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Congratulations to the new SMF Theme. It looks much more modern than the old one.

But there are still some flaws in it.
e.g. (Avatar resizing problem, and wrong preview images in the theme selection screen)

(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/614/asdasdasfb9.png)

I think it is being worked on

Yeah, I noticed the preview images were wrong as well... I think it's being worked on at the moment.

Is this theme a SMF only theme, which jsut can be used on this website, or will the be a part of the default SMF distribution?

I'll save my comments until everything is done.

Congratulations
Very nice theme :)

Wow New theme is very beatiful :)

We are still working on getting the new theme live.  Please hold bug reports for now.  We'll be going through the site looking for problems.

I think that this new theme is pretty erm.. "ugly", compared to the previous one.

I really dont like this new theme.

QuoteI think that this new theme is pretty erm.. "ugly", compared to the previous one.

I really dont like this new theme.

what do you dislike especially?

I'd have to say this theme is like 4 steps backwards.  Very square and unmodern looking.  looks like vB ... and IMO thats a very very bad thing.  vB has always been quite ugly, again IMO.  Squared, hard edges are 'so 5 years ago'.  It's like booting up into windows ME after using windowsXP for years. 

There are other issues I see but I will hold commenting on them to see if there is still work being done and may yet be resolved.

Amazing. Great look! :)

I like the new design very much, it looks fresh. :)

Quote from: klumy on April 08, 2007, 09:53:35 AM
Is this theme a SMF only theme, which jsut can be used on this website, or will the be a part of the default SMF distribution?

Yeah! Like he said... will it be available to all?

...sure looks alot better than the old one. I like it!

I wouldnt mind getting rid of my custom theme that has me tired of editing for this new default theme.

Quote from: BlueDevil on April 08, 2007, 10:33:02 AM
Yeah! Like he said... will it be available to all?

I guess the new theme will be part of the next big version of SMF. :)

It's nice, but I'd have to agree that it's very square.

In my opinion, some of the colours are a bit light, but otherwise, a good theme :)

Quote from: BlueDevil on April 08, 2007, 10:33:02 AM

Quote from: klumy on April 08, 2007, 09:53:35 AM
Is this theme a SMF only theme, which jsut can be used on this website, or will the be a part of the default SMF distribution?

Yeah! Like he said... will it be available to all?

You'll have to wait and see  ;D

Just an update:  We are finding bugs and fixing them.  Very few actually have to do with the theme and instead have to do with the fact that we also upgraded the forum this morning.

Quote from: KesKin on April 08, 2007, 11:03:07 AM
Why My Avatar  Half  in new SMF Theme ??? ;D

+1 :D why ?

Oooo, this theme looks much better than the other :O

Quote from: KesKin on April 08, 2007, 11:03:07 AM
Where is  My Avatar  Half  in new SMF Theme ??? ;D

Well the reason is because the block that the avatar is shown is clips overflow ;)

Quote from: eldʌkaː on April 08, 2007, 10:48:50 AM
It's nice, but I'd have to agree that it's very square.

I agree. Make some rounded corners. :P

Google ads just don't work well in the these as it currently is.

I don't understand why locked topics are emphasised, both in font and in background. They distract the eye when vertically scanning the posts.

I must say I liked the previous one better. But probably this one is easier to customize and I think there are some major changes made in the templates....

Not too fond of the brown/organe fonts.
But overall I like it better then the old one.
Just need a bit to get used to it ;)
But good work! Looking forward to start using & customizing it!

Quote from: alienine on April 08, 2007, 11:25:12 AM
Google ads just don't work well in the these as it currently is.

I don't understand why locked topics are emphasised, both in font and in background. They distract the eye when vertically scanning the posts.

yeah I agree with you. The child forums are currently also in bold letters, which is a little bit inconvenient

I think it looks very good! The post/topics looks a little messed up though. I also like the new quote box

Quote from: alienine on April 08, 2007, 11:25:12 AM
I don't understand why locked topics are emphasised, both in font and in background. They distract the eye when vertically scanning the posts.

I agree with the locked topics not needing both.

Quote from: klumy on April 08, 2007, 11:37:41 AM
yeah I agree with you. The child forums are currently also in bold letters, which is a little bit inconvenient

That is a bug, I know it is!  Just can't seem to find out where it's happening.

İs İt Download ?

Quote from: CoreISP on April 08, 2007, 10:15:28 AM
I think that this new theme is pretty erm.. "ugly", compared to the previous one.

I really dont like this new theme.

/me agrees. At first I thought there was something wrong with styles or so. Maybe it is just getting used to though.

Looking great! :D You should create also new topic icons etc.

I think the sub-forums font size is way too little... I can hardy see them. >:(

Concerning the rest, I think it has some very good details, like the "comma" image in the quote window or the top drop-down menu, but in general I feel the previous theme was more "uniform" and intuitive... this theme feels a bit like several distinct components mixed together without a really good overall "harmony" :-\...

I think the old theme was dated, this is a big improvement and as far as I am concerned first class, don't mind the square corners and the avatars are on the left  :)

Just to give you all an update:  Some of the pages (for example the download page) still need some styling applied to them.  It'll probably be tomorrow before we get them looking really good — since a lot of the team are spending Easter with family.

This theme might be more modern but compared with the previous theme is ugly. And besides... it has a joomla-ish feeling.
And it's too much white!!!
I have the brightness of my monitor set to minimum, but when I open this website I get literally blinded.

Tip: Try collapsing categories. Try collapsing the last one too.

PS: On and off icons on the boards are too similar. It's very hard to distinguish which board has new posts. Eeek.

I had to switch back to the old theme in my profile. The new theme was truncating the text at the right side of my screen while reading posts. Using IE-6. Makes no difference whether small window, or max.

Rich

BTW thanks for all the replies.  Both good and bad, your comments do get read and do help us improve.

The on2.gif seems to not have been replaced yet as of this point in time, and seems to be the old one.  The on.gif and off.gif for new unread and no unread respectively seem to be in place.

Overall, and this is my personal opinion, i like the color scheme of the new theme, and such.  It seems a bit brash on the eyes due to the bright colors.  And it also seems very 'squareish'.  I like the dropdown menu. 

One other graphical thing, is when posting, the 'topic summary' that appears below the post box is left-justified instead of centered, like in previous iterations of most themes.

Overall, looks great. :) 

Quote from: eldʌkaː on April 08, 2007, 10:48:50 AM
It's nice, but I'd have to agree that it's very square.

Indeed. :(

Its awesome :D. It really is.

I really like this theme. Looks a lot more modern.

So far I like it, though I'll wait till you guys are done with it =D

I'll agree on the squareness thing. I have to say I'm in love with what phpBB have done to their site's theme.

One thing I guess I don't like is that the postbit area still has next to no organisation; the avatar and all the info just seem to look like they've been thrown over there. example (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=132638.msg887559#msg887559)  :P

Still, hoping this is included in the next SMF distro.

Quote from: HaminX on April 08, 2007, 02:02:32 PM
I had to switch back to the old theme in my profile. The new theme was truncating the text at the right side of my screen while reading posts. Using IE-6. Makes no difference whether small window, or max.

Rich

Just confirming this, also with IE6.

Another bug - bullet points no longer appear in my signature.

they appear to be there to me.

Looks awesome!

Thanks for your comments. Most of them the team has commented on the stuff you are noticing as well and this is the early stage of development for it. So your feedback is great to let us know how to change it.

In my opinion I think it is a little to much compacted. And a few things don't fit right in FireFox but that is a known bug.
This post box has gotten smaller while the post buttons gotten bigger  :P

It is being worked on. The great thing about putting a new theme up is all the helpful feedback that serves to improve things.

If you notice any other quirks, go ahead and post them please.

I don't know if this a real bug or not, but I noticed that the on the full page compose screen, the "Topic Summary" area isn't centered like it used to be.

I also think it's "too square".

If you are using Firefox this is known. Firefox isn't liking some of the CSS used and suggestions have already been made how to go about fixing it without to much changes.
If it isn't with Firefox let us know your browser. Things will appear different on different browsers so that input lets us know how to direct changes to work correctly for and hopefully not break other browsers.

Quote from: SleePy on April 08, 2007, 05:06:39 PM
If you are using Firefox this is known. Firefox isn't liking some of the CSS used and suggestions have already been made how to go about fixing it without to much changes.

