Simple Machines is pleased to announce that the second beta of SMF 2.0 has been released to our Charter Members.
This release marks an important step for SMF 2.0. After five months of bug quashing, feature development and a general clean-up we are now much closer to a public beta release. SMF 2.0 is now, in the most part, feature frozen and we are aiming to allow the public to participate in the next beta. We're going to be doing our best to have a much more frequent release cycle now as we move towards release candidate stage, but we have some important template changes prior to in the next beta. As well as the general improvements in Beta 2 we've also reengineered the database security model within SMF which we believe should offer users greater protection against malicous attacks - you can read more about this here (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=216143.msg1379595#new).
Listed below is a brief summary of some of the changes made in this release:
- Improved permissions interface
- Added support for multiple attachment folders
- Added winning birthday emails from the SMF contest
- Added option to prune logs automatically
- Added means of viewing search/replace operations when installing a mod
- Added interface to edit and add language files
- Made custom profile fields searchable on the memberlist and other improvements
- Added auto suggest control and used it on personal messages
- Added flood control and CAPTCHA to search
- Fixed repair boards to work with different database types
- Added mass topic mover to the maintenance section, and changed the maintenance area templates.
- Added admin and user logs
- Added redirection boards
- Added paid subscription feature - only currently supporting PayPal
- Added search engine tracking
- Made numerous improvements to the WYSIWYG editor
Regards,
Simple Machines
Congrats on a job well done! Many changes but it seems to be worth it. Great work dev team. One step closer to 2.0 being final. ;)
Congrats...
Wow!
Congratulations!
But I have one question, the Adds Management will be by default? Or it will be only as a mod?
Quote from: HecKel on January 20, 2008, 01:29:35 PM
Wow!
Congratulations!
But I have one question, the Adds Management will be by default? Or it will be only as a mod?
i believe mod only.
but karl can update it.
Hey,
Looks like another great update, Grudge. Keep up the good work everyone! ;)
Regards,
Trez
indeed, its very cool
Congratulations! ;D
Nice to see this milestone being set. Congratulations to everyone that has made this possible! :)
thanks
Awesome, awesome to the max! :P
Hi thanks for the new beta.
[edit] moved upgrade problem[/edit]
Thanks,
Jas
Quote from: jasuk70I've just tried upgrading a site from the first beta and hit this error:
Kindly post your support needs in the proper forum:
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?board=141.0
Congratulations to the team on getting this out. It's a great step forward.
Also, remember people that this is an announcement topic, not a support topic. Please keep support in the 2.0 beta boards so we can provide better support for 2.0-specific issues.
Good news ;)
SMF 2.0 the best ;)
woohoo! Exciting times! Good work by the Devs and Team.
With the site issues, I was getting worried it might have delayed the release of 2.0 beta 2
All it proves is that in more ways than one, SMF is cookin'
;)
Please, think of the little people who can't get Charter Member :(.
Quote from: Eugeniu on January 20, 2008, 03:36:48 PM
Please, think of the little people who can't get Charter Member :(.
They release SMF2.0 not to the public first for a reason. Imagine all the bug reports and support issues that would be brought up. By the time there is a public release it will be stable. Also a charter membership is not just for the beta testing; maybe you want better support? Also SMF2.0 should not be used in a live production site too.
Amazing team!!! to get the release out even with the recent server crash!!!
Congratulation!
Anna
Awesome job as always. :)
May Beta 2 be as bug free as possible.
/me feels the pressure of finishing the 2.0 documentation increase a bit. :-X
Feel free to DIGG too :D (http://digg.com/software/Simple_Machines_Forum_Releases_SMF_2_0_Beta_2)
Hello everybody...
I want to know when the version of Smf 2.0 will be uploaded (how days +/- we should waiting) for all members? I wait such as all of normal members but this waiting is boring .... :(
BTW sorry for my English ...
Regards,
thomas86
EDIT: the new interface is very nice functional
Thanks
Quote from: akabugeyes on January 20, 2008, 03:52:47 PM/me feels the pressure of finishing the 2.0 documentation increase a bit. :-X
Well at least now you have an apprentice :P
Some features on the list which are what I would have been dreaming of...well done guys![/color][/size] Can't wait to get hands on the final release!
