Does anyone know if Bloc is still around?
His site was up now its gone again?
Thanks
no idea, only bloc knows!
Eh, give it time, he'll be back.
He is the most strange guy I have ever seen. Ever. I hope for him he is not mentally ill. Every six months he comes with a "new, great, smf related project" and after a few months he and his "projects" simply disappear...that's all.
Yikes, let's not jump to conclusions. We have no idea why he left. Maybe a family member passed or another drawing issue.
Quote from: Colin on March 15, 2013, 05:55:04 AM
Yikes, let's not jump to conclusions. We have no idea why he left. Maybe a family member passed or another drawing issue.
Track the last three years of his activity and you will see the same ******ing way....
Quote from: Colin on March 15, 2013, 05:55:04 AM
Yikes, let's not jump to conclusions. We have no idea why he left. Maybe a family member passed or another drawing issue.
Thanks for the concern, but its less dramatic than that I am afraid.
Quote from: Zeri YT! on March 15, 2013, 05:57:14 AM
Quote from: Colin on March 15, 2013, 05:55:04 AM
Yikes, let's not jump to conclusions. We have no idea why he left. Maybe a family member passed or another drawing issue.
Track the last three years of his activity and you will see the same ******ing way....
The reason its been back and forth are simply that I've tried numerous times to muster some outside interest in what I do, only to gain more spammers coming to the site instead(except for a couple of people, who faithfully stayed). Its said that time makes you put things in perspective, and so I did that and gained some incetive to try again. But this time I have finally put an end to that, "blocweb" is now forever gone.
As for "new,great smf project" I have never said such a thing, I have only aired my visions on how I felt MY site using SMF, should be, in the hope someone else also likes it. Personally I feel its actually most interesting direction SMF could take at all - but alas its a *personal* opinion. If you feel I "owe" the community to release whatever I was working on, then too bad: I don't.
"Mentally ill"? The majority of users that used that characterisation of my activity(and there have been a few) show more their habit of jumping to conclusions, than any insight into my psyche.
For what it's worth BlocBjoern (teehee) I actually learned a lot from you as far as theming goes and the experience with Tinyportal was awesome as well. Just do as you've always done and I'm pretty sure we'll hear from a somewhat SMF related project in the near future. You rock, dude! :)
Thanks, Itch :) that is really all one can ask for: to be of help and use to others.
In any case, it's good to know that you are well and still around. ;)
I suspect that a lot of the members who joined at around the time that I did would think of you as being THE SMF themer, Bjoern.
Personally, I regard it as a great loss to SMF that your themes are no longer available, especially Helios, for which I will forever be grateful for, especially the v2 version. I detest SMF v2 themes, other than that one and NightSky.
Helios will never, ever be surpassed, as far as I'm concerned.
Good to see you're OK bloc. ;)
Quote from: K@ on March 15, 2013, 01:30:42 PM
Personally, I regard it as a great loss to SMF that your themes are no longer available, especially Helios, for which I will forever be grateful for, especially the v2 version. I detest SMF v2 themes, other than that one and NightSky.
Helios will never, ever be surpassed, as far as I'm concerned.
They are available, or at least the free ones are. bloc let us add them to our downloads at http://www.tinyportal.net here to be precise http://www.tinyportal.net/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=cat87 ;)
Not so good for those that don't know about them, though. :(
Glad they're still available, somewhere. :)
most of the themes for 2.0 are what I call cookie cutter themes. they tend to look alike with little else but color differences. I like to be able to remove the header background image at times for our logo to appear nicer but that I found has given me problems, I assume I will need to take background image into photoshop to edit it out there.
I liked your themes in 1.1+ SMF so in my case YES you will be missed, take care of you and your family, which is #1 objective and if you should come up with some new themes then the world will be greatly appreciative...thanks for what you did.
Quote from: BjoernHK on March 15, 2013, 07:53:51 AM
Quote from: Colin on March 15, 2013, 05:55:04 AM
Yikes, let's not jump to conclusions. We have no idea why he left. Maybe a family member passed or another drawing issue.
Thanks for the concern, but its less dramatic than that I am afraid.
Quote from: Zeri YT! on March 15, 2013, 05:57:14 AM
Quote from: Colin on March 15, 2013, 05:55:04 AM
Yikes, let's not jump to conclusions. We have no idea why he left. Maybe a family member passed or another drawing issue.
