[Radianation]

http://www.louipimps.com

It looks fine for me in firefox, but it looks really screwy in IE. Any ideas on why this doesn't look right? It should be using the same CSS as the SMF forum itself (which looks ok).

[Jerry]

font is too big in IE is all I can tell, would probably be better to use actual pixels in the stylesheet instead of x-small,small, etc.

[Radianation]

I'll try that, but why would it work for the rest of the forum and not in the initial page? Hmm I wonder if I just inserted the style references incorrectly. <checking>

[Jerry]

I don't know why it would make a difference truthfully. .. but I had the problem with my forums, the font looked fine in Firefox, but was huge in IE. Thats how I fixed it for me though, I assume its a similar problem. .

[[Unknown]]

Don't do that, the proper sizes make it accessable to more users.  You'd be surprised.

Anyway, all you have to do is add a proper doctype to the page.  View the forum's source to see it, it should be line #1.

As for your forum, you've got blank lines at the end of most of your template files.... hmm, that gives me an idea .

-[Unknown]

[Radianation]

Thanks man. What idea does it give you? =)

[Peter Duggan]

I don't know why it would make a difference truthfully. .. but I had the problem with my forums, the font looked fine in Firefox, but was huge in IE. Thats how I fixed it for me though, I assume its a similar problem. .

While I don't doubt that [Unknown]'s DOCTYPE solution will satisfy most users, I'd also suggest a look at Todd Fahrner's words of wisdom for the benefit of anyone who's still saddled with/concerned about older versions of IE:

http://www.alistapart.com/articles/sizematters/

The next big obstacle is reconciling WinIE4/5’s incorrect implementation of the keywords with the correct implementations of Netscape6+/Mozilla, Opera, and MacIE5/WinIE6 in “standards” mode. (Use complete, correct DOCTYPEs to switch these browsers to standards mode.)

Which might also remind someone who's likely to read this that I'm still hoping for an answer to a related question!

[Radianation]

Excellent link. Thank you very much

[[Unknown]]

The "doctype solution" I refer to only affects Internet Explorer 6.0.  Older browsers will not see large fonts; only 6.0.  If the doctype is corrected, the size of the fonts will be fine throughout.

In other words, the doctype not being the very first line, without proceeding whitespace, causes quirks mode.  My "solution" does not in any way contradict what was said in the link you posted.  What you're missing is that Internet Explorer 5 sees something different than Internet Explorer 6.  The article you linked to deals only with the case that you cannot cause the two browsers to see differing content.

SMF, you'll remember, generates all its output.  Even Internet Explorer 5 viewed output.  Also note that my "solution" only affects SMF - it would not fix things if you were using vanilla HTML viewed the same with both versions of IE.

My way uses no CSS hacks, which are arguably disgusting use of bugs in various implementations.  The way you refer to does.  They are not comparable, but that have the same end result.  My "solution" is only possible with very specific methodologies, meaning it's a lot more complicated, but it's all done for you by SMF.

As for your question, I don't remember one.  You simply said that a few things on this site changed size, which I know about but am not terribly worried about, because my main concern is the distribution, not wacko forum admins surfing with IE 4 (which are significantly less likely than wacko forum posters doing the same.)

-[Unknown]

[Peter Duggan]

Some misunderstanding here?

The "doctype solution" I refer to only affects Internet Explorer 6.0.  Older browsers will not see large fonts; only 6.0.  If the doctype is corrected, the size of the fonts will be fine throughout.

In other words, the doctype not being the very first line, without proceeding whitespace, causes quirks mode.  My "solution" does not in any way contradict what was said in the link you posted.  What you're missing is that Internet Explorer 5 sees something different than Internet Explorer 6.  The article you linked to deals only with the case that you cannot cause the two browsers to see differing content.

My post was intended to supplement yours 'for the benefit of anyone who's still saddled with/concerned about older versions of IE', not replace it.

SMF, you'll remember, generates all its output.  Even Internet Explorer 5 viewed output.  Also note that my "solution" only affects SMF - it would not fix things if you were using vanilla HTML viewed the same with both versions of IE.

Another reason why I posted that link (folk may be interested in SMF-independent solutions for older browsers).

My way uses no CSS hacks, which are arguably disgusting use of bugs in various implementations.  The way you refer to does.  They are not comparable, but that have the same end result.  My "solution" is only possible with very specific methodologies, meaning it's a lot more complicated, but it's all done for you by SMF.

Considering Todd Fahrner's roles on the W3C CSS Working Group and Web Standards Project's Steering Committee along with Zeldman's endorsement of the method (when he's also known for his commitment to standards), I find 'disgusting' an odd choice of word when 'pragmatic' seems both closer to the mark and fairer.

As for your question, I don't remember one.  You simply said that a few things on this site changed size, which I know about but am not terribly worried about, because my main concern is the distribution, not wacko forum admins surfing with IE 4 (which are significantly less likely than wacko forum posters doing the same.)

My question referred to pixel font sizes in the help files, why I used them and the possibility of trying Fahrner's method there because they're unaffected by fonts-compat.css.