Yep, it's with Firefox. Thanks. :)

Thumbs up from me.  I think it's an improvement from the past.  Not to knock on the older theme but it doesn't hurt to shake things up every several years.  This version looks more clean and organized to me than the past.

Great job!  Looking forward to seeing the tweaks/fixes.  :)

Here's a thing I don't like. The top info box is just too big and it's an utter waste of space if you look at what it shows. I use a 19"(home) and a 17"(work) monitors both at 1280x1024 resolution, and the forum "header" occupies almost half of my monitor when the top info box is expanded. Then it struck me the thought of how it could be on a smaller (the standard 1024x768) resolution. Well, I can say that it takes up more then a half of my monitor. On the main index I can barely see the first three boards. And that's with firefox being highly optimized for screen real-state. I have verything crammed up on one toolbar on the top of the window and on the bottom the tabbar and the statusbar.

If there is something I actually hate in a website is to have to scroll to actually see some content. For now I have that part shrink permanently because it's just so stupid to have it there wasting space. Please optimize it, compact it but do something. And who the heck cares what is my god damn IP, or when I visited last time, or how much I spent online? Is it really necessary to show it on every page?! Gosh, put it in the profile summary, if I want to know I'll go and check. So that "User" block sucks and is totally useless. It was before and it is now, only that now you added extra useless information.

The "News" block is plain boring. It almost never filled up with text so it's simply a waste of space.

And the "Search" box? You must be kidding me!! Half of the box is empty!! Blank. Void. Just one big blue nothing. I see one huge word saying "Search" with a text box below then a button that says "Search" then a magnifying glass? It's even clickable. That's a joke, right? You put it there for those who can't read?! I see "Search" written two times..., ok, ok I understood, what it does. It will search. Please remove that magnifying glass from there. It's ugly and it's offending. You can't even say that it's for accessibility purposes. It's 4 times smaller then the button, and those who can't read the text surely won't be able to distinguish it as a "magnifying glass".
Actually this part has the only aesthetical improvement on the site until now. The textbox blends quite nice in the background with it's dark outline, and it gets a nice orange outline highlighting it. That's in Firefox, because Internet Explorer puts a dark blue outline around the "Search" button when I enter the text box. Luckily for me I don't use IE.

As a last complaint about this section is that I see one huge blank space after the search block there is another empty block doing nothing. And between all this and the menu there is a 1+ cm horizontal empty blue space.

I make screenshots if you want. This thing is just terrible.

PS: please consider making the over size of the text one size smaller. Or give some option where I can choose mine. I have to shrink the text every time I open the site.

Another odd quirk i'm getting -- and this is just to report this -- Sometimes when i post it tells me that i've hit the post limit that i have to wait 10 seconds to post again..

Now, i know i post a lot, but not that fast :P, something is up with the timing script for this function.  I dont think this is a theme thing but it seems to have happened since the upgrade last night.

Other than that... i'm loving it :)

I noticed an oddity with with a function too - after my my first post to this thread, I clicked 'show new replies to your post', and said post and this thread were listed - I was still the last poster. Maybe the server had a fart, but I mention it just in case.

It looks pretty good.  I especially like the appearance of the lighter blue colors.  I might snag them and use them in my default theme.  The dark colors just kinda glum things down a bit so this is refreshing and upbeat.  Only major thing I have noticed as others are saying is the text seems to run under the right side and gets cut.

A small bug.

For some reason, in IE6, the arrow does not change when toggling the upshrinker. Hard refreshes didn't fix it either.

I just noticed this and havent seen it mentioned in this thread....

When you go to the index page, where the calendar is.  It says Calendar and then there is a giant gray area before all the birthdays are listed.

Did a grandparent create this?

The green-yellow text (which I think looks stupid) used in catbg areas is a little too large for my liking.

I don't care for the vivid "cyan (http://www.foxpup.com/printertest/Cyan.gif)" color used in some areas.

There's too much space below the SMF logo at the top of the screen. You should try shifting the menu to the left or something.

New post / no new post icons need work - newposts2.gif is non-existant. (or at least not updated)

I assume this change was the result of phpBB's recent entrance to the Web 2.0 world. ;)

Looks clean and crispy :) +1
but the "child" boards font is a bit too small to read.

I don't like it.
Thats my first impression when I entered the site and thought something new happened.
Well, my maybe I learn to like it tomorrow.
Make code not themes!  :-\
The orange headlines are very orange.

Ok, no problem, now I have to go to sleep, tomorrow it maybe looks better to me.

mfg

Quote from: Col on April 08, 2007, 07:31:17 PM
I noticed an oddity with with a function too - after my my first post to this thread, I clicked 'show new replies to your post', and said post and this thread were listed - I was still the last poster. Maybe the server had a fart, but I mention it just in case.

That problem I had too and I believe I posted about it in general support,
not sure if there was a fix for it or what the problem was,
because, tbh, I didnt check up on it anymore ;)

I like the new theme and look forward to its release!

I just want to say wow! I originally was going to give up but I came back after being bored with the other guys, and the new template hit me like a brick wall :)

Finally.... a theme that uses a purely CSS & Div / UL layout!!! Way to go SMF!!  If only I had enough time to work on my layout to work.

I think it's a good change.  The colors could use a little work.  The whole puke yellow on pretty sky blue doesn't look that good.  Maybe a dark-blue or navy or even a black would look better.  Perhaps a dark green even.

But looks good, can't wait to see the finished product.

Quote from: TheGamer on April 08, 2007, 08:11:39 PM
I assume this change was the result of phpBB's recent entrance to the Web 2.0 world. ;)

Nope, this had been in the works for some time before then. Some events pushed the introduction forward a bit as it was planned to be introduced after it had undergone a bit more testing.

Things are still being tweaked, and I'm sure some of the colors and such will be adjusted in the near future. Usability bugs first, then design issues is my preference, but I'm not in the group that works on the site itself.

the quote graphic is a nice thought ... but it look ridiculous without a closing quote to go with it

¿¿¿ ¿¿¿ ¿¿¿ ¿¿¿ ¿¿¿ İs İt Download ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

not yet

The "RSS" link at the bottom of every page, located below the copyright links to the page it's on.

Theres also one error in the validation for the theme

QuoteBelow are the results of checking this document for XML well-formedness and validity.

   1. Error Line 990 column 56: an attribute value literal can occur in an attribute specification list only after a VI delimiter.

         <div class="titlebg2" style="padding: 4px; float:"right" id="display_jump_to">&nbsp;</div>

      Have you forgotten the "equal" sign marking the separation between the attribute and its declared value? Typical syntax is attribute="value".

The child boards look wierd because they are <h5> with no styling attached.

PS: Digg it! http://digg.com/tech_news/SMF_Site_Gets_a_Redesign

Quote from: NEMINI on April 08, 2007, 10:11:00 PM
the quote graphic is a nice thought ... but it look ridiculous without a closing quote to go with it

I think it probably does have one but everybodies posts are snipped off. :( Lets see if they did anything special for coding tags, maybe a < ?php graphic or something...

akdlajdfaljfajfjf

EDIT:
Aw! Booooo. ;)

It is common to have an opening quote without a closing one when they are big like that. You don't really need a closing quote as it isn't actually quotation marks, it is just an image to show that there is a quote.

This is awesome! I hope to see it in a future release of SMF...

Because to have different default themes is not a very good idea.

QuoteThe green-yellow text (which I think looks stupid) used in catbg areas is a little too large for my liking.

I don't care for the vivid "cyan" color used in some areas.

I agree with that -  I personally don't like the colours chosen ;)

personally, I like this theme much more than the old default theme. Looking forward to this being released.  Im sure it will fun to customize.

The new theme looks very nice!

It would be nice if it were tableless and CSS/DIVs.  But I understand you folks are moving that direction.

Ok, I've tried to open SMF's website with both IE7 and FF2... now you can see what I was complaining about:

This is in Internet Explorer 7 - most things look ok, and the child-boards font is easy to read (maybe too big)
(http://i19.tinypic.com/30szm1e.gif)

And this is in Firefox Fox 2 - just look at the child-boards fontsize!! :-\ maybe in CSS you guys should use "px" instead of those "small, x-small" and so on.
(http://i11.tinypic.com/42kldo2.gif)

Thanks all for the comments/bug reports. We will be working through them all and trying to fix it all up - but this may take us a few days. In the mean time if anyone is having real trouble with the theme you can change to another theme from your profile.

