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Simple Machines => News and Updates => Topic started by: karlbenson on September 07, 2008, 07:07:36 PM

Title: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: karlbenson on September 07, 2008, 07:07:36 PM
The fourth beta of SMF includes numerous fixes for bugs reported since Beta 3, and includes a set of updated templates for the default theme which have been designed to be more semantic in order to improve accessibility.

Major changes since the last release:

• Semantic Templates

Please note that there is a risk that the new semantic templates may impact how other 3rd party or edited themes are displayed to the user after an upgrade. Whilst Simple Machines have carried out testing to identify and eliminate such problems, there's always a possibility that some problems will not be detected. As such, we recommend that people do not upgrade production forums until they have tested the impact of the upgrade. If you do detect problems following the upgrade please post a topic into the support board detailing the nature of the problem, and we'll do our best to assist as quickly as possible. Note that any problems that do occur are likely to be relatively minor, and easily remedied. If a problem does occur, and you fix it yourself, please post what the cause and fix were – so we can ensure the upgrader fixes these things for future upgrades.

The packages include everything you need to install a fresh board, or to upgrade from 2.0 Beta 3.1 – or any previous version of SMF. You can checkout the changelog on the download page for a full list of changes. We're also very keen to hear your feedback, positive and negative, to help us continue to improve the software.

http://download.simplemachines.org/ (http://download.simplemachines.org/)

Thank you for your interest in our software!
- The Simple Machines Team
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: Leemy on September 07, 2008, 09:59:10 PM
Sweet, Beta 4!  Hope this perfects the bug fixes/stability.  That's it, I am taking the plunge and setting up a Test Forum.  If all goes well, in 2 weeks I may just go to SMF 2.0. :)

Thanks, developers and the full SMF team!
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: Panache Web on September 07, 2008, 10:53:00 PM
talk about spiffy..
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: aldo on September 07, 2008, 11:24:28 PM
Sweet! Will there be a package to upgrade from SMF 2.0 Beta 3.1 to Beta 4? :S
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: Dannii on September 07, 2008, 11:39:03 PM
Yes it's on the download page.
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: aldo on September 07, 2008, 11:40:13 PM
Usually there is a Modification you can get right from the Package Manager in the Package Manager.
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: Thantos on September 07, 2008, 11:40:43 PM
Not between betas and RCs
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: aldo on September 07, 2008, 11:41:47 PM
Ok. Was about to ask that ;)
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: vagrant on September 07, 2008, 11:53:35 PM
Would like to add a BIG Thanks for all the hard work the SMF team do. ... It get better all the time :)

vagrant
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: elwizard on September 08, 2008, 04:48:19 AM
This will let to find more issues and make better product. Good news this one, too!
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: Du! on September 08, 2008, 04:56:52 AM
Great! Thanks =)
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: AlenNS on September 08, 2008, 05:35:06 AM
I have Beta 3.1 and I want to upgrade to Beta 4.
Will I lose all my modifications?

I want to install it via webinstall.
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: karlbenson on September 08, 2008, 08:43:13 AM
Yes, when you upgrade, you'll need to replace your files again.

Its not like going from 1.1.5 to 1.1.6 via the package manager.

Once you've upgraded ,modifications will need re-installng, however, some might not work with the new semantic theme and may need updating.
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: LinkinParkBoy on September 08, 2008, 08:57:59 AM
Next version is final right?

Nice Job
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: karlbenson on September 08, 2008, 09:00:16 AM
No. There are several RC's to come.

I would imagine if there are any urgent bugs to fix, a patch aka beta 4.1 public would be released aswell.
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: Sudhakar Arjunan on September 08, 2008, 02:02:04 PM
Hi Congrates for 2.0 beta 4 public.

could i upgrade from 1.1.5 to 2.0 beta 4 public.

Is that possible. Or if i want to be a chapter member will you help me in transferring my 1.1.5 to 2.0 beta 4  without fixing mods.
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: babjusi on September 08, 2008, 02:32:09 PM
Nice read Karl, thanks :)


Quote from: asudhakar on September 08, 2008, 02:02:04 PM
Hi Congrates for 2.0 beta 4 public.

could i upgrade from 1.1.5 to 2.0 beta 4 public.

Is that possible. Or if i want to be a chapter member will you help me in transferring my 1.1.5 to 2.0 beta 4  without fixing mods.

Yes, you can upgrade from 1.1.5 to 2.0 beta 4 public.

Here you can read all about the upgrade

http://docs.simplemachines.org/index.php?board=3.0;sort=subject

It is best to make a thorough backup of your database and forum files before you upgrade your forum. Just in case you might want to roll back to 1.1.6 or the upgrade doesn''t go as planned.

If you are uncomfortable with doing the upgrade yourself, then you can become a Charter Member and that entitles you to one upgrade, among other things. Meaning that the upgrade will be performed by a Team Member after you open a ticket at the Help Desk.



Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on September 08, 2008, 02:41:03 PM
Can I use the webinstall to upgrade from 2.0 beta 3 to beta 4?
Do I have to deactivate all my packages before upgrading with the webinstall (if it's possible..)?
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: metallica48423 on September 08, 2008, 03:31:33 PM
you might be able to, not sure 100%.  feel free to try it -- i would but webinstall won't work on my server.  beta 3 to beta 4 is considered a large upgrade and all files will need to be overwritten.

as for mods, yes.
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: kizer on September 08, 2008, 05:07:55 PM
Im curious to see what the new installer looks like. I'm just waiting for it to go final before making the jump.
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: metallica48423 on September 08, 2008, 05:15:40 PM
kizer, you could always set up a test board and do a fake upgrade ;)
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: feline on September 08, 2008, 05:35:29 PM
Just I see, that in the index.php the forum version is not a Public  ;)

$forum_version = 'SMF 2.0 Beta 4';

Fel
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: Xarcell on September 08, 2008, 11:09:53 PM
I thought this version would remain with charter members. Looks like I was wrong :)  I'll take a look at the new templates and try to leave some feedback.
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: goldenboy48 on September 08, 2008, 11:41:32 PM
Thank you for your hard work...Its appreciated...
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: Nao 尚 on September 09, 2008, 09:06:51 AM
Quote from: feline on September 08, 2008, 05:35:29 PM
Just I see, that in the index.php the forum version is not a Public  ;)

