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Simple Machines => News and Updates => Topic started by: David on September 29, 2003, 09:37:55 PM

Title: SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: David on September 29, 2003, 09:37:55 PM
The Simple Machines team is happy to announce that the first beta package of SMF is now ready for all Charter Members!  Thanks go to all the people who contributed in its development, including but not limited to Compuart, [Unknown], Jeff Lewis, Gobalopper, Omar Bazavilvazo, Andrea Hubacher, Joseph Fung, and David Recordon - not to mention all the people who helped with beta testing and language file translations as well as those involved in dreaming this up.

Please do not request a copy of this beta as the license prohibits a Charter Member from distributing their copy, if they do so their Charter Membership will be revoked.  We hope to have a public beta in the near future but if you cannot wait purchase a Charter Membership today (http://www.simplemachines.org/charter.php).

Thanks for all of your support and ideas over the past few weeks, this software would not be where it is today without all of you! :)
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Tom on September 29, 2003, 09:39:14 PM
Wow! :o :D

That was a lot sooner than I thought!
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: eFishie on September 29, 2003, 09:41:29 PM
They released it! Wow, infinitely long before I thought it would be!
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Tyris on September 29, 2003, 09:43:02 PM
*cannot wait but cant afford either :'(*

I saw the news at forum-forum that it was gonna be soon ^_^

Does that mean that a public launch is about a month or so away?? *looks hopeful*

congrats to all the team!! I cant wait to for the public release!!!

*edit* also... are these forums gonna update to the beta package? (for more bug testing and feature requests ;))??
*edit2* Has anyone upgraded yet :)?? and when can we see some new SMF powered boards (c'mon you charter members!!!)
Also, are the converters completed and available too?
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Spaceman-Spiff on September 29, 2003, 10:02:09 PM
i dont think its a good idea to run the first beta on a production environment
so it will probably be done on test or small forums, or if the admin is willing to take risks ;)
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Tyris on September 29, 2003, 10:05:13 PM
mmmm... but isn't this forum basically an alpha anyway...?
I guess -being- an alpha would mean it would need some tweaking to upgrade.. I think [Unknown] said it already had some different tweaks to make it run with the rest of the site or something (charter members stuff I guess)
none the less... I'd like to see some demo's from charter members :)
*arg!! cant wait to get my hands onto the code!!*
hurry up and test this thing good charter members!!! so the public version can be released ;D
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Jeff Lewis on September 29, 2003, 10:56:47 PM
Yes this forum is running an alpha version.
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Tyris on September 29, 2003, 11:03:31 PM
whoo!! heh, I know some stuff... hmmm...
Quote
Simple Machines Community Forum | Powered by SMF 1.0 Alpha.
darn... heheh
So will it be upgraded now/later or at all anytime in the near future?
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: [Unknown] on September 29, 2003, 11:11:45 PM
whoo!! heh, I know some stuff... hmmm...
Quote
Simple Machines Community Forum | Powered by SMF 1.0 Alpha.
darn... heheh
So will it be upgraded now/later or at all anytime in the near future?

Soon.  I wanted to get the beta ready first.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Tyris on September 29, 2003, 11:16:31 PM
alright, sweet thanx for the reply ^_^
looks like us non-charter members will still get to do a bit of beta testing ^_^
*looking forward to the upgrade*
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: eFishie on September 29, 2003, 11:22:50 PM
Woot! Yeah! Non-Charter Members rock!

Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Tyris on September 29, 2003, 11:41:56 PM
Yeah!! go us!!!
*still wish I had a charter membership tho :( cursed school stopping me from having a job!!!*
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: eFishie on September 29, 2003, 11:43:15 PM
Yeah, school sucks.
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Tyris on September 29, 2003, 11:46:55 PM
amen to that (ONLY 4 weeks then exams then NO SCHOOL FOREVER!!!!)
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: eFishie on September 29, 2003, 11:49:49 PM
WHAT!? 4 WEEKS!?

I still have 8 frikkin years!
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Bouminok on September 29, 2003, 11:56:50 PM
*goes away and plays
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Tyris on September 30, 2003, 12:01:22 AM
@ <?php Piranha?>, I got 4 weeks of school... then next year I start a 3 or 5 year uni course (depends what I get into). computer Science, or Computer Science and Law :o
@ Bostasp, daaaamn yoouuuuuuu
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: eFishie on September 30, 2003, 12:08:55 AM
Are you disrespecting our dictator?
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Tyris on September 30, 2003, 12:10:24 AM
eep!
*bows low to the floor* please accept my most heartfelt apologies!! and please enjoy the SMf beta to your hearts content!!

*edit* At last!! a junior member!! (I got worried when 100 posts didnt do it for me)
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Bouminok on September 30, 2003, 12:13:08 AM
ah.... its broken my apache already...
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: eFishie on September 30, 2003, 12:16:24 AM
Sucks for you, Charter Member! :P :P :P :P :P (I would make that a : and several PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP's, but...)
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Tyris on September 30, 2003, 12:16:56 AM
really...? cool!
are you gonna put up a test board or anything at bostasp.net ??
(aren't you disrespecting him now ;) ??? )
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Bouminok on September 30, 2003, 12:21:18 AM
i'lll shove something at bostasp.com in a bit... a play board, its on my testing server now :D

...and its working Mr. Piranha... :P Apache saw it and thought, holy crap! I can't run this, its toooo good ;D
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: eFishie on September 30, 2003, 08:20:37 AM
Maybe your server just suckses?

Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Bouminok on September 30, 2003, 10:58:02 AM
Maybe your server just suckses?

Yes... that's prolly it
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: charlottezweb on September 30, 2003, 01:49:53 PM
Working perfectly for me...upgraded an existing (mod-free) board to Alpha in less than 2 minutes literally and she's running great.

Jason
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Zef Hemel on September 30, 2003, 02:03:34 PM
Is it me or am I missing [Unknown] in the list of contributors? Or is he too Unkown for that.
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Seph|roth on September 30, 2003, 02:08:32 PM
yes i noticed that too... he's prolly the one who contributed the most, code-wise at least
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Omar Bazavilvazo on September 30, 2003, 02:10:59 PM
yes i noticed that too... he's prolly the one who contributed the most, code-wise at least

Indeed he was :)
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Bouminok on September 30, 2003, 02:35:31 PM
I noticed it was actually the old list of contributors in the admin centre... and yes [Unknown] is on there "Unknown W. Brackets" :P
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Peter Duggan on September 30, 2003, 02:37:25 PM
Is it me or am I missing [Unknown] in the list of contributors? Or is he too Unkown for that.

Perhaps the announcement was drafted by [Unknown] and he was too modest to credit himself...
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: David on September 30, 2003, 02:42:57 PM
I noticed it was actually the old list of contributors in the admin centre... and yes [Unknown] is on there "Unknown W. Brackets" :P
Yeah, we forgot to update it and decided it can wiat for the next beta.

Perhaps the announcement was drafted by [Unknown] and he was too modest to credit himself...
Yep, he wrote it and I didn't catch it in my editing.
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: mattsiegman on September 30, 2003, 05:06:01 PM
i'lll shove something at bostasp.com in a bit... a play board, its on my testing server now :D

...and its working Mr. Piranha... :P Apache saw it and thought, holy crap! I can't run this, its toooo good ;D
Soi is this the first addition to the PHP part of BAland?
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Bouminok on September 30, 2003, 05:21:06 PM
i'lll shove something at bostasp.com in a bit... a play board, its on my testing server now :D

...and its working Mr. Piranha... :P Apache saw it and thought, holy crap! I can't run this, its toooo good ;D
Soi is this the first addition to the PHP part of BAland?

Might be... I haven't had permission to post the link yet... :)
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: mattsiegman on September 30, 2003, 05:34:11 PM
:)
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: eFishie on September 30, 2003, 08:53:13 PM
Yeah! Go BAland!

But I thought we had agreed on Prismia? ???
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released Windows servers?
Post by: Compuart on October 01, 2003, 11:05:36 AM
IS anyone running this with success on a windows server yet???
[Unknown] always uses IIS as local server, so I guess that's been tested enough :)
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Ben_S on October 01, 2003, 11:07:23 AM
Works fine on windows apache too.
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Bouminok on October 01, 2003, 11:10:15 AM
Works fine on windows apache too.

Crashed and burnt my windows apache though :D
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Bouminok on October 01, 2003, 11:12:19 AM
whew i use mysql :)

Urm... we all do....

Unless we're using another SQL database
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Rob on October 01, 2003, 03:54:09 PM
Seen one person who runs windows and apache and it worked great, the other it didn't!

How does it run on 1.3.X of apache on windows? Anyone tried that out?

Rob
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Bouminok on October 01, 2003, 03:56:09 PM
Seen one person who runs windows and apache and it worked great, the other it didn't!

How does it run on 1.3.X of apache on windows? Anyone tried that out?

Rob

apache 1.3.24 - crashes apache
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Peter Duggan on October 01, 2003, 05:07:28 PM
It's running here on Apache 1.3.28, but I've not subjected it to much testing yet!
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: A.M.A on October 02, 2003, 09:40:43 AM
^
totally wrong  :)
The charter members get what was closed beta before.
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Ryan on October 02, 2003, 09:45:58 AM
shadup lol whatever.... ALl i know this message board has been released to who? Charter members ONLY which u gotta pay for... its scandalus!

So us poor people and youngsters gotta sit back and watch the rich and older generation have it first..........

There should be a release for everyone to start off with...

then newer betas for charter from then on....

I mean how this has all started is unfair.
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Tyris on October 02, 2003, 09:58:30 AM
They've got 30 charter members? (thats my count).
what A.M.A said is right... it just means there are -more- specific beta testers... and by 'donating' you can be part of those special people... its about giving back to the developers.
I admit I'd like a charter membership to get my hands on the software... but really... $50 isn't worth an extra month with a 'beta' product... so I'd be happy to be supporting the developers, coz they really deserve it!

Its a donation. To help the devs. Would you prefer it if it was closed? and the donators got less (ie: near to none for their contribution) and it was tested (for a longer time) by fewer eliter members?
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Tyris on October 02, 2003, 10:22:04 AM
AARG!!!! GIMME!!!!!