Track the last three years of his activity and you will see the same ******ing way....
The reason its been back and forth are simply that I've tried numerous times to muster some outside interest in what I do, only to gain more spammers coming to the site instead(except for a couple of people, who faithfully stayed). Its said that time makes you put things in perspective, and so I did that and gained some incetive to try again. But this time I have finally put an end to that, "blocweb" is now forever gone.
As for "new,great smf project" I have never said such a thing, I have only aired my visions on how I felt MY site using SMF, should be, in the hope someone else also likes it. Personally I feel its actually most interesting direction SMF could take at all - but alas its a *personal* opinion. If you feel I "owe" the community to release whatever I was working on, then too bad: I don't.
"Mentally ill"? The majority of users that used that characterisation of my activity(and there have been a few) show more their habit of jumping to conclusions, than any insight into my psyche.
Hi bloc, thanks for replying back.
For selfish reasons I just wanted to see what was up. We love using your Helios multi theme since day 1 and your site was always fun to visit.
Thanks, that theme was the second I made actually, for SMF, quite some years ago. I am afraid I no longer have any major interest in making SMF themes. If anything I do like to tinker with themes based on the work I put into my fork project - but those won't work well on SMF. Besides, SMF 2.1 is moving further away from my style of theme coding than SMF 2.0 is, my preference for what a theme could do, and away from the design basework I prefer. Things like too much dependence on JQuery, further removal of elements that were inside themes before, and not enough focus on making unique themes - something I always strived to accomplish. Its basically getting harder to be creative IMHO.
So if I am to make more themes, I no longer want to yet again compromise, never fully realizing the potential inherit in the SMF theme engine as it is in SMF 2.0 currently(with finally, getting out of the mod/theme nightmare it was before, with mods using hooks instead). Its largely my reason for ever starting a fork(or two according to some :D ) in the first place. Its now up to the users and creators of SMF 2.1+ (or other forks), to create unique themes for those. Unless I have a direct hand in shaping those theme-wise(thereby allowing myself and others to be more creative further on), its a waste of time for my part.
Sorry if I sound like I am ranting. :) I am not, I hope, just explaining my thoughts in this.
Quote from: BjoernHK on March 17, 2013, 02:08:50 PMnot enough focus on making unique themes - something I always strived to accomplish. Its basically getting harder to be creative IMHO.
One reason why my forum's still v1.1.18, Bloc. ;)
Quite honestly, I see absolutely no reason why 2.0.x themes could not be as creative as 1.1.x themes. In fact, given the more flexible markup in 2.0.x, it should be easier to change than 1.1.x.
Quote from: Antechinus on March 17, 2013, 04:20:51 PM
Quite honestly, I see absolutely no reason why 2.0.x themes could not be as creative as 1.1.x themes. In fact, given the more flexible markup in 2.0.x, it should be easier to change than 1.1.x.
1.1.x gives more "built-in" layout options for customizing as far as graphics go. The same can be done with 2.0.x but not without a lot of custom code changes.
Can't think of any offhand. Got some examples?
ETA: TBH, having themed both 1.1.x and 2.0.x, I know which one I'd rather be working with if I wanted to get creative. 1.1.x templates are an absolute nightmare once you get into them.
I am thinking more of the areas that the main_block.png has taken the place of. Good examples would be the flexibility with graphics that we had with the old TP themes that we used to build for 1.1.x.
Ok, but main_block.png is only the most handy way of dealing with Curve itself when trying to support older browsers, which was a consideration during 2.0.x development.
You can't tell me........well ok, you can but.........................that the default theme relying on a particular image is a limitation for creative themers. :D
That's rather like saying that since the 1.1.x default had a particular image for catbg.gif, no custom theme can change how the presentation of header bars is handled. It would seem to be a very limited way of defining "creative".
If you're writing a custom theme, you're changing CSS anyway. The calling of main_block.png is only CSS, and pretty basic CSS at that. If you want to have a custom theme that doesn't use that image, simply call something else. I see no limitation.
As I stated: ;D
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The same can be done with 2.0.x but not without a lot of custom code changes.
Besides, I no longer use the main_block or menu_gfx images in my themes.
Yeah but it's only a bit of css.
Its been said before - but the CSS code in SMF 2.0 is absolute necessary for making the pages show up in a readable way.
