We are proud to announce the release of SMF 1.0 Beta 6 to Charter Members this past weekend. This will be the last release before the upcoming first Release Candidate. We will not however be releasing this beta beyond our group of Charter Members. We'd like to once again thank everyone who has helped SMF from its conception to the point it is at today and we look forward to providing you an extremely stable Final release.
Some of the major changes made in this release are:
- New smiley manager interface, including an easier admin interface and the option of adding a popup window.
- Cleaner admin interface with easy links to the most used areas.
- Search has been optimized for faster performance and many new options added to the admin interface for it.
- It is possible to set default theme settings for all users, and to force settings on members.
- Addition of database sessions to enable the forum to work correctly on poorly configured servers.
- Several new options added to the member's "look and layout" section of the profile.
- When posting a message, any errors generated will not result in the post being lost.
- The post screen will now warn you if new replies were added whilst making your post.
- Many package manager improvements. (it almost works properly now!)
- It is now possible to add as many options to a poll as you wish with javascript.
- You can limit the amount of attachments that can be added to a post.
- People can register with a wider variety of characters in there name, plus more internationalization.
Thank you for your support,
The Simple Machines Team
Next month will it be public???? It's my holidays month, and I could work on it.... :P
nope.. but maybe we'll get the Final release... :P
Screenshots of new admin area? Please! :P
;D Cool, i must test now !
Quote from: David on June 15, 2004, 01:13:33 AM
We will not however be releasing this beta beyond our group of Charter Members.
Thank you for your support,
The Simple Machines Team
Last time I checked, SMF was free.. Or is it going to be paid?
It is free!
Beta 6 is just that, a beta. We don't necessarily make all the betas open betas, as it is actually a lot more work supporting a new beta installed by thousands as opposed to hundreds. Once any bugs in Beta 6 have been fixed we will start working towards getting the RC finished, and it is then that everyone will be able to download it. Everyone will get SMF for free - just some have to wait a little longer!
Grudge
Quote from: Grudge on June 15, 2004, 09:50:04 AM
It is free!
Beta 6 is just that, a beta. We don't necessarily make all the betas open betas, as it is actually a lot more work supporting a new beta installed by thousands as opposed to hundreds. Once any bugs in Beta 6 have been fixed we will start working towards getting the RC finished, and it is then that everyone will be able to download it. Everyone will get SMF for free - just some have to wait a little longer!
Grudge
Well said. This is how the Charter Membership program has worked since the beginning of the project where they had access to betas before the first ever public beta. Beta 6 is not a critical release, but more of a point between beta 5 and RC 1. Instead of testing all of the new features with thousands of members at once, we decided to test it with a few hundred instead.
True, true, they're just trying to make the $50 the Charter Members pay to be worth it. And there's still hope to add a few features before the first RC1, and of course some extra features and snippes before the Final version is ready.
the features sounds nice. Keep up the good work. I can't wait til the finalversion will arrive.
Only for charter members, unfortunately...
I really think you guys do a great job and I would like to support SMF, but 50 bucks is a lot of money for a poor student like me :o
25 would be great.
50 bucks might seem much, but you get extra Beta versions, extra support, plus the possibility to get extra attention in support and installation matters. Plus the 50 bucks also pays for the bill this domain cost :P
Not to mention an open bar. Unfortunately to many of the guys try to play hostess after a few drinks. Their "experiments" in cross dressing scares me. :-[
If I had the dosh I would have gone for Charter ....
Even if you consider just the extra support and direct help it would be well worth it :D
just keep in mind it isn't $50/month... but just a year! That's only like $4.17/month! What are you currently paying for hosting a month guys?
:D
Yeah !
Quote from: David on June 15, 2004, 01:13:33 AM
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- Search has been optimized for faster performance and many new options added to the admin interface for it.
- People can register with a wider variety of characters in there name, plus more internationalization.
...
Sounds great .. good job.
- Search function returns Unicode numbers rather than text in searching for none English Alphabet
- Cannot register using none English alphabet
I suppose this site uses the same or greater version , hope that is only a theme problem!
Remember that you must be using a proper character set to register with, for example, Arabic characters.
-[Unknown]
Quote from: [Unknown] on June 15, 2004, 07:51:05 PM
Remember that you must be using a proper character set to register with, for example, Arabic characters.
-[Unknown]
Great :) as I hoped a theme preference.
CRAP I have to wait a month!
Quote from: Meriadoc on June 15, 2004, 06:08:55 PM
just keep in mind it isn't $50/month... but just a year! That's only like $4.17/month! What are you currently paying for hosting a month guys?
:D
So, set-up a PayPal subscription @ $4.17/mo. Larry
$50 is a bargain for the power of this software, ESPECIALLY since it went to SMF. It's faster, leaner, smarter and better all around. The guys here who work on it are also very dedicated to supporting their charter members. It's a steal @ 50 bucks!
-sidenote- any changes to the index.template file in b6?? Mine is modd'd a bit, just want to see if I have to replace it! :P GREAT WORK GUYS! YOU ROX!
Bri
nvr mind, just went to the chater group forum...
I am trying to become a charter member, but Im having trouble with my credit card...
(http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=12520.0)
I've been trying for a while now, but eventually, when I do, I'm not gonna install Beta6... I've made a lot of changes to my default theme, so installing the beta will mean making them all again.. which I don't have the time for!!! And if I WAS to put in 6, I'd rather wait for the public release, just incase its too bugy!! (Although the cookie issue that 6 sorts out could well change my mind!!)
I'm becoming a charter member to give something back, to be honest.
Jay K
As always the new beta sounds great. I don't know about everyone else, but I'm very excited about the RC coming up at some point. This software in beta is already as good as all the others are and some of them have been around for quite a while.
dewd, you have NO idea how awesome it is till you get behind the wheel and divre these betas! b5 is SOLID! You wont believe how velvety smooth the interface is. My love for forum administration has been re-awoken! ALSO, whatever they are asking to become a charter member is WAY to low for this quality product, get it while you can!
Bri
Quote from: bri on June 16, 2004, 11:12:34 PM
dewd, you have NO idea how awesome it is till you get behind the wheel and divre these betas! b5 is SOLID! You wont believe how velvety smooth the interface is. My love for forum administration has been re-awoken! ALSO, whatever they are asking to become a charter member is WAY to low for this quality product, get it while you can!