(I would have to wait for TinyPortal and theme support first before upgrading though...so that would be at least 6 months down the road but I think it is better for me to concentrate on building up my community rather than just the web interface/features). :P
Since like there are still some WYSIWYG bugg...see my post above...
Quote from: khoking on January 20, 2008, 05:28:23 PM
Since like there are still some WYSIWYG bugg...see my post above...
no its not you added a extra:
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thomas86, unfortunately we simply cannot really give any dates or estimates. Something could always come up and at this time I don't think the developers know when it could be ready. It can very much depend on how many bugs are found in Beta 2.
Gaz, you bet I do! :)
Great News~! Congratulations on this accomplishment.
Wonderful features and attention to detail, folks. Excellent work.
Thanks to ALL who labor here to benefit the SMF community.
Eagerly (but patiently*) awaiting the final SMF ver 2.0.
*sorta ;D
Congrats and Thank You!
So... Am I correct to assume that the plan is for one more beta, two candidate releases and then the final release?
It all depends on how many bugs are found.
and if the security is well checked.
Looking sweet upgraded nicely with some help :).
Check my sig for my forum running it on a custom theme.
Thanks! waiting for public release.
Cool smf is getting better can not wait for public release.
Quote# Added winning birthday emails from the SMF contest
Ugh, I thought that was only for SM.org! I hope you reconsider this...
^ I see what you mean. It looks very unprofessional to be honest.
it can be disabled...
Indeed but its still in the admin panel. The contest was neat but the way its displayed it looks unprofessional.
Quote from: shadow82x on January 21, 2008, 12:28:21 AM
Indeed but its still in the admin panel. The contest was neat but the way its displayed it looks unprofessional.
Should of submitted your reply in the contest :P
Maybe the default could be just: Happy Birthday to you!
and other winning contest entries added as alternative choices...
I thought that we would be able to replace the text with our own anyway....
Anna
Quote from: rickC on January 21, 2008, 12:54:38 AMShould of submitted your reply in the contest :P
Wouldn't have made much of a difference... if you open up a decision to the public you're never going to come up with the most professional option.
Oh and "Added paid subscription feature - only currently supporting PayPal" i think SMF would be the first FREE forum to have this a core code :p i maybe wrong but i would say i am right as i have never seen it any ways can smf 2.0 is going to be big when it get out.
Ooooooooh
I forgot about this version coming out
I'd better upgrade my forum (as well as my mods) sometime soon :D
ohhhh! amazing! i cant wait!!!!
QuoteAdded interface to edit and add language files
:D
Congratulations!
This is such great news! I can't wait till this gets finished and I can upgrade my board. Thank you very much to all the hard work you have put into this :)
Quote from: Bad-Dj on January 21, 2008, 04:33:09 AM
Oh and "Added paid subscription feature - only currently supporting PayPal" i think SMF would be the first FREE forum to have this a core code :p
Even nicer is that other gateways can be supported, all that is needed is a bit of code to make a file that fits the paid subscription API. I think we'll be seeing a few third-party contributions in this area.
great work guys :)
Quote from: Dannii on January 21, 2008, 12:01:26 AM
Quote# Added winning birthday emails from the SMF contest
Ugh, I thought that was only for SM.org! I hope you reconsider this...
I thought the contest rules were clear but even still you should have known as you've been able to see it since it was put in ;)
Quote from: BlackMage on January 21, 2008, 12:24:00 AM
it can be disabled...
It can be more then disabled. All 5 of the finalists were put in and are selectable. And you can even add your own by simply editting EmailTemplates.language.php
Quote from: Thantos on January 21, 2008, 11:39:28 AM
It can be more then disabled. All 5 of the finalists were put in and are selectable. And you can even add your own by simply editting EmailTemplates.language.php
I should probably stop being so lazy and go look at the code myself, but if you have it on the top of your heat, what happens if you then overwrite the language file, the change will be lost, will it cause errors or revert to disabled?
I'd have to double check but I think it does a isset() check.