*ahem*
as you can see... members such as myself are perfectly capable if restraining ourselves from killing those charter members present... ;D ;D ;D

also: note that most of us thought the release would be alot later than it looks like it will be.
just be content that when it IS releasesd, it will be the best forum available :)
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: David on October 02, 2003, 10:26:47 AM
As we have said a few times ryan, the advanced beta that Charter Members recieve would normally have just been an internal beta and thus no one outside of the team would have recieved it.  Life isn't fair, we are sorry about that but this project costs us money and just a donation link never worked in the past.  This is just a way of saying thanks to those that decide to support the project.
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Jeff Lewis on October 02, 2003, 10:28:33 AM
Ryan, do you think we get all of our webspace, servers, etc for free? The Charter Member is supposed to work in two ways.

1) It allows users a chance to get releases a little early as well as access to priority support. You'll notice this all over the place For example, I just beta tested Trillian because I was a paying member.
2) The Charter members are supporting the developers here and helping cover costs which we've shouldered for years.

The beta that the Charter Members have now is a very early copy which is sure to have some bugs. It's much easier to release to a smaller group and fix things than release it to everyone - that IS the point of the beta. Would you prefer we selected a small closed group at random?

Ou current Charter Members vary greatly in age range - yes even "youngsters" as you point out. I believe we're right around 30 Charter Members right now as well.

Once we get some more fine tuning done, it will go to a public beta. Until then, users can follow progress in the forums.
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Ryan on October 02, 2003, 10:34:04 AM
still unfair >:( grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrowl

Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Tyris on October 02, 2003, 10:34:25 AM
heh, I did an ordered member thing... order by member group... there was exactly 30 when I checked ;)
I'd like a smaller random group ;)
more chance of me getting a copy that way than of $100 australian replacing the 27c in my bank account ;) (j/k... about selection, I really do have that much in my bank account tho)
I personally wish the donation fee was a little less... coz like $50 AU I could maybe afford.... $30, I'd be happy... but $100... is too much... I can buy 6 months of good web hosting for that much... or a new video game.... and I dont have a job coz I'm in the middle of VCE... but myeh, maybe when I can afford it, I'll sign up ^_^
(really wants to help out ^_^)
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Jeff Lewis on October 02, 2003, 10:38:43 AM
It costs you $100? Wow :) For us Canadians it converts to 60 something I believe...
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Tyris on October 02, 2003, 10:41:41 AM
lol... its actually a little less now.... I'll just measure it as the cost of one video game (Gamecube or computer game)
only like $85 or something coz our dollar is going well for once...
Aussi's are always ripped off tho. (sorry guys... as poor as I am... I can't afford the loss of a video game ;))
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Jeff Lewis on October 02, 2003, 10:53:32 AM
(sorry guys... as poor as I am... I can't afford the loss of a video game ;))

Priorities man!! ;)
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Joseph on October 02, 2003, 10:56:33 AM
Just as a point of interest, the support helpdesk for charter members has been very successfull.  Here are the response times on the 5 most recent trouble tickets:

Submitted: 11:32
Answered:  11:59

Submitted: 02:05
Answered:  02:40

Submitted: 9:34
Answered:  10:26

Submitted: 4:27
Answered:  4:39

Submitted: 7:21
Answered:  7:39

Submitted: 2:03
Answered:  3:33
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Omar Bazavilvazo on October 02, 2003, 11:10:25 AM
don't cry..

US$50 is 550 pesos or so :P

damn mexican corrupted politicians...
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: charlottezweb on October 02, 2003, 02:15:23 PM
I can't honestly believe that anyone could complain about the way they have it setup.  Afterall, as stated, they have to pay for the servers somehow.  And why would you complain this is unfair, yet you say you would rather it just cost money in the first place?  Think of it that way if you'd like and just pay for a membership then.  I personally see $50 as too cheap for the amount of usage and fun I get out of this software, but you won't hear me complaining on that subject :O  hehe

Jason
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Omar Bazavilvazo on October 02, 2003, 02:38:36 PM
ryan>
anyway.. is free, and will remain free...

the ~$50 are to help hosting costs, and for priority support and that.. the closed beta stuff is an extra, also.

we want ALL ppl to run our board, the most, the better.
Stop complaining, and all people will have beta, once is stable and bugless enough to have an open beta.

ja ne!

Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Spaceman-Spiff on October 02, 2003, 03:15:44 PM
I personally see $50 as too cheap for the amount of usage and fun I get out of this software, but you won't hear me complaining on that subject :O  hehe

Thats why there is (was) still a donation page...
so you can still donate if you feel you're not giving enough :P
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: charlottezweb on October 02, 2003, 04:58:42 PM
I personally see $50 as too cheap for the amount of usage and fun I get out of this software, but you won't hear me complaining on that subject :O  hehe

Thats why there is (was) still a donation page...
so you can still donate if you feel you're not giving enough :P

Oh, but then I couldn't afford my banner campaign coming soon to a SMF forum near you :)