$forum_version = 'SMF 2.0 Beta 4';
Ah yes, I forgot to mention that when I noticed it too... It's probably an oversight, since the changelog itself was updated with "SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public" as the version number.
I guess it's no big deal, though.
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: feline on September 09, 2008, 09:51:55 AM
I wonder me, because I wont install my Portal and see ... nothing  :o

Clearly, I have used "Beta 4 Public" in package .. like beta 3  ;)

Fel
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: iceman~ on September 10, 2008, 06:37:25 AM
Thanks .... Was looking forward for this ...
Just a question ...
I have personalised the default themes colour combination, would that get effected by this update ?
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: Sun11 on September 10, 2008, 01:36:06 PM
i upgrated but had many problem with this. so i have gone back to 3.1
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: 青山 素子 on September 10, 2008, 02:33:16 PM
Quote from: iceman~ on September 10, 2008, 06:37:25 AM
I have personalised the default themes colour combination, would that get effected by this update ?

Ask for support in the support boards, please.


Quote from: Sunite on September 10, 2008, 01:36:06 PM
i upgrated but had many problem with this. so i have gone back to 3.1

Please let us know what issues you had in the correct boards so that we can either help you or fix the problems.
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: pizad_sura on September 12, 2008, 07:44:03 AM
I Still Use 1.1.6 ^^
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: shadow82x on September 12, 2008, 07:38:48 PM
I suppose theres still a lot more template edits to go?
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: Fustrate on September 13, 2008, 01:51:36 AM
Ya, looks like it, although I expect a few tables to stay because of tabular data.
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: 青山 素子 on September 13, 2008, 01:53:46 AM
Yes, there will be more theme changes. We just couldn't get all of them done in time for this release.
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on September 13, 2008, 08:13:46 AM
Quote from: Motoko-chan on September 13, 2008, 01:53:46 AM
Yes, there will be more theme changes. We just couldn't get all of them done in time for this release.
Please for next release fix these BAD bugs:
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=260683
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=260588
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: Fustrate on September 13, 2008, 02:22:18 PM
You've reported those bugs, they've been acknowledged and put into the bug tracker... no need to repost them here ;)
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on September 13, 2008, 04:58:03 PM
Quote from: YodaOfDarkness on September 13, 2008, 02:22:18 PM
You've reported those bugs, they've been acknowledged and put into the bug tracker... no need to repost them here ;)
Ok... :)
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: riker on September 13, 2008, 05:17:32 PM
More bugs

http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=260724.0 (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=260724.0)
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: JaLeStyLe on September 19, 2008, 08:10:36 AM
nice joB SMF Developers :)
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: webzen on September 19, 2008, 02:25:45 PM
Where can I activate this nifty "Quick-Reply" feature — I've been vying for it for many years, now... thanks!
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public
Post by: Thantos on September 19, 2008, 03:26:27 PM
QR has been in SMF since 1.0.

http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?action=profile;sa=theme

Use quick reply on topic display:
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: scimmiotto on September 29, 2008, 02:39:53 AM
i read that smf 2.0 final will be release in final days of this year...am i right?
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: 青山 素子 on September 29, 2008, 03:12:25 AM
That is a goal, it isn't a firm date.
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: TheWrath! on September 29, 2008, 10:42:21 AM
When will SMF 2.0 be ready for production sites? I am curious because I am really anxious to get it working on a  live site
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: Nao 尚 on September 29, 2008, 12:20:30 PM
Quote from: TheWrath! on September 29, 2008, 10:42:21 AM
When will SMF 2.0 be ready for production sites? I am curious because I am really anxious to get it working on a  live site
It's working on lots of live websites even now... Check out mine. Been using 2.0 on my website for a year now. And whenever I had a problem, I simply reported it to the dev team, sometimes along with the fix. Nothing creepy.
Of course you want to be php-aware before you use beta software. But it's close to completion, so if you don't experience any problems in the first few days, it should work...
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: emacias on September 29, 2008, 12:32:47 PM
Hello: I want to know: Is There a module for LDAP, Actually I have installed smf 1.1.6 but i don't find ldap module, I need information about that, please someone can help me???
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: metallica48423 on September 29, 2008, 12:48:07 PM
emacias: http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=247449.0
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: TheWrath! on September 29, 2008, 02:26:11 PM
Quote from: Nao 尚 on September 29, 2008, 12:20:30 PM
Quote from: TheWrath! on September 29, 2008, 10:42:21 AM
When will SMF 2.0 be ready for production sites? I am curious because I am really anxious to get it working on a  live site
It's working on lots of live websites even now... Check out mine. Been using 2.0 on my website for a year now. And whenever I had a problem, I simply reported it to the dev team, sometimes along with the fix. Nothing creepy.
Of course you want to be php-aware before you use beta software. But it's close to completion, so if you don't experience any problems in the first few days, it should work...

Thank you Nao 尚!
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: bastones on September 29, 2008, 06:14:32 PM
To be honest I like the old theme and smilies - its unique to any other forum software - but I'm sure 2.0 just tops above that! I've tried using phpBB3 without having to struggle - the admin centre is so complicated it takes 10 minutes to even create the first board after having to tweak permissions, etc etc. SMF is so simple and its unique in its own right - can't believe I've not used it before. I was considering to use YaBB while I couldn't install it properly so I've chose SMF and within minutes boards were already set up with correct permissions.

Great to see SMF could be released near Christmas as that's a good time of year - not long now! :)
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: shadow82x on September 29, 2008, 06:42:22 PM
Quote from: bastones on September 29, 2008, 06:14:32 PM
To be honest I like the old theme and smilies - its unique to any other forum software - but I'm sure 2.0 just tops above that! I've tried using phpBB3 without having to struggle - the admin centre is so complicated it takes 10 minutes to even create the first board after having to tweak permissions, etc etc. SMF is so simple and its unique in its own right - can't believe I've not used it before. I was considering to use YaBB while I couldn't install it properly so I've chose SMF and within minutes boards were already set up with correct permissions.

