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Simple Machines => News and Updates => Topic started by: David on August 02, 2003, 12:58:46 PM

Title: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: David on August 02, 2003, 12:58:46 PM
The Simple Machines team would like to welcome you to the new site promoting the free forum software SMF! Here you will find information on the forum software, be able to get free support, and chat with fellow users.

The Simple Machines team is a collection of smaller teams. These teams include the Project Managers, Developers, Support Specialists, and MOD developers. Each team includes a team leader in order to keep things organized and free flowing.

While the site is open, SMF is still nearing completion and running here as our community forums. This allows you, the user, to watch the software as it progresses and to offer feedback on this progress.

Please make yourself at home and join us in watching things unfold!
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Joshua Dickerson on August 02, 2003, 01:17:06 PM
Please report any/all bugs, notices, warnings etc. Thanks
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: David on August 02, 2003, 01:18:34 PM
Quote from: groundup on August 02, 2003, 01:17:06 PM
Please report any/all bugs, notices, warnings etc. Thanks
On this board.
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?board=19
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Overseer on August 02, 2003, 01:42:47 PM
woo finally allowed to spread word!  8)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Killer Possum on August 02, 2003, 01:44:04 PM
WOW!!! Sleek new look, I like the WinXP feel to it. Can't wait till it's publicly released!!! ;D 8)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: silverdragon on August 02, 2003, 01:46:32 PM
GASP!  Win XP?  WIN XP?

:::falls over dead:::

-SD
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Jeff Lewis on August 02, 2003, 01:47:17 PM
Hehe, if it makes you feel better, I don't think it looks XPish ;)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: [Unknown] on August 02, 2003, 01:49:44 PM
Quote from: silverdragon on August 02, 2003, 01:46:32 PM
GASP!  Win XP?  WIN XP?

:::falls over dead:::

-SD

ROTFL.  It looks great and it's inbetween OS X and Windows XP... and just plain looking good.  Mostly it just looks good.

Glad everyone likes it here ;D.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: charlottezweb on August 02, 2003, 01:50:30 PM
it's actually more imac-ish than xp-ish :)

Love the smilies too :)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: silverdragon on August 02, 2003, 01:51:33 PM
Yes, we were going for an 'Apple' look and feel :)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Overseer on August 02, 2003, 01:51:54 PM
 = simple ;)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: David on August 02, 2003, 01:55:58 PM
Quote from: silverdragon on August 02, 2003, 01:51:33 PM
Yes, we were going for an 'Apple' look and feel :)
You and your Macs.  ;D

/me types on his iBook
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: silverdragon on August 02, 2003, 02:49:30 PM
Hey, I can't help it if I have taste and class  :P
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: A.M.A on August 02, 2003, 03:06:16 PM
Great job  :) .. thanks to all who worked hard on this new forum (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/Themes/default/images/post/thumbup.gif)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: eFishie on August 02, 2003, 03:15:51 PM
I like it. It's a lot cooler than YaBB SE was.

And screw Windows, I like the Mac look!  ;D
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Killer Possum on August 02, 2003, 03:27:45 PM
Well let me clarify, the bubbley look of all the buttons is WinXPish, allthough the icons in the bubbley buttons (like the print button) looks Mac OSish ;)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: silverdragon on August 02, 2003, 04:13:30 PM
<lol> For the sake of my sanity, please don't compare it to Windows: Fisher Price Edition...  Er, I mean... Windows XP.

I really, really, really dislike the default look of XP.  Classic view is ok, but the Luna stuff... garbage.  Now that's just my opinion, I'm sure there are some people that like that look, but I personally don't.

Point is, the glass buttons are inspired by a combo of Aqua, my cell phone, and my favorite car.  Windows was never involved in the creation of any graphic I made.

I do appreciate the positive feedback though.  You're all so nice :)

-SD
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: eFishie on August 02, 2003, 04:30:45 PM
I hear Aqua's real good, never tried it though. Give me a year or so and I'll have a nice Mac all to my own. Damn, parents are SO unsupportive about these things...  :(
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: babylonking on August 02, 2003, 05:16:18 PM
Great job guys and i like the new site look. :)

Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: NV on August 02, 2003, 06:43:03 PM
Congratulations with the new product and website. It looks very nice indeed.

I really hope all effort and resources will be put into 1 product and this new product is not the result of "different visions" between the developers.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Omar Bazavilvazo on August 03, 2003, 03:20:58 AM
Quote from: NV on August 02, 2003, 06:43:03 PM
Congratulations with the new product and website. It looks very nice indeed.

I really hope all effort and resources will be put into 1 product and this new product is not the result of "different visions" between the developers.

All YaBBSE developers are here :)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Saleh on August 03, 2003, 05:43:11 AM
so then [Unknown] , what did you do for the attachment thingy ? do attachments have same name or not ?
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Grudge on August 03, 2003, 06:02:02 AM
Looks great, can't wait to try the new version when it gets released!

Hopefully this will be the change that takes this BB to the top :)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: krikkert on August 03, 2003, 06:16:58 AM
Really nice work on this, guys :)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: alienine on August 03, 2003, 06:28:04 AM
Well done! This place is great. Love the design... smileys are very very nice too... gonna have to work out how to replicate them  ;)

... oh and is it just me or am I the last person on the planet to find out about this...  >:( gotta start reading the news...  ;D

PS: I think the Charter Member thing is a great idea.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: krikkert on August 03, 2003, 06:30:54 AM
Quote from: alienine on August 03, 2003, 06:28:04 AM
Well done! This place is great. Love the design... smileys are very very nice too... gonna have to work out how to replicate them  ;)

... oh and is it just me or am I the last person on the planet to find out about this...  >:( gotta start reading the news...  ;D

PS: I think the Charter Member thing is a great idea.

Hmm, you can't be, you registered here before me ;D
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Juvenall Wilson on August 03, 2003, 06:36:43 AM
What's funny is I found this place a few days ago by pure stroke of luck..lol. I was helping my younger brother over ICQ on his project on simple machines. After a google search, I just tried the .com/.net/.org just out of habbit. I about wet myself when I saw what it was for..lmao. I wanted to register then, but didn't want to make any waves as the site wasn't public yet..lol ;D

(btw, the younger brother got an A on his project..lol)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: alienine on August 03, 2003, 06:48:59 AM
Quote from: Juvenall Wilson on August 03, 2003, 06:36:43 AM
What's funny is I found this place a few days ago by pure stroke of luck..lol. I was helping my younger brother over ICQ on his project on simple machines. After a google search, I just tried the .com/.net/.org just out of habbit. I about wet myself when I saw what it was for..lmao. I wanted to register then, but didn't want to make any waves as the site wasn't public yet..lol ;D

(btw, the younger brother got an A on his project..lol)

maybe it was destiny?! good old google.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Spaceman-Spiff on August 03, 2003, 01:47:18 PM
Quote from: Juvenall Wilson on August 03, 2003, 06:36:43 AM
What's funny is I found this place a few days ago by pure stroke of luck..lol. I was helping my younger brother over ICQ on his project on simple machines. After a google search, I just tried the .com/.net/.org just out of habbit. I about wet myself when I saw what it was for..lmao. I wanted to register then, but didn't want to make any waves as the site wasn't public yet..lol ;D

(btw, the younger brother got an A on his project..lol)

lol, what a coinsidence!
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: mephisto_kur on August 03, 2003, 03:21:57 PM
Quote from: silverdragon on August 02, 2003, 04:13:30 PM
<lol> For the sake of my sanity, please don't compare it to Windows: Fisher Price Edition...  Er, I mean... Windows XP.

And we all know how manly and adult MacOSX looks.....

<whistle..>  I mean really.  Of all the things for a *MAC* user to point at, I can't BELIEVE you just threw a "Fisher Price" in there.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Juvenall Wilson on August 03, 2003, 05:34:40 PM
Quote from: alienine on August 03, 2003, 06:48:59 AMmaybe it was destiny?! good old google.

lmao! Oh no googleing involved..heh. I just entered the address in the address bar and went to the .com/.net/.org just to see if anything would pop up. I do it with all my research projects (even if it's just for my 14 year old brother's science homework..lol).
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: silverdragon on August 03, 2003, 06:29:53 PM
Quote
<whistle..>  I mean really.  Of all the things for a *MAC* user to point at, I can't BELIEVE you just threw a "Fisher Price" in there.                                                
Ever actually used Mac OS X?  With the brushed metal, and 3D glow effects, it's not anything like Fisher Price ala XP, but more like swarovski crystal.

The grass green and royal blues are replaced with subtle blues and graphite grays.  No, Windows XP and Mac OS X are nothing alike other than MS failing to copy Aqua.

-SD

PS, MAC is for a Media Access Control address whereas Mac is for Macintosh.  Macintosh is not an acronym for anything.  Sorry, I don't normally correct people, but that one is a pet peeve.  
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: POPiworks on August 03, 2003, 08:08:42 PM
Looks great! Awaiting download and YABBSE converter.

Will it work in Frames?
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: [Unknown] on August 04, 2003, 02:17:56 AM
Quote from: POPiworks on August 03, 2003, 08:08:42 PM
Looks great! Awaiting download and YABBSE converter.

Will it work in Frames?

I tested it and ran into no problems.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Behr on August 04, 2003, 04:35:26 AM
Quote from: [Unknown] on August 04, 2003, 02:17:56 AM
Quote from: POPiworks on August 03, 2003, 08:08:42 PM
Looks great! Awaiting download and YABBSE converter.

Will it work in Frames?

I tested it and ran into no problems.

-[Unknown]

I wud like to do a little testing of my own soon  ;)

-Behr
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: cleandude on August 04, 2003, 08:03:43 AM
its looking realy good !, i like it alot, alot cleaner and smoother ! :) 8)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Mario472 on August 04, 2003, 08:08:30 AM
'smoother' - This was the word I was looking for...  ;)

Looks really great. SMF has a new Fan which patiently waits for the first release.