In 1.1 themes you could get away with removing most styles since the markup relied on tables primary + it had fewer common classes. In SMF 2.0 there are a serious amount of styles that needs attention if you want to do anything other than just color changes, not to mention changing the markup.
That said, I prefer SMF 2.0. But its taken me quite some time to get acquainted enough wit it, to replace it fully. I can't see many others doing that, and thus its a less creative system than before. Its no good if only the devs can work with effortlessly. Maybe my own version is just as hard, but I do use more classes/grid system, which lend me the freedom the tables did in 1.1. If you look at http://www.bjornhkristiansen.com/index.php you see it in action - requiring no extra styles save some inline stuff on the frontpage.
But again, I don't want to try to make squares fit in round holes anymore..SMF should have had that versatility from the start since it has such a powerful theme system. But lets face it, SMF themes are *never* going to be as creative as blog themes, even if I personally think it should..heck, I KNOW it can. :P So what is the point trying to? People seem quite happy with Curve variation number 999 anyway.
Yeah I know. The problems are several IMO. One is the number of classes in 2.0.x. There are too many, and they are sometimes in conflict if you want to get creative. Part of this comes down to the amount of markup, which was a consequence of supporting prehistoric browsers. Some of it is just because the templating was a bit of a "horse designed by committee".
The main problem though is as you said: people are happy with not being creative.
Although the 1.1.x tables meant you needed less CSS, they also meant you had fewer options for being creative unless you entirely rebuilt the templates. That's possible, but is beyond a lot of people and can be, depending on the template in question, and absolute nightmare to figure out due to the number of nested tables.
I get the distinct impression that what many people mean by "creative theming" is changing the basic wrappers in a few places without touching any of the details. That's not my definition of the term.
ETA: The other point is that back in the days when 1.1.x themers were "being creative" they didn't care about breaking mod installation. If a mod didn't work, too bad. Do the changes manually. These days everyone seems to be freaked out at the idea that every mod might not install automatically, which does limit your options.
True, but unfortunelately neither Elkarte, SMF 2.1 or Wedge(the 3 most active afaik) makes that situation much better. In the little I have looked SMF 2.1/Elkarte doesn't change that much from SMF 2.0 but Wedge makes quite some changes, although not so much from a themers point of view, but more from the modders(though i know the devs will disagreed, neither of them have made any themes to speak of so its more an exercise in what they *think* will be helpful :P ).
Thats fine actually..but if those are all there are to choose from, then I'll stick with my own brew. Not because its necessary any "better" than the others mind you, but because its the result of working with tens of themes through the years. Its just works for me.
Fair enough.
I'd love access to bloc's old 1.x themes. I try looking for them on Google every now and again for inspiration ;)
I've got over 30 of them stashed on my pooter, from the old 1.1.x days. :D
Quote from: Antechinus on March 17, 2013, 09:34:29 PM
I've got over 30 of them stashed on my pooter, from the old 1.1.x days. :D
That's way more than I thought existed...
Bloc, please consider releasing them on Github or something.
Quote from: Liam_michael on March 17, 2013, 09:42:42 PM
Quote from: Antechinus on March 17, 2013, 09:34:29 PM
I've got over 30 of them stashed on my pooter, from the old 1.1.x days. :D
That's way more than I thought existed...
Bloc, please consider releasing them on Github or something.
I still have almost every SMF 1.1.x theme ever made. :D
Quote from: BjoernHK on March 17, 2013, 05:00:34 PMPeople seem quite happy with Curve variation number 999 anyway.
I, for one, am certainly not. Each time there was a new theme, I always took a look, just to see if anything "Wow!" turned-up. I haven't bothered to take even a peek, for ages, coz I got bored to death with the "Same old, same old" stuff turning-up. They're all so bland.
I almost prayed for a v2 version of TechHead to arrive.
I'd rather not put those on Github, but if you need any drop me an email and I'll send it over if you like, Liam.
Quote from: Antechinus on March 17, 2013, 08:53:54 PM
Fair enough.
It might seem I am being "difficult" here lmao, but its really what I landed on, after trying all the current scripts and seeing how those need so much work, for my stuff. I want to change so much, too much I fear...
Anyways...I am leaving the door open for future themes though. Particulary some recent redesigns of Facebook/Linkedin posted on Behance for example(as well as the fortcoming FB facelift itself) have spurred me to try out some "redesigns" of SMF. Maybe I'll post those eventually.