Jason
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Ben_S on October 02, 2003, 05:50:07 PM
I nearly took out a  banner ad package too, but then realised my business plan was too risky and I might as well stick with being an employee.
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Owdy on October 02, 2003, 07:59:20 PM
still unfair >:( grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrowl


Be glad, when u have SMF, its tested and ready. I have now broken SSI, broken news, and my users cant start new topics etc, because of BUGS in beta.
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: morph on October 02, 2003, 08:16:12 PM
See, so maybe is isn't too bad that most of us are getting the public version.  Then a majority of the bugs are worked out :).
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Tyris on October 02, 2003, 08:58:23 PM
heh, I'm not complaining... well complaining that I'm such a poor final year student...
but not about the price... just noting that for me its alot too much...
heheh, priorities... yes, to video games ^_^
However, next time I get my hands on my dads credit card, I will try to donate something :)
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: morph on October 02, 2003, 09:00:00 PM
Ahhh yes, parents credit cards.  I only get to touch them if they have the cash ahead of time in their hands.. Sigh
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Tyris on October 02, 2003, 09:19:26 PM
mmm, same with me usually... tho after the last problem I'll be lucky to see one ever again....
imported FF:CC for my site as well as F-Zero and an Action Replay... and due to general unluckiness, that date used to calculate price for import taxes in AU was a bad day... basically I paid $244 (without shipping), they calculated $257... $250 is our tax limit... if I'm under its free, if its over, its $80AU... and of course its almost impossible to make a claim with our tax dept, so $80 out of pocket :(
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: truecrimson on October 02, 2003, 10:05:14 PM
Ahh the good old action replay, brings back memories, of, well, better not get into that here, as the statute of limitations probably hasn't expired.......

Anyway, I'm working full time, going to school for the 3rd time, just went "public" with my school forum, spend my little spare time tinkering with my server, and living paycheck to paycheck, so dont think everything is gonna be grand after you graduate.  I have 2 video games that have been collecting dust since christmas due to no time, and I'm scraping pennies together for the charter membership(Do i have to use a cc, or can  I send in a big jar of change?).

While I'm eager to get started with SMF I am more than happy to wait for the public release.  I don't have time to beta right now, even if I had the charter, though I definately think these guys deserve some bread.  All of you students take note:  In the real world nothing says thank you like greenbacks, and these guys have earned some.  When they are done tinkering they will let us have it, and I rest assured that it will upgrade, and work without making me jump through a bunch of technical hoops.  ok, i'm done ranting now.

and ps:  I love the show unread posts since last visit thing.  It's great!
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Jeff Lewis on October 02, 2003, 10:06:27 PM
F-Zero

I really need to rent that this weekend :)
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Tyris on October 02, 2003, 10:18:29 PM
heh, I got my F-Zero in from Japan (which is why I need the Action Replay, coz of a region bug).
F-Zero is great ;D absolutely awesome imho.
I dont have time to do anything... especially beta test.. though if I had it... I would ^_^;;
I'm hoping the puclic release is Nov 16th.
That way I can get it -just- after my exams.... and get modding just in time :) (school ends forever for me on the 16th or something like that)
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: truecrimson on October 03, 2003, 08:06:04 AM
lol, Nov 16th would be good for me too, though I'd still have another 6 months of school for the diploma(it's a tech school), and then the associates, and then the bahelors, and now that I think of it, I always intended to go back for Biology<sigh> i'm gonna be in school for the rest of my life.  On the bright side I can keep deferring those student loans, and I get to stop being a Respiratory Therapist.

Good luck on jumping into the working week ;)
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: James Woodcock on October 04, 2003, 04:41:26 AM
Ok I am thinking about becoming a Charter Member but just want to check a few things before I take the plunge!

Firstly does the beta come with a YaBB SE 1.5.4 > SMF Beta 1 convertor for boards and members?

Secondly are all the SSI commands like in YaBB SE working?

Thirdly can the forum be used publicly for my site visitors?

And last but not least is installation as simple as YaBB SE was?

Many Thanks
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Owdy on October 04, 2003, 04:51:08 AM


Firstly does the beta come with a YaBB SE 1.5.4 > SMF Beta 1 convertor for boards and members?

Yes


Quote
Secondly are all the SSI commands like in YaBB SE working?
Yes, but they are little changed, see http://www.simplemachines.org/community/ssi_examples.shtml (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/ssi_examples.shtml).

Quote
And last but not least is installation as simple as YaBB SE was?

Yes.
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: James Woodcock on October 04, 2003, 04:53:31 AM
Cheers
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: James Woodcock on October 04, 2003, 08:03:04 AM
Well thanks to your answers I have now registered to become a charter member.  Should be useful as the forum is quite popular so likely bugs will be found at some point.