QuoteAnd this is in Firefox Fox 2 - just look at the child-boards fontsize!!  

That's because the child boards are in a <h5> tag, which currently doesn't have any styles applied to it (so it's using the browser's default styling). We're working on fixing it :)

Quotemaybe in CSS you guys should use "px" instead of those "small, x-small" and so on.

As far as I know, using relative sizes (small, x-small, large, etc.) is better than using absolute sizes (numbers). I'm not quite sure why this is (I'll leave someone better at CSS than me to answer :D)

Daniel,

I believe the problem with using pixels is that the browser accessibility features won't work properly. Browsers tend to support text resizing (IE does so with the mouse wheel) for people with poor sight (etc). This will resize only text which is sized as a non-absolute (i.e. x-small is relational, 6px is absolute).

I may be wrong but it's a good guess anyway :D

(http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/3037/tema2es1.gif)

http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/3037/tema2es1.gif

Demo: http://www.forumavi.net/forum/index.php?theme=20

Username: test
Pass: test

Its indeed much better to use relational sizes, it will scale nicely for all types of resolutions and browser types. CSS is powerful..but as you see, also needs much more care to look right. The goal is remove all - or most of - all inline styles, making it possible to change the looks considerable from the the stylesheet alone. Plus of course using html tags for what they are meant for, going away from using tables for layout. If they are used, its because the data within is tabular - for example the messageIndex template(the topics overview) - and not to solve a layout problem. This process is a lengthy one, because forums are in nature full of data laid out tabular-like..unlike for example a normal webpage. So the key will be to use them when its appropriate.

So while the overall look is more less there, the html underneath is not. So expect changes as things progress. That includes tweaks to colors and layout as well.

Turklord - what a cheap rip. You weren't even given permission, were you now?

(btw I see searching for "easter egg" doesn't work anymore)

You can always use em.

QuoteI believe the problem with using pixels is that the browser accessibility features won't work properly. Browsers tend to support text resizing (IE does so with the mouse wheel) for people with poor sight (etc). This will resize only text which is sized as a non-absolute (i.e. x-small is relational, 6px is absolute).

I may be wrong but it's a good guess anyway

Yeah, I was guessing the same thing :D

My sentences and everything on the far right are getting snipped off.
Otherwise, I like the new look.

Quote from: Teaberry on April 09, 2007, 07:45:11 AM
My sentences and everything on the far right are getting snipped off.
Otherwise, I like the new look.

Yep, known bug with Internet Explorer 7 - It will be fixed soon :)

The fonts on the modifications section is still knackered for the worlds most popular browser IE7

(http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.5f1fadf505.jpg) (http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?5f1fadf505.jpg)

Quote from: Paracelsus on April 09, 2007, 05:26:02 AMmaybe in CSS you guys should use "px" instead of those "small, x-small" and so on.

I'll second that.  Those font sizes should definitely be done away with.

Quote from: groundup on April 09, 2007, 06:18:19 AMYou can always use em.

Definitely the best option :D

First, as far as font sizes goes, using points will allow the fonts to scale up as the user adjusts his font size.  I still see no reason for "small, x-small".

Possible bug:

When I was in "post" view to make a new post, I hit the "back" button on my browser (Firefox 2.0.2) and the browser got stuck in an "infinite loop" of sorts.  It was like it tried to go back but SMF would take it back to the post page every time it tried to go back.

Probably a javascript error.

Edit:  The bug is not easy to reproduce.

Edit 2:  I did reproduce the error.  (I didn't read this whole thread so forgive me if this has already been mentioned.  Just trying to help.)

Edit 3:  In reference to the above mentioned bug, Firebug returns the following error:


uncaught exception:   [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80040111 (NS_ERROR_NOT_AVAILABLE) [nsIDOMNSHTMLDocument.designMode]" nsresult: "0x80040111 (NS_ERROR_NOT_AVAILABLE)" location: "JS frame :: http://www.simplemachines.org/community/Themes/default/scripts/editor.js :: InitIframe :: line 246" data: no]


Another issue:  After I made a post I went back to my other open tab which contained the main index page for the forum.  All the links were dead.  I couldn't right click nor left click on them.  Not only that, but my browser also froze up resulting in me having to go into Task Manager to kill Firefox.

In my view:  the less Javascript the better.

Edit 4:  When clicking on the "reply" link at the bottom of the post, it shifts to the right and doesn't bring up the post screen until I move my cursor back over it and click it again.

Quote from: Defiant on April 09, 2007, 08:05:02 AM
The fonts on the modifications section is still knackered for the worlds most popular browser IE7

(http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.5f1fadf505.jpg) (http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?5f1fadf505.jpg)

The mod site and theme site haven't been updated yet.

Something more positive, I like the Reply/Notify etc menus. They look nice and work well.

i didnt try it
i'll do it and see

Bloc: http://24ways.org/2006/compose-to-a-vertical-rhythm

This should work in all browsers:

body {
font-size: 75%;
}
 
html>body {
font-size: 12px;
}
 
p {
line-height 1.5em;
}


Groundup,

The problem is accessibility with IE - it will not resize px values. In my opinion, that is correct way of handling px values, but IE is the only (main) browser that treats px as an absolute value.

Col: that will.

Althoug i liked overall theme! still SMF s lacking in graphics section compared to modern world. Still old fashioned post icons, really need huge development in themes section! Hopefully, i can see public beta version with nice default theme! Please :)

I can't believe you guys released this theme with so many bugs. ;)

Quote from: TheGamer on April 09, 2007, 11:48:11 AM
I can't believe you guys released this theme with so many bugs. ;)

There were certain extenuating circumstances. Please don't ask for more info on that.

I'll wait until you sort out this theme. It is so bad that I had to go back to the SMF Core theme when browsing the forum. Loosing all the integration stuff with the website.

Quote from: TheGamer on April 09, 2007, 11:48:11 AM
I can't believe you guys released this theme with so many bugs. ;)

If developers never released code until all the bugs were gone I don't think there would be a single piece of software in existence.  5-1/2 years after Microsoft released WinXP they are still fixing bugs!

Besides, putting this theme out live lets us users help find the bugs and other peculiarities.  We might find something the developers missed.  And if that's the case, then they can fix it before releasing it to the public.

Also:  To my knowledge IE does handle fonts in point values well.  12pt is aproximately 9px...or is it 10px?  Regardless, points are the best in my view and what I always use on my sites.  Ems? Pbbbt!  Does .75 ems look best or .74 ems?   ::)

It doesn't matter because if the presentational code is in the CSS it will be very easy to change to whatever we want for our individual installations.

motumbo: does 11pt look good or does 10.5?

Quote from: groundup on April 09, 2007, 12:27:35 PM
motumbo: does 11pt look good or does 10.5?

Is there such a thing as .5pt?  I've never tried it.  I just stick with whole numbers.  ;)

Yes there is. There are no partial pixels however.

BTW, point, em, and ex units vary depending on the display dpi and font. Macintosh uses a different dpi, so things will be smaller on them.

Also, using something like percents and ems means you are working off the default size in the browser, which could be 16pt or 14pt (or something else entirely).

And people wonder why some choose to stick to pixels for units....

I'm kind of surprised of some of the reactions about this theme. Put the bugs aside and I actually like this theme better than Core. But I am sure there is still a lot to come with this theme so that hopefully more people will start to like it. The new site theme looks great IMO. :)

Quote from: Motoko-chan on April 09, 2007, 11:58:01 AM
There were certain extenuating circumstances. Please don't ask for more info on that.

What are these extenuating curcumstances?  Could you give a bit more info? (http://www.forumaffiliates.net/Smileys/yellow/aaevil.gif)

But it definatly seems that there are a lot of mixed opinions about the new theme.
Some really like it, some think it's just plain ugly...

Quote from: Harro on April 09, 2007, 01:05:53 PM

Quote from: Motoko-chan on April 09, 2007, 11:58:01 AM
There were certain extenuating circumstances. Please don't ask for more info on that.

What are these extenuating curcumstances?  Could you give a bit more info? (http://www.forumaffiliates.net/Smileys/yellow/aaevil.gif)

Sorry, but no. If and when it is appropriate to do so, it will be shared.