Quote from: K@ on March 18, 2013, 05:17:16 AM
Quote from: BjoernHK on March 17, 2013, 05:00:34 PMPeople seem quite happy with Curve variation number 999 anyway.
I, for one, am certainly not. Each time there was a new theme, I always took a look, just to see if anything "Wow!" turned-up. I haven't bothered to take even a peek, for ages, coz I got bored to death with the "Same old, same old" stuff turning-up. They're all so bland.
I almost prayed for a v2 version of TechHead to arrive.
Ah, TechHead..that was some years ago. :)
Just a few. ;)
That was entirely unique, that one. Rather like Helios, in that. I remember quite liking Cerberus, too, around the same time.
I was in a very "try everything" mood then I think, inspired by games etc, which had all these metallic surfaces. It was fun, and really no reason what it can't be used today too. The real lesson from those was how to make tiny image bits repeat in a good way, and still look like one image more or less. Using sprites was already then something I used, although I used PHP to repeat these image parts - saving bandwidth , true, - but hopelessly table-based. :D
So, as someone who knows little about such matters, what would it take to get TechHead to work with v2? Could it be, in effect, converted? Or, would it need rewriting from scratch?
Quote from: BjoernHK on March 18, 2013, 05:25:08 AMIt might seem I am being "difficult" here lmao, but its really what I landed on, after trying all the current scripts and seeing how those need so much work, for my stuff. I want to change so much, too much I fear...
Oh don't worry. I mean in case you hadn't noticed, I can occasionally be slightly difficult myself. :D
I also have my preferred way of writing templates and css, and it's a bit dfferent to yours. IIRC, last time we disagreed you were more into OOCSS than I was. I understand the attractions of it, but I can't get past the feeling that it's hardly different to inline CSS, because it requires declaring a lot of presentational classes in the markup.
IMO, that is much like having actual presentation in the markup, not only in conceptual terms but also in the amount of HTML you need to generate. It also makes for some rather convoluted CSS declarations. I'm not at all sure this is really the way to make things easier for people. Although some people rave about OOCSS, I have heard less favourable opinions, even from some who worked in the same teams as the originator of that style. Check reply #28 here (http://2002-2012.mattwilcox.net/archive/entry/id/1054/) for an example.
Quote from: K@ on March 18, 2013, 11:26:04 AM
So, as someone who knows little about such matters, what would it take to get TechHead to work with v2? Could it be, in effect, converted? Or, would it need rewriting from scratch?
Converting any 1.1.x theme to 2.0.x is basically a matter of writing it from scratch. TechHead should be fairly easy as such things go, from what I remember of that theme.
Not easy enough that I could even begin, of course. :(
You would need to be fairly solid as far as theming skills go. You could eventually do it if you weren't, but it probably wouldn't be much fun.
I wouldn't know where to even start with a v2 theme. I managed to cobble-together a few v1 themes. But, with v2, I'm not gonna even start, coz I find it far too confusing, being a non-coder. :(
With 1.1.x you don't have to use CSS to keep things together, because 1.1.x is all tables. With 2.0.x, you need to know how to use CSS for structural purposes. This is the same as any modern website/forum/blog coding. Table-based layout has gone the way of the dodo, for very good reasons.
There ya go. I know less about css than even do about tact and diplomacy. ;)
Quote from: Antechinus on March 18, 2013, 01:57:54 PM
Quote from: BjoernHK on March 18, 2013, 05:25:08 AMIt might seem I am being "difficult" here lmao, but its really what I landed on, after trying all the current scripts and seeing how those need so much work, for my stuff. I want to change so much, too much I fear...
Oh don't worry. I mean in case you hadn't noticed, I can occasionally be slightly difficult myself. :D
I also have my preferred way of writing templates and css, and it's a bit dfferent to yours. IIRC, last time we disagreed you were more into OOCSS than I was. I understand the attractions of it, but I can't get past the feeling that it's hardly different to inline CSS, because it requires declaring a lot of presentational classes in the markup.
IMO, that is much like having actual presentation in the markup, not only in conceptual terms but also in the amount of HTML you need to generate. It also makes for some rather convoluted CSS declarations. I'm not at all sure this is really the way to make things easier for people. Although some people rave about OOCSS, I have heard less favourable opinions, even from some who worked in the same teams as the originator of that style. Check reply #28 here (http://2002-2012.mattwilcox.net/archive/entry/id/1054/) for an example.