Great to see SMF could be released near Christmas as that's a good time of year - not long now! :)
Glad you like SMF. :D
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: scimmiotto on September 30, 2008, 01:49:53 AM
k. tnx anyway for this great and FREE beta :)
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: ChaosDay on October 04, 2008, 07:32:18 AM
First, thanks for your great work!
I have a question: what pefix would have the next release - RC, Beta or Stable?
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: babjusi on October 04, 2008, 07:36:32 AM
Quote from: ChaosDay on October 04, 2008, 07:32:18 AM
I have a question: what pefix would have the next release - RC, Beta or Stable?

I do believe the next release would be the first RC
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: ChaosDay on October 04, 2008, 08:23:50 AM
Thanks for answer. And when approximately this RC would be released?
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: babjusi on October 04, 2008, 08:24:58 AM
Quote from: ChaosDay on October 04, 2008, 08:23:50 AM
Thanks for answer. And when approximately this RC would be released?

The motto for this question is that it will be released when it is ready
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: metallica48423 on October 04, 2008, 11:29:17 AM
babjusi is correct.

We generally do not set release dates.  When the developers feel that the new version is ready they will release it.
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: HecKel on October 04, 2008, 11:30:41 AM
When you see something different in the version of this community is a signal :P
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: ceejay77 on October 10, 2008, 01:29:10 AM
I have just downloaded latest version and is looking good
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: Stasvde on October 19, 2008, 03:06:04 PM
the development team did a great job.
i have two question`s
will the software reach the rc or final status until the end of this year?
my other one is about the wap2 support:
is planed to support displaying pictures by using wap2 ?
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: Oldiesmann on October 19, 2008, 06:14:40 PM
1. Yes, it will definitely reach RC status by the end of the year, and we are hoping to even have the final version out by then.

2. No, we have no plans to display smileys or other images in WAP2 or either of the other two wireless modes. It eats up cell-phone bandwidth (thereby only making it useful for those who have unlimited data transfer), and it makes the pages take longer to load.
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: Stasvde on October 20, 2008, 02:16:10 AM
Quote from: Oldiesmann on October 19, 2008, 06:14:40 PM
1. Yes, it will definitely reach RC status by the end of the year, and we are hoping to even have the final version out by then.

2. No, we have no plans to display smileys or other images in WAP2 or either of the other two wireless modes. It eats up cell-phone bandwidth (thereby only making it useful for those who have unlimited data transfer), and it makes the pages take longer to load.
Thank you for the quick information, i will forward them to my members.
once again thank you for your great work.
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: Enc0der on October 20, 2008, 06:17:17 AM
Quote from: Oldiesmann on October 19, 2008, 06:14:40 PM
1. Yes, it will definitely reach RC status by the end of the year, and we are hoping to even have the final version out by then.
These are great news!
Please make sure to have a working RTL support on the default theme as the current one in beta 4 is totally broken...
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: Eleglin on October 20, 2008, 08:14:45 AM
There are a lot of variations between the theme for SMF 1.1 and 2.0...
I hope that a guide will be done for helping people who have customized their themes in the previous version. It would be great.. :s
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: AlenNS on October 25, 2008, 06:28:23 AM
Why there is no link tree on the bottom of the page?
Can this be added?

I would like to add it to be like this?

Thanks in advance! :)

(http://i33.tinypic.com/28u60qq.jpg)
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: [SiNaN] on October 25, 2008, 06:50:17 AM
Here:

http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=265876.0
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: AlenNS on October 25, 2008, 06:59:08 AM
Thank you very much.  :)
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: brokensword on October 25, 2008, 02:32:47 PM
Thnx
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: Antechinus on October 27, 2008, 10:51:42 PM
Quote from: Eleglin on October 20, 2008, 08:14:45 AM
There are a lot of variations between the theme for SMF 1.1 and 2.0...
I hope that a guide will be done for helping people who have customized their themes in the previous version. It would be great.. :s
Well as a beginner theme butcher I'm finding the upgrade process not too bad. The primary change from the point of view of normal themes is the increased use of css files, which has its advantages. Bit of a pain to get your head around all the new classes but I can see why the new method is preferred. It will add a lot more flexibility to the design process without requiring a multitude of templates to be edited. This has to be good for everyone as the appearance can be customised to a greater extent without complicating the installation of mods.

I like it.  ;)

ETA: Having said that some rewoking of templates may still be necessary, depending on what effects the theme's author wants to achieve.
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: Fustrate on October 28, 2008, 03:32:51 AM
Ya, I'm waiting until RC1 comes out to fool around with themes... just doesn't seem worth the effort right now.
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: Antechinus on October 28, 2008, 04:18:39 AM
I'm not too worried about it. For the templates that mainly interest me I don't think there will be too many changes, and any changes that occur should be fairly easy to integrate. I'm redefining heaps of things anyway so really what the default theme says aint gonna bother me that much.
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: rommul on October 28, 2008, 04:21:26 PM
Quote from: Oldiesmann on October 19, 2008, 06:14:40 PM
1. Yes, it will definitely reach RC status by the end of the year, and we are hoping to even have the final version out by then.


I wouldn't put my money on that.
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: babjusi on October 28, 2008, 04:24:24 PM
Quote from: rommul on October 28, 2008, 04:21:26 PM
Quote from: Oldiesmann on October 19, 2008, 06:14:40 PM
1. Yes, it will definitely reach RC status by the end of the year, and we are hoping to even have the final version out by then.


I wouldn't put my money on that.

If Oldiesmann said that, then that is what''s gonna happen. You can bet on it :)
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: Nao 尚 on October 28, 2008, 08:30:39 PM
Quote from: babjusi on October 28, 2008, 04:24:24 PM
If Oldiesmann said that, then that is what''s gonna happen. You can bet on it :)
Hmm, that would be in less than 2 months...
Grudge and Aaron currently do 90% of the bug fixes. But they do seem to have been particularily busy these last few weeks... Work has been very slow. I have over a dozen bug reports that I consider important and have barely been commented. IMHO, SMF2 will not be final until early-mid 2009...
At this point it would be nice to advance to a final release, in spite of the number of bugs remaining, and do the rest of the bug fixes in smaller increment updates, I guess.
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: HecKel on October 28, 2008, 09:35:05 PM
Now I am confused, you just said that you have important bug reports that hadn't been commented and you recommend to advance to a final release? I just don't get it...