Bri
that was passionate :D
velvety, re-awoken love...
nice :)
Heh, but I must say, there are very few bugs I've seen in Beta 5, and the speed seems abit more smoothly than some other forum software. Seems like my server and SMF have been optimized to work together. So I'd say that to release a RC now in July it's good. Cause it has taken 11 months then since the project started as actually YaBBSE 1.6.0, but got developed into a new forum. I just installed Invision 2.0.0 RD5 for a user, and I must say that software contain tooooooooooo many options in the admin panel, and they still use frames. SMF uses a sleak table interface that works with every resolution without having to scroll either than vertically, with Invision you have a very messy admin interface with too much information on one place and too many sections. With SMF you have a very sleak and clean admin interface, that uses the possibility to collapse instead of having to click everywhere to access...stuff :P
SMF works better than some other forum software, I'd say even a bit better than vBulletin, but, yeah, I'm biased, as I have been with the fold since YaBBSE 1.4.1 in September 2002.
SM should allow 2 ways of getting the beta 6.
1-Charter member
The Charter member pays 50$, him or her can get the beta6 plus the apparently great support, in other words as usual.
2-Donator Member
The donator member donates a minimum of 20$ USD, him or her will be allowed to get the beta 6, but no support, and definitely no whining.
Why?
Because I don't need that kind of support, I will not pay 50$ to toss it out in the sea, and I am sure that others are thinking like me.
But if you give me the reason to donate, like getting the beta 6, I certainly would send something.
You open more ways to get funds, and of course you will make more happy people. ;D
-GiNi3D-
Quote from: GiNi3D on June 17, 2004, 06:28:55 AM
SM should allow 2 ways of getting the beta 6.
1-Charter member
The Charter member pays 50$, him or her can get the beta6 plus the apparently great support, in other words as usual.
2-Donator Member
The donator member donates a minimum of 20$ USD, him or her will be allowed to get the beta 6, but no support, and definitely no whining.
Why?
Because I don't need that kind of support, I will not pay 50$ to toss it out in the sea, and I am sure that others are thinking like me.
But if you give me the reason to donate, like getting the beta 6, I certainly would send something.
You open more ways to get funds, and of course you will make more happy people. ;D
-GiNi3D-
Donate
v. give, contribute
You are destroying the whole idea of donating, because you want something in return and that isin't the nature of donating.
How about Test Member or something that pay $5 to get that closed beta version. Cause then he's paying a price to get a closed upgrade, that's originally based to the Charter Members. Like 10% of what the Charter Members are paying, to download that beta version. But the member will be on his own with installation, upgrade and stuff like that.
This isin't a market, the Charter program was set to give special users new beta versions so they can have it faster and they can help find new bugs by testing it.
So every support that charter members get, it helps the team find bugs and errors to fix for the next release.
The point is - we already have more than enough beta testers in the charter members. Too many beta testers in closed testing can actually affect development in a negative way as you get duplicate bug reports, bugs that have already been fixed etc - and each time it's brought up it has to be answered. Everyone does get to see the betas when they are made public but I see no benefit in having 500+ "private" beta testers.
I think it's worth remembering that the Dev Team are not under any obligation to make the Betas available publicly or for free, but they have done so to allow us all to get a better feel of the software and its interfaces etc.
Personally I think it is very generous of them to do that for us and I for one have no problems with waiting until the Charter Members have had a chance to test it and the Dev Team have decided the time is right to go with a release.
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You are destroying the whole idea of donating, because you want something in return and that isin't the nature of donating.
I'm not destroying any nature of anything, it was just an idea, a thought, the word donation can be associated with any other way of thinking.
Imagine I'm not even using SMF live, I'm still in the evaluation period, I just don't mind to pay to get a taste of something new, even if at the end I chose a competitor's board, I loose money you say? No, because it was a kind of donation.
I just want the beta 6 to see what it can accomplish, and what I can do with it, and all of my mods that will come out of it, subsequently will be for the community too!
It was my attempt to get the beta 6 for a fee, but with no support, you know it's not only SMF that feels generous, clients as well! like I said, I'm still under evaluation, it's cool to know that somebody is eager to pay for an "evaluation" software, beta on top of that, Don't you think?
Regards
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The difference is that SMF is free. Period. Simply, certain beta versions are not publicly available (eg. free) because it would take us too much time to answer questions about it.
We know there are bugs in Beta 6, and giving it to charter members is a way of finding them. Now, we're willing to do this because with the support we give charter members we should be able to help them through any bugs and solve them.... so that they don't have to worry about it.
However, I at least am not willing to give everyone a beta that I know has bugs in it, and then say, "you're on your own." I will not do that. Nor will I support a beta when 3 people are reporting the same bug a day, all wanting the satisfaction of not only being answered but being told they found a new bug.... but they didn't.
Perhaps a good compromize is a demo forum. You may see one in a little while.
-[Unknown]
A demo forum would be awesome ;D
I insist in the possibility of seeing some screenshots of admin site...
Quote from: [Unknown]
Perhaps a good compromize is a demo forum. You may see one in a little while.
That would be thoughtful. ;)
[edit: fixed my name ;).[/edit]Thx.
Quote from: Skoen on June 17, 2004, 12:42:28 PM
A demo forum would be awesome ;D
It is very close to being ready for everybody to play with.
Quote from: dracomiconia on June 17, 2004, 01:02:08 PM
I insist in the possibility of seeing some screenshots of admin site...
oh you'll get more than that! like David said it's coming!
(just whetting appitites past the frenzy they are already at ;))
i thought it was charter member only release?
Quote from: Knippy on June 21, 2004, 11:51:06 AM
i thought it was charter member only release?
No, it's available to the public, but Charter members get it a few days before everyone else
??? As far as I know, Beta 6 will only b available for CM's. RC1 will be for all. /me thinks about it
::)
Quote from: Knippy on June 21, 2004, 11:51:06 AM
i thought it was charter member only release?
If you know anyone using Beta 6 who is NOT a charter/team member please inform us. :)
Quote from: Grudge on June 17, 2004, 07:21:51 AM
The point is - we already have more than enough beta testers in the charter members. Too many beta testers in closed testing can actually affect development in a negative way as you get duplicate bug reports, bugs that have already been fixed etc - and each time it's brought up it has to be answered. Everyone does get to see the betas when they are made public but I see no benefit in having 500+ "private" beta testers.