I'm using YaBB SE since 1.0.0 and now it's time to say Thank you and go on to the Dev-Team: THANK YOU and GO ON!  ;)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: mephisto_kur on August 04, 2003, 01:28:03 PM
Quote from: silverdragon on August 03, 2003, 06:29:53 PM
Quote
<whistle..>  I mean really.  Of all the things for a *MAC* user to point at, I can't BELIEVE you just threw a "Fisher Price" in there.                                                
Ever actually used Mac OS X?  With the brushed metal, and 3D glow effects, it's not anything like Fisher Price ala XP, but more like swarovski crystal.

Yup, and it looks "Fisher Price." I guess its all a matter of opinion, except for a zealot.

Quote
The grass green and royal blues are replaced with subtle blues and graphite grays.  No, Windows XP and Mac OS X are nothing alike other than MS failing to copy Aqua.

Hmm, interesting, but I see that XP looks absolutely nothing like Aqua - except that they rounded things in some places.  I see no shiny beads and baubles like I would see on a MacOSX machine.

Quote
PS, MAC is for a Media Access Control address whereas Mac is for Macintosh.  Macintosh is not an acronym for anything.  Sorry, I don't normally correct people, but that one is a pet peeve.  

Hey, we all have our hang-ups.  I suppose when I capitalized "BELIEVE" like I did that there may be an acronym you could throw back at me for it.  Of course, since I am now not allowed to capitalise "MAC" for emphasis when I know you will read it... Well, I guess I'll have to go back to bold tags and plenty of asterisks.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: smacktalk on August 05, 2003, 03:52:50 AM
Glad to be here. Ive been around since YABB.pl and have enjoyed growing with you all. Keep up the great work and I look forward to "Taking the Next Step!!".
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: alienine on August 05, 2003, 08:54:32 AM
is it just me or is half this forum infatuated with Bruce Willis?
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Overseer on August 05, 2003, 09:11:21 AM
it's just u. (again  :P)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: mattsiegman on August 05, 2003, 04:50:54 PM
you should get some more avatars on the board, the only good one is bruce :)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Acf on August 05, 2003, 04:53:13 PM
Quote from: mattsiegman on August 05, 2003, 04:50:54 PM
you should get some more avatars on the board, the only good one is bruce :)

create your own ;) / avatar gallery
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: mattsiegman on August 05, 2003, 05:21:29 PM
I'm just lazy :P
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Acf on August 05, 2003, 05:36:00 PM
Quote from: mattsiegman on August 05, 2003, 05:21:29 PM
I'm just lazy :P

Zzzz sleep smillie :P
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Doug on August 05, 2003, 05:55:52 PM
Will this work with PfaBB?....I'm running PfaBB and 1.5.4 SE

Thanks,

Doug


http://linksjournal.com
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: CrazyC on August 05, 2003, 06:15:52 PM
Quote from: linksjournal on August 05, 2003, 05:55:52 PM
Will this work with PfaBB?....I'm running PfaBB and 1.5.4 SE

Thanks,

Doug


http://linksjournal.com
That question has been answered on the PfaBB site.  After SMF's release, there will e a new version of the portal to work with it.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Owdy on August 06, 2003, 07:03:43 PM
Looks good. Nice job! Just waitin that upgrade package.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: MuddHarryS on August 06, 2003, 09:31:32 PM
I have been looking all over... what is the target release date?

I am a phpBB user and I will need to be able to convert from phpBB2.0.5 if that is possible.

Thanks.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: [Unknown] on August 06, 2003, 10:00:11 PM
Yes, a converter is planned ;).

The release date hasn't been set yet...

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Dolphi on August 11, 2003, 06:22:38 PM
Good work guys, looks good.

But... one big thing, maybe it's very personal, but I don't like the very big avatars some people use. I know you can limit it's size (in YaBB SE) but it looks very messy.

But I'm very interested in having the first release, to test it!
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: [Unknown] on August 11, 2003, 06:39:16 PM
Quote from: Dolphi on August 11, 2003, 06:22:38 PM
Good work guys, looks good.

But... one big thing, maybe it's very personal, but I don't like the very big avatars some people use. I know you can limit it's size (in YaBB SE) but it looks very messy.

But I'm very interested in having the first release, to test it!

The Avatar system has been, and is currently, undergoing a large amount of revision.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: mattsiegman on August 11, 2003, 07:01:24 PM
I like my tall avatar :)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: eFishie on August 11, 2003, 07:57:54 PM
Big Avatars = Yuck

Tall Avatars = Yuck
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: maxw on August 12, 2003, 07:40:59 AM
Wow, it's so different from Yabb SE, it looks basically exactly the same as Yabb SE with same features from what i can see.

Also, what is with Simple Machines?  :-\ ...weird name i must say.

Overall, i dont see the reason for a whole new forum when it looks the same, and has same features.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Overseer on August 12, 2003, 07:56:42 AM
^ Someone needs to do some more reading ;)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: andrea on August 12, 2003, 08:06:49 AM
Quote from: maxw on August 12, 2003, 07:40:59 AM
Wow, it's so different from Yabb SE, it looks basically exactly the same as Yabb SE with same features from what i can see.

Also, what is with Simple Machines?  :-\ ...weird name i must say.

Overall, i dont see the reason for a whole new forum when it looks the same, and has same features.

Exactly. As Overseer wrote: read first before you spam ahm post.

The layout and the sources have changed a lot. I think this can easily be seen by anybody who is a little interested in the forum program...
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: maxw on August 12, 2003, 08:19:35 AM
I did not spam. I am not going to read everything, im just posting my opinion. You're just annoyed coz i don't particulary like the new forum.

Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: andrea on August 12, 2003, 08:27:07 AM
Quote from: maxw on August 12, 2003, 08:19:35 AM
I did not spam. I am not going to read everything, im just posting my opinion. You're just annoyed coz i don't particulary like the new forum.

How can you have an opinion if you dont read? Nope I was annoyed because you write a negative comment without reading first and then ad your services. Looked for me ...
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Joseph on August 12, 2003, 08:28:13 AM
Quote from: maxw on August 12, 2003, 08:19:35 AM
I did not spam. I am not going to read everything, im just posting my opinion. You're just annoyed coz i don't particulary like the new forum.


no, she's annoyed because one of your first posts was an advertisement for your hosting services :)

Don't worry about it though - everyone's free to ahve their own opinino about the software.

Also, keep in mind that what you're seeing isn't nearly all of what's in store.  We opened things up early so you could see the growth :)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: maxw on August 12, 2003, 08:32:38 AM
Um, she's annoyed because i posted about something, that you have a forum specifically for? Fair enough.............

Also, i don't dislike the look of this, i just think it looks the same as Yabb SE.

Oh, and Andrea, i read the first post of this topic, and what exactly does it say that i need to know? I saw nothing important.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: David on August 12, 2003, 08:46:11 AM
When you see the code you will understand just what is different.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Joseph on August 12, 2003, 08:54:18 AM
Quote from: maxw on August 12, 2003, 08:32:38 AM
Um, she's annoyed because i posted about something, that you have a forum specifically for? Fair enough.............
Well, it's not that - it's more that it always looks suspicious when someone's first post is an ad.  We have a lot of people who come to the forums just to advertise their services - then they don't do anything else.  We try to foster more of a community environment here - and you seem to be making use of that :) Welcome!

QuoteAlso, i don't dislike the look of this, i just think it looks the same as Yabb SE. Oh, and Andrea, i read the first post of this topic, and what exactly does it say that i need to know? I saw nothing important.

As David said, there's a lot of new stuff under the hood - and in the next few weeks we'll be also opening up to the community a few of the special new features.  But for the time being - it is pretty similar to YaBB SE.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: andrea on August 12, 2003, 09:00:00 AM
Quote from: Joseph Fung on August 12, 2003, 08:54:18 AM
But for the time being - it is pretty similar to YaBB SE.

Well not really. If you only look a little bit into the forum (for example in the member profile) you see lots of differences. It does not need much work or much reading, just a minimal interest in the community program, to see that there has already a lot changed...
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Ben_S on August 12, 2003, 10:03:09 AM
Quote from: maxw on August 12, 2003, 08:32:38 AM
Also, i don't dislike the look of this, i just think it looks the same as Yabb SE.

Which therefore shows exactly what the template engine is capable of, you can make it look like anything you want to, just because this skin resembles yabb se doesnt mean the underlieing code is anything like the code for yabb se.

I would have thought someone who runs a webhost would understand that just because a forum looks the same as another forum, the code producting the visusal result doesnt have to be the same?
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Steven on August 12, 2003, 10:44:58 AM
I don't think Max means the templates Ben. I think he means the way everything is still set out the same as YaBB SE. For example, the way the posts are, how you reply, editing profile etc etc. Some images too.

Also, I haven't seen new features, but I understand its in "Alpha Testing" so I guess there's still time for stuff like that. I think if you're totally changing the name etc, there should be new features, otherwise (to me) it seems a little pointless cos YaBB is a very popular forum.

Anyway, good luck with it all.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Ben_S on August 12, 2003, 10:46:02 AM
Quote from: Steven on August 12, 2003, 10:44:58 AM
I don't think Max means the templates Ben. I think he means the way everything is still set out the same as YaBB SE. For example, the way the posts are, how you reply, editing profile etc etc.

The layout of the things you mention are controled by the template engine, it is all skinable.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Steven on August 12, 2003, 10:48:51 AM
Well thats cool then. As well as the skins, is there still the option to put whatever you want in a textarea like in YaBB cos that is much easier and its one of the main reasons I use YaBB.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Jeff Lewis on August 12, 2003, 01:45:21 PM
Steven, poke around in your profile, there are a lot of things that have changed. Also, a lot in the admin centers as well.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: eFishie on August 12, 2003, 02:14:53 PM
How on Earth do we poke around in the Admin centers!? >:(
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: [Unknown] on August 12, 2003, 02:50:56 PM
I know I'm late - but maybe this will help future comers.

We *made an attempt* to make this theme look like YaBB SE.  It is NOT meant to look more like vBulletin or something than YaBB SE.

