Well folks the Theme Contest is now closed. For the last 9 days the team have been busting their brains to narrow the voting down to the final 8. Now it's up to you guys and gals to bring the 8 down to three.
In case you all have forgotten what's at stake, the prizes are listed below.
Prizes:The Grand Prize WinnerThe Grand Prize Winner will receive:
- A FREE one year Charter Member Subscription or one year extension to an existing charter subscription,
- Their theme will be added to the Featured Theme rotation and,
- Their choice of book from O'Reilly.
The First Runner Up The First Runner Up will receive:
- Their theme will be added to the Featured Theme rotation and,
- Their choice of book from O'Reilly.
The Second Runner UpThe Second Runner Up will receive:
- Their choice of book from O'Reilly.
All you have to do is vote on each theme, rating all 8 themes between 1 - 10 (ten being highest).
The winners will be announced in
one weeks time. Designers, get your friends to vote for your theme!
Good luck to all who have made it into the final vote
You can vote here (http://custom.simplemachines.org/themes/index.php) Voting is closed!.
Good Luck
Simple Machines
Congrats to the finalists and good luck.
Good Job finalist. :) Great work!
Indeed.
Good luck to all the finalists.
Congrats to the finalists and good luck :)
Good luck to you all, votes submitted :)
Congrats. Some very good themes to choose from. Good luck to all of you!
Demos should have been shown stand alone, not in Tinyportal. Are we voting for the themes or for Tinyportal??
Also, it didn't let me vote on the last theme.
And it was rather disappointing not to see any semantic display templates.
Quote from: Dannii on April 29, 2008, 10:59:52 PM
Demos should have been shown stand alone, not in Tinyportal. Are we voting for the themes or for Tinyportal??
Also, it didn't let me vote on the last theme.
And it was rather disappointing not to see any semantic display templates.
Does it mater?
All themes work in Tinyportal as of its 1.0.5 beta.
It does matter. I wanted to vote on the actual themes themselves, not with extra layers confusing it all. It's not easy to tell where the tinyportal HTML starts and ends...
Well for now then you could add ";preview" to the end of the url and let tinyportal disable adding the layer.
I just sent a mod to our themers to let them apply it that will add an option for registered users on smfthemes.org to disable the tinyportal or not (which uses the same method as above but a little better).
Nice themes, I just expected more themes from crip to be among the finalists, thank u, good luck
some very nice themes there. Good luck everyone
voted.
for me these themes are too simple, only Kurtlar Vadisi is a little better.
The better view themes are for me of the king bloc...(really)
I don't think Bloc submits his themes to the Theme Site anymore. His choice, I guess. Plus, I'm sure he's busy with Tinyportal 1 Beta 2 and helping to develop the next generation of theme documentation for SMF 2.0.
Theme Documentation? Heh. Bloc is taking care of the theme itself... :P
Themes documentation.
Semantics Semantics ;)
yep good luck to all ... theme i liked never made it to top 8 ... ach well, also for those who are member on smfthemes.org you can now disable tp in your profile :)
danni do you do anything but complain ?
I do lots more than just complain. But I think in this case it's warranted. This is supposed to be an official competition isn't it? What are the theme demos even doing offsite? You may not expect professionalism, but I do, as do many others I'm sure.
It's just easier to do it that way. When a theme is approved by us here, it is automatically installed on SMFThemes.org without us having to actually do anything over there.
So installing the themes again would just be a waste of our time.
Is smfthemes officially affiliated with sm.org?
Quote from: Dannii on April 30, 2008, 07:52:01 PM
Is smfthemes officially affiliated with sm.org?
No. Just to clarify when a theme is approved a simple ping is sent to smfthemes.org. If another site that had a worthy cause wanted this done for them it would be done also.
I agree on the most part that it would have been better to use on-site demos. It was simply due to a lack of time that it was decided to use and already existent source. I apologize for that.
Dannii,
It appears the mod was installed that I made.
If you sign up or login at smfthemes and then go to Profile -> Look and Layout.
You can check the box to disable TinyPortal.
The box doesn't really disable tinyportal, it just stops it from adding its layer, but for the purpose you want, it should work perfectly.