Paid subscriptions sounds great :)
Good job!
yes it can be more than disabled, but for a quick post via cell phone, i didn't feel the need to get into it that deep :P
And if only I was a charter member... oh well. I can wait until the public beta is out for everyone to download :)
Quote from: BlackMage on January 21, 2008, 12:24:07 PM
yes it can be more than disabled, but for a quick post via cell phone, i didn't feel the need to get into it that deep :P
Cell phone posting == the ebil
is there any complete changelog since 1.1.4?and why i see the last post on top, instead of the bottom of this 3d?
Quote from: scimmiotto on January 21, 2008, 02:13:26 PM
is there any complete changelog since 1.1.4?and why i see the last post on top, instead of the bottom of this 3d?
If you have access to the 2.0 beta, the changelog is included in it. Otherwise, you'll need to wait until a public beta to see it all. Just new features have been listed in both the beta 1 and this topic.
As for post ordering, there is an option you can set to choose what order you want to see posts in. Check the "Look and Layout" section of your profile.
Motoko-chan,
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=214721.0
Ah. Forgot about that.
In SMF 1.1.x Karma isn't AJAX, I think it would be a great place for a little ajax. Is this in the current 2.0 beta 2?
Quote from: Motoko-chan on January 21, 2008, 10:39:34 AM
Quote from: Bad-Dj on January 21, 2008, 04:33:09 AM
Oh and "Added paid subscription feature - only currently supporting PayPal" i think SMF would be the first FREE forum to have this a core code :p
Even nicer is that other gateways can be supported, all that is needed is a bit of code to make a file that fits the paid subscription API. I think we'll be seeing a few third-party contributions in this area.
Grudges paid subscription mod for smf 1.0-1.1 works with other payment gateways, I use it with 2co.com. His mod is the basis for the core paid subscriptions code in 2.0 - so it shouldn't be a big deal to add o-ther payment options.
Many many Congrats
Welcome Development
Please tell me there's some good signature controls in the newest.
Thanks to the people who made mods, but the mods aren't complete -- we need to be able to turn them off completely, and "0" shouldn't be the number for "unlimited" but actually "0" -- else we can't limit an element to "none" but instead have to go with 1 letter.
Would somebody be nice enough to get me a screenie of my birthday contest in the beta? Otherwise, I'd be glad to wait.
QuotePlease tell me there's some good signature controls in the newest.
There are some new signature controls, yes.
Thank you for your work.
So does 2.0 include permission profiles and group inheritance?
Quote from: shentino on January 23, 2008, 02:50:00 PM
So does 2.0 include permission profiles and group inheritance?
Yes, it does. That was announced here (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=190812.0). :)
Good news, Good news....
I can't wait.
I believe I will picking up a charter membership soon...
Important question...
What of the templating? Are their still major changes coming as far as theme templates?
Yes. Beta 3 should see some big changes to the templates.
Quote from: Thantos on January 23, 2008, 10:34:00 PM
Yes. Beta 3 should see some big changes to the templates.
Hi,
You say ....big changes?
Is it worth continuing with mods for smf2 - or are you going to release notes on the changes in advance?
Tony
Yeah, already had a bit of a rocky road with Beta 2 but Grudge knows what he is doing!
Tony, most likely there wont be a Beta 2 to Beta 3 template changes since there will be too many changes.
Thanks Jay.
Congratulations! It's a great step forward.
Quote from: JayBachatero on January 24, 2008, 04:30:52 AM
Tony, most likely there wont be a Beta 2 to Beta 3 template changes since there will be too many changes.
You're evil :P Presenting Beta 2 and talking 'bout Beta 3? :P That hurts O:)
wow. definately grateful for the thorough. i use my smf all day and it's always always been dependable, even when I make a mess of it. Thanks on behalf of the boys at Mysticalhead.net. Looking forward to 2.0 !
Does anyone know if the new Permissions controls allow you to keep a private board, even from other Administrators?
I had to un-admin a guy so I could keep a secret stash. hard feelings. anything along these lines?
If you don't trust in one admin..., why do you have him as admin?
Admins can do anything they want, this is obvious...