That said, it's VERY easy to make it look like another forum.  I, for example, made a few pages of a phpBB theme for fun.  You could not tell the difference.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: morph on August 12, 2003, 04:07:03 PM
I don't think it looks like any other forum software.  Thats my opinion.  It has its own unique look to it.  oh and BTW, i like this better than the blue =]  ;).
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: lbyard on August 12, 2003, 04:26:40 PM
I was going to say I like the old look better until I saw the Post reply form, which looks better than the old one.  I don't like the buttons: Home, Help, etc.  They are cluttered and not as easy to read.  Larry
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: lbyard on August 12, 2003, 04:32:09 PM
And I don't like the name, Simple Machines... simpletons. Furthermore, the smilies look like pumpkins.  And I don't like Apples or XP.  So there...  Larry  ;D
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: [Unknown] on August 12, 2003, 04:34:35 PM
Quote from: lbyard on August 12, 2003, 04:32:09 PM
And I don't like the name, Simple Machines... simpletons. Furthermore, the smilies look like pumpkins.  And I don't like Apples or XP.  So there...  Larry  ;D

LOL, don't worry.  The default themeS will be different, and you'll like one of them.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Jeff Lewis on August 12, 2003, 04:43:50 PM
How about Simple Machines - easy/simple to use?  :P
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: lbyard on August 12, 2003, 05:40:58 PM
Sounds too much like Gates and Jobs.  Software for morons.  Eloquent might be a better choice, but that word has been over-used.  Larry
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Jeff Lewis on August 12, 2003, 06:25:33 PM
Well this should make you feel better - the group here is called Simple Machines, the software is called SMF.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Tom on August 12, 2003, 07:39:39 PM
QuoteLOL, don't worry.  The default themeS will be different, and you'll like one of them.

-[Unknown]

I'm really looking forward to seeing some other themes?  :)

How about a screenshot of one?  :P
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: [Unknown] on August 12, 2003, 08:32:37 PM
Patience is, perhaps, the greatest of all virtues.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: eFishie on August 12, 2003, 08:45:47 PM
No, I believe that patience is not a great virtue, but a necessity. How else have I managed to not kill everyone in front of me in the lunch line at school?
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Parham on August 13, 2003, 10:45:02 AM
Quote from: <?php Piranha ?> on August 12, 2003, 08:45:47 PM
No, I believe that patience is not a great virtue, but a necessity. How else have I managed to not kill everyone in front of me in the lunch line at school?

lack of weapon? LOL jk ;)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: eFishie on August 13, 2003, 12:22:12 PM
No, I think school lunches are easy to make chemical weapons out of.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Acf on August 13, 2003, 12:59:04 PM
Quote from: <?php Piranha ?> on August 13, 2003, 12:22:12 PM
No, I think school lunches are easy to make chemical weapons out of.

terrorist school ???
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: PioneeR on August 13, 2003, 01:34:11 PM
I like it... would be even better if I could catch the odd Llama  :D
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Wooper on August 14, 2003, 01:47:53 PM
aim me at woopermew when its out B-p
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Douglas on August 14, 2003, 01:53:25 PM
Quoteaim me at woopermew when its out B-p
We've all got a LOT on our plates right now, and if we were to AIM every person that SMF/YSE has, it'd take the entire SMF team at least a week just contacting people, putting more stress and aggrevation on us than we truly need.

Just check back often, become an active member here.  You might be surprised as to what you'll learn.  :)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: andrea on August 14, 2003, 03:02:23 PM
Quote from: woopermew on August 14, 2003, 01:47:53 PM
aim me at woopermew when its out B-p

Activate email notification for announcement threads in your member profile.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: silverdragon on August 14, 2003, 03:53:08 PM
Well, I for one will not be hosting any sites with a company who is not willing to do the least amount of research on their own.  Ironic since I'm looking for a new host.

Cool new things:
MUCH faster.  The entire system has been optimized making this the fastest forum software I have ever seen.

New themeing system and skins program.  SMF allows you to theme and skin any part of the forum with much more control than before.  It's very, very cool the amount of control you have now.

At least 20 new features ranging from how you post to system notifications and database repair.  To get the info on all the new features, beta progress and whatnot, you need to be a charter member.  As such, I won't talk about those features here.

All new permissions, grouping, etc.

And that's just as much as I'm willing to type.  If you don't like the features, keep with the old YaBB SE or use a different, slower forum package.  At least browse around and figure some of this stuff out on your own!

-SD
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: carhartt on August 15, 2003, 03:11:02 AM
simplemachines will be better than YaBB SE.

simplemachines rulez!  ;D
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Acf on August 15, 2003, 06:27:22 AM
Quote from: Jeff Lewis on August 12, 2003, 04:43:50 PM
How about Simple Machines - easy/simple to use?  :P

Simple Machines, seriously easy going :P
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Krysia on August 16, 2003, 10:47:15 PM
Quote from: silverdragon on August 02, 2003, 02:49:30 PM
Hey, I can't help it if I have taste and class  :P
I love the look! Can't even believe it... a pro-Mac mb. Whodda thunk.
:)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: LonnieS on August 24, 2003, 09:41:39 AM
It's easy as an observer to make impulsive comments about one software vs. another. If you wanted to be completely objective, you'd see that there is a hell of a lot of work invested in SMF - and YABB SE for that matter. I am impressed by the workmanship. I'm excited to try the new product, as I have several forums that I've been aching to convert to something fast with a powerful and stable back end - SMF not only fits the bill, but they rival the other players in the game.

In a world where everyone's looking to rake you over the coals, it's a privilege to use an excellent product free of charge.

Nice work guys - take a bow!  8)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: PoohBear on August 24, 2003, 09:50:06 AM
Quote from: LonnieS on August 24, 2003, 09:41:39 AM
It's easy as an observer to make impulsive comments about one software vs. another. If you wanted to be completely objective, you'd see that there is a hell of a lot of work invested in SMF - and YABB SE for that matter. I am impressed by the workmanship. I'm excited to try the new product, as I have several forums that I've been aching to convert to something fast with a powerful and stable back end - SMF not only fits the bill, but they rival the other players in the game.

In a world where everyone's looking to rake you over the coals, it's a privilege to use an excellent product free of charge.

Nice work guys - take a bow!  8)

"Hear Hear", I totally agree  :D
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Ron|Spikecity on August 25, 2003, 03:27:45 PM
Quote from: carhartt on August 15, 2003, 03:11:02 AM
simplemachines will be better than YaBB SE.

simplemachines rulez!  ;D
It should be because as far as I know these guys started where SE stopped and somebody whispered in my ear that it seems that a few of the team are mighty talented programmers ;)

Only the name..... ? So many rude translations pop into my mind :P
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: tuntis on August 27, 2003, 07:52:32 AM
Good job,this system looks "cool"  8)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Meriadoc on August 27, 2003, 03:19:39 PM
Quote from: LonnieS on August 24, 2003, 09:41:39 AM
In a world where everyone's looking to rake you over the coals, it's a privilege to use an excellent product free of charge.

Nice work guys - take a bow!  8)
/me grabs [unknown] and makes him bow ;D
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: aviram on August 29, 2003, 08:30:44 PM
Just found out about SMF.

(started looking today, found phpBB, followed by YaBB, then YaBBSE, which led me to SMF...)

I have a non-profit org I am trying to help, first5ventura.org (http://first5ventura.org)

I just set them up with mailing list lists.first5ventura.org (http://lists.first5ventura.org),

(took me three days to research, install, and configure, first time I had to deal with sendmail... having the root password, does not make me a sysadmin...)

and now I am looking for a forum software for them, and another non-profit

So far, I really like SMF, but I since I was so delayed with mailman, they would like me to install this ASAP...

Any idea when SMF is going to be released? 

(I know about YaBBSE, but after my experience with mailman/sendmail, I rather just install once...)

Sincerely,

-avi
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Alexandre P. on August 29, 2003, 09:06:40 PM
SMF is still an alpha version...  after, the developpers will allow Charter members to have the first betas, and after it will be released for everyone...

my suggestion for now is to install YaBB SE 1.5.4: the installation is really simple, you will se ;)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: [Unknown] on August 29, 2003, 09:19:51 PM
Well, I have to say - I'm sorry, but it's not going to be done this week or anything.

The upgrade/converter from YaBB SE is a two click process.  It's really not bad at all.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Brian Lacy on August 30, 2003, 07:05:58 PM
Haven't posted here yet -- not as a member anyway, can't remember if I made an earlier comment. After reading this entire(!!) thread I wanted to throw in my own praise for the Dev's.

Before I continue, please understand that I have no affiliation with Simple Machines or YaBB SE, other than being a very pleased user of the software since YSE's release.

I had a chance to talk with a couple of the Devs in the past, and back when YaBB SE 2.0 was in an early production stage I even got a quick peak at the code, which I assume has grown and evolved into SMF. If this is true, then I'm lucky enough to have had a small glimpse of what's coming.

Although this was very long ago, I can tell you that this forum software was designed and built from the ground to be extremely secure, stable, and reliable, and incredibly customizable. I won't go into detail because I don't know what the Dev's have planned for their Charter Members (I'd be one already if I had the money), and I don't want to spoil their hard work. I also don't want to give any false or misleading information.

But we all know that the software is expected to be extremely customizable design, thanks to the theming system, and that the board allows Child boards, a feature supported only by one other forum package I know of. I'm also aware that it is much faster. I'm sure there's more I haven't mentioned, which could be discovered by simply bothering to click on the appropriate links on the Simple Machines home page -- if you're too lazy to do this so-called "research" then don't complain about a lack of features. ;)

As for the complaints about looking like YaBB SE:
SMF will always be reminiscent of YaBB SE because it is ultimately an upgrade from that software... think of it as being something like the difference between Windows 98 and Windows XP, or between Mac OS 8 and OS X. The roots are basically the same, the company (or in this case the Devs) are the same, and the target audience is the same -- but the codebase and the functionality have been completely redesigned to be more powerful and functional in virtually every way.

I hope that clarifies things for a few people.

Lastly I want to comment on the name. When I heard "Simple Machines" the first thing I thought of was a product that was easy to use, and a product that is based on many smaller, elegant components working in unison to achieve a common goal, like a complex machine made from a simple one. It is my understanding that not only is SMF built in a more component-based manner than YSE, but that Simple Machines is intended to evolve into a suite of web applications that can work in concert with each other or as standalone products, the way Microsoft Office is comprised of Word, Excel, Access, etc.