I want to vote for Dilbert MC theme. Where is it?
Quote from: joe123 on May 01, 2008, 01:28:46 AM
I want to vote for Dilbert MC theme. Where is it?
That isn't a contestant in here ;)
how long is the voting open for? I don't see it in this thread.
Quote from: joe123 on May 01, 2008, 01:28:46 AM
I want to vote for Dilbert MC theme. Where is it?
This is a contest for new themes submitted between February 18, 2008 and April 18, 2008. Dilber MC is much older than that, so it was not entered into the contest. You can only vote for the eight finalists on the page.
Perplexed: -
Quote from: RunicWarrior on April 29, 2008, 06:46:13 PM
The winners will be announced in one weeks time. Designers, get your friends to vote for your theme!
ah thank you I was looking for a date :)
/me is blind
good luck, but i think that is obvious who is going to win :P
Is it me?
:P
sorry :P but no, kelo-lt by panic is the best skin for smf at the moment :)
Awwww.... I'm sad now. :(
hehe. :P
Nice work finalist, hard choice! :)
Have voted, 2-3 were hard to choose between :)
I have to protest this contest. Panic is very good designer, maybe one of the best designers here. However, his theme Kello-lt is not %100 original work. It is a rip. He has the rights for that theme because he bought it. Hence, assume I buy a theme, and send this contest, maybe after ripping, or let's say I bought a theme from someone, and submit that theme, does it mean it is an original work? I don't understand Customizers. They are saying that only original works can be voted, and they know that that theme was removed one time because it belongs to someone else, so that means they knew it was not an original theme, but it is in the vote list. Simplemachines has to be clear, or their moderators have to be at least.
Let's read what the customizers have told previously,
Quote from: Gazmanafc link=topic=223517.0
Simple Machines would like to announce today the opening of our second Theme Contest, to give our community members the challenge to create some new and exiting themes to show how nice and perhaps, exotic SMF can be.
To enter the contest, all you have to do is create a theme for the 1.1 line. You can edit as many template files as you need. A submitted theme should not be just a color edit, but should show what SMF is capable of. Team members are exempt from participating to aid in preventing bias, SMF Friends however are welcome to enter.
A winning theme will be decided based on two criteria; Originality and Overall Look. Try to create something with both of those in mind and make sure to keep an even balance. First the team will vote for finalists, then those finalists will be placed in a public vote where an overall winner will be determined.
You will have exactly two months from the timestamp of this post to register your interest in this topic and then produce the theme. If you're new to creating themes, don't be discouraged, new themes can sometimes be the best! Web Standards and testing in popular browsers will be helpful to your submission. And don't forget we may provide helpful hints and coding tricks as well.
To enter the contest as a participant, just submit your theme to the theme site like normal. All themes posted during the duration of this contest will be entered into the contest, so you are allowed to submit as many themes as you wish.
Overall Contest Rules:
Must be your own work
Must be compatible with SMF 1.1
Must comply with all current Theme Approval Guidelines (view this topic for links to localized translations)
Be cross-browser compatible
Cannot be a simple color change
Cannot have any PHP, XHTML or Javascript Errors
Team Members are ineligible of winning, SMF Friends are welcome to enter however.
Prizes:
The Grand Prize winner will receive a free one year Charter Member Subscription or one year extension to an existing charter subscription, the theme will be added to the Featured Theme rotation and their choice of book from O'Reilly.
The first runner up will also have their themes added into the Featured Theme Rotation, and also a book from O'Reilly as well.
The second runner up will also receive a book from O'Reilly.
Happy Designing!
Simple Machines
Quote from: Gazmanafc link=topic=223517.0
Indeed. 100% original works only
Especially, look at this one!
Quote from: Gazmanafc link=topic=223517.0
Must be your own work
Now, here the kello-lt theme, now it is owned by Panic, but he bought it, and it is not fair to be in this contest.
you see that it is owned by someone else
Check these please
http://forum.padexx.de/index.php/topic,565.0.html
http://one3creations.deviantart.com/art/Forum-Muck-Up-54404614
If this is a contest, that has to be fair!