I'll let you know when its up.  Just got to wait for my Charter Status ;)
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Acf on October 04, 2003, 08:28:38 AM
My hands are itching for the public beta  :D . I don't mind that it still a closed beta testing... I do not have the time install/convert my board(s) anyway. So i dont mind waiting on a bug free version  8)

cheers *acf
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: James Woodcock on October 04, 2003, 09:32:19 AM
Well of course you can look around the SMF Beta 1 I have when I have done it so you can have a play with the stuff.  Be good then so these peeps here can report bugs quicker.
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Tom on October 04, 2003, 09:43:43 AM
Since this theme is not included with the distrubution, what do the other theme(s) look like?  :D

I'm really looking forward to seeing them.
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Owdy on October 04, 2003, 10:24:39 AM
Right now beta looks just like YSE. This is going to chage in future
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Tyris on October 04, 2003, 10:48:36 AM
o? beta is using the YaBBSE theme??
no one told us that :P
All I've seen I think was the "Spam-box" thing that bostasp posted ^_^
Well... will the public beta have more themes? have they even been made yet :P ;)??
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Owdy on October 04, 2003, 10:56:06 AM
They working on them. Themes will be many
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Tyris on October 04, 2003, 11:21:53 AM
sweet, cant wait!! :)
are they gonna be available for the public beta?
and is there gonna be a public beta? or they going to Gold after the closed one?
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Owdy on October 04, 2003, 11:29:22 AM
First publick release will be beta, i think.
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: [Unknown] on October 05, 2003, 04:24:53 AM
On that note, I want to include a phpBB theme (*evil grin*) but I think they'll get mad at me.

And, the note about servers... that's the biggest reason.  I mean, look at this - for months YaBB SE was being a leech on its host, costing money with no recompense.  People were LEAVING because they felt that there was a lack of paid, professional eeling support.

It just didn't work.

Now, look - we've got more donations in a week than we did in MONTHS before.  We're supporting them well and still ready to offer free support, free downloads.  I'm not sure this quite covers the server costs.... but at least it's closer.

Life isn't simple, but yet it can be summed up simply: money makes it work.  Lack of money makes it not work.  We want SMF to work.

But we also want it to be free.  So it will be.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Chris Cromer on October 05, 2003, 05:25:52 AM
Quote
On that note, I want to include a phpBB theme (*evil grin*) but I think they'll get mad at me.
Depending on the license, you might be able to. Although, the kind/curtious thing to do would be to ask the phpBB team.
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: alienine on October 06, 2003, 06:51:41 AM
... especially when the only thing they have going for them is the theme *evil bastard laughter*..  ;D
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Oldiesmann on October 06, 2003, 09:00:00 AM
Quote
On that note, I want to include a phpBB theme (*evil grin*) but I think they'll get mad at me.
Depending on the license, you might be able to. Although, the kind/curtious thing to do would be to ask the phpBB team.

They probably won't care... After all... They let me use their smilies, but that was mainly because I put a thing in the copyright tag about where I got them...
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: [Unknown] on October 06, 2003, 04:21:32 PM
Oh, I wouldn't dare remove the copyright tag. (okay, I did at first but I put it back....)

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Bouminok on October 06, 2003, 04:41:48 PM
Well you want people to think it was actually SMF would you?
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: [Unknown] on October 06, 2003, 04:48:55 PM
Well you want people to think it was actually SMF would you?

Yeah, both copyright tags is the solution.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: venge on October 08, 2003, 11:12:04 PM
Well I just signed up as a Chartered member and look forward to getting going with the latest release.  Yabbse has worked very well for me and I look forward to this change.

I do hope the steps are laid as easy as suggested.  As I do not want to screw up my existing forums.

Many thanks for the previous....

cheers !

Venge
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: killer on October 09, 2003, 11:35:05 AM
Were can i download it ? :P
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Bouminok on October 09, 2003, 11:38:44 AM
Were can i download it ? :P

You can't - not yet anyways. You can become a Charter Member for $50 and get the beta now...
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Derek on October 14, 2003, 05:47:38 PM
Is there any chance that I'd be able to take a look at the SMF license?
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Omar Bazavilvazo on October 14, 2003, 06:06:07 PM
Is there any chance that I'd be able to take a look at the SMF license?

http://omarbazavilvazo.com/smf/license.txt
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: [Unknown] on October 14, 2003, 06:31:10 PM
Is there any chance that I'd be able to take a look at the SMF license?

http://omarbazavilvazo.com/smf/license.txt

PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS LICENSE IS NOT ONLY NOT FINAL, BUT ALSO ONLY THE LICENSE GIVEN TO CHARTER MEMBERS FOR THE BETA!!!  THERE ARE CLAUSES IN IT THAT DO NOT APPLY TO THE STANDARD RELEASE!!!!!!

IT MAY CHANGE SIGNIFICANTLY BEFORE RELEASE.

You have been warned.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Bouminok on October 14, 2003, 06:33:29 PM
I thought so... which is why I didn't post a link to the license :)
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Owdy on October 14, 2003, 06:35:12 PM
Same here  :-\
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Derek on October 14, 2003, 07:06:16 PM
I've got a question(don't get mad  ;)): Why isn't YabbSE(as of version 1.5.1) and SMF not available under the GNU GPL(as version 1.1.0, and possibly other versions were)?
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: [Unknown] on October 14, 2003, 07:07:52 PM
I've got a question(don't get mad  ;)): Why isn't YabbSE(as of version 1.5.1) and SMF not available under the GNU GPL(as version 1.1.0, and possibly other versions were)?

Legal problems.  Some people, for example SCO, don't understand the GPL - they think it gives you *ownership* or something.  The license we use is similar, but more expicit on some points.  For all intents and purposes, it doesn't affect most users....