Does that mean there's a cap to the number of charter members? ;) Sorry, I couldn't resist.
For the record, I totally agree with this methodology. It makes sense and keeps things organized. If you *need* a feature that's in B6, scrape together the money, otherwise wait like the rest of us. ;D
I'm sure money talks, so I doubt there will be a cap.
It is something that would be addressed when it becomes a problem. Obviously, we care about the Charter Membership program for a multitude of reasons and wish it to be successful both for us and all of you.
The Beta 6 version has been with the Charter Members for a couple of weeks now, I was just wondering how things are going with the testing?
I appreciate that specifics probably get discussed in depth in the Charter Members own board but I was just curious if there's any general feedback as we don't seem to be seeing many bug reports for this site (running 6) ... and that's a good sign, right?
Since most of the changes are on the admin side of things, it makes sense that there'd be few
"public" bug reports...
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Not SMF's fault though :D
The carrot is worth the wait :P
Nice... Did you make that or did you copy it from somewhere else? :)
I copied it... I'm not about to spend two hours making some ascii drawing :D
Would've done it w/ a picture... except I wasn't on my own computer when posting that :P
After you no longer have "secret betas" to release to charter members and the final package has been released, what incentive is there going to be for people to spend money to become members?
Additionally, I've made a couple betas in my time... and I know from experience that a couple hundred beta testers is ok, but thousands is better. For example, my board has over 10k users, which is a rare thing for many forums to have. I stress tested several forum programs before using SMF. Did you know that PHPBB doesn't handle 10k users very well? :) Anyway, the more people you have using the software, the more likely you are to find the bugs and glitches in the code. The hassle of supporting so many people would be paid off in the long run, as you won't have to make SMF 2.1 to fix the bugs you found when 2.0 came out to the public.
Personally, I've made enough changes to SMF that I don't want to fiddle with it or try upgrading until the final comes out. :) I just don't think a paid membership for a free program is a very wise idea. Instead, take donations, or charge for server-hosted forums or something. Maybe I just don't see the value in your membership, and that's OK. But I do see a flaw in your closed 6 reasoning. Just thought I'd share with you. :)
- priority support
and
- early future betasfor those who like to fiddle. you dont want to now, so wait :)
i'm installing b6 right now, i prob wont upgrade again for a while unless there are probs, or security fixes.
on the beta thing.. secondary betas will go to the wider group before release anyways.. so its not like its going to release without that wider testing like you seem to be suggesting.
Heheh, here we go again....
Beta 5 was sent out to the "thousands" because it was fairly stable. Beta 6 was sent to the smaller group because it's likely to have "obvious" feedback. I.E. most of the 1,000 beta testers would have reported the same bug, wasting a lot of time/resources.
And if you want to think of the charter program as donations, then that's cool too. :)
Most legit programs have a closed beta group to ferret out the big bugs, then a public beta group to find the harder/smaller ones...
we have been through this a lot of times.
i've been a charter since day 1, my main point was for support. i wasnt really too fussed about the early beta's. (apart from the very first one to fiddle with..).
and only now am i upgrading my yse board to smf.. at b6..
I'm sorry, ipggi, but I'm going to have to disagree. The difference between 200 and 2000 beta testers is duplicate reports, and more work. Especially if there is a section in the beta that I know needs polish (for example, it was changed to members could see their own IPs, but this wasn't totally done yet.) we would receive a comment about that once every other day with too many beta testers.
The next release won't be final. And, the next release will be RC1 and it will be for everyone. But, until that is ready this beta will not be for everyone. It may find less glitches, but think of it this way: I want to find 90% of the glitches now, to reduce support, and then find the other 10% with the larger group of beta testers (which are needed to find that 10%) instead of finding all 100% with the full group.
In fact, before even Charter Memeber releases, there is of course a period in which the team only gets it. With this, we hope to find the most important and noticable bugs so the Charter Members won't have to deal with them, and won't report them like mad.
This system does indeed lower the number of releases needed.
Read: http://unknown.network32.net/tutorial.simple-machines
And, yes, as Mike Bobbit says... all legit programs have some sort of testing period for their releases, including Microsoft, Mozilla, Norton, and even phpBB.
-[Unknown]
QuoteAnd, yes, as Mike Bobbit says... all legit programs have some sort of testing period for their releases, including Microsoft, Mozilla, Norton, and even phpBB.
And not to mention also that "PHP" also is coming out with new additions to itself as well all the time this is going on here at SMF, and those new things may need to be looked at along with any bugs found along the way.
So these new "PHP" softwear updates may need looked at by the SMF team befor releasing from within as well to make it a smoother transition as well for "
US" the end users. And that is what the Team is working for is a better package for "
US" the "
END USERS", not just the beta members or charter members.
off topic: Hey guys, is there gonna be a Russian version of SMF ? That's the only thing I really need... :o
Quote from: Rafon on June 27, 2004, 02:33:55 AM
off topic: Hey guys, is there gonna be a Russian version of SMF ? That's the only thing I really need... :o
Please search the forum here. There are enough topics aboput other languages files.
*cough*
I know this is an annoying question...
*cough*
I read somewhere SMF's RC was going to be released in July... Is this true?
My phpBB forum crashed completely last friday and I'm thinking this might be a good point to switch to SMF. I just don't feel like giving them an only half-completed piece of software like beta 5 and I'm hosting the site for somebody else so I'm not about to pay $50 for a charter membership for somebody elses site.
So.. if I could install the SMF beta 5 right now and know that in only a few weeks the Release Candidate will be released this would certainly help me quite a bit in solving my current (horrible) situation. I don't even need an exact date... just a good guess telling me what to expect... :D
There is nothing wrong with beta5 to my recollection, certainly nothing your users would complain about.
Quote from: Daniel D. on June 27, 2004, 03:40:13 AM
Quote from: Rafon on June 27, 2004, 02:33:55 AM
off topic: Hey guys, is there gonna be a Russian version of SMF ? That's the only thing I really need... :o
Please search the forum here. There are enough topics aboput other languages files.
Yes or No answer would work better for me, bro...
ThanX anyway, I'll look up
If someone translates it yes, if not no, I've no idea whether anyone is working on translating it though, of course, if noone is, you could always offer.
Quote from: Ben_S on June 27, 2004, 04:12:27 PM
If someone translates it yes, if not no, I've no idea whether anyone is working on translating it though, of course, if noone is, you could always offer.