I really want SMF 2.0 out, but why a final that isn't really a final? Just to say that we have something? I totally disagree, the Devs have their own life and I already said some times that I think the Dev Team is too small for the work that they're doing, volunteer work has this kind of problems and we can't complain about that at all. It's just not fair!
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: Nao 尚 on October 28, 2008, 09:54:06 PM
Quote from: HecKel on October 28, 2008, 09:35:05 PM
Now I am confused, you just said that you have important bug reports that hadn't been commented and you recommend to advance to a final release? I just don't get it...
Well, my desire to see SMF 2.0 become the de facto version used by most people, is stronger than my desire to see a perfect SMF 2.0... I'd rather have a perfect SMF 2.0.x that will be quickly adopted by everyone simply by applying a (large) patch...

QuoteI really want SMF 2.0 out, but why a final that isn't really a final? Just to say that we have something? I totally disagree, the Devs have their own life and I already said some times that I think the Dev Team is too small for the work that they're doing, volunteer work has this kind of problems and we can't complain about that at all. It's just not fair!
I know the dev team is too small... I prefer being a good beta tester than a mediocre dev, but I still offered my help, because I know there are periods during SMF development where nobody has time to spare for SMF...

Anyway--don't take what I said the wrong way. SMF 2 is already fantastic "as is", and is certainly *less* buggy than SMF 1 in the current situation. (Sometimes, bugs found for SMF2 are also valid for SMF1, but they're only fixed for SMF2 because it's always a hassle to provide fixes on both tags.)
Title: Re: What Is New In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 Public?
Post by: Antechinus on October 28, 2008, 11:31:07 PM
Ok, in light of that my 2c would be to not worry about which version you call final and when it comes out.
1.1.x is now up to 1.1.6 but presumably (I wasn't around then) there was a 1.1.1 "final". ;D
So how "final" is "final" anyway? I mean it's only ever going to be sorta final for the time being, isn't it?

As in "final but not really but it will be until we find something else to fix which hopefully wont be this week because we're all sick to the back teeth of dev work and heartily long for a nice holiday in Barbados".

So yeah, call it RC1. Call it "good enough for now so $%#king well just use it and shut up" 1. Call it whatever you like. Doesn't matter. We know it's good as Beta 4. Whatever gets released next will be better, and as soon as it is released I'm converting to SMF 2. Very quickly. 
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Crafty Thingz on October 31, 2008, 09:39:14 PM
Hello,

I have a stupid question.  I run  1.1.6 

What is the difference between 1.1.6 and the Beta thingie

Which one should we be using.

Which one is easier to operate from admin point of view and forum member point of view.

I do apologize if I have posted in the wrong forum subject.

cheers from the Kiwi
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Antechinus on October 31, 2008, 10:56:31 PM
Stick with 116 for the moment.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Crafty Thingz on October 31, 2008, 11:29:26 PM
thank you

I will take that on board.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Antechinus on October 31, 2008, 11:57:57 PM
Please just post in normal text. The bold font with double spacing comes across as shouting.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Crafty Thingz on November 01, 2008, 01:06:02 AM
Oh so sorry about bold text. I didn't realized it would taken like that. I really a quiet person who is hardly seen or heard.  ;D
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Nao 尚 on November 01, 2008, 04:29:20 AM
Quote from: Crafty Thingz on October 31, 2008, 09:39:14 PM
Which one is easier to operate from admin point of view and forum member point of view.
2.0, by far... But it still has its issues. If it works for you then great.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Nao 尚 on November 01, 2008, 05:36:39 AM
Niët niët kapûtskï kebàl.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Nao 尚 on November 01, 2008, 06:47:59 AM
Swüpdalõn?
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: ccbtimewiz on November 01, 2008, 11:55:10 AM
Note to self, Nao can speak Maltese.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: babjusi on November 01, 2008, 11:59:47 AM
Long live Google :D
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Nao 尚 on November 01, 2008, 01:28:34 PM
Quote from: ccbtimewiz on November 01, 2008, 11:55:10 AM
Note to self, Nao can speak Maltese.
えぇ?何だってこれ、一体?
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Nao 尚 on November 01, 2008, 03:36:14 PM
What's the policy with trolls? Account removal, at the very least?
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: metallica48423 on November 01, 2008, 03:37:14 PM
warning, first.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: chapter79 on November 17, 2008, 10:53:33 AM
Hello.
I'm testing version 2.0 beta 4 on a test forum before I install it on my main forum - however I've noticed two things.
I upgraded from version 1.1.6 to 1.1.7 then to 2.0 all is well, accept the theme I use is a little off, but that's to be expected since it's not updated. No problem I thought. However I noticed these two things.

1. The packages function doesn't seem to want to upload a whole file (just separate ones) Is this normal since I haven't tried to upload any mods on my current stable board?  How best do I install a mod via 2.0?

2. When I go to CONFIGURATION  and FEATURES AND OPTIONS. I'm meant with some rather lovely icons. But that's it. They aren't clickable and there is no writing next to them? Your thoughts on this are appreciated.


Thank you so much.  ;)
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: chapter79 on November 17, 2008, 11:14:27 AM
O.k so I changed the theme twice and found on both themes (one which was specific to this version) I had the FEATURES & OPTIONS on and off buttons viewable next to the icons. So in that respect it was possible a theme issue. However  ;D there is nothing that says what what these features do if they are switched off and on?

The PACKAGES issue is still the same, although I now can't even see an upload button with the default theme.

Open to suggestions.  :D
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: 青山 素子 on November 17, 2008, 11:36:02 AM
chapter79, check your language settings. You should see all the language strings jsut fine with the "Core" (default) theme and plain English. If you are using a different language, including a UTF8 variant, you need to download the updated language files.