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Derek on October 14, 2003, 07:17:51 PM
Doesn't the GPL require that all derived works also be licensed under the GPL?
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Bouminok on October 14, 2003, 07:22:38 PM
SMF won't be licensed under the GPL... but will be free...
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Derek on October 14, 2003, 07:24:17 PM
I'm sorry if I'm being intrusive or annoying. :P

SMF is based on YabbSE, which was at one point GPLed. Shouldn't that force SMF to be released under the GPL?
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Tyris on October 14, 2003, 07:33:50 PM
But its ALSO written by the original authors (mostly I believe), AND its been written from the groud up... ie: you'd be lucky to find a few bits of code that are the same.
So whilst it is based of it... only the theory is really based of it... the code is all new.
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Derek on October 14, 2003, 07:55:53 PM
Although I'm sure this has been taken care of already by the fine people at SMF(formerly and currently of YabbSE ;)), I thought I'd post it here anyways. It took me forever to find it in the GPL FAQ, but here it is:

Quote
I heard that someone got a copy of a GPL'ed program under another license. Is this possible?

The GNU GPL does not give users permission to attach other licenses to the program. But the copyright holder for a program can release it under several different licenses in parallel. One of them may be the GNU GPL.

The license that comes in your copy, assuming it was put in by the copyright holder and that you got the copy legitimately, is the license that applies to your copy.
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: David on October 14, 2003, 08:04:00 PM
Yes, since Lewis Media is the copyright holder they/we can decide which license to release it under.
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: [Unknown] on October 14, 2003, 08:23:03 PM
See, this is part of what most people don't understand about International Copyright Law.  Being the owner is like being root - there is literally nothing you cannot do.  Not being the owner is like... not being the owner.  Just because the GPL gives you a lot of rights doesn't mean it gives you all or ever takes any away.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Derek on October 14, 2003, 10:29:20 PM
Hey, I'm still learning. ;)
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Omar Bazavilvazo on October 15, 2003, 12:34:00 AM
Heh...

I forgot to say is a temporal license, that needs to be polished before the release.

Sorry for the misunderstand. I just gave a link for ppl to figure out how it will like.

The license will be put in a official link here.
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: gregy on October 23, 2003, 04:34:19 PM
hi guys .. i really don't wanna be pain in the a** and i know that almost everyday someone asks about release date ...

tomorrow i'm getting new domain that will be based on any forum .. must say that after a lot of reading i have decided to wait for SMF ... it gives more features as PHPbb ...

on the other side i don't wanna wait another "three weeks" for release date, while a lot of people is waittinf for a forum to be opened ...

thanx again and sorry for making this question ...

Gregor
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Owdy on October 23, 2003, 04:42:25 PM
hi guys .. i really don't wanna be pain in the a** and i know that almost everyday someone asks about release date ...

tomorrow i'm getting new domain that will be based on any forum .. must say that after a lot of reading i have decided to wait for SMF ... it gives more features as PHPbb ...

on the other side i don't wanna wait another "three weeks" for release date, while a lot of people is waittinf for a forum to be opened ...

thanx again and sorry for making this question ...

Gregor

http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=2337
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: gregy on October 23, 2003, 04:48:24 PM
thanx .. all the asnwers are there  :D who is who .. who is living where .. just release date  :-[
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Omar Bazavilvazo on October 23, 2003, 05:13:14 PM
just install YSE in the meantime, don't mod it, and you can switch when is released :)
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: gregy on October 24, 2003, 02:06:20 AM
and what about language .. YSE will be in slovenian .. and later when i will upgrade .. i will have to set back to english to upggrade .. or?
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Oldiesmann on October 24, 2003, 01:27:11 PM
Slovenian? That's kind of an odd language...

Also, a few months is better than nothing. Your competitors (who shall remain nameless - you know who I'm talking about) are still working on their next major release, which they have been for most of this year...
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Bouminok on October 24, 2003, 01:32:35 PM
Slovenian? That's kind of an odd language...

Not really - but I'm sure someone could do a Slovenian language pack.
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: gregy on October 24, 2003, 04:36:24 PM
Slovenia ... on the border with Austria and Italia ... take a map  :D
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: morph on October 24, 2003, 04:37:16 PM
Never heard of it.
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: gregy on October 24, 2003, 04:39:07 PM
well .. there are planty countries in the world .. maybe some geographic in school wont do any damage  ;D
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: morph on October 24, 2003, 04:40:55 PM
I hate school.

I despise school.

I highly dislike school.

Would you like me to continue.  :P
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Bouminok on October 24, 2003, 05:03:12 PM
Never heard of it.

Used to be part of Yugoslavia - and before that part of the Austria-Hungarian Empire

-please say you've heard of Yugoslavia?
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: morph on October 24, 2003, 05:05:04 PM
rofl Yes i have heard of Yugoslavia :P
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Peter Duggan on October 26, 2003, 06:28:35 PM
Slovenian? That's kind of an odd language...

Never heard of it.