So to me, Simple Machines is a great name. I also think it has a great ring to it, and sounds both professional and slightly whimsical, and even the logo is logical and recognizable. Whoever thought up that name deserves a medal, and ought to consider a marketing career for themselves.

Alright, I'm done raving. I pretty much just wanted passive readers to know that there was a non-affiliated individual around here that could back up their views.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Wezz6400 on August 31, 2003, 11:44:06 AM
Nice post :)

Quote from: Brian Lacy on August 30, 2003, 07:05:58 PM
I had a chance to talk with a couple of the Devs in the past, and back when YaBB SE 2.0 was in an early production stage I even got a quick peak at the code, which I assume has grown and evolved into SMF. If this is true, then I'm lucky enough to have had a small glimpse of what's coming.
Sorry to disappoint you but YaBB SE 2.0 was dropped because of various reasons. SMF basicly is YaBB SE 1.6.0, but it's a total rewrite with lot's of new features. You could call it 1.6.0 but if you're talking about changes your comparison with Win 98 v.s. XP is way more accurate. :)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Brian Lacy on August 31, 2003, 12:01:29 PM
I realize the name was dropped and the code re-worked, but I highly doubt they scrapped the code for the entire YSE2 project. They had the permission system, the themes, the childboards, and so on -- everything we've seen evolve into SMF. YSE2 was designed from scratch to be a compeltely new product; it was my understanding that they intended to make big changes before YSE2's release, and I'm positive Simple Machines is a result of that.

Incidentally, its important to understand that YSE2 was a completely new product -- it re-used none of the existing code structure from YaBB SE. So it makes sense that they would change the name. It also makes sense that a different license would be used.

If a top-level or long-time Dev can refute this, and tell me that the entire codebase is brand new, then I'll rethink my position ;) otherwise I feel perfectly justified in saying that SMF is an evolved version of YSE2 (and not YSE1.x).
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Matt on August 31, 2003, 12:36:53 PM
This Looks Great!  :D
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: David on August 31, 2003, 01:09:34 PM
Actually, all of the YSE 2 code that you would have seen was scrapped.  It was too limiting and in the end would not allow for the flexability.  The codebase was also a lot slower due to how parts were coded.  The code in SMF is based offf of YaBB SE 1.5.4 but has more or less been completly rewritten, I can't even follow the SMF code and I have been working with YSE since 1.3.0.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Brian Lacy on August 31, 2003, 05:02:04 PM
*wishes he could see the code now*
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Farseer Ulthrion on September 02, 2003, 05:28:27 PM
Hello all,

I thought I'd just introduce myself here :).
I found out about YABBSE when I first signed up at EldarOnline, and I thought it was easily the best forum I had seen on the net so far *clap clap*. Since I study Computer Science at the University of Nijmegen (in The Netherlands), I was quite interested in the various functions of the boards.

A few months ago, I finally pushed myself into learning PHP (I created my first page with PHP, but I've only worked for three days on that one .. I will work on it a bit more, to learn more of the PHP functionality). I signed up at YABBSE as it's a relatively good source for PHP (as I already know C/C++ and Java, PHP is fairly easy for me to understand).
The next step in evolution was signing up at SMF, which is where we are now (but I guess you already knew that ;)).

I'll probably go back into my lurker-state now, as I don't know enough about PHP yet to actively participate in most of the threads. Also, I like to read what you all have to say.

I the end, this is just an excuse to make at least one post on the boards, but I think it's a good one :).

Your thankful lurker,
Farseer Ulthrion
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Omar Bazavilvazo on September 03, 2003, 09:53:02 AM
Welcome here, Farseer
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Overseer on September 03, 2003, 09:55:29 AM
is Farseer a real name? ;o

Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Durriken on September 07, 2003, 01:36:13 PM
I SOOOOO cannot wait for this to become available!!!!!   :D  :P

Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Kevin on September 08, 2003, 01:59:14 PM
I like the MAC type buttons ;)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Oldiesmann on September 09, 2003, 05:03:17 PM
Are you guys going to do a "Public Beta Test" like they're currently doing with YaBB Gold SP2? I know there's the "charter member" option, but I'm a college student and don't have that much money to throw around...
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: bostasp on September 09, 2003, 05:04:39 PM
yea... after the Charter Members get it :D
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Oldiesmann on September 09, 2003, 05:07:18 PM
Here's an option... Send out advanced notices to charter members and give them a dedicated server to download from...
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Jeff Lewis on September 09, 2003, 05:37:49 PM
An option as opposed to what?

Charter Members will get the advance beta, that's what being a Charter Member is all about (well part of it) :)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Ben_S on September 09, 2003, 07:21:29 PM
The other part is the free drinks ;)

Charter membership = Topness.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Owdy on September 09, 2003, 07:33:37 PM
Quote from: Oldiesmann on September 09, 2003, 05:03:17 PM
don't have that much money to throw around...
Then u just have to wait  :)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: eFishie on September 09, 2003, 08:58:04 PM
Noooooooooo!!!  :'(
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Dietrich on September 10, 2003, 09:25:19 AM
the new look is very good :D

only the page bottom @ SM can be better to me
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Oldiesmann on September 10, 2003, 10:49:35 AM
Hey Jeff... any idea as to when we will see the first beta version of SMF?
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Jeff Lewis on September 10, 2003, 01:04:35 PM
Quote from: Oldiesmann on September 10, 2003, 10:49:35 AM
Hey Jeff... any idea as to when we will see the first beta version of SMF?

Of course I know ;)

We have given a target release date to Charter Members where will will set RC1 loose to them. The whole process will contain three release candidates before we release a 1.0.

Charter Members will work with RC1 and RC2 and an open beta will work with RC3.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: [Unknown] on September 10, 2003, 05:54:11 PM
Umm.. I'd rather phrase it more like, they're getting beta 1, they'll get beta 2, and they'll get RC1... or something.  And then RC2 (and 3, if there is one..) is public...

Just because RC and beta mean different things to me - RC means I can't add new features...

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Jeff Lewis on September 10, 2003, 07:50:36 PM
Whatever name we give them then, the idea is the same across the board  :P  ;)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: eFishie on September 10, 2003, 08:05:38 PM
What? THat I'll be the last one with a copy of SMF because I can't afford Charter Membership?

You know, it would be nice of you to give me charter membership as a gift . . .  ;D
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Jeff Lewis on September 10, 2003, 08:06:48 PM
It's our way of thanking those that support us :) We then thank the rest of the user base with an open beta as opposed to a close beta :)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Scott Hamilton on September 10, 2003, 11:35:22 PM
I just signed up as a Charter Member, absolutely love the old, waiting on the new with much anticipation.

You guys ROCK!
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: eFishie on September 10, 2003, 11:50:10 PM
They do rock, but the only way I can support them is by sending them occasional dollar bills.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Oldiesmann on September 11, 2003, 02:33:42 AM
Quote from: <?php Piranha ?> on September 10, 2003, 11:50:10 PM
They do rock, but the only way I can support them is by sending them occasional dollar bills.

Same here... I don't like the idea that I won't get to see any development until the final release candidate. Surely you guys can come up with a better reward for supporters, and more options for support would also be nice. You could set it up so that people have several "support levels" to choose from, and give them free "stuff" for supporting you, and let everyone beta test all the release candidates. I didn't start running my own YaBB SE board until right around the time 1.51RC1 was released, so I haven't really had the fun experience of beta-testing stuff. Give us college students a break! I'll gladly send you guys a little bit of money here and there when I can afford it, but I don't think that people should get priveleges to test earlier releases just because they can afford to pay $50 a year.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: bostasp on September 11, 2003, 02:34:06 AM
Quote from: <?php Piranha ?> on September 10, 2003, 11:50:10 PM
They do rock, but the only way I can support them is by sending them occasional dollar bills.

Then save up the dollar bills... and sell old stuff...  :P ;D
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Jeff Lewis on September 11, 2003, 07:23:39 AM
Quote from: Oldiesmann on September 11, 2003, 02:33:42 AM
but I don't think that people should get priveleges to test earlier releases just because they can afford to pay $50 a month.

It's $50 for the year, not each month...
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: eFishie on September 11, 2003, 08:11:57 AM
I can get domain names cheaper than that!!

$4.95 for piranhaweb.us, a price I could pay, it's 5 bucks a year. 50 bucks a year, I could probably not manage.

How is a high school student supposed to be a charter member?
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Jeff Lewis on September 11, 2003, 08:31:36 AM
Quote from: <?php Piranha ?> on September 11, 2003, 08:11:57 AM
How is a high school student supposed to be a charter member?

By getting a paper route? It's not for everyone I admit but it's there. I am sorry you can't take advantage of it.

You'll still get to beta test, just not the first go around.

One of our Charter Members has a lot of difficulty money wise and managed to become one after reorganizing things and chatting with me.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: eFishie on September 11, 2003, 08:38:05 AM
How about if I become a mod developer? Do I get sooner beta tests so I can make mods? How the hell does (or did) BoardMod work?
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Tony Reid on September 11, 2003, 09:00:41 AM
I remember suggesting  a while back, that YaBBSE had some form of paid membership - to allow users access to early betas....

http://www.yabbse.org/community/index.php?thread=23270/15

To me it certainly makes sense, and will help to provide a more focused product - with some umph behind it. Its a much better model, than a lot of other projects out there.

Maybe you'll just have to wait a little :)



Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: [Unknown] on September 11, 2003, 10:00:34 AM
When it boils down to it, we're thanking you for supporting us.  After all, the server is not free... and even if it were, nothing else is.  If you help us pay for such things that we need, we're more than glad to thank you in the only way we can - but if you can't, sorry... we'll still thank you for being here... but later.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Oldiesmann on September 11, 2003, 05:13:22 PM
Quote from: Jeff Lewis on September 11, 2003, 07:23:39 AM
Quote from: Oldiesmann on September 11, 2003, 02:33:42 AM
but I don't think that people should get priveleges to test earlier releases just because they can afford to pay $50 a month.

It's $50 for the year, not each month...