For further help, open a topic in the correct support board.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: chapter79 on November 17, 2008, 12:51:42 PM
Thank you. English is set as default. I will indeed open a new help topic shortly.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: chapter79 on November 17, 2008, 01:11:56 PM
Motoko-chan I'm sorry you were correct although the way it was explained threw me. I found the solution here another member posted http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=270244.0
Thanks again. ;)
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: synicfan on November 23, 2008, 10:01:01 PM
Hi there!

I have a question. I know this latest release is still in beta testing and all...
and I know most likely you will respond with "since this is still in beta testing, we would not recommend this for a production site"...
but I was wondering, since its beta 4, and I really think a lot of the new functionality in 2.0 is worth upgrading, is there any major concerns with using this version on my production site?

Thanks.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: 青山 素子 on November 23, 2008, 11:10:32 PM
If you aren't capable of handling fixes for bugs that pop up, then don't use it. If you can handle pre-release stuff, you are welcome to use it.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Nao 尚 on November 24, 2008, 02:58:33 AM
I'd say 99% of it is usable...
If you find a bug, you can always report it. Chances are someone will give you a fix soon enough if you're unwilling to wait for the following release.

There are a few dozens bugs waiting for a fix on the bug tracker, but one thing has to be taken into consideration as well: SMF 1.x has just as many outstanding bugs, and they're likely not to be fixed at all... (Sometimes I report a bug that's both in v1 and v2, and it gets fixed only in v2 because it's not enough of a big deal. I would do that myself anyway. But I'm a sucker for latest betas so...)
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: synicfan on November 24, 2008, 10:36:25 AM
Quote from: Nao 尚 on November 24, 2008, 02:58:33 AM
I'd say 99% of it is usable...
If you find a bug, you can always report it. Chances are someone will give you a fix soon enough if you're unwilling to wait for the following release.

There are a few dozens bugs waiting for a fix on the bug tracker, but one thing has to be taken into consideration as well: SMF 1.x has just as many outstanding bugs, and they're likely not to be fixed at all... (Sometimes I report a bug that's both in v1 and v2, and it gets fixed only in v2 because it's not enough of a big deal. I would do that myself anyway. But I'm a sucker for latest betas so...)

Quote from: Motoko-chan on November 23, 2008, 11:10:32 PM
If you aren't capable of handling fixes for bugs that pop up, then don't use it. If you can handle pre-release stuff, you are welcome to use it.

Thank you very much. that is the type of info I was looking for. I appreciate it.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: searchgr on December 04, 2008, 10:52:04 AM
Quote from: scimmiotto on September 29, 2008, 02:39:53 AM
i read that smf 2.0 final will be release in final days of this year...am i right?

Quote from: Motoko-chan on September 29, 2008, 03:12:25 AM
That is a goal, it isn't a firm date.

Any news?
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: 青山 素子 on December 04, 2008, 11:05:19 AM
It is still being worked on and the developers are squashing some tricky bugs.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: HecKel on December 04, 2008, 01:35:02 PM
But it will be directly to the Final version or should we expect some RC first?
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: metallica48423 on December 04, 2008, 01:36:25 PM
There will be RC releases.  It is unlikely we will see the final release by the end of the year.  Such is the reason why we do not like to give dates out.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: SleePy on December 04, 2008, 02:26:05 PM
Always expect a RC, we are not Microsoft or the MySQL team ;D We don't release betas in place of finals :P

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Release_Candidate#Release_candidate
Read up more on what a RC means :)
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: ForumMustang.com on December 04, 2008, 02:42:26 PM
Quotewe are not Microsoft or the MySQL team
SMF uses MySQL so if MySQL is not final how can SMF ever be final?  ;D
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: SleePy on December 04, 2008, 03:55:09 PM
Quote from: chadon on December 04, 2008, 02:42:26 PM
SMF uses MySQL so if MySQL is not final how can SMF ever be final?  ;D

That comment was in relation to this:
http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2008/11/oops-we-did-it-again-mysql-51-released.html
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081201-mysql-creator-version-5-1-released-with-fatal-bugs.html

I don't think the developers here would ever leave a fatal bug not fixed when it came to releasing software.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Axed on December 08, 2008, 10:04:43 PM
Sweet I might upgrade soon. :).
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: synicfan on December 09, 2008, 08:56:54 PM
You wont be alone.  :)
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: spearfish on December 10, 2008, 06:44:34 PM
Quote
I don't think the developers here would ever leave a fatal bug not fixed when it came to releasing software.

Well, when it comes to SMF, you are my senior, but I'm going to be blunt and say, umm... no.  See: SMF 1.1.7.  That was released only a month after 1.1.6, and AFAIK, only fixed one thing of significance.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Fustrate on December 10, 2008, 07:00:01 PM
So you expect them to fix an error that they didn't even know about when they released 1.1.6?
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: spearfish on December 10, 2008, 07:23:31 PM
Perhaps I spoke ambiguously.

I meant that as soon as they realized the error was there, they fixed it.  Instead of sitting around... (http://it.slashdot.org/it/08/12/10/206216.shtml)
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: 青山 素子 on December 10, 2008, 07:39:02 PM
That is what YodaOfDarkness was saying. It might be a bit confusing because it is phrased a bit oddly.

Quote
I don't think the developers here would ever leave a fatal bug not fixed when it came to releasing software.

Essentially:

Quote
I think the developers here would never leave a fatal bug unfixed when it came to releasing software.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: spearfish on December 10, 2008, 08:02:39 PM
That works ;)
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: SleePy on December 10, 2008, 09:54:10 PM
Yea, my comment could of used a grammar check. I blame my lack of physical sleep, which I can only blame myself for in the end.

I am 100% positive our developers would never leave fatal bugs such as the MySQL Development has. It is a sad thing, but reflects poorly on them if they where to do such as a thing. Just think of how many MySQL community members opinions have changed about their Dev team because of this.
Sadly as well, it is going to keep me from upgrading to MySQL server 5.1 for a while. I run on the latest 5.0 release, but I will let it wait a bit before I go to 5.1
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: allemand1 on December 13, 2008, 01:41:38 AM
I want the non beta versión now!!!!
Its Great!
Congratulations!
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Blind Bandit on December 15, 2008, 08:18:09 PM
Quote from: allemand1 on December 13, 2008, 01:41:38 AM
I want the non beta versión now!!!!
Its Great!
Congratulations!