What's up with you guys? :o

What's odd about Slovenian if that's what you speak, and what's the point of morph's replies? If there are users/potential users looking for SMF in Slovenian, we should be trying to help and not putting them down!
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: morph on October 27, 2003, 03:04:58 PM
I was just stating that I have never heard of it before.  Sorry for not being educated well by the crappy school system we have here. Yeesh.
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: gregy on October 28, 2003, 06:31:07 AM
thanx Peter .. morphs no hard feelings :) .. at least now i know that one person more knows where Slovenia is :))

keep on good work
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: morph on October 29, 2003, 06:47:22 AM
Actually yesterday in Lit class  we talked about Slovenia and where it is located.  I now know.. woo hoo!!
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Oldiesmann on October 29, 2003, 09:24:04 AM
My comment about it being an odd language was because its not one you hear of a lot in this part of the world...
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Adin on October 29, 2003, 09:41:40 AM
We hear plenty of it here ^^

Besides, the more languages SMF supports, the more users it'll reach, therefore every language is useful, cause as long as it isn't a dead language like latin someone will look for it someday ;)
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: NaturalStateReb on October 29, 2003, 05:04:34 PM
just install YSE in the meantime, don't mod it, and you can switch when is released :)

The only mod I've got installed is the speed-up hack (disable click log).  Will that impair my ability to convert/upgrade to SMF 1.0?
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Jeff Lewis on October 29, 2003, 05:10:26 PM
Not at all, we've removed clicklog.
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Oldiesmann on October 29, 2003, 05:40:42 PM
I've got so many mods on my board that I think I'd just be better off starting over. Here's what I plan to do:

1. Backup database
2. Take saved database structure to lycos UK and re-create that database
3. Delete any "extra" stuff (such as anything added by a mod)
4. Save new database structure.
5. Wipe out my old board completely and do a fresh install of SMF 1.0

That way, users won't lose all their profile stuff (i'll keep a copy of the original database structure just in case), and I won't have to spend my time un-installing mods
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Derek on October 29, 2003, 09:39:07 PM
What could a mod add / modify that would ruin the info that the converter would extract?
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: [Unknown] on October 29, 2003, 09:53:28 PM
What could a mod add / modify that would ruin the info that the converter would extract?

It would take a lot.  Even the Supermod converts fine. (as of last try.)

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Oldiesmann on October 30, 2003, 10:47:14 AM
Hmmmm... Interesting. Well, I'll play around with the beta versions/release candidates when they're released, so I should have a good idea of what will and what won't work.
Title: Re: SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: tu5ex on November 10, 2003, 03:11:56 AM
Hi David...
Is it necessary to buy a Charter Member account?
For us from France it's difficult without VISA Card?
Is there one other GNU free solution for test ?
regards
Didier TU5EX
Title: Re: SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Tyris on November 10, 2003, 03:55:22 AM
As SMF is still in beta and is not complete, it is currently ONLY available to the developers, special people, and Charter Members.
When SMF is ready to be released (ie: bugs have been minimised, and all the features complete) it will become available to the public as a beta software.
I will not be liscenced under GNU, however it will still be free, and you'll still be able to play with the code just like in YaBBSE, the new liscence I belive just gives the developers more control and a better deal.

At the moment there is no set release date for a public beta, however we're keeping our fingers crossed that it will be soon. However from what I hear the admin center and a few other things are not yet 100% complete...

Its also worth noting that all that I've just said is mainly speculation and knowledge based on reading almost every single public post (in english) at these forums, and hence nothing I say should be taken as 100%
Title: Re: SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: tu5ex on November 10, 2003, 01:23:09 PM
As SMF is still in beta and is not complete, it is currently ONLY available to the developers, special people, and Charter Members.
When SMF is ready to be released (ie: bugs have been minimised, and all the features complete) it will become available to the public as a beta software.
I will not be liscenced under GNU, however it will still be free, and you'll still be able to play with the code just like in YaBBSE, the new liscence I belive just gives the developers more control and a better deal.

At the moment there is no set release date for a public beta, however we're keeping our fingers crossed that it will be soon. However from what I hear the admin center and a few other things are not yet 100% complete...

Its also worth noting that all that I've just said is mainly speculation and knowledge based on reading almost every single public post (in english) at these forums, and hence nothing I say should be taken as 100%
OK, Tks so much for reply...
We will be standby the Beta Public release...
So, if you need any help for translate any file language to French ! ask me !
Regards
Didier TU5EX
Title: Re: SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Saleh on November 10, 2003, 01:48:23 PM
Quote
I will not be liscenced under GNU
:P so what is your current liscene ? :P


j/k
Title: Re: SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: David on November 10, 2003, 02:36:59 PM
tu5ex, all payments are currently made through PayPal and I believe they support a variety of countries.  You can also contact info@simplemachines.org for more information if you wish.