Well I don't need to know I was just commenting that it wasn't like the SM.org team to release something like that.

No offence!! ;)

Quote from: groundup on April 09, 2007, 10:15:40 AM
Col: that will.

You mean that IE6 will resize text that uses px values with that CSS? Are you sure?

I'm not too keen on some of the colour combinations, and like Rudolf, I hope the header will undergo some drastic changes. I think it has potential though, and I very much look forward to follow its development. I'm also very glad you didn't wait until late RC to present it (like with Core), so there's plenty of time to work out bugs, and if needed, add functionality :)

very good theme - love it

definatelya great choice as default theme

Quote from: Col on April 09, 2007, 04:36:31 PM

Quote from: groundup on April 09, 2007, 10:15:40 AM
Col: that will.

You mean that IE6 will resize text that uses px values with that CSS? Are you sure?

Try this:

Quote from: groundup on April 09, 2007, 09:47:09 AM
Bloc: http://24ways.org/2006/compose-to-a-vertical-rhythm

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I've found a couple more small bugs in the new theme, so i thought i'd report them.  I am using FireFox 2.0.0.3

1.)  Collapsing/expanding the blog category causes it to disappear  When i collapse the blog category, it completely disappears. This is the ONLY category this happens with.  The others all collapse, however, theres a problem with their collapses as well.   And no -- if you look at my ignore boards options (which don't work as of yet anyways)  They are not ignored :P

2.) Collapsing displays short block It is styled, but not the correct width.  I'll attach a screenshot (note the lack of the blog category from being there, as well.)

Also, IMO, that puke green color in the catbg, should be made the gold-ish color thats in  the Posted by: area of the topic summary within the post form.  It'd look better IMO.

I really miss this part, for example:

Simple Machines Community Forum > Simple Machines > Site Comments > Topic: Comments on new SMF theme 

At the bottom of every post...
it now only lists this (as links as always), at the top...
which is quite annoying, as you have to scroll all the way back to the top if you want to change your current position on the boards, imho ;)


Yours,
- Liroy

Quote from: CoreISP on April 09, 2007, 06:53:31 PM
I really miss this part, for example:

Simple Machines Community Forum > Simple Machines > Site Comments > Topic: Comments on new SMF theme 

At the bottom of every post...
it now only lists this (as links as always), at the top...
which is quite annoying, as you have to scroll all the way back to the top if you want to change your current position on the boards, imho ;)


Yours,
- Liroy

I am pretty sure that that will be added back when the developers get a chance to do it, perhaps after they fix the initial flow of incoming bugs. ;)

Thanks for the comments everyone. :)

just an update on my previous post...

I found the blogs board..

it ended up ALL THE WAY at the bottom, below the bottom ad.

That is a known bug. Boards don't collapse correctly.

I noticed ;)

at least its known of and being corrected

Thanks SleePy

Well, I may not be known to much around here, but I do know a little about design.

My first thought when I saw the new theme was the advertisement at the top.  Any other place but there would look better.

I do like how you guys are trying to incorporate more CSS into the themes, which I really respect, and I'm sure I'll enjoy when the new code is released and I start skinning. :D So good job there.  Stuff like the user navigation. I do like it better than the old one; its not as cluttered, but the drop downs and everything are just so plain. I personally don't really think there even need to be drop downs; you can select that info when you are on the page.

One of the other big things I don't really care for are the big fonts. I think it looks 10 times better when I move the font size one size down with my mouse.

And like someone else said, maybe try to rid the user info center of all that extra space. Also, vertically aligning the post icons to the middle, I think, really helps even things out, especially on the boards with child boards.

Last thing I don't like are the old and new post icons. I mean no offense, but really, why? There little small icons, with a blurry logo inside.

One of the things I do like, is where the main link tree is. Its more contained now, and not just floating around like the old one. I also really like the option of viewing the new posts for just one category. Lastly, I like how there are not 2 border around everything. It really cleans everything up. :D Ermm. I also like that there are no icons in the copyright. To tell you the truth, I can't really find anything else I like.  :-\

Anyway. I can't really complain all that much, and I kind of feel bad for saying all that since you all do a great job developing the best forum software, and letting people use it for free. I'll use SMF no matter how it looks. Keep it up guys.  8)

Quote from: Gurnk on April 09, 2007, 09:27:22 PM
My first thought when I saw the new theme was the advertisement at the top.  Any other place but there would look better.

Not from somebody who's about to begin an ad campaign it isnt. ;)

I was wondering,
will SMF now release the _previous_ theme of this board to the public? :P
I would appreciate that more then having this theme released ;D

Quote from: CoreISP on April 09, 2007, 09:37:52 PM
I was wondering,
will SMF now release the _previous_ theme of this board to the public? :P
I would appreciate that more then having this theme released ;D

The NDT theme that was released with 1.1 was used here as well. It was just a slightly modified version of it.

great theme

Quote from: SleePy on April 09, 2007, 09:39:22 PM
The NDT theme that was released with 1.1 was used here as well. It was just a slightly modified version of it.

I meant the one that was here for aaaages,
I dont see it available for download anywhere?
Link?

link removed

I'd like to be able to use the menu with my keyboard, if that's possible.

Quote from: CoreISP on April 09, 2007, 09:57:26 PM

Quote from: SleePy on April 09, 2007, 09:39:22 PM
The NDT theme that was released with 1.1 was used here as well. It was just a slightly modified version of it.

I meant the one that was here for aaaages,
I dont see it available for download anywhere?
Link?

If you mean the really old site theme (the one used prior to NDT), that one was never made public, although I'm still not exactly sure of the reasons behind that.

The User News and Search boxes shouldn't really use <h2>s.

Looking at the W3C validator's outline looks funny:

• Simple Machines Community Forum
  
  • News
  • Search

The scroll bars on most posts are annoying.

thank you

QuoteLast thing I don't like are the old and new post icons. I mean no offense, but really, why? There little small icons, with a blurry logo inside.

Yeah, we know about that - They don't look too good at the moment. We're still working on them :)

I am missing some things n this theme!
1. News column
2. Sitemap in copyright divison
:( :( :(

Quote from: daniel15 on April 10, 2007, 02:20:00 AM

QuoteLast thing I don't like are the old and new post icons. I mean no offense, but really, why? There little small icons, with a blurry logo inside.

Yeah, we know about that - They don't look too good at the moment. We're still working on them :)

Does simplemachines.org own the copyright to the graphics on SMF forums or the person who actually develops them?  Can they be modified?

I was wondering because it would seem to me that if the Photoshop files (assuming that is the program used) were released that it would be easy for someone to change the color of the graphics to fit their theme.

Just wondering...

Wasn't too big a fan when I first saw it... but kinda growing on me. I always like the orange colour in websites.

A couple of things I would critique on it...

The very top links (Home Download Customize etc) don't quite fit in I think mainly because of the google ads... and the orage underline doesn't match up with the current page's underline.

With no quick search on the index, it would be nice that if you hovered over the SEARCH link a quick search box appeared underneath it, where you could enter text and press search, bringing you then to the results.

Also, I don't like the overline of the 'Mark ALL messages as read' link...

The SMF logo is a bit lost up there on its own top right... maybe enlarge it or bring it closer to the board?

And as mentioned I think the quote box should contain closing quotes. Just doesn't look right without them IMO!

Don't know if this is theme related (as I see the option in my profile) but my signature is distorted. I use some script to display random (differently sized) gif files... but they are always resized too small or too large!? Press refresh to see another one incorrectly...

As I said the new look is growing on me though...

Nice work guys.

I don't know if anyone already talk about this...

But compared smf with phpbb (everyone do it all the time), I think this new re-design was a big mistake compared directly with phpbb new site design...

btw, I think this theme is must better than the old one, that old rounded tab menu, is one of the ugly things I have seen in foruns theme designs...!

Sorry my poor english!

IS there a download for this theme in english. I downloaded this one but its in a different language?

There is no download for this theme AFAIK.

Just want to thank you guys for correcting that <h5> on the child-boards font issue ;D.

As for the theme, I have to say that although it was strange in the beginning, I'm starting to like it... I still feel that there are some elements which seem a bit lost "floating" around :P, and there are still some bugs that need to be corrected, but I'm starting to feel confortable with it.

