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Title: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: Kindred on December 12, 2016, 08:13:10 AM
Hello loyal SMF users, admins and others!

The SMF team has its ups and downs, its growth and shrinkage, and its releases and delays, but the project marches onward, regardless of the individuals, even when it's moving slowly.

You may have noticed a recent shift in badges
-- Our previous PM and developer, Suki, decided to step down, so I have been appointed as PM pro tempore until the scheduled elections in the Jan/Feb time-frame.
-- Some team members have stepped up into new roles.
-- We're looking to add some new team members as well.

The team sticks together and we continue to move forward.

-- 2.0.13 will be released shortly.
-- We are working on adding php7 and some other capability enhancements into the 2.0.x release line
-- We are working on getting the official beta3 release of the 2.1 line out as well.

Now, you ask, when will all this happen. (shame on you for asking that! You know our mantra, by now!)  -- WHEN IT'S READY. :D   However, that ready will be "soon" (as opposed to "sometime") :)

thanks go out to our team, for the amazing work that they do, and to all of you, for your continued support of SMF.
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: Looking on December 12, 2016, 08:16:23 AM
Nice to see improvements and SMF moving forward.
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: charlottezweb on December 12, 2016, 09:32:29 AM
Thanks for the update!
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: d3vcho(); on December 12, 2016, 10:17:38 AM
This kind of topics are necessary. We, the users, like to be informed about the project oftenly.

Thanks for your hard work!
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: Oldcrow on December 12, 2016, 11:16:57 AM
Thanks Kindred, happy to see a nice post about what's going on..sorry to see Suki step down, but things do happen..

Keep up the great work..

Ron..


Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: Diego Andrés on December 12, 2016, 12:30:22 PM
This kind of topics are necessary. We, the users, like to be informed about the project oftenly.

Thanks for your hard work!

But only if they come often, not sporadically like this one.

It's nice to finally see some info and updates though, thanks.
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: Nolt on December 12, 2016, 01:02:25 PM
Good news :) I hope both releases we'll see in this year :D
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: HDB on December 12, 2016, 02:32:56 PM
Thanks to all the SMF Team.
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: Colin on December 12, 2016, 02:33:35 PM
Good feedback to hear. We will try to keep more status topics coming :)
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: cpf on December 12, 2016, 03:10:13 PM
Thank you for the update!!
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: Steve on December 12, 2016, 03:23:45 PM
Awesome. Thanks for keeping us informed. :)

(Not awesome that Suki's stepping down ... awesome about letting us know.)
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: Mr. Jinx on December 12, 2016, 03:31:53 PM
Good. Thanks for the update!
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: shawnb61 on December 12, 2016, 03:51:57 PM
Thanks for the update.

Thanks to the whole SMF team, & to Suki for her help & guidance in recent months.

& Thanks to you, Kindred, for stepping in whenever & wherever it's needed.
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: stmaxx on December 12, 2016, 04:09:42 PM
Thank you very much for the update info and all the hard work making this fine forum free for all of us to use and enjoy!

I myself am a fan of free information and all I do is spread this and other info to the user. Even though some are in it for the monetary reasons,  I have issues with that, however if you are, then one must be ready to wait. Many here are working hard as volunteers to give us, what I have always considered.. through many years of testing other Forums, Blogs and Systems this is the best one yet. I can do most anything I wish with the SMF.

I feel it's best to speak positive about SMF and show the public how to setup and use the Forum system. This will get more users on board, so to gain an up word  public interest in this system. We all need to do our part promoting positive remarks, rather than the negative!

The V 2.1Betas, I've been using them live from the day the were released, (this not recommended by SMF) how ever it show me, it is well on the right path!

Maxx


Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: gisfreak on December 14, 2016, 01:24:11 AM
thanx for the news :)
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: wintstar on December 14, 2016, 04:15:45 AM
Great news  :)

There will be an update that Curve is Responsive for the mobile Internet ?

Regards Stephan
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: Illori on December 14, 2016, 05:12:19 AM
There will be an update that Curve is Responsive for the mobile Internet ?

there is a mod that does that, it has been around for a few years.
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: cpf on December 14, 2016, 06:24:54 PM
Thank you very much for the update info and all the hard work making this fine forum free for all of us to use and enjoy!