There are themes ripped from other forum softwares!
Here are the last proofs about my protest!
Quote from: Gazmanafc link=topic=223517.0
The Misty theme is a port of a theme from another source, so it cant be entered into the contest.
You find these messages in the topic
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=223517.20
Quote from: SleePy on April 29, 2008, 11:31:10 PM
Quote from: Dannii on April 29, 2008, 10:59:52 PM
Demos should have been shown stand alone, not in Tinyportal. Are we voting for the themes or for Tinyportal??
Also, it didn't let me vote on the last theme.
And it was rather disappointing not to see any semantic display templates.
Does it mater?
All themes work in Tinyportal as of its 1.0.5 beta.
No they don't, if a theme is basic enough it works, but most of my themes due to the fact that they don't use classic simplemachines html, break in Tiny Portal.
And a design might look a little different when used in TP and SMF. And as far as I know this is a SMF theme competition not a TP one.
Voted! :)
TilT how we have looked at this is as panic now owns the rights to the theme it is his work, we had removed it from the contest but when the rights were bought it was re-added.
*eren how tp does it now 99% if themes work with TP, looking at all the themes I have found one that didnt fit (oddly it was one of mine) if you are registered on smfthemes.org you can disable the tp.
There is also an account available for testing with TP disabled
username: test
password: smfthemes
Voted!
stealed or not... kello-lt is a great theme ^^
Quote from: RunicWarrior on May 03, 2008, 09:02:56 AMTilT how we have looked at this is as panic now owns the rights to the theme it is his work, we had removed it from the contest but when the rights were bought it was re-added.
Even if he has the rights, it can't in any meaningful sense be called original.
Quote from: ALEJO on May 03, 2008, 04:01:41 PM
stealed or not... kello-lt is a great theme ^^
I didn't say it is stolen. He didn't know that theme was copyrighted to share. After he learned, he bought the theme. I just said that if smf says only original works can be voted, they have to keep their promise. Otherwise, this contest is unfair!
Quote from: RunicWarrior on May 03, 2008, 09:02:56 AM
TilT how we have looked at this is as panic now owns the rights to the theme it is his work, we had removed it from the contest but when the rights were bought it was re-added.
It doesn't matter that he bought the theme because it doesn't mean it is an original work. Please read what you have written at the beginning of the contest. Actually, Gazmanafc has written, but he has written the rules of the contest on be half of the sm. It is not nice that you change the rule for someone. By the way, this is not about Panic, or his work. He can make better works. He is very talentfull. Everybody knows his nice themes. It is nice for him to buy a theme, and share it for smf people after porting it. You can put that theme in the featured theme list without waiting the contest result because it deserves it. However, I disagree that he has rights to join the contest with that theme. It is not an original work. It doesn't mean he created those images after buying the theme. There are darknight, mystystyle, or someother themes in this category of which the images are not created by the author.
Quote from: Dannii on May 03, 2008, 10:53:27 PM
Quote from: RunicWarrior on May 03, 2008, 09:02:56 AMTilT how we have looked at this is as panic now owns the rights to the theme it is his work, we had removed it from the contest but when the rights were bought it was re-added.
Even if he has the rights, it can't in any meaningful sense be called original.
I am happy that there are some people joining my protest. Thanks,
Quote from: Dannii on May 03, 2008, 10:53:27 PM
Quote from: RunicWarrior on May 03, 2008, 09:02:56 AMTilT how we have looked at this is as panic now owns the rights to the theme it is his work, we had removed it from the contest but when the rights were bought it was re-added.
Even if he has the rights, it can't in any meaningful sense be called original.
In very Start of contest many Team persons say, themes must be 100% original work -- how can Theme kelo-lt be that?
It's 100% original yes, but Not panic's cuz he say that he got permission? [ Reminder (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=234170.0) ] .. could other of his Themes be actually his....#?--
..or is he an exception to the rule?
Don't get me wrong but what if I had bought a design, integrated it into SMF and entered into the contest, how would you know if the fact that the design was someone elses didn't come out?
Think of this theme as the joint work of Panic and the DeviantArt guy. There is nothing that says two people can't enter the contest.