P.S.: Please put back the forum path in the bottom like the one on the top. It's so much easier to click on it and not having to search in the list which forum should one click on or to scroll the whole page up to do it.

hello, anybody tell if its released already and can we upgrade ?

Quote from: davomex on April 10, 2007, 08:13:46 AM
hello, anybody tell if its released already and can we upgrade ?

Not released waiting till SMF 2.0 is released.

Quote from: motumbo on April 10, 2007, 05:58:34 AM
Does simplemachines.org own the copyright to the graphics on SMF forums or the person who actually develops them?&nbsp; Can they be modified?

I was wondering because it would seem to me that if the Photoshop files (assuming that is the program used) were released that it would be easy for someone to change the color of the graphics to fit their theme.

Just wondering...

I was think the very same thing a day or so ago - I'm glad that you raised this. Adjusting a layer in PS is pretty simple, even for a complete novice. However, creating completely new images can be complicated, and time consuming. I'm sure the if the psd files were released, people would also be far more willing to help others out with colour variations of a theme, as it would probably only take two ticks.

As its really in the midst of creation still, there will be no PSD files out before everything works as it should.

That applies ONLY if it was SMF default theme - which it isn't.

Quote from: Bloc on April 10, 2007, 01:24:15 PM
As its really in the midst of creation still, there will be no PSD files out before everything works as it should.

That applies ONLY if it was SMF default theme - which it isn't.

This new smf theme will be the new default theme our something near to the default?

Current "core" theme is the default theme, in 1.1 as in future versions. That hasn't changed.|

I was speaking in general terms, not just of this SMF theme. For those with limited abilities and/or resources, providing the PSD files would enable simple alternative colour schemes to be developed, that might better fit in with a website's overall design, but without having to to go the whole hog of a new theme being developed. Is SMF or the developers of these default themes really that in love with their own design that wont allow others to tweak them to better suit their sites? I don't need this myself now, but I'm sure it would have made a big difference to me a couple of years ago.

This theme would seem to simplify matters somewhat, now that images are not needed for the menus, but being able to just add an adjustment layer to gradients, rather than having to start from scratch, would help many. Actually, it would be nice to see developers of themes to at least consider releasing the psd files for others to play with (maybe some already do so - I don't know).

I do think doing away with images is a step in the right direction to allow people to individualise their forum without technological knowhow or required software - this makes sense to me.

I agree with the comments about the header area, it's a bit of a mess, but I understand that for whatever reason, SMF have decided to go ahead with a half-developed theme, and tweak it on a live forum. I'll wait to see what happens before making a final judgment about what I think of it.

Generally I think many designers like to keep their PSD files to themselves, and that isn't really a sign of "being difficult"- but a way to protect their creations. Too often rip-offs are being made, and many times its really hard work put into those files, often more than the html stuff actually.

I guess I can understand that in general terms, but in an open source environment? I'm wondering just how popular a good theme would become if it was easily tweaked to match an individual website! Yes, people should keep any notices that are required, and my guess is that most would honour such requests/requirements, but it might be the case that the developer's theme is hugely more popular by being easily tweaked. Isn't it just this type of thinking that open source models rely upon after all!? Of course such a decision is up to the developer, and I totally accept that, but I do wonder if it's the best position to take.

As for SMF itself, I find the past decisions to not release the psd files a bit strange, to say the least. I see releasing the files as fitting in completely with the open source ethic.

The images that phpBB uses are also not "Open source".
It's not allowed to use those images anywhere else.

May I note that this is also the policy with graphics from products released by the Mozilla Organization. The Firefox and Thunderbird logos are not only trademarked, they are not free to use and the artwork isn't available except flattened and rasterized (unless you know where to look).

However, there has been no decision made as to if this will be the new default theme for SMF 2, or if any kind of artwork will be given to allow people to make adjustments.

BTW, it isn't too difficult to re-draw the associated graphics. I've done it for the main parts of Core quite easily. The problem is getting the gradients exact, but if you are changing it anyway, being that perfect likely isn't a goal.

I know what you mean Col, we don't seem to be in an open world sadly, but that's ofcourse entirely up to the artist/organisation.

Of course I'm not not talking about the logo, but still, I fail to see what harm it would do. The main thing would be gradients and especially more complicated images. Of course the issue now is not so great since it looks as though the only images in the new theme will be gradients. Still, just adding an adjustment layer to an existing psd file would be easier.

If someone really wants to copy an image, they will just copy it, what's to be gained by not distributing the psd files? The only result of distributing the files (and the psd file to old themes) would be to make it easier for individuals to customize the look of their SMF template to match their site. Surely this is a plus; another reason to use SMF!

Since it will be so much easier, why not be proactive about this, and supply the gradients in a variety of shades so that people can mix and match to something that will be a better match for their site!? Many would like this kind of flexibility, I'm sure, but without the complication of applying a new theme to their forum. There are loads of people who use forums that cannot code (such as myself), or even have any real knowledge of HTML and CSS.

The easier to make the default theme look individual, the easier SMF will make it for those thinking of installing SMF that cannot code or write HTML.

As I said:

Quote from: Motoko-chan on April 10, 2007, 04:29:00 PM
However, there has been no decision made as to if this will be the new default theme for SMF 2, or if any kind of artwork will be given to allow people to make adjustments.

So, please have patience. Your input is appreciated, and certainly it will be considered. No decision has been made as of yet.

I'd like to see a CC-by licence used for the default theme. Might be a little more complex using two licences, but at least it wouldn't cause the current confusions, all distributed themes being illegal.

Quote from: Oldiesmann on April 09, 2007, 11:59:07 PM
If you mean the really old site theme (the one used prior to NDT), that one was never made public, although I'm still not exactly sure of the reasons behind that.

Well, really old... :P nah ;D
It always was still available... untill it suddenly got trashed a few days ago to make place for this theme, which I find pretty unfortunate as it was one of the best theme's imho :P

But yes, the white with grey thing,
it never got released,
but I was hoping it would be now this theme replaced it.

Although I agree that the navigation bar should be at the bottom, you can still use the jump to box.

Quote from: CoreISP on April 10, 2007, 06:57:36 PM
Well, really old... :P nah ;D
It always was still available... untill it suddenly got trashed a few days ago to make place for this theme, which I find pretty unfortunate as it was one of the best theme's imho :P

The default theme here previously is "Core" which is the default theme for the 1.1 series. The default theme for 1.0 is "Babylon" which is also included in 1.1.

Quote from: Motoko-chan on April 10, 2007, 09:17:01 PM

Quote from: CoreISP on April 10, 2007, 06:57:36 PM
Well, really old... :P nah ;D
It always was still available... untill it suddenly got trashed a few days ago to make place for this theme, which I find pretty unfortunate as it was one of the best theme's imho :P

The default theme here previously is "Core" which is the default theme for the 1.1 series. The default theme for 1.0 is "Babylon" which is also included in 1.1.

I think he means the old site theme... We used to be able to choose "Old Simple Machines site" in our profile here.

Quote from: Col on April 10, 2007, 09:55:02 AM
I was think the very same thing a day or so ago - I'm glad that you raised this. Adjusting a layer in PS is pretty simple, even for a complete novice. However, creating completely new images can be complicated, and time consuming.

You are correct.  I tried to create new images for my forum to match my theme and...let's just say they looked terrible.  So I use the standard SMF images with my theme.  The colors don't match at all.

I even experimented with modifying the colors of the SMF images.  Didn't work so good.  Not only that, but I wasn't sure what the legalities of that would be, so I didn't continue.

I'm no expert with photoshop, either.  I can adjust a background layer color, though.  ;)

I like the change to the head area...

But shouldn't the [More] change to [Less] after it's pressed?!

I still think the quick search isn't that quick if you have to click before you can access it...

Would be better.
But the header looks nice indeed :)

Really much better guys.  :D

This theme is starting to grow on me.  8) I think its because of the accessibility, and how its not so overcrowded with stuff like the old one.

Quote from: Cypher7 on April 11, 2007, 05:42:27 AM
But shouldn't the [More] change to [Less] after it's pressed?!

Already changed it.
That was quick :D

Quote from: Harro on April 11, 2007, 06:41:58 AM
Already changed it.
That was quick

On the ball ;)

Quote from: eldʌkaː on April 09, 2007, 09:02:31 AM
Something more positive, I like the Reply/Notify etc menus. They look nice and work well.

