Man, it's gonna be a tough pull to get SMF listed on some of the major search engines..lol
Here are three search results/links from Google -
simple machines - 2,430,000 (http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&safe=off&q=simple+machines&btnG=Google+Search)
"simple machines" - 57,800 (http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&safe=off&q=%22simple+machines%22&btnG=Google+Search)
simple machines forum - 419,000 (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&safe=off&q=simple+machines+forum&btnG=Google+Search)
Talk about an uphill battle! :o I've done some tough SEO work for clients before, but nothing in this ball park..lol
:'(
We'll be fine...TRUST me ;)
Remember how you found it, typing in the url. We will be found, I don't see that as a problem.
How many days has the site been "officially" out, and there's already over 200 members and over 1600 posts.
Three words: "Word of Mouth"
I think we've been open a day now :)
Juvie, the one thing that matters the most is backlinks from sites that are in the same description as this one. YSE, YaBB, and tons of other 'forum' related sites already link to here. Also, once the forum gets out there, there is automatically a link on every page. That means TONS of links and TONS of free promotion for it. The best keywords would probably be 'free forum', 'forum', 'message board', 'free message board', etc. Just get sites with high rankings for those keywords and we get tons of promotion and we will beat them out ;)
I'll be sure to pimp the name on my board and on my sister news site once it opens.. might swing a few more wannabe seer's this way :)
(i say that.. coz i've had people in the past trying to 'bite' my style... lol...)
lets clik afew times one the smilley on my google bar :P
from my experience, it doesn't do anything.
lol I just turned them on anyways.. never had that option on before... now my view on the world will effect all of you!.. mwaahhahahahaa
errr.... hehe
Quote from: groundup on August 03, 2003, 05:58:56 PM
Juvie, the one thing that matters the most is backlinks from sites that are in the same description as this one. YSE, YaBB, and tons of other 'forum' related sites already link to here. Also, once the forum gets out there, there is automatically a link on every page. That means TONS of links and TONS of free promotion for it. The best keywords would probably be 'free forum', 'forum', 'message board', 'free message board', etc. Just get sites with high rankings for those keywords and we get tons of promotion and we will beat them out ;)
Oh, no doubt. I think that in time, a search for "Simple Machines Forum" will point here on that alone. However, I'm not sure how high the ranking will be even then. That's why I made a point of posting this :). It's going to take some big SEO work to get the site up there. Even with linkings on script/forum sites, you're still dealing with a subject that has far more "credible" sources backing them up (i.e. Educational and government institutions getting twice the weight of anything else in the eyes of Google..more so if found on DMOZ). I'm not trying to be critical of the new name, don't get me wrong, I just wanted to bring it up :)
Also, keep in mind I have no concerns as to people finding this place. It'll be a virtual meat farm in days..lol. It's just the designer in me looks at stuff like this as icing. I can't call a site or project for myself or a client a success until it has a top 3 ranking on all major search engines..lol :)
Quotelets clik afew times one the smilley on my google bar
Google dosn't count any type of clicks either on it's toolbar or throught searches on it's site. :D
But how many people are going to do a search for this forum with google?
That said a search for simple machines will be quite high due to the words being in the domain but does it really matter?
google is the most used search engine, so I'd say a lot of people would find it like that ;)
I would have though that people interested in using it would get the url from a board already using it. Maybe I'm wrong though.
usually an enormous portion of a site's traffic comes from google. Especially on sites like this where it isn't a targetted niche, it is a wide spectrum of people and topics.
/me changes all of his yse.org link to sm.org
hope it will help bring SMF up in google search...
I don't think it really matters since there's a link on every forum. ::)
wait a week or so and googe will get around to putting it up. it doesn't even have a pagerank yet so it isn't in the search engines.
Quote from: Ben_S on August 03, 2003, 06:54:20 PMThat said a search for simple machines will be quite high due to the words being in the domain but does it really matter?
It used to, but then Google got smart and starting ignoreing things like that because people were using site names as a way to trick people into going to porn sites (for example). Google also ignores most of the meta tags in a page AND if you're page has the same term on it more times then Google seems fit, it can blacklist your page. So say you have a 4k page, there's no reason for the term "Simple Machines" to turn up on it 90+ times (just as an example).
Juvie, just the opposite. One of the biggest factors is your url.
Quote from: groundup on August 03, 2003, 09:30:45 PM
Juvie, just the opposite. One of the biggest factors is your url.
not necessarely, domain should be in thefirst place easy to remeber for people who using it. simplemachnies will not influent on ranking much since it doesn't contain hypens and it's not likely that people would look for "simplemachnies" as one word(of course if they didn't hear about this software before) anyway simplemachnies isn't contain any clue abotu bulletin board software... so it's not important in our case.
The most important thing would be search engine friendly URL's something like Uknown made would be just perfect as they doesn't contain semicolons which is major problem.
I already say this on SE community and say it here, if each board will contain direct link instead of this "http://www.simplemachines.org/referer.php?forum=Simple+Machines+Community+Forums%7Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.simplemachines.org%2Fcommunity%7CSMF+1.0+Alpha" it would make great boost in ranking since many communities with high PR will link to us.
Quote from: groundup on August 03, 2003, 09:30:45 PM
Juvie, just the opposite. One of the biggest factors is your url.
I need to disagree with that. The URL gives very little weight with respect to the search tearm. This is according to Larry Page, a co-founder and executive of Google. The reasioning is because "url spoofing", or using a misleading url, was a common way to improve the ranking of a site with common search tearms.