Hi!
Time to join the discussion. :)
First of all it it nice to read that so many like the kelo-lt theme and it was a good decission to make it possible that it is availavbe for SMF again. The circumstances and the copyright have been discussed before. Only this again: Copyright has to be respected!
I've never submitted the theme to chase any prizes. It was just coded in time and submitted to the repository. To let the theme participate in the contest wasn't my decission! It was chosen by others. So please don't blame me! No one has done this yet. But I just wanted to make this clear.
The theme is exclusively available for SMF. But yes, it was not created by only one person. I did only the coding and the design has been done by Andrew. In the end I've bought it and obtained full rights for kelo-lt.
That is all I can say. Everything else is out of my sphere of influence.
greetings
Patrick
No offence panic but, it still isn't "(100%)" original and by rule this theme should have Never been submitted to this contest by whomever !!
No, I'm not blaming you @ all pal ..the blame if any belongs to the one who approved it to be in this contest, to me the rules were clear & should have been followed completely but fact is they weren't.
Nothing against Panic, and I'm sure he's not taking it personally, but I find myself agreeing to TilT's arguments. If Kelo-LT wasn't an original theme by the definition of original (100% author's creation, instead of just 100% author's implementation), then it should not have been included in the contest.
QuoteYou can put that theme in the featured theme list without waiting the contest result because it deserves it. However, I disagree that he has rights to join the contest with that theme. It is not an original work. It doesn't mean he created those images after buying the theme.
That sums it up nicely for me, instead of going on a long rant. I find Kelo-LT to be a beautiful theme and worthy of being featured. Just not one that should be included in this contest, as per the rules.
Quote from: *eren on May 04, 2008, 08:03:07 AM
Think of this theme as the joint work of Panic and the DeviantArt guy. There is nothing that says two people can't enter the contest.
This is exactly why the theme returned to the contest. We consider as a joint effort. After all, we did say that joint efforts
ARE allowed.
The theme IS original. It just required more than one person to create it, that's all.
Quote from: crip on May 04, 2008, 01:41:33 PM
No offence panic but, it still isn't "(100%)" original and by rule this theme should have Never been submitted to this contest by whomever !!
Can you honestly say all your themes where original ... even though most of yours are just variations of previous, same coding just different images and colors (yet alot of images are just color changes) ... the point is that none of you know if the theme was entered as a joint bid just as *eren said:
Quotethink of this theme as the joint work of Panic and the DeviantArt guy. There is nothing that says two people can't enter the contest.
If the customization team views it that way, then that's fine. They are the final word on how rules are interpreted for the contest, not us. It's obvious this issue has come up and has been resolved in a way that the Customization Team deems fair. Let the best theme author win, then.
Quote from: RunicWarrior on May 04, 2008, 02:11:39 PM
Can you honestly say all your themes where original ...
Yes RunicWarrior, I can honestly say that. :)
I will say no more about this..to me this subject / topic is closed.
Quote from: RunicWarrior on April 29, 2008, 06:46:13 PM
Well folks the Theme Contest is now closed. For the last 9 days the team have been busting their brains to narrow the voting down to the final 8. Now it's up to you guys and gals to bring the 8 down to three.
How come Dilbert MC is not among those themes ?
I would not give any theme more than 7/10, and I would give Dilber MC 10/10
as Dilber was not submitted during the comp running, it was submitted before the comp started
Quote from: RunicWarrior on May 04, 2008, 04:54:19 PM
as Dilber was not submitted during the comp running, it was submitted before the comp started
yes Sir, but how do you feel about inviting the members to vote on themes that do not include the ones they already voted for by downloading them ?
every download of a theme is an implicit vote to that Theme, and if Dilber MC is the most popular theme, there surely is a reason to that. right ?
I believe that the strongest reason that this contest first existed was to encourage designers to create more themes.
How could you encourage people the way you say it. Noone says Dilber theme is bad or worse than the ones here.
Remember this contest's aim isn't to select the best theme ever, but to select the best theme submitted during the time period.