I guess thats true, I do favor using classes..not because its better(of course having a unique id for everything can let you detail-run every bit of the design and its what I would use if it were single pages) but because I find it easier. You spend a *lot* of time assembling each page in SMF using unique styles, whereas classes quickly makes it happen.
When i was into Wordpress templates a few months ago, I found just how *easy* they get got it lmao, just a 5-6 templates run everything, and its dead easy to change it quickly. That is..until I had changed that ghastly piece of coding they favor into the IMHO well-formed style of SMF. Actually writing and changing multiple templates in SMF is a big job..and I guess why very few does it.
So that leaves only..if so few are doing it, and the devs don't want to change it to something easier to handle(like getting rid of many subtemplates that are very similar) then the only option is to write a "base" of your own and work from there.
In an ideal world that sort of behavior, writing your own, should not have any impact on things, the theme engine would be possible to exchange entirely. Well, not to just about anything, the datasets the core presents dictates a lot..but enough to make themes be all they can be. It would not break things, since it will still just output whatever is presented, just decide itself HOW. Its largely unexplored area in SMF, and I fear will always be as long as the devs aren't into themes lmao. :)
Thank you :) PM sent!
ok, to others that might search: http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=470920.msg3513229#msg3513229
This Curve theme was probably the straw that broke the camels back when I left. I've had to mess with it a few times since and I don't like messing with it. What everyone sees in the browser looks fine, but the back end is a damn mess. By back end, I mean the html/css. It was becoming too much trouble for me to support my custom theme files with mods and what not, so I said f*** it and gave up *shrugs*.
Quote from: m3talc0re on March 25, 2013, 02:01:44 PM
....It was becoming too much trouble for me to support my custom theme files with mods and what not, so I said f*** it and gave up *shrugs*.
This is exactly why I state clearly that although I may be willing, I am not obligated to support any mod use with my custom themes. Many use outdated mods and expect the theme designer to fix things.
Sometimes I'll start feeling creative, and I wanna make stuff. Then I remember how much I don't like to mess with the new theme crap, and change my mind.
Bjoern I am still waiting on the refund for the upgrade services we agreed upon that you will not contact me back
Quote from: m3talc0re on March 25, 2013, 02:01:44 PM
This Curve theme was probably the straw that broke the camels back when I left. I've had to mess with it a few times since and I don't like messing with it. What everyone sees in the browser looks fine, but the back end is a damn mess. By back end, I mean the html/css. It was becoming too much trouble for me to support my custom theme files with mods and what not, so I said f*** it and gave up *shrugs*.
If you think the 1.1.x html is better than the 2.0.x html, I have to say that in my opinion you have a very strange definition of "better html". 1.1.x is a maze of nested tables and a total bastard to work with if you want to get creative.
Quote from: ARG on March 25, 2013, 02:46:44 PM
Quote from: m3talc0re on March 25, 2013, 02:01:44 PM
....It was becoming too much trouble for me to support my custom theme files with mods and what not, so I said f*** it and gave up *shrugs*.
This is exactly why I state clearly that although I may be willing, I am not obligated to support any mod use with my custom themes. Many use outdated mods and expect the theme designer to fix things.
+1
Quote from: Antechinus on March 28, 2013, 05:00:46 PM
Quote from: m3talc0re on March 25, 2013, 02:01:44 PM
This Curve theme was probably the straw that broke the camels back when I left. I've had to mess with it a few times since and I don't like messing with it. What everyone sees in the browser looks fine, but the back end is a damn mess. By back end, I mean the html/css. It was becoming too much trouble for me to support my custom theme files with mods and what not, so I said f*** it and gave up *shrugs*.
If you think the 1.1.x html is better than the 2.0.x html, I have to say that in my opinion you have a very strange definition of "better html". 1.1.x is a maze of nested tables and a total bastard to work with if you want to get creative.
True, while I do work slow, it has taken me quite a long time to alter (somewhat) my theme so that they are in divs as opposed to tables. Nothing against tables, but simply things, such as rounded edges are a bit*h to do.
QuoteNothing against tables, but simply things, such as rounded edges are a bit*h to do.