This method of indexing was stoped by most of the major search engines in the last few years. The problem was that sites would submit say, www.homeworkhelp.com and get top rankings because of the domain name when they were really trying to sell cell phones. This is also why Google ignores the keywords meta-tags and will black-list pages that seem to have too many instances of the same word (another trick to get higher rankings).
A good URL name will still bring you in ahead of another site with the same ranking. Example: if your site is named IdahoLawyer and another lawyer in Idaho has the same ranking with a site called joeblowlawyer.com, a search on "idaho lawyers" will bring up the IdahoLawyer site first every time.
That being said, the difference is small enough that I changed my domain from something similar to my example to a shorter, easier to remember name because the difference was not critical.
yupp... i'd have preferred a single word name thats kinda easy to say (like yabb.. :/ lol)
Quote from: Overseer on August 04, 2003, 10:29:02 AM
yupp... i'd have preferred a single word name thats kinda easy to say (like yabb.. :/ lol)
Haha, yes, try to say 'SMF' without saying it as a abbreviation, pfffff, I had to practice that a few times ;)
QuoteHaha, yes, try to say 'SMF' without saying it as a abbreviation, pfffff, I had to practice that a few times
Sounds like I am saying Smurf. ::)
Quote from: Freakazoid on August 04, 2003, 10:44:00 AM
QuoteHaha, yes, try to say 'SMF' without saying it as a abbreviation, pfffff, I had to practice that a few times
Sounds like I am saying Smurf. ::)
You should try to put a few 'h''s in it, like saying it while breathing heavily out: s
hhhmfff ;)
Sidenote: We're getting a bit offtopic... :-X
QuoteSidenote: We're getting a bit offtopic...
Does it really matter? ;)
It's not like this is a majorly important topic IMHO.
SMurF is funny... but I think "SM-Forum" is more fun ;D
Quote from: Freakazoid on August 04, 2003, 11:01:04 AM
QuoteSidenote: We're getting a bit offtopic...
Does it really matter? ;)
It's not like this is a majorly important topic IMHO.
lol! The moderators are starting to dislike us already, Freakazoid ;) (I remember some things on YaBB.nl, like extra titles 'Offtopic master'... :-X )
Quote from: Christian Land on August 04, 2003, 11:04:59 AM
SMurF is funny... but I think "SM-Forum" is more fun ;D
Well, there's no way this forum will be found when you search for 'SM-Forum' in a search engine... ;)
Quotelol! The moderators are starting to dislike us already, Freakazoid ;) (I remember some things on YaBB.nl, like extra titles 'Offtopic master'... :-X )
Starting to? ;)
I have earned a title like that on a forum called the subspace channel(no url because it's phpbb).
I think my favorite off-topic post was when I was quoteing doctor seuss(spelling?) in the middle of a space quest discussion.
Quote from: Freakazoid on August 04, 2003, 11:08:44 AM
Starting to? ;)
I have earned a title like that on a forum called the subspace channel(no url because it's phpbb).
I think my favorite off-topic post was when I was quoteing doctor seuss(spelling?) in the middle of a space quest discussion.
lol! A good habit to start with on fora, quoting wise men in the middle of my posts! ;) (btw. doctor who?)
:P
The guy who wrote the cat in the hat, and green eggs and ham books.
My post consisted of stuff like this:
QuoteI will not eat it in a box, I will not eat it with a fox. I do not like green eggs and ham sam I am.
Quote from: Axplosion on August 04, 2003, 11:06:17 AM
Quote from: Christian Land on August 04, 2003, 11:04:59 AM
SMurF is funny... but I think "SM-Forum" is more fun ;D
Well, there's no way this forum will be found when you search for 'SM-Forum' in a search engine... ;)
:D :D :D :D
I dont think ill try that one in work
Quote from: Freakazoid on August 04, 2003, 11:11:51 AM
The guy who wrote the cat in the hat, and green eggs and ham books.
Never heard off...I don't think those books were never translated in Dutch... ^^
My post consisted of stuff like this:
Quote from: Freakazoid on August 04, 2003, 11:11:51 AM
QuoteI will not eat it in a box, I will not eat it with a fox. I do not like green eggs and ham sam I am.
Well, I have to admit, it sounds really like a wise man who wrote this! Haha!
Well these books are childrens books.
Maybe you have heard of the Grinch who stole christmas? He wrote that as well.
Quote from: Ben_S on August 04, 2003, 11:19:57 AM
Quote from: Axplosion on August 04, 2003, 11:06:17 AM
Quote from: Christian Land on August 04, 2003, 11:04:59 AM
SMurF is funny... but I think "SM-Forum" is more fun ;D
Well, there's no way this forum will be found when you search for 'SM-Forum' in a search engine... ;)
:D :D :D :D
I dont think ill try that one in work
Oh no, don't do that, or Terry Tate (http://www.manzonderkop.be/Post/?P_ID=104) will get you! (brilliant commercial!)
Quote from: Freakazoid on August 04, 2003, 11:23:04 AM
Well these books are childrens books.
Maybe you have heard of the Grinch who stole christmas? He wrote that as well.
Only heard off "The Grinch", that movie (never seen though), I think I missed something in my youth :'(
Ok..ON topic..lmao
Here's an example of google not really caring about the domain name when doing rankings.
Below is a search for the term "Forbidden Treasures" at Google. The query is for the name of a store one of my friends owns. His site is http://www.forbiddentreasures.net
http://www.google.com/search?q=Forbidden+Treasures&sourceid=opera&num=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
As you can see, it dosn't show up at all on the first page. In fact, other sites that don't even have the query in the url are given a higher ranking. In order to find his site (which he has submitted a few times and has been up for over a year now) you need to go to the second page -
http://www.google.com/search?q=Forbidden+Treasures&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&safe=off&start=10&sa=N