I've seen that omebody's working on it...well...I could translate too...well..I won't post anything else in this topic, cuz it's about Beta 6...ThanX alot for your cooperation, man
Quote from: Burpee on June 27, 2004, 03:37:47 PM
*cough*
I know this is an annoying question...
*cough*
I read somewhere SMF's RC was going to be released in July... Is this true?
My phpBB forum crashed completely last friday and I'm thinking this might be a good point to switch to SMF. I just don't feel like giving them an only half-completed piece of software like beta 5 and I'm hosting the site for somebody else so I'm not about to pay $50 for a charter membership for somebody elses site.
So.. if I could install the SMF beta 5 right now and know that in only a few weeks the Release Candidate will be released this would certainly help me quite a bit in solving my current (horrible) situation. I don't even need an exact date... just a good guess telling me what to expect... :D
Nobody knows when RC1 will be out. It might be July, but it could also be August or (hopefully not) even September before RC1 is out. It depends on a lot of things - how many bugs are found, what features the devs decide to implement, how much time the devs have to fix the bugs that have been found, etc. Please be patient. RC1 will be out when it's ready and not a day sooner.
Thanks for the response. I'll decide on wether or not to install SMF next wednesday when I'm done with school. This phpBB issue is giving me the worst headache ever...
I'm not a newb, but when I have a subdomain forum.domain.com that is linking to a forum in domain.com/forum/, and they are actually two completely different forums while the one in the subdomain is apparently deattached from the mySQL database on my server but is still completely functional but to only 50% of my visitors... well when that happens I begin to start wondering if this is not all just a bad dream...
*pinches self*
grr... apparently I'm still awake... :'(
IMHO, maybe folks will still be interested in SMF by September, maybe they won't. The developers already know this fact. The developers won't release it until they feel it's ready for release. Period.
I don't get why all the whinning about when SMF is coming out and why you guys can't seem to understand the language anymore.
It will be out when it's released.
I also have it on good authority that they plan a big splash with beer and hot wings and we are all invited.
Ok, I made up the last part but when it's released, Im having beer and hot wings! ;)
-Jazhawk
This whole topic is stupid, besides the first comment. get over it.
Quote from: stevebor1 on June 29, 2004, 05:41:46 PM
This whole topic is stupid, besides the first comment. get over it.
Muhahahaha!!!
Quote from: stevebor1 on June 29, 2004, 05:41:46 PM
This whole topic is stupid, besides the first comment. get over it.
Yeah right :D
SHhhhhh!
Don't let this out friends I did something just now and found out the answer that we all have been looking for!
Instead of clicking on page 5 of this thread I clicked on page 1 and found the answer that has been looked for by almost all posts on most of page 1 and all of page 2 - 5 in this thread.
If you want to find out the secret of when "Release Candidate", will be released,
don't tell anyone where you got this information, and don't let anyone see you click on the little #1 above to go look at page "ONE" of this thread.
Then sneak a peek at the top post in the thread and find your answer there in paragraph 1 of the post.
Snuffy the Sniffer of Supper Secret Stuff !P.S.
OR just read this Quote! . . . . . . . . . . :P
QuoteWe are proud to announce the release of SMF 1.0 Beta 6 to Charter Members this past weekend. This will be the last release before the upcoming first Release Candidate. We will not however be releasing this beta beyond our group of Charter Members. We'd like to once again thank everyone who has helped SMF from its conception to the point it is at today and we look forward to providing you an extremely stable Final release.
Thank you for your support,
The Simple Machines Team
There! now I am going to go play some Golf while I wait for the release . . . . ;)
Referring back to my original post ....
Quote from: Fizzy on June 25, 2004, 06:31:27 AM
The Beta 6 version has been with the Charter Members for a couple of weeks now, I was just wondering how things are going with the testing?
I appreciate that specifics probably get discussed in depth in the Charter Members own board but I was just curious if there's any general feedback as we don't seem to be seeing many bug reports for this site (running 6) ... and that's a good sign, right?
I have been keeping a close eye on the "Site Bug Reports" section and judging by the
lack of reported bugs for Beta 6 on this site it looks like it must be pretty stable
Way to go Dev Team :D That's really encouraging to see :)
^ uh thats because they're in the charter member support forums ;)
What I mean is that simplmachines.org is currently running Beta 6 so in a way we are testing the front end of it right here and now. If we aren't seeing front end bugs that's good, yes?
Hopefully the same can be said for the back-end for the Charter guys ;D
It's just my way of giving a bit if encouragement to the Dev team :D
By now we are allready testing beta 6+ here ;)
Hey SMF team...can you beat IPB 2.0 in speed and features...please ...thanks
i am now using SMF....
We'll... we're not going to have as many features as IPB for a long time - if not ever. Mainly because it's bloated to the top with stuff you will most likely never need. Speed we should be able to do though. :D
Quote from: fastforum on July 04, 2004, 02:13:24 PM
Hey SMF team...can you beat IPB 2.0 in speed and features...please ...thanks
i am now using SMF....
Grudge is right. IPB appears to be promoting themselves as a "professional" system now, and the latest PDR (Public Development Release) shows this. It is bogged down with all kinds of useless "advanced" features such as the ability to run MySQL queries from the admin center (not a good idea - this could be abused easily), export emoticon sets (why is this useful), and all kinds of other stuff. I figured out that it includes a total of 215 different settings options, and also includes the ability to add even more settings options. So, while SMF may never match IPB 2.0 in terms of features, it will always be better because it doesn't include a ton of stuff that you don't need.
SMF over IPB for me any time...
I've just been looking at one primary downside to SMF that I (and several of my members told me today that they) have been looking at.
The whole of the SMF board just tends to look cluttered. There is so much information on each page and it's just hard for newbies to recognize everything easily. This is also caused by a lot of xx-small font sizes, which make certain text hard to read even at 800x600 (for my dad it's virtually unreadable). Another thing is that the screen is just too horizontally oriented at times, when most people actually prefer a vertical use.
There should be a balance between having a page with no line breaks (horizontal) and a linebreak between every character (vertical). If the page is too horizontal, it will be harder to read and equally so when it is too vertical. It is however easier to read vertically than it is horizontally. Hope I explained this concept properly and didn't confuse you guys :D
I know these things are all theme related and that themes are (ofcourse) left to us, the people using the software, but I'm just attempting to give comments on SMF in general :)
Yes i believe...but can anyone here release a bug free chat bubbles theme? huhuhu
Just go to View -> Text Size -> Larger. Makes everything bigger.
