%2Fplay-area.jpg&hash=461bd366b2e4ab92cf0b8569b18a6af3d0ac2d26)
Now it looks like a childrens playground ;)
Quote from: eldʌkaː on September 02, 2007, 01:12:30 AM
SMF
(oops!)
Hey Keep the size in control. My eyes were almost blown.
Quote from: karlbenson on September 02, 2007, 01:15:23 AM
Nope
(https://www.simplemachines.org/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.carlowcountymuseum.com%2Fcarlow-town%2Ftown-park%2Fimages%2Fplay-area.jpg&hash=461bd366b2e4ab92cf0b8569b18a6af3d0ac2d26)
Now it looks like a childrens playground ;)
That swing looks fine! No really this topic is out of control. (Waits for Thantos to lock it)
That was in control! I was tempted to go 9 times larger!
Saw what????!
Quote from: Dragooon on September 02, 2007, 01:41:32 AM
Saw what????!
OK Dragooon your getting a little carried away do you guys even remember the topic title. :P
Topic: SMF 2.0 Beta 1 Released to Charter Members
i like
Is the cron feature added too ??
What you mean by "Cron Feature"?
Quote from: Dragooon on September 02, 2007, 09:50:51 AM
What you mean by "Cron Feature"?
I think he was confused and thought SMF was capable of adding cron jobs.
So no, barath:
you cannot create cronjobs using MySQL/PHP alone.
Scheduled Tasks (http://www.simplemachines.org/smf/SMF20/SMF20_3.png), you mean? ;)
Quote from: Aäron on September 02, 2007, 10:57:52 AM
Scheduled Tasks (http://www.simplemachines.org/smf/SMF20/SMF20_3.png), you mean? ;)
Oh wow, guess I was wrong :P
Quote from: Grudge on August 24, 2007, 11:34:35 AM
- Automatic installation of packages into themes other than just the default.
- Email templates to simplify customization of forum emails.
[- User warning system.
- Advanced signature settings to allow the administrator of a forum to more tightly control the contents of users signatures.
oha DROOOOL GIMME GIMME GIMME. What, NOOO £25 ARG. (waiting patiently for public release).
Congratulations to the developers and the SMF Team on reaching a new milestone with the project! And also to the Charter Members who get to test it early :P
Quote from: Grudge on August 24, 2007, 11:34:35 AM
File based caching for a performance increase on all forums regardless of whether an accelerator is installed.
How's the performance of this compared to no caching or standalone accelerators such as eAccelerator and APC? Also, does it increase performance if you already have another accelerator running?
Quote from: Grudge on August 24, 2007, 11:34:35 AM
User configurable posts and topics per page
Is this an on-off setting in the Admin CP, or can you enable it within a range, for example 10-50 topics per page?
QuoteIs this an on-off setting in the Admin CP, or can you enable it within a range, for example 10-50 topics per page?
Not at the time you can disable/enable this feature though.
Quote
How's the performance of this compared to no caching or standalone accelerators such as eAccelerator and APC? Also, does it increase performance if you already have another accelerator running?
Never tested it with 2 accelerators but with none its a bit faster than SMF1.1.3 even with all the new features.
Quote from: shadow82x on September 02, 2007, 02:53:05 PM
QuoteIs this an on-off setting in the Admin CP, or can you enable it within a range, for example 10-50 topics per page?
Not at the time you can disable/enable this feature though.
Hopefully, that will change in the future. It's a nice little feature, but I don't think I would enable it on my own forum without the possibility of setting a roof on the values the users can choose from...