SMF is not under a GNU license currently.  For the charter member release it is under a very limiting license as they are not allowed to share the source.  The license for public releases has not yet been finalized but will most likely be a proprietary license and not a mainstream one.
Title: Re: SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Tyris on November 10, 2003, 07:38:22 PM
Quote
I will not be liscenced under GNU
:P so what is your current liscene ? :P


j/k
roflmao!!!!
"It" ;) but I'm liscened under... um... Private ownership... and the Copyright Ammednment Act 2000 (whoa... IT study did pay off ;))
Title: Re: SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: tu5ex on November 11, 2003, 04:04:25 AM
wait & see !!! ;D
Title: Re: SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Oldiesmann on November 13, 2003, 03:43:15 PM
Hmmm... just followed a link from someone's sig on here to a Beta 2 board... Is this gonna be available to the general public? If so, when?
Title: Re: SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Ben_S on November 13, 2003, 03:45:35 PM
When they buy a charter membership ;)

Nah will let someone who knows answer
Title: Re: SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Jeff Lewis on November 13, 2003, 04:04:43 PM
Beta 2 is a Charter Member release, we're hoping but not sure if the next will be a public one or not. When we know, you'll know, as we'll make an announcement :)
Title: Re: SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Rockblue on November 14, 2003, 03:41:02 AM
me 2, waiting for the public beta..... if it will be free...
Title: Re: SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: [Unknown] on November 14, 2003, 03:42:16 AM
me 2, waiting for the public beta..... if it will be free...

There is no if.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re: SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Bouminok on November 14, 2003, 04:08:42 AM
We could have massive headers with size 300 font says "SMF is FREE" and people would still think otherwise... ::)
Title: Re: SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: RoCKeT-88 on November 14, 2003, 01:46:16 PM
Just on a side note can you upgraded from YaBB SE?
Title: Re: SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Owdy on November 14, 2003, 02:35:07 PM
OK, we are joking. ;D
[size=20]SMF is free, and yes u can upgrade from YabbSE![/size]
Title: Re: SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Jim Yarbro on November 30, 2003, 01:39:59 AM
/me pops out out of charter members area for a sec

just letting you non-charter ppl know what us members are dealin with here... SMF is a great product. hands down beats all other forum software i have tried, which includes ubb, vb, yabb, yabbse, phpbb, and some other ones that arent big enough to mention. SMF takes the best from all of these and puts it into a very fast, very easy to use package. being beta, its prone to problems when first installed. it doesn't take more than a couple hours to really hack out the bugs that cause error messages, but it requires disabling a couple of the features that in beta 2 have not been finished yet. for a 3rd beta (beta1, 1a, then 2) tho, this is one stable product. I have been amazed so far at what I have to work with on nrrds.com (*cough* plug). Anyways if are serious about your site, and want to have some inside interaction with the team while they work on this product, seriously charter membership is the way to go. If you don't have the money, just stick it out with YaBB SE. I imagine that if you don't have the money for a charter membership, then you probably don't have time to go get a part time job for a week to earn enough dough, which means you wouldn't have time to hack out the bugs anyways. Get my logic? if you are just hesitant to go pay money for a beta, then wait! Everyone wants the best software, but why would you want to get the best software right now before it's finished? sure its tempting cuz the opportunity is there, but if you have a lot to lose, just stick with YaBB SE till a stable SMF comes out.


what you get if you DONT pay:

what you get if you DO pay:

either way you get the software. just one way you get to interact with the SMF team directly and constantly. The free way is just more distant, and you have to wait for the first stable version. keyword: stable
Title: Re: SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: [Unknown] on November 30, 2003, 01:59:50 AM
Not that you can't keep the stable version yet have a charter membership.  We have at least a few charter members who are doing just that - and that's a great way to go as well.

And, in defense, it was just one thing you had to turn off... completely forgot about it, and I did post that it needed to be turned off for moderation to work properly.

But, yeah, we keep saying (to charter members and others) that it's not ready for production - so, don't act like it's not free, because normally no one would see the code right now anyway.  One way to think of it (and this is actually one of the reasons you have to pay..) is that you're paying to prove you're not a 13 year old script kiddie :P.  Because, if there is a major bug, we want to have time to get to it and find it before it gets found and exploited.

Normally, we just wouldn't release for a while while we look for them and keep developing....

-[Unknown]
Title: Re: SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: PeterL on November 30, 2003, 06:14:40 PM
( Unk, I am not a 13 year old script kiddie, but I am a 56 year old script kiddie!  I am very much a beginner.)

And yet, I bought Charter Membership because I wanted the help, both with installation and understanding how SMF works.

And, I must say, I'm quite pleased how its gone. I've had the software running live on my site for a couple of weeks now, and any problems we had have been solved. I'm learning how to change it and make it better and I'm very impressed with both the software and the support of all the staff.

So, if any of you are wondering if should you spend the bucks or not on a charter membership, I'd say go ahead. The dedicated help is well worth it.

Peter
Title: Re: SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: Shadow's Pawn on December 03, 2003, 02:29:56 PM
This is a stupid question.. but if I bought a charter membership, can I use it for more than one domain?  I have like twenty subdomains (okay, only four) each running at least one copy of yabbse..
Title: Re: SMF 1.0 Beta 1 Released!
Post by: David on December 03, 2003, 02:31:19 PM
This is a stupid question.. but if I bought a charter membership, can I use it for more than one domain?  I have like twenty subdomains (okay, only four) each running at least one copy of yabbse..
I believe that we decided that as long as you run and are in control of each forum then this is fine.