I myself am a fan of free information and all I do is spread this and other info to the user. Even though some are in it for the monetary reasons,  I have issues with that, however if you are, then one must be ready to wait. Many here are working hard as volunteers to give us, what I have always considered.. through many years of testing other Forums, Blogs and Systems this is the best one yet. I can do most anything I wish with the SMF.

I feel it's best to speak positive about SMF and show the public how to setup and use the Forum system. This will get more users on board, so to gain an up word  public interest in this system. We all need to do our part promoting positive remarks, rather than the negative!

The V 2.1Betas, I've been using them live from the day the were released, (this not recommended by SMF) how ever it show me, it is well on the right path!

Maxx

stmaxx, how has the beta been working for you?  I really need to do an upgrade, but our forum is pretty active, so I need to make sure it's pretty stable.  Also, please PM me regarding a theme.
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: Kindred on December 14, 2016, 07:08:28 PM
1- this is not a thread for discussion like that.
2- the beta are, by nature, not stable - and there is no direct/patch upgrade -- which is why you should never use a beta on a production site.
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: OCJ on December 14, 2016, 07:15:42 PM
I do hope SMF gets itself sorted out and perhaps makes its decision making more transparent and democratic - to stop losing staff.
It is falling behind too much and failing dedicated volunteers.

The most popular portal and always in the top 4 of mods, may well be closing its doors next year because there is no demand... people are moving away from SMF and it is not attracting  people as it was before.
Another stalwart supporter of SMF with a portal has recently forked 2.1 and left in frustration.

I have been using SMF since 2010 when there was so  much optimism. I do not want to make these comments but what else can people do... the management system is not working and not fixing it will just continue to hold back SMF.

Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: Illori on December 14, 2016, 07:30:11 PM
to stop losing staff.

do keep in mind not everyone that has left the team has left because of issues in the team, most people leave because they lack the time to dedicate to the project and need to focus on other things like their job and family.
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: charlottezweb on December 14, 2016, 07:41:00 PM
I do hope SMF gets itself sorted out and perhaps makes its decision making more transparent and democratic - to stop losing staff.
It is falling behind too much and failing dedicated volunteers.

The most popular portal and always in the top 4 of mods, may well be closing its doors next year because there is no demand... people are moving away from SMF and it is not attracting  people as it was before.
Another stalwart supporter of SMF with a portal has recently forked 2.1 and left in frustration.

I have been using SMF since 2010 when there was so  much optimism. I do not want to make these comments but what else can people do... the management system is not working and not fixing it will just continue to hold back SMF.



A few comments from someone that was around before SMF back in the YaBB SE days...

The web is not what it used to be and Forums aren't what they used to be.  I could probably write a thesis on this topic but simply stated -- With the advent of social media and available platforms, forums aren't what they used to be.  I was involved in LOTS of forums 10-15 years ago that were incredibly active.  A lot of this is because it was a new concept and people loved focused communities, the new options it allowed, etc.   Flash forward, we have Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIN, etc. etc and in order to have a successful forum, you often need a niche to cater to...

All of that being said, I have paid attention to SMF through the years and the output/script has been incredibly solid. 

I get where some people may be coming from in a sense of insecurity if they are building their paid services around it.  I totally get that.  But at the end of the day, SMF has been a rock-solid platform.

Kudos to the team and volunteers.  I think there's tremendous things to come but to the "old-school" forum vets, I think the world has changed a bit.

I'd love to hear your feedback (mods - split if needed)  :)
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: Raja G on December 15, 2016, 10:07:19 AM
Nice to see improvements and SMF moving forward.
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: equinoxmatt on December 18, 2016, 01:41:07 PM
Why make PHP 7 patches for the 2.0.X line?  Would it not be a better idea to spend more time on finishing 2.1 (which is already has PHP 7 compatibility?).
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: Kryzen on December 18, 2016, 01:45:22 PM
Because 2.1 isn't meant to be used in production, and most people still use 2.0. ;)
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: equinoxmatt on December 18, 2016, 02:22:57 PM
I know 2.1 isn't production ready,  that being said I don't see why we don't just patch security issues with 2.0.x and focus all attention 2.1 to a RC state.
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: d3vcho(); on December 18, 2016, 02:26:47 PM
First users complain because PHP7 is not supported for 2.0, then, complain because team want to bring PHP7 to 2.0...
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: equinoxmatt on December 18, 2016, 04:04:40 PM
First users complain because PHP7 is not supported for 2.0, then, complain because team want to bring PHP7 to 2.0...