-[Unknown]
Or if you have a wheel mouse, hold CTRL key and scroll the wheel.
I have used IPB and SMF. Here is some valuable input to take into consideration.
I used the latest version of IPB for my board needs before switching over to SMF. I started looking around for another board to use because of a serious security concern with IPB, which was the ease with which it could be hacked down. My IPB message board was hacked into twice, and the hacking finally took the IPB based board I was using complety off line, and the result was that I lost everything in the board - a board that had close to 1,000 members in it at the time.
I have found SMF to be safer than IPB in regards to hacking. SMF is also more user friendly than IPB, for both the administrator and the general / member user.
Give the developers and the charter members the time they need to complete the BETA process, and don't get impatient. What little time we have to wait until the final release will be worth the wait.
I am currently using the BETA 5 version and have had no major problems with it, which is much more than I can say for the IPB board program I was previously using - a program that was filled with problems.
To what I consider as IPB trolls posting here to disuade others from using SMF - please go elsewhere. SMF is a great program.
SMF Is the Best Board I have ever seen after i used PHPBB AND IPB/
I will say all of my friends to use it and make this team a great success.
Hehe thats easy,
phpBB has security leaks and IPB doesnt have very much functionality :P
I think this is the wrong place to ask for a truly unbiased opinion. Folks here obviously prefer SMF for one reason or another, otherwise we'd all be on the IBP forums! ;)
They are all still there and NOT here, just becuse they don't know any better! Once they figure out whats up, they will be here also! :)
I wonder what IPB author trying to do, IPB has become a big bunch of unusable garbage that nobody normal forum board user need!
I think nobody want to config IPB because of millions of different settings. I have observed IPB support boards has suspended all kind of support for newer versions and this is a mark of IPB become too complicated and most users run for seek another soft.
This is still good software, if you not start to add more options that nobody can use as rights on forums, little complicated biuild of easy thing ;)
BTW. Is it long time left before this beya 6 arrive :=)
Quote from: CM on July 06, 2004, 06:54:15 PM
BTW. Is it long time left before this beya 6 arrive :=)
Beta 6 is a stop-gap release for Charter Members, so the next scheduled public release should be RC1.
Quote from: [Unknown] on July 05, 2004, 08:00:03 PM
Just go to View -> Text Size -> Larger. Makes everything bigger.
-[Unknown]
Quote from: Fizzy on July 06, 2004, 06:46:34 AM
Or if you have a wheel mouse, hold CTRL key and scroll the wheel.
This is something that I don't agree with... IMO. I don't like having to change my font size for one page/site. Mainly because it means you have changed it for every other page that you then open, and just looks wrong on most sites. Or you then have to change it back when you're done... ok so it's just a quick flick of the finger but doing it everytime you visit and leave that site it would just get annoying... also you loose information when you do that... eg, on this page you would loose some of the text on the right hand side...
I don't do it for this site, but there are some sites I'd like to visit but don't cos of their xx-small fonts for main content and it's hard on the eyes.
Sorry for bringing this off topic... just though I'd throw in my two cents on that! I'll shut up now! :-X
I didn't even intend to bring this back up, but I do certainly agree with Cypher7.
I just didn't want to say any more about it because I do know that design is not the coder's responsibility, but the designer's responsibility. That is - if we dislike the layout, we should just design one ourselves, right? Don't worry though, it will eventually all be straightened out :D
(Oh my, (even more off topic (but interesting) lol) I just killed 8 bugs with three slaps at my monitor (insane amount of bugs in here))
Quote from: Cypher7 on July 06, 2004, 06:56:59 PM
Quote from: [Unknown] on July 05, 2004, 08:00:03 PM
Just go to View -> Text Size -> Larger. Makes everything bigger.
-[Unknown]
Quote from: Fizzy on July 06, 2004, 06:46:34 AM
Or if you have a wheel mouse, hold CTRL key and scroll the wheel.
This is something that I don't agree with... IMO.
And thats exactly why SMF makes it easy for you to change.
I am prolly wrong on my thinking here, although I read somewhere that the whole SMF project started on July 25, 2003.
Now, my thinking is that is the date they are holding out to release RC1 then or they are working hard to meet that date! Maybe just a female mind here, but Release of RC1 one year later?
hmmmm Just a thought! :)
Quote from: Alisha on July 07, 2004, 10:51:57 AM
I am prolly wrong on my thinking here, although I read somewhere that the whole SMF project started on July 25, 2003.
Now, my thinking is that is the date they are holding out to release RC1 then or they are working hard to meet that date! Maybe just a female mind here, but Release of RC1 one year later?
hmmmm Just a thought! :)
Technically, the whole SMF project was "announced" on July 19th, 2003 at the YaBB SE Chat Session. You can still read the transcript. Go to the YaBB SE forum and look at the "YaBB SE Chat Transcript" post in the Announcements section. As far as "holding out" - no, they're just trying to make sure they get as many bugs fixed as possible and also want to finalize any features for version 1.0. Like I have said several times, I think that RC1 will be out sometime within the next few months. The developers are hard at work and will continue to work hard until they get the system the way they want it...
RC will be released when it's ready. There is no specific anniversary date or otherwise we aim for. Once we are happy we are ready it will arrive. There are more things than just the code itself which needs to be ready for RC.
I wonder when my birthday is? Hmm....
-[Unknown]
what i liked in smf is the support,
Normally in other BB's you won't get support from the developers, only the members do answer your questions/
that is not in case of SMF, and more over SMF is much secure that IPB and also has some features that i like in SMF which is not in IPB.
so more over SMF is the best than any forum software, and the next rc release could make an great change in the forum industry.
Well not ONLY is the SMF Support the best in the computer industry! I have also, started to Learn PHP from this forum!
[Unknown], BabylonKing, and several others have help myself and others so much, and not only with SMF problems, but other things as well to the point of where I now understand PHP.
Never will find that on IVP, MS, NETSCAPE or any other support forum!
I need help:
I translate my old phpBB forum to a SMF; but the quotes of phpBB are
Quote from: Autor
How I can make that the SM Forum recognice this whitout editng all post with a quote?