Agreed it seems like the developer team is rather understaffed at the moment.  Its almost the end of the year and we don't even have idea of when RC1 will come out let alone final.  I'm saying things should be rushed but this is getting a little ridiculous.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Fustrate on December 15, 2008, 09:25:59 PM
...it'll work better next time someone says it... I heard 10,417 is a lucky number.
Title: When will 2.0 RC1 be out
Post by: S_M_F_is_Cool on December 16, 2008, 03:57:54 AM
I saw a forum running "unreleased" 2.0 RC1
When will that be out?

I am running 2.0 Beta 4 and found it great, I can't find anything wrong with it but I have a pretty modified theme and have lots of options turned off i.e. calender .... as I just don't need them and I want it simple to use.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: metallica48423 on December 16, 2008, 04:04:03 AM
It is most likely a beta tester or team member.

There's still a few things the devs consider must-fix before RC1 is released.  I don't have a timeframe, but suffice it to say that the developers are getting more into the bugfixing mode :)
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: tyhgdgh on December 16, 2008, 07:07:59 AM
I think it was Nao's or Niko's Site.
When might it come out?

Some how, post 1000 on this board....
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: IchBin™ on December 16, 2008, 12:34:44 PM
When its ready, it will come out.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Fustrate on December 17, 2008, 12:53:19 AM
If you build it, they will come...

Yay for bugfixing :)
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: n-joy on December 20, 2008, 09:33:37 AM
Bu is there a chanse it will come this week?
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Nao 尚 on December 20, 2008, 10:48:06 AM
Yes of course, just like there's a chance France will win the next soccer world cup.

(I think you can take that as a no.)
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: babjusi on December 20, 2008, 11:17:03 AM
Quote from: Nao 尚 on December 20, 2008, 10:48:06 AM
Yes of course, just like there's a chance France will win the next soccer world cup.

(I think you can take that as a no.)

Ahahahahaa, that was a good one :D
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: europez on December 20, 2008, 06:21:56 PM
Hi

I have tested SMF 2.0 Beta 4 - It looks great  ;D

But I got one question:
Why are the "Advanced permission" for each forum removed (well I can't find it)?
I want the register members to only read some of the forum, but not post.
And some of the forums I want them to both read and post.

In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 I only find "General Permissions" for each group. So If I disable the posting rights, they cannot post in any forum at all.

Anyone have the answer for this?  ::)

Thanks
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: 青山 素子 on December 20, 2008, 09:07:05 PM
Quote from: europez on December 20, 2008, 06:21:56 PM
Why are the "Advanced permission" for each forum removed (well I can't find it)?
I want the register members to only read some of the forum, but not post.
And some of the forums I want them to both read and post.

In SMF 2.0 Beta 4 I only find "General Permissions" for each group. So If I disable the posting rights, they cannot post in any forum at all.

It's part of the new permission profiles now. They should have been converted if they were in effect previously.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: klumy on December 21, 2008, 05:34:48 AM
It seems so that the current forum made a version jump from beta 4 to

Powered by SMF 2.0 Post Beta 4 Dev Edition (http://../)

Maybe we can see the final version at new year eve
O:)
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Eleglin on December 21, 2008, 05:48:10 AM
A Release Candidate you mean ^^
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: ѕησω on December 21, 2008, 06:38:00 AM
Quote from: klumy on December 21, 2008, 05:34:48 AM
It seems so that the current forum made a version jump from beta 4 to

Powered by SMF 2.0 Post Beta 4 Dev Edition (http://../)

Maybe we can see the final version at new year eve
O:)

just noticed that. hopefully all is good
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: metallica48423 on December 21, 2008, 12:57:56 PM
its nothing big.  Its an SVN checkout of the trunk from 12/20.

The version is to signify that no we're not using an actual ready to release version quite yet :)
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Antechinus on December 21, 2008, 03:25:33 PM
Ok, next question: when are you going to fix the toggle function on the new profile setup?  :D
I just had a need for the "Own posts" link and I can't access it. :P

Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Owdy on December 21, 2008, 03:30:38 PM
Quote from: antechinus on December 21, 2008, 03:25:33 PM
Ok, next question: when are you going to fix the toggle function on the new profile setup?  :D
I just had a need for the "Own posts" link and I can't access it. :P
Works for me http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?action=profile;area=contributions;sa=posts
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Antechinus on December 21, 2008, 03:45:25 PM
Oh crap, don't tell me they've hidden under Contributions. ::)  Thanks for the heads up. That's an entirely new heading. Toggle still doesn't work though and frankly I prefer the old setup so I like the choice. Ditto for admin (which isn't my problem on this site, of course).
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: metallica48423 on December 21, 2008, 04:47:16 PM
click it once and wait for cache to clear lol

it doesn't happen at my site.  It may either be cache here or it might be an issue with our theme here.  Either way, i'll keep looking into it
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Nao 尚 on December 21, 2008, 05:25:04 PM
If we're discussing site errors here -- please remind someone that the current profile system is completely screwed under Opera ;) The whole "height: 1%" hack is taken litterally...
It's part of my pretty large profile template bug report which I posted somewhere around here a couple of months ago -- I don't think any of the bugs were fixed, maybe it shouldn't have been used in the live website, I dunno. :(
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: metallica48423 on December 21, 2008, 05:30:26 PM
Problem is that the old profile template doesn't work properly with the new stuff in Profile.php.

So its sort of like being stuck between a rock and a hard place. 
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Fustrate on December 21, 2008, 08:46:56 PM
tried dynamite?
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Nao 尚 on December 22, 2008, 03:19:18 AM
I suppose the only urgent thing is to remove the height: 1% hack, if only for Opera... (It's an IE-only thing, right? Then why not put height: 1% !important; height: auto;?)
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Stüldt Håjt on December 22, 2008, 04:08:05 PM
Where is the ignore user option? I thought 2.0 was supposed to have that feature?
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: shadow82x on December 22, 2008, 04:36:59 PM
Quote from: Stüldt Håjt on December 22, 2008, 04:08:05 PM
Where is the ignore user option? I thought 2.0 was supposed to have that feature?
You can achieve this by using the PM Ignore List. (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?action=profile;area=pmprefs)

I believe the developers have talked about splitting the options up though. :)
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Stüldt Håjt on December 22, 2008, 04:41:03 PM
That was well hidden, almost like an easter egg. Splitting it sounds very good.