Take the Oscar Academy Awards for example, if it was the way you say it, Godfather, Scarface or Lord Of The Rings would win all the contests and there would be no reason to do it every year.
Quote from: *eren on May 04, 2008, 05:46:05 PM
I believe that the strongest reason that this contest first existed was to encourage designers to create more themes.
How could you encourage people the way you say it. Noone says Dilber theme is bad or worse than the ones here.
Remember this contest's aim isn't to select the best theme ever, but to select the best theme submitted during the time period.
you do have a point that only candidates to any prize can be considered for the prize
I am not aware how long the competition was open, and why Harzem did not join this competition
Quote from: Sincere on May 04, 2008, 04:30:03 PM
How come Dilbert MC is not among those themes ?
I would not give any theme more than 7/10, and I would give Dilber MC 10/10
My feeling as well. I would give 20 on a 1-10 scale for Dilber MC theme.
This is also obvious from the number of downloads.
This contest is doubtful for me, and I believe that is same for many people although they don't talk about their ideas here. We are not blaming Panic, but you are defending very wrong thing. It is obvious that Kello-lt is not original work of Panic! To defend your ideas you are blaming people, not I am. Crip's themes are original although they seem same them self. However, his themes are clean, very proper, and most important they are original work. He is just using some small free images in the net. Anyway, I believe that you know his themes are perfect. However, to support your fault, you shouldn't blame someone. You are supposed to be fair if this is a serious contest. If the theme Kello-lt wins this (I believe it will), this contest means corrupted! This is not Simple Machines like the years' ago!
Quote from: joe123 on May 04, 2008, 06:22:26 PM
Quote from: Sincere on May 04, 2008, 04:30:03 PM
How come Dilbert MC is not among those themes ?
I would not give any theme more than 7/10, and I would give Dilber MC 10/10
My feeling as well. I would give 20 on a 1-10 scale for Dilber MC theme.
This is also obvious from the number of downloads.
great. how important is it for your board to have Dilber MC for smf2.0 ?
Please pledge donating something to Dilber MC to encourage the author to work on it and get it done so that we can all upgrade to smf2.0 soon
Quote from: Sincere on May 04, 2008, 06:31:13 PM
Quote from: joe123 on May 04, 2008, 06:22:26 PM
Quote from: Sincere on May 04, 2008, 04:30:03 PM
How come Dilbert MC is not among those themes ?
I would not give any theme more than 7/10, and I would give Dilber MC 10/10
My feeling as well. I would give 20 on a 1-10 scale for Dilber MC theme.
This is also obvious from the number of downloads.
great. how important is it for your board to have Dilber MC for smf2.0 ?
Please pledge donating something to Dilber MC to encourage the author to work on it and get it done so that we can all upgrade to smf2.0 soon
Sincere, this is not the place or time to comment on that. Please take this to the Theme's comment thread. And a word of caution, as most theme authors won't be upgrading their themes until SMF's semantic layouts have been better defined.
Quote from: TilT on May 04, 2008, 06:27:44 PM
This contest is doubtful for me, and I believe that is same for many people although they don't talk about their ideas here. We are not blaming Panic, but you are defending very wrong thing. It is obvious that Kello-lt is not original work of Panic! To defend your ideas you are blaming people, not I am. Crip's themes are original although they seem same them self. However, his themes are clean, very proper, and most important they are original work. He is just using some small free images in the net. Anyway, I believe that you know his themes are perfect. However, to support your fault, you shouldn't blame someone. You are supposed to be fair if this is a serious contest. If the theme Kello-lt wins this (I believe it will), this contest means corrupted! This is not Simple Machines like the years' ago!
I have seen in the past many examples of pre-fixed- contests that aim at encouraging one or more products.
I can't accuse the smf team of having tried to do something like this here, because I don't know how long the competition was open and why Harzem did not join in .
But frankly I am not at all worried about this because no matter what you do, every webmaster is finally casting his own vote by downloading Dilber MC and thus, no matter what the results of the vote are, dilber would still get what it deserves.