I am not complaining.  Just observing.

I *think* the vast majority would prefer the hours that went into making 2.0.x PHP 7 compatible,  would of been put towards 2.1.

When SMF keep saying they lack development time,  then surely it makes more sense to be most efficient with the time you do have.
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: d3vcho(); on December 18, 2016, 04:13:29 PM
I wouldn't like to start a discussion about PHP7 now that the problem is "solved"... I'll just leave you two disucussion topics regarding SMF 2.0 and PHP 7. Read them and you'll understand why the team decided to give SMF2.0 and PHP7 a bit of their development time. IMO, 2.1 is still the highest priority.

http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=540808.40
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=548881.60
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: equinoxmatt on December 18, 2016, 04:38:22 PM
Thanks for the links,  I hadn't seen those discussions. If it keeps some of the moaners away,  then maybe patching 2.0.x for PHP 7 is worth it.

I know this is a really broad question,  but after 2.1,  what is the plan?  3.0,  with a rewritten codebase?  Even if 2.1 is fully PHP 7 compatible,  whilst the code is relatively bug free,  it is extremely brittle and unfriendly for change.

That being said,  a rewrite is a huge, huge task and is unlikely given the current hurdle of getting 2.1 out the door.
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: byproduct on December 19, 2016, 12:43:54 PM
stop supporting 2.0

see what happens btwn now and 2.1. release


Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: vbgamer45 on December 19, 2016, 12:47:42 PM
Not a good idea 2.0 is the stable branch. Stopping support does not free up developers. The best way anyone can help is work on github if you want 2.1 faster.
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: byproduct on December 19, 2016, 12:55:00 PM
that was part of my point
2.0 & a promise is all smf has going for it right now

treat 2.0 like 1.0 ... and there is nothing

plus, look how 1.0 is hanging on

no reason to think just because 2.1 rolls out, that everyone is going to immediately be a convert


Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: Irisado on December 19, 2016, 01:55:02 PM
1.0 isn't hanging on, it disappeared years ago, so I assume you are referring to 1.1.
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: Joomlamz on December 19, 2016, 04:02:49 PM
Good. Thanks for the update!
Any News im here wait....
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: #jsDotx3 on December 19, 2016, 11:26:11 PM
If I wanted to help you adapt PHP version 7.x, is there no problem?. It is sad to see as the project is going. I would like to adjust myself.

Regards.
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: equinoxmatt on December 20, 2016, 04:33:36 AM
Is 2.0.13 going to be pre new year, or after?
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: Kindred on December 20, 2016, 09:34:53 AM
Now, you ask, when will all this happen. (shame on you for asking that! You know our mantra, by now!)  -- WHEN IT'S READY. :D   However, that ready will be "soon" (as opposed to "sometime") :)

:P
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: iaccountant on December 20, 2016, 10:41:30 AM
A big thank you to Suki, another big thank you to Kindred, and another big thank you to "The Team".

"Back when", when I was searching for open source forum software, I found SMF and was encouraged by what I saw, and the community that created and supported it, and all those who made me as a newby comfortable. Nothing has changed my mind since, and I have complete faith in where this is headed, whenever it gets here.

Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: equinoxmatt on December 20, 2016, 11:57:57 AM
Now, you ask, when will all this happen. (shame on you for asking that! You know our mantra, by now!)  -- WHEN IT'S READY. :D   However, that ready will be "soon" (as opposed to "sometime") :)

:P

I thought I would at least try and get an answer :)  I was just wondering if I could get the update done before I go away for xmas / new year.
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: Colin on December 20, 2016, 03:31:56 PM
We are shooting to get it out as soon as possible (and are very close) so hopefully!
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: Talpidae on December 22, 2016, 12:58:39 PM
Thanks for keeping us informed. :)
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: GSM-S on December 24, 2016, 10:24:48 AM
I'm glad to hear that smf is active and that php7 support is coming. I was getting worried since there was no news for a long time. Anyway, happy holidays! :)
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: balonfx on December 26, 2016, 09:22:30 PM
Looking forward to this release. Thanks guys, happy holidays.  8)
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: 4Kstore on December 27, 2016, 08:19:03 PM
Thanks for all you are been done (specially to suki)

This kind of topics are necessary. We, the users, like to be informed about the project oftenly.