It took some time to get used to, but I agree :) It would be interesting to see how that looked on the Quote, etc. buttons as well, maybe with both an over- and underline...

Quote from: Motoko-chan on April 10, 2007, 09:17:01 PM
The default theme here previously is "Core" which is the default theme for the 1.1 series. The default theme for 1.0 is "Babylon" which is also included in 1.1.

Trust me,
the theme i'm talking about was never released with any standard SMF versions, lol.

It's like Daniel15 said,
I mean the SMF site theme that was used here,
it only recently got totally deleted... and it was never released to public as far as I know, and as far as oldiesmann also seemed to see :)

The original grey theme was called Simple and was only used here as others have said, never released.

Can't even remember that I ever saw it...

Quote from: Ben_S on April 11, 2007, 08:52:03 AM
The original grey theme was called Simple and was only used here as others have said, never released.

Yep,
and since it got trashed a few days back,
I was wondering if they want to release it ;)

As I recall the Simple team not being released because the images in it not being copyrighted by Lewis Media, but by someone else. As a result the theme couldn't be released due to legal terms.

I might be wrong, though.

The header is definitely looking better, but I think the expansion area would be improved if it was given a margin and all-round border, so that gradient from above carried on through to the menu bar.

I'm not sure that you need the 'advanced search' link in the expansion area.

I think a button instead of the [More]/[Less] text looks better. If you are going to use text, I think [expand]/[collapse] would be better, but these are judgment calls/personal preferences, I guess.

Instead of more/Less you should put the same icons you use for collapsing the categories and the info center on the bottom. For the sake of consistency. Once the people understand (read associate to something) the image they will know that there's something more if they click. Or less.

The header looks much much better. Compared to how it was at my latest rant. :D

PS:
If you do something with the on/off pics for the boards, and change some colors around I'm ready to switch back to this theme.
The on/off pics are easy to distinguish now, but I don't like the on pic, that burn, colorize or whatever is the name of the photoshop effect. It's ugly.

I don't like that brown-orange color, makes me thing of something brown-ish, on small text it's supportable but on large text it's just ugly on the lightblue background. I'd suggest you replace with the same red "simple" is written on the logo. Or a darker hue of that red.

PPS: Did some test and yeap, that red is just perfect IMO.

I think it's much better than before :)... fantastic job and tkx for taking into account our remarks... it makes us feel important (ego is a wonderful thing sometimes) 8) 8)

I have to agree again with Rudolf's comments. The header is looking much better already (although I don't know yet where I'd place the "Hello Username" and unread posts/replies since last visit links once it becomes time for me to customise it for my own forum). I also agree about the many orange/brown text/link shades. If one colour (the "Simple red" for example) had been used throughout, I think it would create much better harmony and a more consistent look.

Quote from: Col on April 11, 2007, 12:41:38 PMI'm not sure that you need the 'advanced search' link in the expansion area.

I think a button instead of the [More]/[Less] text looks better. If you are going to use text, I think [expand]/[collapse] would be better, but these are judgment calls/personal preferences, I guess.

Yeah, the advanced search link isn't really needed in my opinion either.

If that's removed, what about adding the search box to the menu bar/aligned to the far right of the menu bar?

I don't understand why everyone wants the old SimpleMachines theme to be released...

It is the SAME theme that is included with every release since 1.1 RC2.  The only difference was that it was wrapped in the site's layout using template layers.  That part of the design is property of simplemachines. 

Besides, why would you want your site to look EXACTLY like another site? It just doesn't make sense to me. 

If you would have read,
you would have noticed it's NOT included.

Quote from: metallica48423 on April 11, 2007, 03:17:46 PM
I don't understand why everyone wants the old SimpleMachines theme to be released...

It is the SAME theme that is included with every release since 1.1 RC2.  The only difference was that it was wrapped in the site's layout using template layers.  That part of the design is property of simplemachines. 

Besides, why would you want your site to look EXACTLY like another site? It just doesn't make sense to me. 

They're actually talking about an old theme used on this site for a long time that was never released to the public.

Ah, thats where it got mixed up.

My bad :)

Quote from: akabugeyes on April 11, 2007, 03:23:28 PM
They're actually talking about an old theme used on this site for a long time that was never released to the public.

This one.

ew, you guys like that theme?

Exactly,
that theme!

Yes I like it,
I think this one is very ugly compared to that one :P

Firstly, well done to all the SMF team for pressing on with version 2.0.

I won't say too much more about this new theme, as lots has already been said. Apart from the fact that orange links on a blue to grey faded background are... lets call it difficult to read. Otherwise, I will bite my tongue, as I am sure that the technology and features underneath SMF 2.0 are going to be brilliant. Themes are there to be customised anyway. :P

My main point is that there are many display issues that I think are specific to the Safari browser. I haven't got time to list them at the moment. I appreciate that this is probably a low priority, but if anyone is interested in a Safari bug report, let me know.

Quote from: groundup on April 11, 2007, 04:08:03 PM
ew, you guys like that theme?

Well it doesn't have any bugs to speak of. ;)

Quote from: groundup on April 11, 2007, 04:08:03 PM
ew, you guys like that theme?

I liked that one when it was used here ;)

I think it would look better if the search and news box was below the menu. The menu's border looks strange when put up against the dark background.
The Search box should always be present. You shouldn't have to manually make it visible.

I agree with whoever said it before, the locked topics are displayed badly. They should be less emphasised, not more!

has anyone said that, my reply button moves when I click it, and I have to click it again?

I keep my fonts big and fat too, with firefox at 15, in case that is why

nada

Mine does that too actually.

Quote from: groundup on April 11, 2007, 04:08:03 PM
ew, you guys like that theme?

Yup, I liked that theme a lot.  It's minimal without the big info center thingy at the top.

When I created my custom theme I did something similar to that, but with different colors.

Yeah, I too cut out most of the crap when I created my theme. Why on earth would anyone need to see their avatar in the header, for example? I thought it had probably been removed this from this theme, but just checked, and no, it's still there - a silly feature, along total time logged in (now removed, I see). As eldʌkaː mentioned, the search box should always be present, and I'd say the same about News. I ended up using the upshrinker in my theme for a shoutbox instead.

Quote from: eldʌkaː on April 11, 2007, 11:50:29 PMThe Search box should always be present. You shouldn't have to manually make it visible.

My sentiments exactly, although, as mentioned earlier, I would rather have put it to the right of the menu bar...

Quote from: Sverre on April 12, 2007, 10:56:42 AM
My sentiments exactly, although, as mentioned earlier, I would rather have put it to the right of the menu bar...

But that could become rather crowded with a lot of buttons and/or a low resolution monitor. I have mine to the right of my News, and they are always available.

Quote from: Col on April 12, 2007, 11:16:31 AM

Quote from: Sverre on April 12, 2007, 10:56:42 AM
My sentiments exactly, although, as mentioned earlier, I would rather have put it to the right of the menu bar...

But that could become rather crowded with a lot of buttons and/or a low resolution monitor. I have mine to the right of my News, and they are always available.

The menu bar overflows fairly well to a second line though (could probably be improved), so is that really a problem?

Quote from: Col on April 12, 2007, 10:29:49 AM
Why on earth would anyone need to see their avatar in the header, for example?

I actually quite like the feature. Probably just a personal preference.

Quote from: Aäron on April 12, 2007, 11:59:21 AM

Quote from: Col on April 12, 2007, 10:29:49 AM
Why on earth would anyone need to see their avatar in the header, for example?

I actually quite like the feature. Probably just a personal preference.

Yes, I can see that people would have different preferences, but since SMf always makes a virtue of core functionality, it strikes me as fluff.

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As a heads-up, New Replies to Your Posts is a complete mess in  IE6. It diplays fine in FF.

Someone loves Overflow too much.

On this site it might make sense t take out the "Simple Machines Community Forum", considering the logo is right above it. Then again I guess I am being picky. Otherwise growing to like it looks much better today then the first day. 

I like the new theme, I think it has a fresh look, also the square look is again very modern.

