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Statement regarding SOPA

Started by LiroyvH, January 05, 2012, 10:17:15 AM

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Jakob Fel

I actually believe I read about the bill that Fustrate is talking about, and I believe the goal was not trying to fight child pornography, I believe that people said their goal is protecting children FROM pornography in general. Either way, it's a bunch of crap, because even though I support protecting children from it, like you said, it would make the internet a very unsafe place.
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LiroyvH

Children have to be protected, top priority! But not with nonsense laws, no, that wont work indeed...
I think it's really disgusting to use try and push such bills over the back of abused children :/
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JBlaze

ISP's can't store credit card info if it's sent via https since that's the entire point of having secure connections.

Again, this just goes to prove our government is inept at learning teh interwebz. You want to protect children from pornography? Try going after the parents, not the messenger service.
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LiroyvH

Oh there are some ways to intercept SSL. The fact that it will be done at ISP level actually makes that quite a bit easier.
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trebul

I haven't really been keeping up with all the SOPA stuff but I didn't know godaddy supported that bill. If you don't mind me asking where did you guys switch to? I may also do the same.

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Arantor

It's not dead. It's merely been put back, it WILL come back in February, and again and again in different forms until the core problem is being attached, not the symptoms.

Right now, PCIPA is far more concerning (especially since as I understand it, SOPA and PIPA could be bolted into that legislation without a change)

SleePy

Yea PCIPA is a major worry.  To me it seems like all these bills just auto assume everyone is a criminal and that everyone should be snooped on.  Which to me says that the 5th amendment would be violated by those bills doing as such.
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sedgew1ck

It is the right time to defend ourselves against this, in case this law is approved most of us will be injured, there will no longer be freedom of expression, SOPA threats directly the internet in all senses, this is why we have to collaborate !

Thantos

Quote from: SleePy on January 23, 2012, 12:26:43 PM
Yea PCIPA is a major worry.  To me it seems like all these bills just auto assume everyone is a criminal and that everyone should be snooped on.  Which to me says that the 5th amendment would be violated by those bills doing as such.
It'd actually be a 4th amendment issue (protection against unwarranted searches and seizures).

LiroyvH

I found this quite an interesting read:
https://static.thepiratebay.org/legal/sopa.txt

Are there any sources for the Edison claims?
That would be classic.
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JBlaze

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SleePy

Quote from: Thantos on January 23, 2012, 12:44:06 PM
Quote from: SleePy on January 23, 2012, 12:26:43 PM
Yea PCIPA is a major worry.  To me it seems like all these bills just auto assume everyone is a criminal and that everyone should be snooped on.  Which to me says that the 5th amendment would be violated by those bills doing as such.
It'd actually be a 4th amendment issue (protection against unwarranted searches and seizures).

Well for SOPA that would be true.  I don't think that applies to PCIPA since you use your ISP services and they log it.  Just as you use the services here at simple machines and those are logged (just like anywhere).  SOPA would have trouble because the 5th is the right to due process and basically it ignores that right.
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Thantos

Quote from: SleePy on January 23, 2012, 01:11:31 PM
Quote from: Thantos on January 23, 2012, 12:44:06 PM
Quote from: SleePy on January 23, 2012, 12:26:43 PM
Yea PCIPA is a major worry.  To me it seems like all these bills just auto assume everyone is a criminal and that everyone should be snooped on.  Which to me says that the 5th amendment would be violated by those bills doing as such.
It'd actually be a 4th amendment issue (protection against unwarranted searches and seizures).

Well for SOPA that would be true.  I don't think that applies to PCIPA since you use your ISP services and they log it.  Just as you use the services here at simple machines and those are logged (just like anywhere).  SOPA would have trouble because the 5th is the right to due process and basically it ignores that right.
If you ISP is intercepting and recording your activities for use by the government it'd be a 4th amendment issue.  You haven't been compelled to make a statement nor have you been deprived anything so it wouldn't be a 5th amendment issue.

SOPA definitely had some 5th amendment issues.

ziycon


ziycon

Looks like Ireland is screwed, ACTA is meant to be passed tomorrow, with very little resistance so far. The rest of Europe will no doubt follow in our foot steps!

JBlaze

So this is how freedom dies...

It's amazing that the people that care don't matter, and the people who matter don't care.
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ziycon

Sorry, its actually today.
Quote from: Irishtimes.comIreland is today due to sign up to the controversial Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) along with other EU members, at a ceremony to take place in Tokyo, Japan.

Once the agreement is signed and the European Parliament has given its assent, the agreement can be ratified by the member states, including Ireland.

While the agreement's primary objective is to stop trade in counterfeit goods including internet bought medicines, it also includes provisions regarding copyright infringement.

This latter provision has caused controversy, with critics maintaining that the agreement will impact on the civil and digital rights of internet users.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0126/breaking3.html

Robert.

Damn bad news :( Does anyone know something about ACTA in Canada? I mean, I've read the Dutch parliament refuses to accept ACTA, but if it passes in Canada I still need to cancel my hosting account.

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