That's what I meant... What I'm saying though is that you should have more options for supporting you, like PBS and certain radio stations do, and also base the "premiums" on that level - ie, those who support you the most get the earliest version to test, and maybe a t-shirt or their choice of an item from the store, and then go down from there, so that everyone who supports you gets something and what they get depends on how much they can afford to spend.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Wezz6400 on September 11, 2003, 06:24:27 PM
Thing is that with the charter membership you get something you couldn't get before. If don't want to pay or if you can't offord it you will still get access to every version you had access to before. Only now you can get access to versions you couldn't get access to before by paying $50 a year. Something that may be a lot for a student like me, but for an adult with a full-time job it shouldn't be a problem I think. And you still can get the software for free.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Jeff Lewis on September 11, 2003, 07:03:42 PM
Exactly :)

Perhaps we'll look at more down the road but for now, this is what we offer - and it's been well received so far.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: David on September 11, 2003, 08:00:52 PM
Quote from: Wezz6400 on September 11, 2003, 06:24:27 PM
Thing is that with the charter membership you get something you couldn't get before.
Exactly, the betas that charter members get were never prviously released to the public.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: antibob on September 12, 2003, 03:48:42 PM
when will the charter members get their hands on SMF?

thanks,
AB
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: David on September 12, 2003, 04:58:28 PM
Quote from: antibob on September 12, 2003, 03:48:42 PM
when will the charter members get their hands on SMF?
A tentative date has been provided to them.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Oldiesmann on September 13, 2003, 06:14:25 PM
Here's a question for you guys... Do you think that SMF 1.0 will be out in time to be a major competitor with the other major php board release that's in the works? (If you're wondering why all the sketchy text, I'm trying not to advertise).
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Jeff Lewis on September 13, 2003, 09:33:37 PM
I didn't know anyone was getting ready to release...don't really follow them :)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Oldiesmann on September 15, 2003, 03:07:33 PM
Well, I like to keep up with the competition... That way if they have a feature that looks cool and this one doesn't, I can suggest it here.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: d-light on September 15, 2003, 08:15:40 PM
sorry this might be outa line, but do you think the "ip logged" icon is a little xpish?  I know this is alpha, but there was quite a discussion earlier in this thread about the xpishness vs the osxishness of the look and feel of SMF.  BTW. Great f-ing job you guys!!!!!!!!!!  Can I get a hell yeah for the Developers? ;D  Oh yeah, and good god don't whine about a friggin $50.00 yearly privlage to view work in progress code. 
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: David on September 15, 2003, 08:23:06 PM
Quote from: d-light on September 15, 2003, 08:15:40 PM
sorry this might be outa line, but do you think the "ip logged" icon is a little xpish?  I know this is alpha, but there was quite a discussion earlier in this thread about the xpishness vs the osxishness of the look and feel of SMF.  BTW. Great f-ing job you guys!!!!!!!!!!  Can I get a hell yeah for the Developers? ;D
Hell Yeah!!

I think that icon came from the YaBB original which predated XP.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: d-light on September 15, 2003, 08:44:25 PM
I C.  Am I right though?  Maybe it is the the other way around then?  The MacroHard people stole it from the 'Y' word people?  That's just nit picky bs anyway.  Overall feeling is: "I can't friggin wait for this thing to become available".
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: mattsiegman on September 15, 2003, 09:30:09 PM
huh? 'Y' word people?
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: eFishie on September 15, 2003, 09:34:30 PM
You guys say it like YaBB SE is a bad thing.

Though SMF has one improvement, my name is highlighted...

<?php Piranha ?>
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: d-light on September 15, 2003, 09:41:09 PM
sRRY. DidN't MeaN anY DisReSpeCt!  I use Yabb 1 and am planning on upgrading to YabbSE.  I'm for it all!  It's just that this is SMF's website, and this is SMF alpha, and I'm just watching my p's and y's. :(

Is it just me, or is it everytime I post here (reply) when I hit post, it tosses me back to the home dr?
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: eFishie on September 15, 2003, 10:03:34 PM
No offense taken.

Ps and Ys? Whatcha mean?

And it may just be you.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Ryan on September 18, 2003, 02:36:52 AM
I think the charter is a cool idea...  But will just turn into the latest addon to warez sites lol...
Eg what will attract people to your site?
I know how bout a SMF beta download for free...

LOL even the charter members will be selling it for half price...
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: bostasp on September 18, 2003, 02:37:56 AM
Quote from: ryan on September 18, 2003, 02:36:52 AM
I think the charter is a cool idea...  But will just turn into the latest addon to warez sites lol...
Eg what will attract people to your site?
I know how bout a SMF beta download for free...

LOL even the charter members will be selling it for half price...

that, I'm not quite sure of
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Metho on September 18, 2003, 04:05:57 AM
I dun think so. SMF is cool and all, but I think "HL2 BETA COPY!!!" is more likely to draw attention than "SMF 1.0 ALPHA COPY!!!" :P
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Skoen on September 18, 2003, 04:37:30 AM
Haha, true. Not many who can complain about that. But how about both?
SMF Alpha is unknown for the most of the people on the net, except the members here, so maybe they will check it out. Then they will either be furious or pleased. We can all hope :)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: jrcarr on September 21, 2003, 12:51:35 PM
I understand that you have already given the Charter Members a possible delivery date of the beta versions and such, but wouldn't it be helpful to give the rest of us a ballpark idea? A couple weeks, months or longer?  I don't mind checking in frequently, but it really would be nice to have a general idea of how long we might be waiting for Version 1.0.

Btw, I see a lot of quality work going on here and find many needed addition and improvements.  If the underlying code has near the improvements as the face, you have a heck of a winner here.

Jack
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Owdy on September 21, 2003, 01:02:31 PM
Some time this year  ;D
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: David on September 21, 2003, 01:08:57 PM
We will make a public announcement when Charter Members recieve their copy.  It shouldn't be too much longer.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: LoonyPandora on September 22, 2003, 08:36:25 AM
This place looks good - very good infact - well done - love the look and feel :)

A word of warning though - change the OS X icons before Apple finds out (I mean the iChat Smileys, and the buttons with Sherlock, and iCal icons etc...) - you will get pressurised/sued by them for infringing their copyright. - i hope these are only 'development' icons, until you get some proper ones made up :)

Glad to have some fellow 'Mac Weenies' working on a forum now, I'm torn between this and YaBB...
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Tyris on September 22, 2003, 09:08:02 AM
This should be far better than YaBB into terms of resource usage... simply because php and mySQL use far less resources.

smiley's were all made from scratch by members of the team (sorry... can't remember who...), same with the buttons I assume. So unless they have a patent on the yellow smiley face and on using a sherlock holmes hat in buttons... they can't do much ;)

also... not everyone here's a 'Mac Weenie"... though I'm sure I speak for many when I say the Mac OSX theme is smoooooth!! (got one running on my winXP ;))
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Overseer on September 22, 2003, 09:19:38 AM
Quote from: LoonyPandora on September 22, 2003, 08:36:25 AM
This place looks good - very good infact - well done - love the look and feel :)

A word of warning though - change the OS X icons before Apple finds out (I mean the iChat Smileys, and the buttons with Sherlock, and iCal icons etc...) - you will get pressurised/sued by them for infringing their copyright. - i hope these are only 'development' icons, until you get some proper ones made up :)

Glad to have some fellow 'Mac Weenies' working on a forum now, I'm torn between this and YaBB...

Well for one, this template here will not be included with the SMF distribution.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: LoonyPandora on September 22, 2003, 09:35:29 AM
I'm not sure if Apple used a standard 'set' of smileys or whatever in iChat - but the ones on here look exactly the same, with a few additions to the set.

but seriously, look at the icons, they are taken straight form OSX - i'm not trolling or anything - just mentioning that sites have been taken down for similar things... (anyone in the Mac rumour community will vouch for this...)

and the 'mac weenie' statement was just a laugh - someone out there knows what I'm on about... (Christer, I'm looking at you...)

Yeah, it will be better than YaBB, just it's what I'm used to, hopefully this place will be better for Mac Users support needs than other board systems... - but I'm weighing it up against the experience I have with YaBB - sorry to stay, I'm sticking with what I know (nothing against you guys and gals.)

Oh, glad it won't be included, just giving you a heads up - I work for apple, and have seen many good sites been taken down, or at least threatened for similar things :)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Owdy on September 22, 2003, 09:42:54 AM
Hehee, someone has copypasted something  :P
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: [Unknown] on September 22, 2003, 10:01:24 AM
If you scroll up the topic a few pages you'll see we already discussed this, and it was said that it's not a problem.

If it is in actuallity, we'll change the icons.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: LoonyPandora on September 22, 2003, 10:16:59 AM
QuoteIf you scroll up the topic a few pages you'll see we already discussed this, and it was said that it's not a problem.

If it is in actuallity, we'll change the icons.

I didn't see that, what page is it on? - i only scanned through a bit - I read just up to page 5 before, and saw the stuff about this not being included when it is released - I just scanned through again, and didn't see anything - not beeing funny or anything, just wondering where this discussion was?

Just be warned... :)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Tyris on September 22, 2003, 10:38:11 AM
heheh, they're mighty similar smilies... ;D
I swear someone here was supposed to be responsible for making them... maybe I just misinterpretted and they only made a few new ones... I just remember hearing that the buttons were copyrighted or something for use only at simplemachines...
It's a shame that the big companies care so much... I mean really its just proof of how much the people like something....
kinda reminds me of Nintendo sueing like 140 or so sites for copyright infringements in the name (had pokemon names in the domain names or something)...
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: LoonyPandora on September 22, 2003, 10:49:11 AM
yeah, it is very sad that they can be so picky, but you can see their point - just because they are a multinational company doesn't make it right to use their artwork without their permission... I must admit, there are a few new ones on here than in iChat... looking good nonetheless. :) - I wish you guys well in this very nice project.

(best bit I've seen: the additional options disclosure triangle thing on the post screen - love it)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Peter Duggan on September 22, 2003, 12:37:07 PM
Quote from: LoonyPandora on September 22, 2003, 09:35:29 AM
I'm not sure if Apple used a standard 'set' of smileys or whatever in iChat - but the ones on here look exactly the same, with a few additions to the set.