The posts are messing up... It goes blank after I post

I dont have that problem but had it before,
what browser do you use?

its not the browser -- its something in the coding of this version of SMF, its in the works, its just a small bug... unfortunately from what i'm told its a hard one to squish without knowing its exact cause :P

I use firefox but I have to reload my page after that :o

Quote from: Sverre on April 12, 2007, 10:56:42 AM

Quote from: eldʌkaː on April 11, 2007, 11:50:29 PMThe Search box should always be present. You shouldn't have to manually make it visible.

My sentiments exactly, although, as mentioned earlier, I would rather have put it to the right of the menu bar...

I disagree that the search box should always be visible.  Why?  Because most visitors won't use it.  So why should it be there taking up space and cluttering the look of the forum?  If someone wants to search they can go to the "search" link conveniently located on the menu bar.

The same goes for the login box.  If someone wants to login, they can click the login link on the menu bar.  I think it was version 1.0, not sure, but there were 4 places to login on the board index.  It was redundant as can be.  There was the login box at the top in the info center.  Then there were login boxes at the bottom of the forum.  Then there was the login link in the menu bar.  And there was another link where it said, "welcome guest, please register or login" (or whatever it said).  So there were actually 4 places to login, two sets of login/password boxes and two links to the login page.

I got rid of all of that except for the login link on the menu bar.

Less is better in my opinion.  Yours may differ.  ;)

Yeah, the post2 function always gets me. About 1 in 5-10 posts it goes blank. Also in sending PMs.

I also get

"The last posting from your IP was less than 10 seconds ago. Please try again later. "

VERY commonly when it is infact inaccurate.

What's happening to SMF? :P

Quote from: TheGamer on April 13, 2007, 08:12:00 PM
Yeah, the post2 function always gets me. About 1 in 5-10 posts it goes blank. Also in sending PMs.

I also get

"The last posting from your IP was less than 10 seconds ago. Please try again later. "

VERY commonly when it is infact inaccurate.

What's happening to SMF? :P

IM supposing there trying to fix it. It does say "Powered by SMF 2.0 Alpha"

The blank pages/download index.php issue is being worked on, but it is hard to reproduce. It looks like it is configuration-based too.

The "last posting" thing is a bug and the developers are working on it.

This is why we run the development edition here, it shakes out a lot of bugs so you don't run into them.

I like the new theme, colors are great. Not everyone thinks "rounded corners" are "it". It's hip to be square :D

Quote from: motumbo on April 13, 2007, 07:22:20 PMI disagree that the search box should always be visible.  Why?  Because most visitors won't use it.  So why should it be there taking up space and cluttering the look of the forum?  If someone wants to search they can go to the "search" link conveniently located on the menu bar.

People not searching is a problem we want to fix! The search bar should definitely be displayed, but really, it's not very big. I'd prefer to have the search box than my avatar there...

I just noticed the cool new quote tag system. Now you can't put words in others mouths and if the original post is edited then it will reflect the changes.

Nice!

What? Nothing has changed in the quotes except styles.

Peh, what was I thinking. All I saw when I went to quote your last post, Eldakar, was

[quote author=motumbo link=topic=163420.msg1051590#msg1051590 date=1176506540]

So I didn't see the actual quote still there. I thought that just that single quote code made it display that post - so, since I'm going crazy and apparently seeing/imagining things - consider this a feature request! ;)

Quote from: eldʌkaː on April 13, 2007, 10:36:43 PM

Quote from: motumbo on April 13, 2007, 07:22:20 PMI disagree that the search box should always be visible.  Why?  Because most visitors won't use it.  So why should it be there taking up space and cluttering the look of the forum?  If someone wants to search they can go to the "search" link conveniently located on the menu bar.

People not searching is a problem we want to fix! The search bar should definitely be displayed, but really, it's not very big. I'd prefer to have the search box than my avatar there...

INdeed search box should be a little bit bigger than current

i didn't like the place of Avatar. It must be changed and the square/rectangle look ;)

Quote from: motumbo on April 13, 2007, 07:22:20 PM

Quote from: Sverre on April 12, 2007, 10:56:42 AM

Quote from: eldʌkaː on April 11, 2007, 11:50:29 PMThe Search box should always be present. You shouldn't have to manually make it visible.

My sentiments exactly, although, as mentioned earlier, I would rather have put it to the right of the menu bar...

I disagree that the search box should always be visible.&nbsp; Why?&nbsp; Because most visitors won't use it.&nbsp; So why should it be there taking up space and cluttering the look of the forum?&nbsp; If someone wants to search they can go to the "search" link conveniently located on the menu bar.

The quick search is currently the only way to search a topic though, and unless you need advanced parameters, I also find it very convenient when searching in a specific board.

Indeed.
And like mentioned before: it's very important that it's always visible here because people should learn to search more before asking questions ;)

Quote from: Sverre on April 14, 2007, 08:34:13 AM
The quick search is currently the only way to search a topic though, and unless you need advanced parameters, I also find it very convenient when searching in a specific board.

Is the local search facility available to 1.1 (maybe as a mod), or is it only available with smf2?

Quote from: Col on April 14, 2007, 10:34:20 AM

Quote from: Sverre on April 14, 2007, 08:34:13 AM
The quick search is currently the only way to search a topic though, and unless you need advanced parameters, I also find it very convenient when searching in a specific board.

Is the local search facility available to 1.1 (maybe as a mod), or is it only available with smf2?

In SMF 1.1, if you use the search box at the top of the forum whilst viewing a topic, it searches that topic. Same for when you're in a specific board - It will search that board only.

Quote from: daniel15 on April 14, 2007, 10:39:14 AM

Quote from: Col on April 14, 2007, 10:34:20 AM

Quote from: Sverre on April 14, 2007, 08:34:13 AM
The quick search is currently the only way to search a topic though, and unless you need advanced parameters, I also find it very convenient when searching in a specific board.

Is the local search facility available to 1.1 (maybe as a mod), or is it only available with smf2?

In SMF 1.1, if you use the search box at the top of the forum whilst viewing a topic, it searches that topic. Same for when you're in a specific board - It will search that board only.

Hmmm. I had assumed that because it is only here where there is a dropdown box, the simple search just used all the words entered across the whole forum DB. I normally use the advanced search option instead, so didn't realise.

Thanks.

Quote from: alienine on April 08, 2007, 11:25:12 AM
I don't understand why locked topics are emphasised, both in font and in background. They distract the eye when vertically scanning the posts.

I'm not a fan of a different background colour for locked topics.

It draws too much attention among the normal topics, and locked sticky topics are usually just as important as the others. I like the idea of using a desaturated (dark grey) link colour for locked topics though.

Locked topics are usually done so for a reason. Therefore its logical to give it some importance. Italic style made it perhaps too much of that...but background-color change doesn't IMHO.

Quote from: Bloc on April 14, 2007, 06:20:40 PM
Locked topics are usually done so for a reason. Therefore its logical to give it some importance. Italic style made it perhaps too much of that...but background-color change doesn't IMHO.

Just one small note about background. Emphasised rows shouldn't use alternating background for the columns.
Look at the General English Support (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?board=9.0). There are fours different background colors and it's a total mess. From first look it's just impossible to understand what's connected to what. I spent years on this forum and I adapt very good to the changes, but this is just too much. Now locked topic became grey, which makes it even worst.

As a first thing you should remove the alternating from the columns for the emphasised rows. Whatever color you chose for sticky vs locked topics use it on the whole row.
Then you can see how to make it look better.

Quote from: Bloc on April 14, 2007, 06:20:40 PM
Locked topics are usually done so for a reason. Therefore its logical to give it some importance. Italic style made it perhaps too much of that...but background-color change doesn't IMHO.

I disagree with wanting to put emphasis on them. In my own observations, when a topic is locked, people want it to eventually go away. Topics they want to stay around are stickied.

Alright, I will try that.

It is so much better, also graying the locked topics makes them look perfect. It really gives the idea of something finished and/or inactive. I love it that way.

Now if only you could fade the icons too :P

Quote from: eldʌkaː on April 15, 2007, 07:32:35 AM
Now if only you could fade the icons too :P

Exactly, I thought about that but it seemed too much to ask.  :-\
You can give a transparency to the lock icon:

.lockicon
{
opacity:.35;
filter: alpha(opacity=35);
}

should work in most browsers.

This theme is AWESOME. It's alot better than the old one I think. And I think this should be the SMF Default theme for the next version of smf. What do you guys think? ;)

Quote from: Rudolf on April 15, 2007, 04:04:47 AM
It is so much better, also graying the locked topics makes them look perfect. It really gives the idea of something finished and/or inactive. I love it that way.