FYI, this is already being discussed here:
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=13466.0
Although this would take out every set of empty quote tags (perhaps not a bad thing!), I think you could cure it by running a query to change all instances of opening and closing quote tags in immediate juxtaposition (ie no content) to closing tags only, but there might be some side effect there I haven't thought of.
Cleaned up this thread.
Quote from: Mike Bobbitt on July 06, 2004, 04:06:33 PM
I think this is the wrong place to ask for a truly unbiased opinion. Folks here obviously prefer SMF for one reason or another, otherwise we'd all be on the IBP forums! ;)
Why? Many of us
have really tried other forum software and can make a comparison ;)
Good point. I've converted several forums from other software to SMF, so I guess I've made my decision... ;)
Quote from: Alisha on July 08, 2004, 03:26:30 AM
Well not ONLY is the SMF Support the best in the computer industry! I have also, started to Learn PHP from this forum!
You know I tought myself PHP with YaBB SE 1.1. :)
Quote from: David on July 14, 2004, 10:08:03 PM
Quote from: Alisha on July 08, 2004, 03:26:30 AM
Well not ONLY is the SMF Support the best in the computer industry! I have also, started to Learn PHP from this forum!
You know I tought myself PHP with YaBB SE 1.1. :)
As did I with modding YaBBSE 1.5.1 and SMF :)
Quote from: Grudge on July 15, 2004, 04:03:58 AM
Quote from: David on July 14, 2004, 10:08:03 PM
Quote from: Alisha on July 08, 2004, 03:26:30 AM
Well not ONLY is the SMF Support the best in the computer industry! I have also, started to Learn PHP from this forum!
You know I tought myself PHP with YaBB SE 1.1. :)
As did I with modding YaBBSE 1.5.1 and SMF :)
And I've been doing (slowly!) over two-and-a-half years of involvement with YaBB SE and SMF... ;)
programmin' php for a while now, but if the software im currently letting my boardmembers testing out (Beta5) is for them what is it for me, what's the whole deal with wanting Beta6 or RC1 that badly, upgrademadness???
seriously, i just (other thread, had a few) upgraded flawlessly from ipb to smf, with only two (very minor) issues. We use the calendar function alot, but since we have not many events planned for next year (yet) the 'do-it-manually' approach will do (else i would have to use the ipb-event->smf-holiday script or write my own one)
the other is i used to have link-'forums' (ipb) or clickable->follow link->boards as you will, a feature from ipb which lets you create a 'forum' (or board) when clicked sends you off to another url, nice feature, but could do without it (only used it because it was in IPB and liked to count the clicks :-) )
soooo .... im glad with what SMF offers, and the whole reason to upgrade consists out of two things, since IPB changed their license there is no way to use it 'other-than-30-day-trial' when upgrading (or even downloading current) version ... the other is i liked the functionality and looks of ipb highly above phpbb2 which 'isn't my kind of thing' so to say ... and with a fully functional ipb2smf convertor it's in my users hands right now, but knowing the 'heavy' users among them i don't think they want to stay with a (perhaps) insecure not-updated IPB anymore ....
only thing is i didn't know smf existed untill i recently was working with Mambo which i found to be very pleasing (and discovered that due to the gallery (menalto) docs saying you could embed gallery into mambo) ... and from that discovered howto embed SMF into mambo and .... as far as i decide, it's gonna be SMF and beta5 will be just fine ... just depends on the releases and functionality of rc1 or others when to upgrade, but whats the rush???
Happy user from holland!
^ there is no rush...
the next version (RC1 for all) will have bug fixes AND new features.
i'm not sure if CM's are gonna get RC1 a lil early or not.. b6 could be seen as that in some ways.
Quote from: compa on July 15, 2004, 08:43:17 AM
the other is i used to have link-'forums' (ipb) or clickable->follow link->boards as you will, a feature from ipb which lets you create a 'forum' (or board) when clicked sends you off to another url, nice feature, but could do without it (only used it because it was in IPB and liked to count the clicks :-) )
You may want to look at my package server for my "redirect boards" mod. I do believe that is what you are after...
SMF IS best, i won;t change my mind/
Nor apparantly your love of ending every line with a slash... :P
Habits Are hard to die, not used it here.
I learned PHP from YSE and BN and some other projects I was working on
Has this been spun in to a "How did you learn PHP?" thread ? ;D
Suppose it's just a sort of 'stream of consciousness' thing!
But it's fascinating to see how many self-taught PHP'ers there are - That's so good to see. :)
Euhm, it's the only way to learn PHP in my opinion and if you know some basic programmin' skills its a fairly simple way to program webapplications
Strange lol but true, I learned php scripts and a bit on coding just from editing my forums template! (www.icyrealm.com/smf)
btw I LOVE all the small comments or descriptions, they help ALOT! :)
I am learning PHP, but still could not find an nice book to get in/
What are you talking about, there is no "30-day-trial" period on IPB, it is for addon things etc. etc.
You can use your downloaded soft as long as you want, and update it! Do not tell us lies ;)
Quote from: compa on July 15, 2004, 08:43:17 AM
since IPB changed their license there is no way to use it 'other-than-30-day-trial' Happy user from holland!
im not ....
QUOTE
The Company, at its discretion, may offer a free trial download of
Invision Power Board available on its web site and certain authorized
distributors. Use of this free trial is also provided under the terms of
this Agreement with the additional notice that no technical support
or service for the free trial download will be provided by the
Company. Permanent use of the software requires purchasing the
license.
that tiny bit of text at the end was inserted in the license a month ago .... so it's trial software which you can use UNLIMITED to TRY but need to purchase to use it permanent ... eg. for testing you can use it, but production requires license ... this is the reason for sites like www.invisionpower.nl to quit all work and support they did on IPB (as the original IPB-portal from Bouke and the dutch language translations)
so ... i'm not lying ... they just inserted this tiny text in they're license, and ofcourse (in most countries by law) previous downloaded ipb-bundles (containing the original license without the requirement of purchase) are still free, but upgrading or downloading it now means committing to their new license ...
would i be lying to install SMF .... i think it's a nice piece of software and we're definitly upgrading our current IPB board within a few weeks, but if IPB hadn't changed licenses i don't think i would have ported the forum at all (it's nice playing though, but i have to work for the living!)
so ... please don't call me a liar ... it's just a change of invision's point of sales ...
greeTz
Don't waste your breath, Compa. CM here is a troll, he picks on anyone who says IPB isn't better and tries to stir commotion. He's been temporarily banned for it before, and I may have to see who's against making that permanent if he wants to cause more arguments and agitation.