I don't know what they're called, but I never liked these smileys anyway (apart from the 'lips sealed', which IMHO makes its point quite well)! :-X
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: [Unknown] on September 22, 2003, 04:26:35 PM
My mistake, it was in another topic.

http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?threadid=226/msg3807;topicseen#msg3807

I said: if this set is copyrighted... we should take it off...

It was then explain that...
QuoteSimply put, the images have no copyright and were not built by Apple (although the iChat icons are a little different that what you see posted, He didn't actually use those graphics directly, he used the original files).  The icons were created for AIM and have been available on MacUpdate since Mac OS 9.

The background was modified, and he changed the border, and the foreground on most images.  More than 90% of all smilies have been changed.

Thus no copyright infrigement has taken place.

If I'm wrong, or this information is wrong - feel free to correct me.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: mattsiegman on September 22, 2003, 05:41:23 PM
Quote from: Tyris on September 22, 2003, 09:08:02 AM
This should be far better than YaBB into terms of resource usage... simply because php and mySQL use far less resources.

Not in all cases.  You haven't seen how fast SP2 is getting.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Tyris on September 22, 2003, 07:58:31 PM
heh, true, I don't think I've ever used YaBB... and havn't used perl for a very long time...
so the general trend seems to be that php and mySQL is less resource intensive (many hosts suggest only using php boards because of this).
Anyway... I'd only ever use SMF coz I loved YaBBSE coding style... and only know php well enough to make mods.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: mattsiegman on September 22, 2003, 10:57:35 PM
YaBB got a bad rep. because It is Perl and Flat-file.. it does take a bit more resources on ginormous boards... However, the current strides they are making on SP2 are incredible.
We also have to remember, PHP was designed for the web, Perl was designed for applications.  Perl 6 is being written, and will be incredibly cool and fast.  I'm curious to see how PHP and Perl get along in the next generation.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: [Unknown] on September 23, 2003, 02:25:34 AM
I have SP2 installed and SMF is still faster and less resource intensive, although SP2 is a lot closer.

And, generally speaking, MySQL uses less resources..... it's very highly optimized.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: LoonyPandora on September 23, 2003, 07:43:00 AM
Quote from: [Unknown] on September 22, 2003, 04:26:35 PM
I said: if this set is copyrighted... we should take it off...

It was then explain that...
QuoteSimply put, the images have no copyright and were not built by Apple (although the iChat icons are a little different that what you see posted, He didn't actually use those graphics directly, he used the original files).  The icons were created for AIM and have been available on MacUpdate since Mac OS 9.

The background was modified, and he changed the border, and the foreground on most images.  More than 90% of all smilies have been changed.

Thus no copyright infrigement has taken place.

If I'm wrong, or this information is wrong - feel free to correct me.

-[Unknown]

Ok, that's cool - I guess the smileys were from a set for AIM which i wasn't aware of. :)

Quote
2. Apple Logo and Apple-owned Graphic Symbols: You may not use the Apple Logo or any  other Apple-owned graphic symbol, logo, or icon on or in connection with web sites, products,  packaging, manuals, promotional/advertising materials, or for any other purpose except pursuant to an  express written trademark license from Apple, such as a reseller agreement.
taken from http://www.apple.com/legal/guidelinesfor3rdparties.html (http://www.apple.com/legal/guidelinesfor3rdparties.html) - Unauthorized Use of Apple Trademarks section.

Knowing Apple as I do, they will defend the use of their images - the more generic looking images such as the home icon, and the user icon you may get away with, but certainly not pieces of their software (the logos for TextEdit, iCal, Sherlcok, Help Centre, Print Centre are all used in buttons on here) - Apple will most likely just send you a threatening letter first, but you may wish to avoid that.

Whether or not those images have been modified slightly - they are still obviously Apples icons (the date on the iCal calendar is even the same... incidently the date when it was released...) - so just letting you know what to expect. - personally I think it's cool that some people like Apple's art enough to use it on their site, but Apple don't - especially with a website that is nothing to do with Macs, and also sells a product.


SP2 is cool btw :D - i've not tried SMF yet, but SP2 is great, and even SP1.1 is pretty speedy for me :) - so I guess i'm not to bothered - good luck to you all :)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: bostasp on September 23, 2003, 07:47:16 AM
Quote from: LoonyPandora on September 23, 2003, 07:43:00 AM
Quote from: [Unknown] on September 22, 2003, 04:26:35 PM
I said: if this set is copyrighted... we should take it off...

It was then explain that...
QuoteSimply put, the images have no copyright and were not built by Apple (although the iChat icons are a little different that what you see posted, He didn't actually use those graphics directly, he used the original files).  The icons were created for AIM and have been available on MacUpdate since Mac OS 9.

The background was modified, and he changed the border, and the foreground on most images.  More than 90% of all smilies have been changed.

Thus no copyright infrigement has taken place.

If I'm wrong, or this information is wrong - feel free to correct me.

-[Unknown]

Ok, that's cool - I guess the smileys were from a set for AIM which i wasn't aware of. :)

Quote
2. Apple Logo and Apple-owned Graphic Symbols: You may not use the Apple Logo or any  other Apple-owned graphic symbol, logo, or icon on or in connection with web sites, products,  packaging, manuals, promotional/advertising materials, or for any other purpose except pursuant to an  express written trademark license from Apple, such as a reseller agreement.
taken from http://www.apple.com/legal/guidelinesfor3rdparties.html (http://www.apple.com/legal/guidelinesfor3rdparties.html) - Unauthorized Use of Apple Trademarks section.

Knowing Apple as I do, they will defend the use of their images - the more generic looking images such as the home icon, and the user icon you may get away with, but certainly not pieces of their software (the logos for TextEdit, iCal, Sherlcok, Help Centre, Print Centre are all used in buttons on here) - Apple will most likely just send you a threatening letter first, but you may wish to avoid that.

Whether or not those images have been modified slightly - they are still obviously Apples icons (the date on the iCal calendar is even the same... incidently the date when it was released...) - so just letting you know what to expect. - personally I think it's cool that some people like Apple's art enough to use it on their site, but Apple don't - especially with a website that is nothing to do with Macs, and also sells a product.


SP2 is cool btw :D - i've not tried SMF yet, but SP2 is great, and even SP1.1 is pretty speedy for me :) - so I guess i'm not to bothered - good luck to you all :)

I'd like to see Microsoft start moaning for the XP icons that litter sites on the internet. I doubt they would, therefore I doubt Apple would say anything.

Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Tyris on September 23, 2003, 07:50:44 AM
they don't sell a product.
the charter membership is not a "paid version" of the forum either, its a donation based on giving back to the developers. (of course the donators get something back... and I guess given that its support then it could be considered paid... :-\)
at least thats what I understand it to be (correct me to be wrong).
(of course not saying this is justification or anything, just pointing out this is a non-profit organisation, hence the .org domain I guess)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: LoonyPandora on September 23, 2003, 08:05:13 AM
QuoteI'd like to see Microsoft start moaning for the XP icons that litter sites on the internet. I doubt they would, therefore I doubt Apple would say anything.

You obviously aren't a Mac user... - Apple are REALLY protective about their trademarks, and any info - and I mean to a paranoia extent - i work for them, and internally they aren't much better - i have seen sites sent threatening letters because they used an Apple trademarked icon (the most recent case I recall was the icon for iMovie...) - I see your point, but Apple are in a league of their own when it comes to protecting their trademarks, believe me...


Quotethey don't sell a product.
the charter membership is not a "paid version" of the forum either, its a donation based on giving back to the developers. (of course the donators get something back... and I guess given that its support then it could be considered paid... )
at least thats what I understand it to be (correct me to be wrong).
(of course not saying this is justification or anything, just pointing out this is a non-profit organisation, hence the .org domain I guess)

That's a good point - but the 'charter membership' is very easy to confuse with paid membership - i.e you get extra services (I read somewhere that any updates will be applied by a member of the dev team or something similar) as well as priority support - Apple would come down hard on you even if you were a mac loving site, who made no money at all, from anything - they are that protective. Case in point: http://www.spymac.com - in their old their logo, the smoke from the smoking man formed the shape of the Apple logo - it had to be taken down because Apple didn't like it - and they are an Apple fan site... - believe me it happens all the time... whether we like it or not.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Tyris on September 23, 2003, 08:11:44 AM
mmm, the charter membership is a bit on the dodgy side mainly because of the support they're supposed to provide... and I guess the upgrade by SMF people... (by dodgy I mean leaning on "paid services")
though I guess its irrelevent if Mac are gonna do things like that.
*checks spymacs logo* damn... the other one was... "better"...?
I hate it when companies start to do things like this.
I mean I run Nintendo websites... using Nintendo graphics for banners and whatnot... what happens when they start saying Ii cant have any nintendo images or media on my site...?
Kinda ruins the point of fan communities... I reckon maybe the should employ people to keep track of people who DO use their stuff, and only let them if they're not doing anything dodgy.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: eFishie on September 23, 2003, 08:31:23 AM
What happens if they say I can't have PHP installed!?
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: [Unknown] on September 23, 2003, 09:42:17 AM
Well, I didn't know about those icons.  I guess we'll have to talk to Silverdragon...

(I've never really used a mac so I had no way of knowing the icons were from mac os.)

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: LoonyPandora on September 23, 2003, 09:54:05 AM
Fair enough - wouldn't expect you to. - Just bringing it to your attention, as it was the first thing that jumped out at me. 8)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: andrea on September 29, 2003, 06:57:20 AM
Quote from: d-light on September 15, 2003, 09:41:09 PM
Is it just me, or is it everytime I post here (reply) when I hit post, it tosses me back to the home dr?