Because adding border-radius to a given td is so difficult? (Works fine for me, I use it regularly)
Quote from: Arantor on March 28, 2013, 06:03:07 PM
QuoteNothing against tables, but simply things, such as rounded edges are a bit*h to do.
Because adding border-radius to a given td is so difficult? (Works fine for me, I use it regularly)
Strange, because it has never worked for me. Will go back and check.
You have to style the tds or ths, not tr or table tags for it to work. But if you don't believe me I can readily get you screenshots showing that it works.
Bjoern I am still waiting on the refund for the upgrade services we agreed upon
Do not know what I need to do for you to contact me
DVDRangerForum, it's better to handle those things in private, via e-mail or PMs on this forum.
I believe DVDRangerForum has tried to contact Bloc privately too, to no avail.
Hey I've tried everything and to no luck , all email is ignored ,Private PM's nothing . It is a shame he builds some awesome themes .
It looks like I just got caught in one of his comings and goings and I am just out the cash XXX.XX real shame .
Quote from: Zeri YT! on March 15, 2013, 05:47:19 AM
He is the most strange guy I have ever seen. Ever. I hope for him he is not mentally ill. Every six months he comes with a "new, great, smf related project" and after a few months he and his "projects" simply disappear...that's all.
I would suggest you don't make personal comments like that. Bloc had and has contributed to SMF for many years and is responsible for a lot of things you see today.
QuoteI would suggest you don't make personal comments like that. Bloc had and has contributed to SMF for many years and is responsible for a lot of things you see today.
It's kind of true though. Every so often he appears, has moments of greatness, then disappears again taking it all with him and leaving anyone who spent money somewhat in the lurch. Then he reappears a bit later as though nothing's happened with a new idea.
I love his work My forum has run smoothly since 2009 on his design BUT when you put out xxx.00 and 4 months go by . At least I would refund the funds so I can arrange some one else to do my upgrade .
Like I said I have "NO" complaints about his work it awesome .But when you agree to do a service get paid in advance as agreed then never provide, HEY THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY.
My Forum Members contributed the funds when you spend a couple of hundred " would you not be concerned" It just leaves me with deep concerns at first if something had happen to him and his family , but then I see he was posting here and ignoring my communication ,
What would you think!!
I just hope he does communicates with me and refunds the funds so I can give them back to my forum members
Just out of curiosity... If I were to completely re-theme SMF 2.0, who would be interested? By that, I mean no packages would be compatible I don't think. I would redo pretty much all html/css. I've thought about it before, just because. Just wondering who else would be interested in such a thing...
My 2c: at this stage it'd be a waste of time. Better to put the energy into 2.1 markup/css once that is fairly stable. 2.0.x is full of all sorts of dinosaur stuff.
Anyone got a working copy up? What's changed? New theme?
Quote from: DVDRangerForum on April 05, 2013, 01:38:53 PM
My Forum Members contributed the funds when you spend a couple of hundred " would you not be concerned" It just leaves me with deep concerns at first if something had happen to him and his family , but then I see he was posting here and ignoring my communication ,
What would you think!!
Is that what I said. No normal people on earth would do things like Bloc does.
Quote from: redone on April 02, 2013, 08:03:54 PM
Bloc had and has contributed to SMF for many years and is responsible for a lot of things you see today.
And this gives him the right to be an as*hole?
Quote from: m3talc0re on April 10, 2013, 05:46:41 AM
Anyone got a working copy up? What's changed? New theme?
It's on GitHub. Grab it and play with it.
Quote from: m3talc0re on April 10, 2013, 05:46:41 AM
Anyone got a working copy up? What's changed? New theme?
wow your alive still, please tell me your gonna start theming again!!
>I always appreciate your work and I'm glad you're all right. ;D
I hope for some new interesting block project.
Quote from: Bloc on March 17, 2013, 05:47:15 PM
Wedge makes quite some changes, although not so much from a themers point of view, but more from the modders(though i know the devs will disagreed, neither of them have made any themes to speak of so its more an exercise in what they *think* will be helpful :P ).
I agree that we're limited in our scope, because we're not artists. However, I did spend six months in 2011, and several months in 2012 and 2013 just perfecting Wess, and I can say without a doubt that anyone who learns how to use it, will have a hard time going back to regular CSS. Also, the skeleton (and mini-skeleton) systems are much better suited for making small changes to the template, and there are tons of other tweaks that are here to simply make life less miserable for themers. Of course, as the author of Wess, it's in my interest (it's really just a matter of pride) that themers create skins instead of themes, but even then, new themes will benefit from Wess & my other tweaks, just like Weaving does.