While I think Invision Power Board is a perfectly good product, and I think their licensing changes are indeed interesting... I would prefer this, usually very heated for some reason, topic was not discussed here. Feel free to talk about Invision, the forum or organization, so long as you're not arguing or getting heated about it - or causing others to do those things.
Self taught programmers are, almost always, better than school taught ones - so long as they know it. School taught ones don't have the drive, and don't think outside the box.... self taught ones do. This is, of course, a very wide generalization.
-[Unknown]
Righto ... i wont waste my keyboard or breath than ... thx for the info ... besides i wasn't 'bout to start an argument, just happen to like SMF very much, still learning how everything falls into place with it though ... but that's with every new piece of software ...
did i mention droppin out of my programming courses at school because they were boring? i did, never liked psd's and stuff something, and thinking outside the box is what i earn my money with nowadays as a unix specialist for various customers ... but back on topic, i'll try and look what i can do with smf, besides changing to it anyhow as far as the co-admin on the website i'm switching and i already agreed upon (depends on our users though) ... but after that im gonna take a plunge into the code and see where i can be of assistence in terms of smf and/or mods .... besides, feel free to moderator/move my and CM's post the clean up the thread (deleting them would be oil on fire for CM i guess)
cheers!
Hector Gonsales ???
UPDATE: I see that it's Unknown
He's just a cheater.... :P
I was trying to find a topic I knew he had posted... looking some words in posts by Author [Unknown].... nothing.... another words, nothing, nothing, ¡Nothing!
At last, I saw the change in his name....
Like there could be any other member id '#2' with over 12,000 posts to his credit 8) ;D
I want RC1 :'(
RC1 will be released soon, if u need beta 6 go for charter.
IPB SUCKS, SMF IS BEST.
spechack starting to go up in flames ?
i'd like to see my smf test board go production in a few days to determine if it's at least ipb-level or (expected) above it ... for now my users are all at ipb, but if nobody has any objections to the (test) smf-board runnin' beside it, ill switch first of august ...
That would be interesting Compa.
I'm sure that no-one would argue against fair and balanced benchmarks. Speaking of benchmarks, which would you use?
i guess my forums are too small to use the term benchmarks, but comparing database structures i would say SMF should perform better in terms of calls and structure to the database (also since it doesn't have the amount of 'not-so-frequently-used-nice-2-haves-but-dunno-how-or-why-to-use-them' features :-)
IPB is good, but not enough to withstand agaisnt SMF.
i was using IPB , i had some problems, their themes donot look nice and some features are disabled.
Either Choose VB or SMF.
VB = $$$
SMF = $$$$ Free.
SMF was designed to be better... it has had the advantage of being able to review the competition ;)
Quote from: Overseer on July 23, 2004, 09:14:33 AM
SMF was designed to be better... it has had the advantage of being able to review the competition ;)
He who laughs last laughs longest ;D
That's the nature of the world I guess. SMF has learned from many of the mistakes made by others, no doubt one day there will be a successor to SMF. In the meantime though .............. :D
anyway.. what is smf license? gpl? I`m too lazy to download the smf setup files just to see the license. txt. :P
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/license.txt
- Rpg Cyco
Hm.... is it GPL compatible license?
No, it's not GPL, it's been specifically drawn up for Simple Machines and is substantively different!
uhm... i don`t really understand the license very well. But is the license allow me to use it for commercial purpose such as put banner ?
Assuming you're asking if you can add commercial banners to your forum (?), yes, you can do that! Where the licence is most restrictive is regarding distribution (no further distribution without written consent, and none at all for payment) and copyright (no removal of the copyright notices whatsoever).
Quote from: Overseer on July 23, 2004, 09:14:33 AM
SMF was designed to be better... it has had the advantage of being able to review the competition ;)
you are right, but SMF Final isn't still released, so the other forum software still have a little advantage, because they are already out in Final stadium.
Quote from: klumy on July 25, 2004, 05:31:20 AM
Quote from: Overseer on July 23, 2004, 09:14:33 AM
SMF was designed to be better... it has had the advantage of being able to review the competition ;)
you are right, but SMF Final isn't still released, so the other forum software still have a little advantage, because they are already out in Final stadium.
We are better than their final release i think , when the final is released we would be the BEST
Quote from: SpecHackers on July 26, 2004, 11:40:13 AM
when the final is released we would be the BEST
I think that is in no small part down to the fact the Dev Team have set themselves very high standards and are managing to surpass them.
Commendable. If only commercial software was this well tested, let alone free software.
I am truly convinced that when SMF goes Final it will send shock waves throughout the forum scripting fraternity, which I guess is why I have held on for this long. I know good Fu when I see it ;)
Very well said Fizzy. I love my SMF Boards, and you can to! Just gotta visit em! Hah, but anyway, if you want to get good support, and faster releases, shell out some cash, even at minimum wage, the money they're asking for is less than a days work. Its really not that much... And yes, I am a student, I work in the school cafeteria @ 5.15/hr parttime. It more than covers my expenses (Parties, housing, and SMF) ^^.
~TaG
being impressed by SMF (and the smooth transit from IPB) i would consider to 'shell out some cash', but first the upcoming change from IPB->SMF this weekend and something like a month of stable posts etc.
First impression is being impressed (as said), but i've still got to see it hangin' tight with users and all stressing and liking it ...
Well, check out this board itself, Its very speedy and look at all the users. Its obviously very stable, and fast. If you think its just this board, maybe visit some other members, my boards don't get TONS of traffic, but you can feel free to browse around: http://www.bnet.cc just click Forums
I'm currently trying to write my php avatar mod. Where you can pick from a few select pictures, and have an avatar made with your name on it using pure PHP. Its really not that hard. If anyone else already has one, I'd be interested to look at it, as I am not a good programmer. :)
Any examples of this type of avatar usage can be seen on sites like Blizzard, and various others, where your avatar's 'border' changes based on your rank, or something like that.
waterscouting.com and the sony-cybercam im on run on phpbb and they're happy about it ... doesn't mean i would if i were admin over there ... so like i said ... just want to see for myself ...
Is it possible to get a copy of the changelog.txt that would have come with Beta 6?