Thanks for your hard work!

x2, I thinks is important keep us informed on the progress you're done
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: BryanD on December 28, 2016, 08:19:11 PM
Being PM, is not an easy role, it takes alot out of you emotionally and mentally and can effect everything in your life, maybe the role need to be looked at again and split into a 2 person role splitting the duties up slightly.  Ok I do not know the reason why Suki had to stand down, but just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: Masterd on December 29, 2016, 09:28:53 AM
It's nice to know that things are moving forward. I was getting worried.
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: Sandman1 on December 29, 2016, 11:31:41 AM
Sounds good.
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: ARG01 on December 29, 2016, 11:51:56 PM
I had my doubts and haven't been around for a few years, but it's good to see SMF moving forward. Good luck to those considered for new staff positions.  ;)
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: karlbenson on December 30, 2016, 02:32:22 PM
change can be scary, but often positive
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: sprak on January 05, 2017, 12:22:38 AM
-- 2.0.13 will be released shortly.
-- We are working on adding php7 and some other capability enhancements into the 2.0.x release line

Kindred,

I just upgraded to PHP7 and manually patched up 2.0.12 to work under PHP7. Would be happy to share my updates with you / the team if it would be helpful.
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: Kindred on January 05, 2017, 10:07:33 AM
thank you... we are already working on the php7 patch and, I believe, have it well underway.

However, if you like, you can make suggestions in the bug reports or feature requests board


I would suggest that what you did, however, may come back to bite you, since you may have to undo it all in order to upgrade to 2.0.13 and eventually to the official php7 patch in 2.0.14
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: sprak on January 05, 2017, 11:13:31 AM
I would suggest that what you did, however, may come back to bite you, since you may have to undo it all in order to upgrade to 2.0.13 and eventually to the official php7 patch in 2.0.14

Indeed; it was a known "risk" when I started patching it up. However, I needed a working forum now and patching didn't take much effort. Granted, I don't necessarily exercise every single feature in my daily use of the software, so there might be lingering "gotchas" not accounted for. Will be keeping an eye on my logs for awhile. Will be interesting to see how our two efforts line up or differ.  :)

Cheers.
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: sprak on January 05, 2017, 08:19:40 PM
I would suggest that what you did, however, may come back to bite you, since you may have to undo it all in order to upgrade to 2.0.13 and eventually to the official php7 patch in 2.0.14

Upgrade to 2.0.13 went successfully; none of the files in it conflicted with the ones I modified. Did uncover one other spot I needed to update for PHP7. Other than that, things look good so far. Looking forward to 2.0.14.
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: OCJ on January 10, 2017, 04:50:54 PM
I have to say its a more positive statement than, "it will be ready when its ready". Reapeating that for years wins no fans at all.
Even guess-timates like 75% ready.... 80% ready, 95%, 98% (without time) is better than nothing.

Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: d3vcho(); on January 11, 2017, 11:51:37 AM
I have to say its a more positive statement than, "it will be ready when its ready". Reapeating that for years wins no fans at all.
Even guess-timates like 75% ready.... 80% ready, 95%, 98% (without time) is better than nothing.



We don't even know that. We may encounter some new bugs while testing a new release that makes us decrease that number.
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: Arantor on January 11, 2017, 12:44:39 PM
Or add features this late in the day that require more testing.
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: Rock Lee on January 16, 2017, 03:09:41 PM
With the passage of time there are always changes for either bad or good, we hope those changes are very good and thank you for informing users.


Regards!

Sorry for my bad english
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: MobileCS on January 19, 2017, 11:34:12 AM
-- 2.0.13 will be released shortly.
-- We are working on adding php7 and some other capability enhancements into the 2.0.x release line

Kindred,

I just upgraded to PHP7 and manually patched up 2.0.12 to work under PHP7. Would be happy to share my updates with you / the team if it would be helpful.

Would you mind sharing it with me?

No one knows for sure when 2.0.14 will be released (I'm assuming they had some set backs again) and my new projects can't sit for much longer.
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: sǝๅqɯɐɥS on January 19, 2017, 01:07:26 PM
Quote from: MobileCS
Would you mind sharing it with me?

http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=3469
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: oOo--STAR--oOo on January 27, 2017, 04:13:12 PM
I do hope SMF gets itself sorted out and perhaps makes its decision making more transparent and democratic - to stop losing staff.
It is falling behind too much and failing dedicated volunteers.