PS: for those who don't follow wedge.org -- Weaving is the name of the default skin (and thus default theme) in Wedge, and Wess is the WEdge preproceSSor, very much inspired by SASS (and partly by LESS, too, back in its beginnigns), where you write less repetitive CSS and make use of extensions, mixins, color manipulation, dynamic functions, nesting, prefix-free CSS, variables, browser/login status/whatever testing, and on and on and on. I'm confident in saying, Wess has more features than either Sass or Less ;)
Sorry, I'm just rambling, as usual when it comes to my work!
I only just saw this thread and read it cover to cover. Always loved your themes Bloc, bought the premium ones and still use them today.
Pandora and Dartmoor will always be my faves.
I've thought about it Runic, but I don't like the default theme at all. I don't like messing with it in the slightest.
then mess with core :) you were back in the day an amazing designer, and I believe you still are! We need someone to show the current ones how to make a theme :D
Quote from: Runic on April 26, 2013, 09:43:35 PM
We need someone to show the current ones how to make a theme :D
You can say that again.
:)
Quote from: Old Fossil on April 26, 2013, 10:00:21 PM
Quote from: Runic on April 26, 2013, 09:43:35 PM
We need someone to show the current ones how to make a theme :D
You can say that again.
:)
Nothing has yet to meet the standards of the old TP themes. ;)
Quote from: ARG on April 26, 2013, 10:20:29 PM
Quote from: Old Fossil on April 26, 2013, 10:00:21 PM
Quote from: Runic on April 26, 2013, 09:43:35 PM
We need someone to show the current ones how to make a theme :D
You can say that again.
:)
Nothing has yet to meet the standards of the old TP themes. ;)
TP or not TP that's what the bathrooms for.
:-X
/me has just been watching Mel Blanc and Jack Benny on youtube
Quote from: m3talc0re on April 26, 2013, 09:40:12 PM
I've thought about it Runic, but I don't like the default theme at all. I don't like messing with it in the slightest.
Quite honestly, I can't stand messing with the 1.1.x default. The markup is absolutely horrible IMO.
Quote from: RustyBarnacle on April 25, 2013, 01:11:37 PM
I only just saw this thread and read it cover to cover. Always loved your themes Bloc, bought the premium ones and still use them today.
Pandora and Dartmoor will always be my faves.
Thank you. :) It spurred me to go over them today, and collect them all at one place(the screenshots that is). I wasn't aware it had turned over 100(prob. more like 110 since I did leave out a few), and I do see I didn't always "hit the mark" in relaying what was in my head at the time lmao. But, it was always fun making them.
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=502643.0
Bloc still waiting on my refund for service agreed upon not done. You post here but will not contact me on my refund of 200.00 for upgrade work.
Hey it is one thing to be great at your skill set but my interest our my forum members who put up the funds for you to do this agreed upon update from back in Dec 2012 ,which you set the fee.
Bloc You do killer work on these themes but sorry business practices " why do you take hard working peoples funds and not do the work"
If my posting here on this matter in public offends anyone my apologies " but this is theft of services " and 200.00 US bucks but it appears he does read this forum .
SMF my apologies on this issue being made public but when you have a person whom takes your funds and from reading other post he has done this before , and he posts here and does nothing.
ReadMeToo®
DVDRangerForum
Quote from: DVDRangerForum on April 27, 2013, 07:09:05 PM
Bloc still waiting on my refund for service agreed upon not done. You post here but will not contact me on my refund of 200.00 for upgrade work.
Hey it is one thing to be great at your skill set but my interest our my forum members who put up the funds for you to do this agreed upon update from back in Dec 2012 ,which you set the fee.
Bloc You do killer work on these themes but sorry business practices " why do you take hard working peoples funds and not do the work"
If my posting here on this matter in public offends anyone my apologies " but this is theft of services " and 200.00 US bucks but it appears he does read this forum .
SMF my apologies on this issue being made public but when you have a person whom takes your funds and from reading other post he has done this before , and he posts here and does nothing.
ReadMeToo®
DVDRangerForum
This issue is not new and you are not the only one!
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=436282.msg3321634#msg3321634
Yep,