Thats just you. Which browser are you using?
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Oldiesmann on October 12, 2003, 10:22:13 PM
Hmmm... Beta 1a... that means that there will be another Beta before Beta 2...
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Tyris on October 13, 2003, 03:57:53 AM
whoo!!
just noticed *goes to congratulate [Unknown] for updating it ;D*
will 1b be public...? or is only beta 2 gonna be public... with beta 1b only existing if its really needed...?
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Jeff Lewis on October 13, 2003, 11:08:44 AM
It all depends on how the beta testing goes :)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Tom on October 13, 2003, 01:22:31 PM
/me crosses fingers  :)

Edit: WOW, I didn't know it would do that. lol  :D

Edit 2: Fixed spelling.  :P
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Peter Duggan on October 13, 2003, 02:46:53 PM
Quote from: Tom on October 13, 2003, 01:22:31 PM
/me crosses finges  :)

Edit: WOW, I didn't know it would do that. lol  :D

What? Leave the 'r' off 'fingers'? :P

/me whistles and pretends he doesn't know what Tom's talking about...
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: [Unknown] on October 13, 2003, 03:21:40 PM
Quote from: Tom on October 13, 2003, 01:22:31 PM
/me crosses fingers  :)

Edit: WOW, I didn't know it would do that. lol  :D

Edit 2: Fixed spelling.  :P

/me says, "cool, eh?" (yes I fixed it so my name works ;D.)

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Justyne on October 14, 2003, 10:41:17 AM
are we getting any closer to the release? Or will it still take quite a while?
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Blade Gfx on October 15, 2003, 11:23:36 PM
^Waitin On his question To Be Answered
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: David on October 15, 2003, 11:29:36 PM
Quote from: Justyne on October 14, 2003, 10:41:17 AM
are we getting any closer to the release? Or will it still take quite a while?
We get closer every day.  This site was upgraded to the latest stable beta copy a few days ago and it should go out to Charter Members very soon.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: eFishie on October 15, 2003, 11:35:11 PM
Well, of COURSE we get closer every day! I would hope so at least!
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: [Unknown] on October 16, 2003, 12:21:46 AM
Quote from: Blade Gfx on October 15, 2003, 11:23:36 PM
^Waitin On his question To Be Answered

Her?

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Seph|roth on October 16, 2003, 11:12:19 AM
Quote from: [Unknown] on October 16, 2003, 12:21:46 AM
Quote from: Blade Gfx on October 15, 2003, 11:23:36 PM
^Waitin On his question To Be Answered

Her?

-[Unknown]
well, there's no gender spcified in his/her profile, so... ;)
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Justyne on October 20, 2003, 06:50:42 AM
that is great. I am really dying to get the new software for my forum.
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Oldiesmann on October 20, 2003, 04:06:53 PM
I am too, but there's one small problem... My board is so modded that I'm gonna have a lot of work to do before I upgrade. I'm not sure how I'm gonna do it. I may just wipe out my current board and install SMF 1.0 on the site (when it's released of course), then just copy whatever info I need from the old database structure (such as usernames, passwords, and email addresses, as well as avatar stuff). However, if anyone has any suggestions, let me know. I could just uninstall all the mods, but that would take a really long time...
Title: Upgrading from YaBB SE Question
Post by: sohosharky on October 25, 2003, 01:21:35 PM
I just regsitered with simple machines but do not see how to upgrade from YaBB SE.
So many links are "coming soon" -- What is the hyperlink address for the upgrade?
Thanks.
Sally
www.planetsharkproductions.com
Title: Re:Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: klumy on October 25, 2003, 01:34:14 PM
SMF isn't out for public yet. It's still in beta status.
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: I, Brian on December 14, 2003, 05:07:48 PM
Well, YaBB SP.1 Gold was the first type of forum I ever installed and ran. YaBB SE was the second.

Then I got caught up in becoming an apprentice SEO, and thought that other forums offered more in terms of internet marketing.

Now, 3 vBulletin licenses down the road, and I am almost absolutely certain that I should always have stayed with the YaBB SE project.

Other forum software has had its forum links devalued. SMF and YaBB SE appear to have escaped it all.

Looks like I'm back and ready to become a part in the Simple Machines project. Funny thing as well - this was always the strongest in terms of community spirit. Glad to return. :)





Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: [Unknown] on December 14, 2003, 05:13:32 PM
Quote from: I, Brian on December 14, 2003, 05:07:48 PM
Other forum software has had its forum links devalued. SMF and YaBB SE appear to have escaped it all.

Just... uhh.... well... err, okay fine - I'm too stupid to understand what you mean by that.

Eh?

-[Unknown]
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: I, Brian on December 14, 2003, 05:25:18 PM
Not stupid - just different areas of speciality. :)

I'll be opening my internet marketing site after Christmas - there will be quite a few articles explaining issues of Search Engine Optimisation. If you ever feel bored you'd be welcome to pop by and read up. :)
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: writeto on December 14, 2003, 05:47:53 PM
I, Brian,

I may not be an accountant or a marketing rep. but I have no idea what you meant by forum links devalued. The economic definition of devalued does not apply in this manner. Unless you are asserting that people lessen the value of a forum depending on the software it is running. If this is what you are trying to say then... ok.
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Gobalopper on December 14, 2003, 05:53:03 PM
Google recently changed the way they rank sites and because of this some sites were "devalued" or dropped in the search results.
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: I, Brian on December 15, 2003, 02:43:47 AM
Well, it's not quite those things.

What I mean is that Search Engine Optimisation usually deals specifically with Google - to help sites for specific keywords rank very high for searches.

Now, one way that Google works out the ranking of a page is being calculating it's PageRank (a proper noun).

Every web page is allocated a certain minimum value of PageRank. This can be "voted" to other pages by linking to them. Therefore when lots of webpages are all linking to the same page, then that page will effectively have a much higher PageRank than usual.

Google uses this PR value as a modifier of how well a page would rank in the SERPs (search engine ranking pages).

Because of this, people involved with Search Engine Optimisation (SEO) would often focus on generating PR for pages they wanted to see rank high.

One way to do this is to generate lots of pages and have them point to a single page...and this is precisely what vB 3 and phpbb 2 has been doing.

Google seems to have implemented something to it's algorithm (last week, actually) that seems to automatically devalue not only these extraneous pages (ie, assign them far less PR - if any), but also the links on these pages (ie, signature links are now almost worthless for SEO purposes).

(Btw - this is a different update to the infamous Florida update of mid-November that was referenced in a post above.)

Now, looking around the SMF forum, there are about 900 threads indexed. A lot of these threads - unlike vBulletin or phpbb threads - actually have individual PR showing on the Google toolbar - a PR of 3 seems quite common.

What this means is that - whatever is happening to devalue pages in vBulletins and phpbbs - does not appear to be happening to SMF threads.

To cut to the short of it all - SMF could be a very useful form of forum software for SEO's. Initial impression, anyway. I'm going to look more closely at this issue, though.


Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Meriadoc on December 27, 2003, 03:34:48 AM
Quote from: I, Brian on December 15, 2003, 02:43:47 AM
What this means is that - whatever is happening to devalue pages in vBulletins and phpbbs - does not appear to be happening to SMF threads.

To cut to the short of it all - SMF could be a very useful form of forum software for SEO's. Initial impression, anyway. I'm going to look more closely at this issue, though.
I don't know about anyone else, but I found that an interesting post :)
but my question is - why? Why did/does SMF escape? It has the link at the bottom of each page (copyright). is it just because it's all brand new and not many users (charter only) have the thing running?
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: I, Brian on January 17, 2004, 04:53:20 PM
Apologies for the slow reply - been through a reformat, and another coming soon.  ::)

As for the question - I think it's an issue of duplicate content - vBulletin 3, for example, duplicates the content to the nth degree - normal view, hybrid views, archive view, printer friendly view, view from post#, etc etc etc. phpbb does it to a lesser degree.

SimpleMachines threads are still hard to index (there's 800+ on Google) - but because they're not shoving PR into duplicate content that's going to be (possibly) devalued anyway, it means the threads fairly well preserve PR.

In short, on this tired night after yet another long day, I think SMF aer doing things right. :)

Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: pseudoelmo on January 19, 2004, 08:14:36 PM
Quote from: I, Brian on January 17, 2004, 04:53:20 PM
In short, on this tired night after yet another long day, I think SMF aer doing things right. :)

It would be helpful to know just how they are doing things right so that they can continue.  Do you know exactly?  Or can you surmise?
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: pulpitfire on January 26, 2004, 11:51:20 AM
Quote from: I, Brian on January 17, 2004, 04:53:20 PM
...SimpleMachines threads are still hard to index (there's 800+ on Google) - but because they're not shoving PR into duplicate content that's going to be (possibly) devalued anyway, it means the threads fairly well preserve PR...

according to Google, PR is determined by how many other sites link back to you, and what the PR of those sites is (http://www.google.com/technology/index.html ).  spidering is affected largely by whether your link url's appear static.(http://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html ). 

if this is correct, making url's look static should increase both the number of pages Google indexes, as well as the PR (since every page on every SMF forum has a link back to SMF).
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Durriken on January 27, 2004, 05:57:37 PM
WOOT Charter Member as of today!  Always loved you guys as YaBB (been there through the whole of the changes hehe) and now glad to be able to support you guys as SMF!!!! I'm happy now, my life is complete.


No I'm not reallly a wierdo *L* just excited about the new board!!
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Cloudbringer on January 30, 2004, 08:56:42 AM
Quote from: Durriken on January 27, 2004, 05:57:37 PM
WOOT Charter Member as of today!  Always loved you guys as YaBB (been there through the whole of the changes hehe) and now glad to be able to support you guys as SMF!!!! I'm happy now, my life is complete.


No I'm not reallly a wierdo *L* just excited about the new board!!

Not weird at all! It's worth getting excited about! Great stuff even in beta, so it's bound to get even more exciting as it progresses. :)
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Springer on February 07, 2004, 11:39:15 PM
Just wanted to stop by and say that I like what I've seen so far and look forward to use'n it.


Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: WXWP on February 17, 2004, 08:26:05 AM
Cool stuff Dave.... Never knew about this till recently!
Awesome!  ;D
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: truecrimson on February 26, 2004, 07:53:48 PM
I've got a weird question for you guys.  If I sign up for a Charter Membership could I give my "beta priveledges" to someone else?  I really have no interest in messing with the early betas myself(not to mention no time), and I know some who are interested in testing the software, but can't afford , or are hesistant to sign up for the Charter Membership.
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Cccddd on February 26, 2004, 07:55:34 PM
then just wait a couple weeks. seriously the public beta is soon.
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: [Unknown] on February 26, 2004, 08:00:26 PM
You can buy someone else a Charter Membership if you really want to, there's nothing wrong with that...