Edit: I guess there is no possibility to limit smileys nor limit bbc code usage per board (for example disable img-tag on certain boards)?
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: SleePy on December 22, 2008, 05:09:46 PM
Quote from: Nao 尚 on December 22, 2008, 03:19:18 AM
I suppose the only urgent thing is to remove the height: 1% hack, if only for Opera... (It's an IE-only thing, right? Then why not put height: 1% !important; height: auto;?)

Your a beta tester, was that logged that way for a possible solution?
Do you know of any side effects it may have to other browsers as well?
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Nao 尚 on December 22, 2008, 05:48:51 PM
Quote from: SleePy on December 22, 2008, 05:09:46 PM
Your a beta tester, was that logged that way for a possible solution?
Yes, sort of...
http://dev.simplemachines.org/mantis/view.php?id=2649
I didn't copy the contents of the topic in the description, though. bloc self-assigned it and that's it so far.

QuoteDo you know of any side effects it may have to other browsers as well?
I'm not sure. I mainly test on noisen.com, which has its own custom theme (and even the profile stuff mainly uses Ultimate Profile for the summary's templating), so testing templates isn't exactly my strong area.

Just have a look at my original topic if you'd like, it's really the only time I seriously tested with the updated Core profile layout ;)
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: 青山 素子 on December 22, 2008, 06:29:30 PM
Quote from: Stüldt Håjt on December 22, 2008, 04:41:03 PM
Edit: I guess there is no possibility to limit smileys nor limit bbc code usage per board (for example disable img-tag on certain boards)?

Use permission profiles.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Owdy on December 23, 2008, 01:33:43 AM
How can i limit smilies by permissions?
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: 青山 素子 on December 23, 2008, 03:07:32 AM
I believe you can limit the use of BBC at least. Perhaps I'm wrong.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: ct1 on December 27, 2008, 09:16:28 AM
When is the final release of 2.x scheduled for without being a beta?

Fonts are to big on default theme.   
Also posts are in signature line and not lining up correctly.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: W. Riker on December 27, 2008, 11:01:17 AM
Quote from: ct1 on December 27, 2008, 09:16:28 AM
When is the final release of 2.x scheduled for without being a beta?

We all want know that... ;)
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: babjusi on December 27, 2008, 11:06:53 AM
Quote from: W. Riker on December 27, 2008, 11:01:17 AM
Quote from: ct1 on December 27, 2008, 09:16:28 AM
When is the final release of 2.x scheduled for without being a beta?

We all want know that... ;)

The official answer to that question is ''It will be ready when it is ready". However, seeing how slow the things have been/are going, I do believe that at least it will be another year before the final release of the 2.0 will be out. Hope I am wrong but I don''t think so.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: 青山 素子 on December 27, 2008, 11:48:45 AM
Quote from: babjusi on December 27, 2008, 11:06:53 AM
However, seeing how slow the things have been/are going, I do believe that at least it will be another year before the final release of the 2.0 will be out. Hope I am wrong but I don''t think so.

I really doubt it will be another year unless there are some major issues we wind up having.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Nolt on December 27, 2008, 01:53:19 PM
Ech lot of other projects release theyr newer versions, only SMF is on last place. Not good for our community. I hope that you will release your 2nd SMF soon. I know that you developing this for free, spend for this your own free time but if you will do this so slow other projects (like phpbb, mybb etc.) will be way ahead than you and our community will die. Nobody want to use old software its normal thing. Dont get me wrong but... its sad but true.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: 青山 素子 on December 27, 2008, 02:45:03 PM
Quote from: Nolt on December 27, 2008, 01:53:19 PM
I know that you developing this for free, spend for this your own free time but if you will do this so slow other projects (like phpbb, mybb etc.) will be way ahead than you and our community will die.

PHPbb had their 3.0 release in development before we had 1.1 out and didn't release until we were well into 1.1's life. MyBB had a lot smaller changes between their 1.2 and 1.4 release.

Remember that the difference between our 1.1 and 2.0 editions is huge in terms of base. We're going to be supporting different database backends (SQLite, MySQL, and PostgreSQL should be supported at release, possibly others) with a custom-written abstraction layer that reduces the speed impact of that support, a built-in WYSIWYG editor, full-blown moderation center with tiered warning system, built-in paid subscriptions support with an API so you can plug in different providers, even a Search API so you can use tools like Sphinx for searching, etc.

Heck, even in 1.1 we have features that others do not (quick reply is still not core in phpBB 3.0).


Quote from: Nolt on December 27, 2008, 01:53:19 PM
Nobody want to use old software its normal thing. Dont get me wrong but... its sad but true.

Those that actually have to run their community for a while know better than to keep switching software unless there is a critical missing piece they must have. It is about stability and not having downtime to upset your community.

Also, we know a lot of people depend on our software, so we want to make sure we get it working right when we ship it. We recently discovered a few possible ways an attacker could cause trouble on our 2.0 software. It's a bit tricky to do, but we want to make sure it won't be possible. As a result, we've delayed our next development release so we can get those fixes in.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: rommul on December 27, 2008, 04:28:30 PM
Actually, if the team leaders are fair they should accept that they failed big this year. I'm not talking about the developers, they probably are doing the best they can, and they are doing what are told to do.
I speak about project managers and team leaders. How that? 
First, they failed to promote and to develop the SMF community, this year you have less new users, less new posts, and almost no development.
Second, all the time you are saying that smf is free: heck, the smf is basically free, but most of the mods and most of the themes are paid, and are promoted on others team members sites/portals. And that can be understood up to a limit, but hell, there are users you are promoting them and they are few (up to five) free themes and lot of links to their site to sell tons of themes and mods. And you now what: their 3 themes are always the theme of the day, or the favourite mod. Me personally I can't care less, I have two forums both of them with default theme, one with 3 mods, one no mods at all, but for the majority of users here you are suppose to try to convert or attract to SMF, that count. So you should think a different approach
Third the no development part: even all of you are going to say, wow, we are making big steps to the next release  you should be looking of that thru the users eyes. In the 2.0 at least at beta 4 there are no to minimal new faatures for the regular users part. Instead yes there is a great step for the admin panel.
But you forgot something: the SMF community is much younger that the phpbb for example and the most users have new, small to medium forums. At that point they need mostly tools to attract people, features to impress them because the users make forums, not the admins. Maybe you in the team all have big forums, and you need to feel that you are in control, other users have nothing to control, they are missing the users, because smf put on the table less features than other free software's. (again as an example I have a small to medium forums, with ~500k posts and 15k users, and we are only two admin's with 2 moderators for two very limited sections, and our admin/moderate actions are almost invisible, because I respect my users, they are my forum, without them I'll only have a very nicely designed php/mysql web site with 5 visitors, me and few spiders :) )