Quote from: Eliana Tamerin on May 04, 2008, 06:41:27 PM
Quote from: Sincere on May 04, 2008, 06:31:13 PM
Quote from: joe123 on May 04, 2008, 06:22:26 PM
Quote from: Sincere on May 04, 2008, 04:30:03 PM
How come Dilbert MC is not among those themes ?
I would not give any theme more than 7/10, and I would give Dilber MC 10/10
My feeling as well. I would give 20 on a 1-10 scale for Dilber MC theme.
This is also obvious from the number of downloads.
great. how important is it for your board to have Dilber MC for smf2.0 ?
Please pledge donating something to Dilber MC to encourage the author to work on it and get it done so that we can all upgrade to smf2.0 soon
Sincere, this is not the place or time to comment on that. Please take this to the Theme's comment thread. And a word of caution, as most theme authors won't be upgrading their themes until SMF's semantic layouts have been better defined.
you are right eliana.
you are right.
Quote from: Sincere on May 04, 2008, 06:31:13 PM
Please pledge donating something to Dilber MC to encourage the author to work on it and get it done so that we can all upgrade to smf2.0 soon
I already posted that I have donated to Dilber Hazerm. I believe in helping. I said that I encourage Deilber to charge for those who want 2.0 or whatever, or maybe give 2.0 to those who have already contributed to his fund - that would be fair.
Quote from: joe123 on May 04, 2008, 06:51:37 PM
Quote from: Sincere on May 04, 2008, 06:31:13 PM
Please pledge donating something to Dilber MC to encourage the author to work on it and get it done so that we can all upgrade to smf2.0 soon
I already posted that I have donated to Dilber Hazerm. I believe in helping. I said that I encourage Deilber to charge for those who want 2.0 or whatever, or maybe give 2.0 to those who have already contributed to his fund - that would be fair.
thank you for your kind reply.
you are right again.
I too would back your suggestion to make Dilber MC 2.0 for smf2.0 a paid theme.
I even have a much better proposal.
SMF should buy Dilber MC from Harzem to make it the default theme ....
I would back with money any of those solutions.
Quote from: Sincere on May 04, 2008, 06:54:34 PM
I even have a much better proposal.
SMF should buy Dilber MC from Harzem to make it the default theme ....
That is
THE BEST idea of all! You hit the nail right on the head.
You should start a new SUBJECT on this at the SMF New feature request section and you can count on my vote.
Great Idea!
Quote from: TilT on May 04, 2008, 06:27:44 PM
It is obvious that Kello-lt is not original work of Panic!
Who said it had to be designed by the person who submitted the theme?
We stated that joint efforts in the contest were permitted, and thats what this is, a joint effort between Panic and Andrew. Andrew designed it, and Panic coded it. It's as simple as that. There is no rule violation with the Kelo-LT theme being in the contest, which is why it's there in the first place.
Like I said before, the theme is an original work, in fact it's more original than most of the other themes we saw which were generally just recolour edits of previous themes by that author.
As for the Dilber stuff, there's no point in discussing it, it's the most popular theme because it's been around a long time, that has no baring on this contest. In fact, the two issues are unrelated. Like Eren said this contest is for themes submitted in a certain time frame (2 months), HarzeM probably didn't join in because he has other stuff to do, and didn't have time to create a new theme.
The Dilber theme WILL NOT be made core in SMF 2.0, because all themes in the core package are designed by Simple Machines LLC.
Personally, I don't see why it's so popular myself...
Quote from: joe123 on May 04, 2008, 07:01:02 PM
Quote from: Sincere on May 04, 2008, 06:54:34 PM
I even have a much better proposal.
SMF should buy Dilber MC from Harzem to make it the default theme ....
That is THE BEST idea of all! You hit the nail right on the head.
You should start a new SUBJECT on this at the SMF New feature request section and you can count on my vote.
Great Idea!
Please do back my suggestion
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=237583.msg1531067#msg1531067
Quote from: Gazmanafc on May 04, 2008, 07:16:53 PM
The Dilber theme WILL NOT be made core in SMF 2.0, because all themes in the core package are designed by Simple Machines LLC.
Personally, I don't see why it's so popular myself...
What an arrogant and short sighted post.