Exactly, if Administrators by definition can do anything and see everything. We dont give into the Root Admin/Admin membergroups that other softwares do because, personally, I think it's stupid.
However, if you do want to go that route, then rename Administrator to Root Admin and create a new membergroup Administrator and assign that membergroup appropriate permissions.
Quote from: Gazmanafc on January 24, 2008, 01:04:54 PM
We dont give into the Root Admin/Admin membergroups that other softwares do because, personally, I think it's stupid.
Note that his opinion isn't the actual reason this isn't done. It should probably be "....other softwares do, and personally, I think..."
I'll try to explain a bit more on how things are set up. Basically, we have one group that bypasses all permission checks and all restrictions. This is the "Administrator" group. I believe it is built this way because it provides a safety net should permissions in general become mixed up. Even if somehow all permissions were removed, a user in the administrator group would be able to log in and fix the situation. If you have the ability to limit what an "administrator" can do, then you lose this ability. Think about the same situation, but administrators are powerless too.
This design makes the Administrator group a very powerful group, so it should be used wisely. It is general good practice to limit membership in that group to a very small number of people. For other people that you need to give power to, you can create a normal group and grant permissions for their duties.
Quote from: Xupa Krimminel on January 24, 2008, 11:05:46 AM
wow. definately grateful for the thorough. i use my smf all day and it's always always been dependable, even when I make a mess of it. Thanks on behalf of the boys at Mysticalhead.net. Looking forward to 2.0 !
Does anyone know if the new Permissions controls allow you to keep a private board, even from other Administrators?
I had to un-admin a guy so I could keep a secret stash. hard feelings. anything along these lines?
In my opinion you shouldn't never make anyone an "admin". Just create another membergroup with admin-like permissions(what you need) and name it admin.
Quote from: Xarcell on January 24, 2008, 04:03:09 PM
Quote from: Xupa Krimminel on January 24, 2008, 11:05:46 AM
wow. definately grateful for the thorough. i use my smf all day and it's always always been dependable, even when I make a mess of it. Thanks on behalf of the boys at Mysticalhead.net. Looking forward to 2.0 !
Does anyone know if the new Permissions controls allow you to keep a private board, even from other Administrators?
I had to un-admin a guy so I could keep a secret stash. hard feelings. anything along these lines?
In my opinion you shouldn't never make anyone an "admin". Just create another membergroup with admin-like permissions(what you need) and name it admin.
good idea.
But Administrators are still vulnerable to other groups that can manage members, since they can change all of my information, and thus hack my forum. I don't give untrustworthy people any kind of power, but it would still be good and feel more secure by making the people in the Administrators group untouchable for people out of that group :o
People in the administrator membergroup are immune from people in other membergroups from being de-admined.
Ie. a Global Moderator with manager members permissions can not remove the administrator membergroup from an admin.
But, if a GM can manage members permissions, he can set himself as an admin and then de-admin other admins...
In my opinion, this kind of questions shouldn't be asked, 'cause one admin only sets this kind of permissions to someone that they really trust, so, if you don't trust in that person, don't give him that kind of permissions, simple.
You can't change your permissions to be higher than what you are.
Quote from: JayBachatero on January 25, 2008, 11:20:18 AM
You can't change your permissions to be higher than what you are.
In 1.1.4 I can, I just did that to test..., but my usergroup has all the permissions checked (is a secondary group), how can I restricted that? (sorry to ask for support here)
thanks
Quote from: Gazmanafc on January 25, 2008, 09:51:10 AM
People in the administrator membergroup are immune from people in other membergroups from being de-admined.
Ie. a Global Moderator with manager members permissions can not remove the administrator membergroup from an admin.
But as I already said, someone in another non-administrator group could easily change my password. That way they could access my account and promote themselves, or simply delete everything from my account and make a mess . . . I think people in the Administrator group should be untouchable for anyone outside that group, regardless if I let them edit members or not . . .
Quote from: Dyegov on January 27, 2008, 02:24:43 PM
Quote from: Gazmanafc on January 25, 2008, 09:51:10 AM
People in the administrator membergroup are immune from people in other membergroups from being de-admined.