-[Unknown]
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: David on February 26, 2004, 08:02:47 PM
Quote from: [Unknown] on February 26, 2004, 08:00:26 PM
You can buy someone else a Charter Membership if you really want to, there's nothing wrong with that...

-[Unknown]
With that said you cannot both share the source files, each install a copy, etc.
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Jeff Lewis on February 26, 2004, 08:03:13 PM
Quote from: [Unknown] on February 26, 2004, 08:00:26 PM
You can buy someone else a Charter Membership if you really want to, there's nothing wrong with that...

-[Unknown]

And this has occured - twice so far in the way of donated membership from a generous Charter Member.
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: truecrimson on February 26, 2004, 10:51:58 PM
That might be a better route, as they are interested in testing, and I am just impatiently waiting.  Let me give some thought, and see how much I blow on E-Bay today tonight,lol.
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: figmentium on February 27, 2004, 02:44:20 AM
the membership is well worth it ;)
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: zoki on March 01, 2004, 07:52:55 PM
Do we know approximate date when public beta will be out?
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: morph on March 01, 2004, 07:53:49 PM
Before April...
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: eFishie on March 02, 2004, 12:14:29 PM
That would mean within the month.
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: pulpitfire on March 02, 2004, 12:34:18 PM
Jeff just converted his leaf site to SMF last night.  maybe the software is already done, and just being tested a little more :).
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Jeff Lewis on March 02, 2004, 01:37:31 PM
Quote from: pege on March 02, 2004, 12:34:18 PM
Jeff just converted his leaf site to SMF last night.  maybe the software is already done, and just being tested a little more :).

Actually, Unknown did the conversion...but it will be a fantastic test for load over the enxt week when we should top 500 users online at once.
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: zoki on March 02, 2004, 03:44:05 PM
Glad to hear public beta will be out soon. Looking forward to try it out.
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: garfield on March 12, 2004, 10:59:28 AM
i really looking forward to the day it will be availiable!  :P

btw: i deeply miss a simplemachines-newsletter.

thx in advance
garfield  8)
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: warrior on March 12, 2004, 11:20:10 AM
yeahh.. this is our public release "SMF 1.0 Beta 4 Public." ... but nothing to download at the moment...  :'(

8)
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Tyris on March 12, 2004, 06:23:55 PM
isnt that a little misleading... coz altho it looks like it will -be- the public release... it isnt actually public (yet) :P
shouldnt it only be labelled public once it is public >< ???
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Douglas on March 12, 2004, 06:25:43 PM
This will be a public release after the Charter Members get to view it for a bit.  No, they don't have it yet, we needed to test out some additional functionality before we even release it to the Charter Members.

Remember, versions have to start somewhere, what better place than the board that it's for?
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Owdy on March 12, 2004, 06:27:08 PM
So we get beta_4_publick  first? Really? I thought next one is publick.
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Killer Possum on March 12, 2004, 06:32:17 PM
Quote from: Douglas on March 12, 2004, 06:25:43 PM
Remember, versions have to start somewhere, what better place than the board that it's for?

That's the way I've always seen it happen :)
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Tyris on March 12, 2004, 07:08:15 PM
><

heheh, I know what you mean... I still think its ironic that people are using the 'public' version which isnt yet public :-\
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Acf on March 12, 2004, 07:12:47 PM
o well 31 march :)
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Owdy on March 12, 2004, 07:13:45 PM
Quote from: °ºo0º° on March 12, 2004, 07:12:47 PM
o well 31 march :)
So you think :P
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Acf on March 12, 2004, 07:14:47 PM
Quote from: Owdy on March 12, 2004, 07:13:45 PM
Quote from: °ºo0º° on March 12, 2004, 07:12:47 PM
o well 31 march :)
So you think :P

yup you never know :D hehe they told us that would be released soon at the beginging too :P
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Owdy on March 12, 2004, 07:15:37 PM
To be honest, i have no idea when its going out. :D
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Acf on March 12, 2004, 07:17:06 PM
[spam owdy="owdy" /][duh]
Quote from: Owdy on March 12, 2004, 07:15:37 PM
To be honest, i have no idea when its going out. :D
[/duh]
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Owdy on March 12, 2004, 07:20:23 PM
MUAHAHHAAAA! (http://koti.mbnet.fi/oskunoma/devil.gif) Go Charters!
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: eFishie on March 12, 2004, 07:26:54 PM
I wanted to be a charter. But I'm broke. :(
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Owdy on March 12, 2004, 07:30:10 PM
Quote from: <? Piranha($fx); ?> on March 12, 2004, 07:26:54 PM
I wanted to be a charter. But I'm broke. :(
Get a hair cut and get a real job :P
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: eFishie on March 12, 2004, 07:35:46 PM
How about making custom computers?
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Owdy on March 12, 2004, 07:37:23 PM
Quote from: <? Piranha($fx); ?> on March 12, 2004, 07:35:46 PM
How about making custom computers?
Sounds cool, if you get money from it ;D
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: morph on March 12, 2004, 07:39:13 PM
I'll take one, or does SMF do that too? :P
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Cccddd on March 12, 2004, 07:46:18 PM
im in the army, i get paid $2 an hour, and I could afford a charter membership...

if you want it enough, you can get it.
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: eFishie on March 12, 2004, 07:50:12 PM
I'm in high school, I get no allowance, and I can afford orange soda.

But things are going to change. I hope.
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Cccddd on March 12, 2004, 10:01:52 PM
charter membership ... $50
job at mcdonalds ... +$6/h
great support ... priceless ;)
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: [Unknown] on March 13, 2004, 01:33:09 AM
No, no; you have to do it like this:

Job at McDonalds..... less time playing video games.
Convincing your parents to buy something online.... straight A's on your report card.
Charter Membership..... $50.
The presense of mind knowing that you have SMF and great support.... priceless.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Owdy on March 13, 2004, 01:42:09 AM
How about this (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=105.msg69200#msg69200)? Is there really going to be first Charters and then publick?
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: [Unknown] on March 13, 2004, 01:55:10 AM
You already got your look at beta 4 :P.  If I release it to you guys first, I can't release it publicly as soon :P.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Owdy on March 13, 2004, 01:57:16 AM
Quote from: [Unknown] on March 13, 2004, 01:55:10 AM
You already got your look at beta 4 :P.  If I release it to you guys first, I can't release it publicly as soon :P.

-[Unknown]
I thought so too. Go publick! :D So bear was lost :P
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Elden on March 13, 2004, 07:41:39 AM
I had lingering guilt from not supporting YaBBSE after getting so much help while I was running it.  [long story made short] I haven't been entirely happy since I switched to phpBB [/long story made short], but $50 to the SMF team clears my conscience AND I get the early beta(s) as a bonus, hehe..

Good work dev team.  I'm glad I was finally able to do something to help you guys keep up the quality work you are putting into all this.
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: pulpitfire on March 13, 2004, 08:40:23 AM
do you guys ever put a download at Download.com.com?
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: bostasp on March 13, 2004, 08:43:51 AM
Quote from: pege on March 13, 2004, 08:40:23 AM
do you guys ever put a download at Download.com.com?

What, are you ill?
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: pulpitfire on March 13, 2004, 08:48:40 AM
what do you mean Bostasp?
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Acf on March 13, 2004, 10:03:15 AM
source forge ;)
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Douglas on March 13, 2004, 10:36:45 AM
Okay, so consider me duly whipped, tarred and feathered.  I was wrong about who would get the release first, Owdy.  :P
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Owdy on March 13, 2004, 10:55:22 AM
Quote from: Douglas on March 13, 2004, 10:36:45 AM
Okay, so consider me duly whipped
What? Did [Unknown] spank you also? :P
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Douglas on March 13, 2004, 11:30:24 AM
Nah.  I just stand corrected.  :)
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Cccddd on March 13, 2004, 01:19:55 PM
you were right in a way douglas... see cuz cm's got beta 4 first, and this is basically beta 4, just with several bug fixes and a theme change (nothing worth warranting a new beta number), so cm's did in fact get it first :)
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: pseudoelmo on March 15, 2004, 05:36:32 PM
What changed in the theme?
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: [Unknown] on March 15, 2004, 05:37:33 PM
Oh, nothing much ::).

-[Unknown]
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: pseudoelmo on March 15, 2004, 06:04:40 PM
Ok, said another way..  should charter members upgrade from Beta 4 to Beta 4 Public?
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: [Unknown] on March 15, 2004, 07:11:21 PM
Probably a good idea.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Cccddd on March 16, 2004, 02:55:35 AM
if you haven't manually fixed the security flaw, then definitely.
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: pseudoelmo on March 16, 2004, 02:57:31 AM
Which flaw?
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Cccddd on March 16, 2004, 03:00:09 AM
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=6842
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: pseudoelmo on March 16, 2004, 03:23:11 AM
Danke.
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Cccddd on March 16, 2004, 03:46:24 AM
for all non-charter members, this security flaw doesnt affect you as it was an issue with a private beta that has been fixed already in the public version. this is strictly a private beta issue
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Tyris on March 16, 2004, 04:09:11 AM
its still interesting to know these things tho :P
a security flaw ... heehee, *wants to know!!* ><
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Ben_S on March 16, 2004, 06:59:53 AM
And wanting is what it will remain ;)
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Cccddd on March 16, 2004, 03:21:03 PM
Quote from: Tyris on March 16, 2004, 04:09:11 AM
its still interesting to know these things tho :P
a security flaw ... heehee, *wants to know!!* ><

It was a flaw where if you told someone your login and password, they could login as you :P
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: foxy on March 31, 2004, 05:21:34 AM
I am using Invision for my forums, but after finding this software I am now considering changing as this is brill and a lot more going for it.
Simple to install and setup(use my own Linux server tho) and one of my admin also thinks as i do.
Will check it out over the next week or two and see what bugs I can find lol.

Thanks for your work in making this great.
Title: Re: Welcome To Simple Machines!
Post by: Jeff Lewis on March 31, 2004, 08:20:23 AM
Thanks foxy, let us know how it turns out for you :)