The reason why Dilber theme is popular has nothing to do with the lengh of time it has been around, but the fact that it is the best one availble not by
YOUR or MY opinions, but by the popularity of the theme itself.
Quote from: Gazmanafc on May 04, 2008, 07:16:53 PM
As for the Dilber stuff, there's no point in discussing it, it's the most popular theme because it's been around a long time
.......
The Dilber theme WILL NOT be made core in SMF 2.0, because all themes in the core package are designed by Simple Machines LLC.
OK. let us have a new poll and ask all the members to vote for their preferred theme.
Would SMF democractically accept to adopt as the smf core theme the theme that wins most votes in that new poll ?
Quote from: joe123 on May 04, 2008, 07:35:03 PM
Quote from: Gazmanafc on May 04, 2008, 07:16:53 PM
The Dilber theme WILL NOT be made core in SMF 2.0, because all themes in the core package are designed by Simple Machines LLC.
Personally, I don't see why it's so popular myself...
What an arrogant and short sighted post.
The reason why Dilber theme is popular has nothing to do with the lengh of time it has been around, but the fact that it is the best one availble not by YOUR or MY opinions, but by the popularity of the theme itself.
No Joe No. This is a very negative way of answering. No.
Gazmanafc does have a point when he says that it is not fair to compare themes uniquely on the basis of the number of downloads as that would falsely give advantage to the older themes.
I did suggest a solution to this: a new poll that is announced to all members (by an email to every member inviting him or her to vote for his preferred theme)
I would then ask smf to respect the public's choice. That is a much more constructive way of answering Gazmanafc's post.
Actually, the length of time does have an effect on how popular the theme is. I mean, how can a theme get that many downloads in say a week? But that is not the factor we are looking at in this contest.
Like I said, I don't see why it's so popular myself. I don't see whats so great about theme and that's my opinion like you said, and as such I don't use the theme, I create my own for my forum. You like the theme, which is okay, and I respect that.
Quote from: Sincere on May 04, 2008, 07:36:15 PM
OK. let us have a new poll and ask all the members to vote for their preferred theme.
Would SMF democractically accept to adopt as the smf core theme the theme that wins most votes in that new poll ?
I'd say no. Because like I said before, we design our default themes ourselves, and it just isnt right to pay someone else to use their theme as the default theme for our own software when we can design one ourselves.
Quote from: Gazmanafc on May 04, 2008, 07:44:17 PM
Actually, the length of time does have an effect on how popular the theme is. I mean, how can a theme get that many downloads in say a week? But that is not the factor we are looking at in this contest.
Like I said, I don't see why it's so popular myself. I don't see whats so great about theme and that's my opinion like you said, and as such I don't use the theme, I create my own for my forum. You like the theme, which is okay, and I respect that.
Quote from: Sincere on May 04, 2008, 07:36:15 PM
OK. let us have a new poll and ask all the members to vote for their preferred theme.
Would SMF democractically accept to adopt as the smf core theme the theme that wins most votes in that new poll ?
I'd say no. Because like I said before, we design our default themes ourselves, and it just isnt right to pay someone else to use their theme as the default theme for our own software when we can design one ourselves.
Thank you
I'll die before I surrender.
Would you back my idea of inviting all members by email notice to vote on their preferred theme?
There is a lot more that goes into a default theme than just the style. For example it has to be easily translatable (themes with text in images can't be translated as easily). It also has to be easy to make change. This is one of the weak spots on our current default theme but the default theme in 2.0 will be more semantic, etc.
Quote from: winrules on May 04, 2008, 07:53:26 PM
There is a lot more that goes into a default theme than just the style. For example it has to be easily translatable (themes with text in images can't be translated as easily). It also has to be easy to make change. This is one of the weak spots on our current default theme but the default theme in 2.0 will be more semantic, etc.
thank you very much for taking the time to explain HOW you decide on the default theme.
Let me reply to your very kind message with this:
How difficult is it for the smf team to make the default theme a multi-color ? a theme where every member can in one single click choose his preferred color of a set of many different colors
Why are you using this thread to discuss an issue that isn't even pertinent? It doesn't belong here. Keep discussion about your campaign in the thread you started.