Ie. a Global Moderator with manager members permissions can not remove the administrator membergroup from an admin.
But as I already said, someone in another non-administrator group could easily change my password. That way they could access my account and promote themselves, or simply delete everything from my account and make a mess . . . I think people in the Administrator group should be untouchable for anyone outside that group, regardless if I let them edit members or not . . .
I agree...
Founding admin should be UNTOUCHABLE by default from EVERYONE except the founding admin...in other words, if your user ID is 1, no one should be able to touch your account settings or details at all.
Quote from: Dyegov on January 27, 2008, 02:24:43 PM
Quote from: Gazmanafc on January 25, 2008, 09:51:10 AM
People in the administrator membergroup are immune from people in other membergroups from being de-admined.
Ie. a Global Moderator with manager members permissions can not remove the administrator membergroup from an admin.
But as I already said, someone in another non-administrator group could easily change my password. That way they could access my account and promote themselves, or simply delete everything from my account and make a mess . . . I think people in the Administrator group should be untouchable for anyone outside that group, regardless if I let them edit members or not . . .
Giving permissions is a lot like giving trust. If you can't trust the person to not abuse it then don't give them that access.
Quote from: Alundra on January 27, 2008, 02:46:23 PM
I agree...
Founding admin should be UNTOUCHABLE by default from EVERYONE except the founding admin...in other words, if your user ID is 1, no one should be able to touch your account settings or details at all.
There is nothing special about user ID 1. Heck for the longest time we didn't even have a user with an ID of 1 here. The user that was created and given that ID isn't even an admin here.
Quote from: Thantos on January 27, 2008, 02:58:25 PM
Quote from: Dyegov on January 27, 2008, 02:24:43 PM
Quote from: Gazmanafc on January 25, 2008, 09:51:10 AM
People in the administrator membergroup are immune from people in other membergroups from being de-admined.
Ie. a Global Moderator with manager members permissions can not remove the administrator membergroup from an admin.
But as I already said, someone in another non-administrator group could easily change my password. That way they could access my account and promote themselves, or simply delete everything from my account and make a mess . . . I think people in the Administrator group should be untouchable for anyone outside that group, regardless if I let them edit members or not . . .
Giving permissions is a lot like giving trust. If you can't trust the person to not abuse it then don't give them that access.
Quote from: Alundra on January 27, 2008, 02:46:23 PM
I agree...
Founding admin should be UNTOUCHABLE by default from EVERYONE except the founding admin...in other words, if your user ID is 1, no one should be able to touch your account settings or details at all.
There is nothing special about user ID 1. Heck for the longest time we didn't even have a user with an ID of 1 here. The user that was created and given that ID isn't even an admin here.
well I just mean the user who CREATED the forum should be untouchable, or at least have to option to specify which ID is the one that cant be edited.
I agree with Alundra. It's true that you should not be giving powers to people you don't trust, but we're human, and power corrupts people. What if a person I have trusted for 2 years wake up a day with a bad mood and decides to take over my forum because we have a simple fight? I know you will say "Then he wasn't trustworthy enough" and all those things, but we're talking about security here, which is supposed to be the main aim of SMF.
All I'm asking for is a better security measure, even if it's just preventive, because this could cause many many problems for a lot of people, and I want to feel secure with the software I'm using.
To summarize this thread:
I find it a sensible idea to have one master-admin (not group) who holds ultimate powers - the admin group should be more limited to prevent possible evilness.
If it is possible for a GM (in 114) to elevate (set himself) into an admin then this is a serious security bug - have not tested it with beta 2 thou.
I don't feel this is the place for this discussion.
Please start up a topic in the Feature Requests (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?board=3.0)
Quote from: Gazmanafc on January 25, 2008, 09:51:10 AM
People in the administrator membergroup are immune from people in other membergroups from being de-admined.
Ie. a Global Moderator with manager members permissions can not remove the administrator membergroup from an admin.
This security measure is basically useless as long as the same restrictions are not applied to the "Edit account settings (any profile)" permission as well. At the very least there should be a big red warning in the help text stating that administrator accounts can be hijacked with this permission allowed.