The most popular portal and always in the top 4 of mods, may well be closing its doors next year because there is no demand... people are moving away from SMF and it is not attracting  people as it was before.
Another stalwart supporter of SMF with a portal has recently forked 2.1 and left in frustration.

I have been using SMF since 2010 when there was so  much optimism. I do not want to make these comments but what else can people do... the management system is not working and not fixing it will just continue to hold back SMF.
Spot on, more people need to stand up and say what is wrong.
I hope they sort it as well.

Kingdred PM LOL...............
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: shawnb61 on January 28, 2017, 02:16:59 AM
Spot on, more people need to stand up and say what is wrong.
I hope they sort it as well.

Kingdred PM LOL...............

SMF 2.0 is among the best out there.   Any review, even a current review, in this space has SMF in the top 3.  Often #1.  Even when up against paid products.  That's impressive.  This team is on top of any & all issues & has an excellent track record on the security front.  Slow and steady is, in fact, winning the race. 

SMF 2.1 is on the way.  It was ambitious & needs further TLC.  I admire the team for sticking to their mission & waiting until it is ready despite the pressures. 

If anyone needs standing up against it's the critics who fling these anonymous criticisms.  It places inappropriate pressure on a volunteer team that is basically working in a fishbowl for all to see.  That unnecessarily increases the frustration felt by team members. 

People fork.  That's the purpose of open source.  If someone has a better idea & goes for it - I think we would all agree that's a beautiful thing. 

All good PMs are cranky.  Get over it. 
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: Malamut on January 31, 2017, 08:21:01 AM
I'm waiting for 2.0.14 because now my forum is on old, broken hardware and I can't migrate it because of modern OSes support only PHP7)) And I have a small question: I've found SMF2.1 branch with bugtracker, milestones etc on https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1 (so as I see beta3 will be rather soon: https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/milestones  8) ) But where is bugtracker, code, milestones etc for 2.0.x?
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: Kindred on January 31, 2017, 08:25:54 AM
it is not public.

Also, any decent host will continue to support php5.6 for quite a while yet.
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: OCJ on February 11, 2017, 12:07:12 PM
Quote
    I have to say its a more positive statement than, "it will be ready when its ready". Reapeating that for years wins no fans at all.
    Even guess-timates like 75% ready.... 80% ready, 95%, 98% (without time) is better than nothing.



We don't even know that. We may encounter some new bugs while testing a new release that makes us decrease that number.

Just like software when it installs on a pc it shows time left, and sometimes that goes backwards (gets longer). That's not a problem I think as we can see it is getting closer on average.




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Or add features this late in the day that require more testing.

Seriously.... when Arantor is one of the people complaining about users moaning about more delays and saying there aren't enough resources.... then saying it could take longer if extra features are added at the last minute.

Is that really what everyone wants now? More delays while (the dwindling number of) devs left here, play around adding new features.
Well, I've seen ot all, but maybe not as this is SiMply F**ked.
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: Kindred on February 12, 2017, 09:30:18 AM
As has already been said.....  NO.   I am sorry it it offends your sensibilities, but SMF never has and will never announce release dates or estimates like that.
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: mj. on February 12, 2017, 06:37:28 PM
To comment on the post about forums not being what they used to be.  Forums haven't changed, behavior has.  I believe the day will come that people realize facebutt and the like are as childish as they really are.  An exchange of information more sophisticated than 'Yay' is what I desire.  If there's only ten people left in the world that feel the same way, that's where I will be.  Thanks for the info on the changes Kindred.
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: Steve on February 13, 2017, 06:53:59 AM
... the day will come that people realize facebutt and the like are as childish as they really are ...

I seriously doubt it. Too many of today's youth are brought up on it and know nothing else. It's their first online experience and that's what they'll stick with. It's only those of us who've experienced both farcebook and forums who understand how much of your privacy you're giving away these days.
Title: Re: SMF Team Changes and Upcoming Releases
Post by: mj. on February 13, 2017, 11:26:31 AM
I respect your opinion, but I see plenty of disenchantment with social media and their policies already, without even bringing privacy into the conversation.  But, this isn't really the place for this conversation so I'll zip it on this subject now.