Quote from: jpaq on August 04, 2004, 02:13:43 PM
Is it possible to get a copy of the changelog.txt that would have come with Beta 6?
It was already given to public, do a search for 'changelog', and you will find it.
I already did a search and was not able to find it at all... :-\
what is the use of the txt file u asked??
Quote from: whtgoogle on August 06, 2004, 06:03:50 AM
what is the use of the txt file u asked??
It's a *changelog*, so it logs the changes from the previous version! ::)
Thanx a lot peter, so i can find out what is out in new version from the old one.
you can see the changes here >> http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=12393.0
:P
..or not, as the case may be!
"The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you."
:'(
So are you saying that you are intentionally not allowing public access to the change log? That's fine if you are, but I would just like clarification on the policy...
If not, would you mind posting it here for us?
I'm in the team but I don't know what I can post and what I can't. It's annoying - maybe funny for you, but I don't understand it, too.
Quote from: Overseer on August 06, 2004, 09:30:13 AM
you can see the changes here >> http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=12393.0
:P
Don't you just hate it when Charters post a link to the Charter Board knowing we can't get in?
That's so spiteful
lmao...
who cares about b6 anymore? ;D
lmao
well seeing as some charters are now running RC1 and also this site is RC1 - it shouldnt be long :)
Powered by SMF 1.0 RC1 :) you mean ;D
Quote from: Overseer on August 09, 2004, 04:56:38 AM
lmao...
who cares about b6 anymore? ;D
yup, the next final release is waiting
gime, gime, gime... when is it out for non chaptermembers ?! ??? 8)
the need for speed, floyds?
Powered by SMF 1.0 RC1. - Oh boy, is that a great sight or what?
I reckon it's time to start chilling down those bottles of Champers - after all the hard work they have put in I reckon the Dev Team will deserve a glass of bubbly or two ten
Quote from: Fizzy on August 09, 2004, 05:13:37 AM
Powered by SMF 1.0 RC1. - Oh boy, is that a great sight or what?
I reckon it's time to start chilling down those bottles of Champers - after all the hard work they have put in I reckon the Dev Team will deserve a glass of bubbly or two ten
hehe - I wish :)
And yes... Charter Members currently have RC1. As always they are having an initial test with it to ensure that we haven't missed anything obvious before the public release. However, as you'd imagine it means RC1 isn't too far away :)
Yes... *deep sigh*...
At last!!!
The eternal waiting is over...
Will other things be active along with the release too?...
Like the mod section and graphics section in here( the links to the left...) and "download latest xx" functions in admin section of the script?
Quote from: Bloc on August 09, 2004, 09:29:03 AM
Will other things be active along with the release too?...
Like the mod section and graphics section in here( the links to the left...) and "download latest xx" functions in admin section of the script?
Yes grudge said all will be done and finished!
Quote from: whtgoogle on August 09, 2004, 09:31:24 AM
Yes grudge said all will be done and finished!
Really? Can you show me where?
don't remember the post, but said before.
the left menu would be working soon , as the mod site is only for charters now, and soon may be released for all the members!
Quote from: whtgoogle on August 09, 2004, 09:40:01 AM
don't remember the post, but said before.
the left menu would be working soon , as the mod site is only for charters now, and soon may be released for all the members!
You just made that up, the mod site isn't completly finnished yet and so noone but team members can see it?
Quote from: Ben_S on August 09, 2004, 10:24:51 AM
Quote from: whtgoogle on August 09, 2004, 09:40:01 AM
don't remember the post, but said before.
the left menu would be working soon , as the mod site is only for charters now, and soon may be released for all the members!
You just made that up, the mod site isn't completly finnished yet and so noone but team members can see it?
Indeed.
I never said the Mod Site would be done. It's still got some work to be done on it. It *should* be done by 1.0 final, but this is just the RC...
RC1 out soon! Cool :) I kept putting off learning the template system until this came out, now I can start to get to know it!
First "SMF Beta 6"
Now "SMF 1.0 RC1"...
You guys just want us non-charter members to go crazy don't cha. I WANT TO BE SPECIAL.
Quote from: Grudge on August 09, 2004, 11:08:33 AM
Quote from: Ben_S on August 09, 2004, 10:24:51 AM
Quote from: whtgoogle on August 09, 2004, 09:40:01 AM
don't remember the post, but said before.
the left menu would be working soon , as the mod site is only for charters now, and soon may be released for all the members!
You just made that up, the mod site isn't completly finnished yet and so noone but team members can see it?
Indeed.
I never said the Mod Site would be done. It's still got some work to be done on it. It *should* be done by 1.0 final, but this is just the RC...
OK. The Release Candidate is quite enough already , but thought I should ask. ;)
Quote from: Bloc on August 09, 2004, 12:34:45 PM
Quote from: Grudge on August 09, 2004, 11:08:33 AM
Quote from: Ben_S on August 09, 2004, 10:24:51 AM
Quote from: whtgoogle on August 09, 2004, 09:40:01 AM
don't remember the post, but said before.
the left menu would be working soon , as the mod site is only for charters now, and soon may be released for all the members!
You just made that up, the mod site isn't completly finnished yet and so noone but team members can see it?
Indeed.
I never said the Mod Site would be done. It's still got some work to be done on it. It *should* be done by 1.0 final, but this is just the RC...
OK. The Release Candidate is quite enough already , but thought I should ask. ;)
Indeed. I was just annoyed someone quoted me as saying it would be done and finished without posting a link - as I couldn't remember promising that :D
Is it me or do I recall the originaly they stated that RC1 was to be public... WHAT HAPPENED?
I am getting anxious to see more
Quote from: CERT on August 09, 2004, 10:29:40 PM
Is it me or do I recall the originaly they stated that RC1 was to be public... WHAT HAPPENED?
I am getting anxious to see more
It will be public soon, CM's always get the first go. To make sure we didn't miss anything, as stated in an above post.
Quote from: Grudge on August 09, 2004, 06:54:34 AM
And yes... Charter Members currently have RC1. As always they are having an initial test with it to ensure that we haven't missed anything obvious before the public release. However, as you'd imagine it means RC1 isn't too far away :)
QuoteDARN YOU CHARTER MEMBERS! >:( You will all be smited; lmao. Spoiled brats are what they are.
I keep thinking of this. WHOA, quote button work in Firefox!
*Stares at RC1*
well indeed, grudge!
HAHAHAHAHAH