I am also very pleased with that look :) Getting better...

agree

It looks not so fine in Opera

Ehhhh I dont know..

I think they might make it the default, or at least include it as it is pretty cool

Yes. :)

I dont think they will make it as deafult everyone knows the normal theme as it right now

Quote from: daniel15 on April 08, 2007, 10:54:09 AM

Quote from: klumy on April 08, 2007, 09:53:35 AM
Is this theme a SMF only theme, which jsut can be used on this website, or will the be a part of the default SMF distribution?

You'll have to wait and see  ;D

Thats good news. :)

The new look is very nice and clean looking, great job to the designer  ;)

Quote from: EdwinK on April 08, 2007, 12:05:19 PM

Quote from: CoreISP on April 08, 2007, 10:15:28 AM
I think that this new theme is pretty erm.. "ugly", compared to the previous one.

I really dont like this new theme.

/me agrees. At first I thought there was something wrong with styles or so. Maybe it is just getting used to though.

Don't like it too. In my oppinion it looks like 2 themes build into 1. Don't like the strong blue in on.gif, dont like the + and - buttons when collapsing boards, don't like the phpBB colours (blue, orange)...

:(

Quote from: digger on April 15, 2007, 02:37:21 PM
It looks not so fine in Opera

What issues are you encountering in Opera? I use Opera, and it looks fine for me :)

Quote from: brianjw on April 15, 2007, 04:33:58 PM

Quote from: daniel15 on April 08, 2007, 10:54:09 AM

Quote from: klumy on April 08, 2007, 09:53:35 AM
Is this theme a SMF only theme, which jsut can be used on this website, or will the be a part of the default SMF distribution?

You'll have to wait and see  ;D

Thats good news. :)

I didn't promise anything... I'm actually not too sure what will happen ;). My suggestion is to wait and see what happens...

I like the theme but the area where the news can show [if you want]. It's kind of ugly :-\

Click on "Less" and it'll disappear ;)

You can never please everyone, the theme is more professional looking and thats certainly a good approach. I think it looks great, but for those that are not happy let them use lynx. ;)  8)

I think, Bloc has to put more efforts on images of theme! Still the old fashioned post images are lookin very bad! Hope he agrees with me

Why not make suggestions instead of saying 'Still the old fashioned post images are lookin very bad!'

Provide some ideas, get the creativity flowing.

Plus, people will actually respond to your posts with less angst if you give them the same.  Remember, you get what you give, and you give what you get.  You give negativity, thats what you will get back

Quote from: metallica48423 on April 17, 2007, 12:48:54 AM
Why not make suggestions instead of saying 'Still the old fashioned post images are lookin very bad!'

Provide some ideas, get the creativity flowing.

Better still, remember... This is open source and community driven by people who put their time and effort into it. Instead, why not crack open a handy-dandy image creation application and make new images, upload 'em, and give 'em to the community?

Is there any thread for posting errors and bugs experienced with the new theme here? I have some of them  :o

You could post them here (in this topic itself), although if you do that, there's a possibility that the developers will not see it. I'd suggest to make a new topic for your problems in the "Site Comments" board (same board as this topic) :)

Bug reports can be made to this topic (the devs are reading it) or to the topic over at the bug board: http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=165061.0

Ive about 4 pages of unread replies on this thread, so sorry if it's been mentioned already:

When you click to 'Show unread posts since last visit' or 'Show new replies to your posts', there is no option to mark them as read, which was in the previous theme and was quite handy!

We need more information about that Cypher.  Please join the discussioin over at http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=165618.0

bug report:

when I click reply, the reply button moves to the right, and then when I click it the second time, it executes.

I am using firefox with size 15 fonts

also
when posting a message when I click font size in the bbc code options and select something, nothing happens.  no code is inserted into the edit window.  same thng with  font face and change color


also, the little program I have to monitor web windows gives this error, often on this site



uncaught exception: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80040111 (NS_ERROR_NOT_AVAILABLE) [nsIDOMNSHTMLDocument.designMode]" nsresult: "0x80040111 (NS_ERROR_NOT_AVAILABLE)" location: "JS frame :: http://www.simplemachines.org/community/Themes/default/scripts/editor.js :: InitIframe :: line 246" data: no]



hope this helps debugging,
nada

@ladynada, I get that at college, whats your screen resolution?

Quote from: Trekkie101 on April 25, 2007, 01:36:53 PM
@ladynada, I get that at college, whats your screen resolution?

Hi,

my screen resolution is 1280 x 1024

windows xp

nada

Quote from: brianjw on April 16, 2007, 07:18:02 PM
I like the theme but the area where the news can show [if you want]. It's kind of ugly :-\

Perhaps the newsarea can be a little framed black board or something that stands out in a old shool way, or even better. Make a litte style for the newspart and people can style their own news areas to look the way that reflects on the content.

:)

I don't have a clue if its a good idea, but it is an idea ;)

/jon

i get the same issue as ladynada, with having to chase the reply button :p

I have another bugaboo..

I just went into my profile to edit my signature, and I can not.

it has a vertical scrollbar on the right side, and every time I click on it and draw it down to see the last line in my sig, it pops back up like it is possessed!  seriously.  I can not highlight the whole sig either...

I do not know why this happens. 

wait lemme try change my font size to 12

nope, same thing.

sorry to bear bad news,
nada

OK, the reply bug is getting annoying, indeed.

And ladynada - the signature problem has happened ever since on all SMF forums.

There are still too many tables in too many places. Firefox has a rendering issue because there's no width specified to anything in the bottom section and things get resized when you move something.

The only strange thing I have seen this far is how the reply button runs away from you, and you have to click it twice :P

Other than that, I have been loving this new version. I love how the menus are done now, and how the banner/news part looks. It's simple and good looking at the same time.

I think that this layout is definitely better than the old one 8)

love the new theme, way better than the old one

Quote from: Rudolf on April 26, 2007, 04:09:36 AM
There are still too many tables in too many places.

That's for sure.  There are five tables on the board index of this current theme. 

Somebody around here loves tables for presentation.  And I don't know why...   ::)  ::)  ::)

Otherwise, the new theme looks quite nice.

The reason there are still tables is that this isn't really a new theme. It has a new site and header layer, some different CSS, but mostly the same templates.

The templates are still being worked on.

Quote from: eldʌkaː on April 29, 2007, 12:13:25 AM
The reason there are still tables is that this isn't really a new theme. It has a new site and header layer, some different CSS, but mostly the same templates.

I think Bloc tried a tableless topic view, but that caused some very strange problems in Opera.

I did some quite complicated nesting of divs a while ago, and ran into all sorts of problems with Opera if I used z-indexing. I could make it work in Opera, but it would then fail in FF. If Bloc was using z-indexing to make it display correctly, he should instead try nesting the divs in a natural order (so that z-indexing is not needed) and use margins for any offset he might need. The results were pixel perfect for me. Try the link in my sig to my home page and look at the source code. There is no z-indexing involved in the menubar and the green blocks to the left.

The only problem I have had with the new theme is the new topic button and reply button. I couldn't see them when I tried to make a post. They were there, they were just a little hard to see.

No, I wasn't doing z-index in Display. But it was a first attempt that needs more work. Current Display is full of nested tables, so I am going for using lists much more than earlier, since they are slightly easier to control css-wise than floated divs.

I want a download to this theme! I want the turkish version like everyone else got

This theme is not available for outside use currently. It may be in the future.

But I got a download to it before... >_>

How could you get a download for a theme thats not only unfinished, but unreleased?  Theres been knockoffs of it but i think those got shot down fairly quickly.

I believe turk make one

Yes, and likely did so without the permission of the SMF team. 

I am not for sure but it may have been removed, as the user likely had no permission to reuse the graphics or code.  The only place i had seen it is in this topic.  Try looking through it.  Though keep in mind that this is not a SMF-sanctioned theme and you will likely not be able to get any support for it if it is even available for download..  I say use at your own risk, at this point :P

IMO at this point i would consider trying to use it theft, but that is me personally.

I believe it was removed by request.

OK I wont use it I want downloads from smf :)

The only real essential thing in coding is:

Coding that is not sloppy and that is easy to read.