This topic should be used to discuss the contest participants, themes and the opinions on those presented. If a theme isn't in the contest, why are you talking about it? I would highly suggest that the off-topic comments be split from this thread, as they have no purpose of being here.
Please lets do keep it on topic. These guys did a great job with their themes and they deserve the recognition for their impressive work.
Well I have voted...
Quote from: *eren on May 04, 2008, 08:03:07 AMDon't get me wrong but what if I had bought a design, integrated it into SMF and entered into the contest, how would you know if the fact that the design was someone elses didn't come out?
Well I wouldn't be happy with that either...
QuoteThink of this theme as the joint work of Panic and the DeviantArt guy. There is nothing that says two people can't enter the contest.
Is the DeviantArt guy part of the SM community, and would any prizes be split between them? If that is the case, then it's fine IMO. I however thought the situation was that panic bought some random theme he liked and converted it to SMF, which isn't a team effort, it's a conversion.
Quote from: Dannii on May 05, 2008, 12:21:49 PM
Is the DeviantArt guy part of the SM community, and would any prizes be split between them?
I think that only one party has to be a member here, in this case panic. We did say that prizes can be split between the two, but I think panic and Andrew can discuss that amongst themselves and then let us know where to distribute the prizes.
Do you know if panic bought the exclusive rights?
If the team wants to see this theme as a joint effort that's fine, and that's their choice. It just seems to me from the little I know that the theme was designed by someone with no interests in SMF and then converted by someone else. Such a converted theme would be against the spirit of the comp. A joint effort wouldn't be. It's up to you.
Quote from: Dannii on May 05, 2008, 12:21:49 PM
Is the DeviantArt guy part of the SM community, and would any prizes be split between them?
it would be nice if we can uncover who the winners are and how they are related to any members in the jury......
It would be nice to see people stop throwing accusations and insults towards members and staff members.
Quote from: CoreISP on May 05, 2008, 01:35:42 PM
It would be nice to see people stop throwing accusations and insults towards members and staff members.
if anyone has been insulted, it is me
if anyone has been insulting, it is Eliana
with a topic closed to prevent the discussion, abrupt negative undiplomatic answers from some moderators ..... there is something that smells fishy here.
simple. Hes my cousin's sisters mothers aunt's second cousin seven times removed :D
"I'm judge and i'm Jury and I'm executioner too!"
-- Metallica, Dirty Window
"Guilty as charged, but damnit it aint right, theres someone else controlling me"
-- Metallica, Ride the Lightning
nah.. i kid :)
I understand everyone's points but I don't see how we can conceivably block a theme which meets each of the restrictions of the rules that were presented.
The theme WAS actually removed when the license came into question. If he legally owns the rights to the design then he also reserves the rights to do what he desires with that design. And regardless, the theme still had to be coded and polished. Sure, having a design makes things easier, but that doesn't mean that there was no original work that went into things.
This has been discussd ad nauseum, both points have been presented and considered, and a decision has been made on it. At this point its getting to the point of insults, and we will not go down that road. Lets move on and not spoil the moment for all the people who put in so much hard work for their themes.
well said metallica48423,
just to put pressure on ALL finalists and voters alike but there is 1 day left of voting!!
imo this fight got too far in the wrong thread
Quote from: Sincere on May 05, 2008, 01:21:15 PM
Quote from: Dannii on May 05, 2008, 12:21:49 PM
Is the DeviantArt guy part of the SM community, and would any prizes be split between them?
it would be nice if we can uncover who the winners are and how they are related to any members in the jury......
At this point the thread becomes out of hand if you ask me. Team members involved in this competition have explained why the theme is allowed and that it does not violate the terms of the competition.
The competition clearly has one goal and one goal only and that is to encourage more designers to get involved and how there works. Quite why so many have decided to take such a negative tone on what is intended as something positive for SMF users is beyond me.
Just vote and get back on topic. :)
Quote from: RunicWarrior on May 05, 2008, 02:31:45 PM
well said metallica48423,
just to put pressure on ALL finalists and voters alike but there is 1 day left of voting!!
LoL, the anticipation is killing me. :)
voting is now closed!!