I can't imagine a new admin, willing to start a new forums saying: hi people, welcome to my forum, those are my admin tools, and wow look what nice features to moderate you I have.
Instead a new admin should say look at that feature to keep you in touch with my forums and with other users , looks how many tools you have to posts, integrate with your other sites you prefer, look at those features to modify your look as you want and so on. With that kind of attitude people will might start to look at his forum, and so new peoples maybe will be more willing to try SMF and stay with it.

Common people, lets be serious, we all know that you are doing that freely, in your free time and we all respect that, but same the others. Someone who want to be a team member should be OK with the fact that his time will be part dedicated to this community and part dedicated to his own forum or community. If he wants to have a SMF team member badge, he should be earning it. That badge has rights, obligations and commitments. Like everyone else.


sorry, about my bad English, the english is not my first, not even my second :( language
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: metallica48423 on December 27, 2008, 05:08:57 PM
I'll be the first to admit that we have had some missed opportunities, especially in terms of Marketing, in the last year.  I'm not going to blame anyone as it is really a group thing.  Even our visit to OSCON wasn't as good of a thing as it should have been.  This year has been turbulent for SMF, for sure, but I personally have been very involved in pushing things in a better direction.  Its time consuming for sure.  It is one of the reasons I assumed a project management role in November and why we had a slight reorganization of some of the team.  I won't say that there were failures involved though... certainly things that could -- perhaps should -- have happened, but didn't.

I'm not quite sure what your meaning by saying theres only 3 themes on the theme site and hardly any free mods.. *all* of mods on the modsite are free to use and download.... we don't allow paid mods on the modsite.  Now, some ask for donations, true, and some do have paid versions, but those paid versions won't be found on the mod site.  However, we can't really restrict people putting copyrights on their works.  They are legally entitled to copyright their work under US law.  So... i'm not sure how you gather that most of the mods and most of the themes are paid.  And, actually, the number of mod authors has actually increased greatly in the last year, so that is a good thing.  We'll see what comes of it.

Some communities feel that features is the way to keep members happy... some focus on content and the community itself as a means of community growth... it really depends on the people involved.  I suppose it depends on the general viewpoint.  2.0 itself was not necessarily intended to have the latest features -- though it did have some things sorely missing from 1.1... a lot of it is to make a more solid base for building onto, easier to build onto, and easier to hook into the system -- part of our efforts to improve third party development.  I've seen SMF 2.0 referred to as "one big API.." Its sort of funny, actually.  In time, that addition will, with any luck, drastically improve third party development... but it will also, conversely ease the development of new features and whatnot, in time, perhaps leading to reduce development time.

So no, there may be few immediate benefits... but there's more to it than just the features of the software.  I sort of see SMF 2.0 as the start of a better direction for the software.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: bayGaReZ on December 27, 2008, 05:37:31 PM
I think, new version is coming up for SMF isn't it? :)
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: HecKel on December 27, 2008, 05:51:25 PM
I have to disagree with something, it's true that the development is very slow, I even remember what Grudge said about SMF 2.0 final (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=221882.msg1419485#msg1419485), but ****** happens! In the last weeks I was looking at the bug tracker (http://dev.simplemachines.org/mantis/my_view_page.php) and I have to admit that they return to work again! They are really trying to get SMF 2.0 out ASAP!

About the features, I don't care if they are only admin or user end features, what I don't want is only security upgrades as SMF 1.1.x is, from 1.1 to 2.0 was an HUGE step that I just don't understand, could be softly and faster but no, you decide one HUGE step..., your choice.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: 青山 素子 on December 27, 2008, 06:57:01 PM
Quote from: HecKel on December 27, 2008, 05:51:25 PM
I have to disagree with something, it's true that the development is very slow, I even remember what Grudge said about SMF 2.0 final (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=221882.msg1419485#msg1419485), but ****** happens!

Yep, it does. We've had some setbacks that weren't expected that kinda threw off the schedule. First, we had a few developers leave for their own thing. Then, we had the unexpected security issues with 1.1 that made our developers examine the code for 2.0 to make sure those vectors couldn't be used there. They then decided to add a few more safeties to be careful.

Just most recently, we had our development repository (where we track development revisions) down for two days because of server issues. While our developers can still work during that time, they couldn't check any new work in for our beta testers to examine.


Quote from: HecKel on December 27, 2008, 05:51:25 PM
In the last weeks I was looking at the bug tracker (http://dev.simplemachines.org/mantis/my_view_page.php) and I have to admit that they return to work again! They are really trying to get SMF 2.0 out ASAP!

We have one pending thing to land still, and lots of little bugs. We're preparing for RC1 realsoonnow (timeframe to be established), so the bugfixes are being concentrated on.



Quote from: HecKel on December 27, 2008, 05:51:25 PM
About the features, I don't care if they are only admin or user end features, what I don't want is only security upgrades as SMF 1.1.x is, from 1.1 to 2.0 was an HUGE step that I just don't understand, could be softly and faster but no, you decide one HUGE step..., your choice.

There are a lot of interface refinements from 1.1 to 2.0. They aren't major things that will smack you in the face, but they will be noticed as you work with the software (anyone notice the new postbox resize feature in the post form?).
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: metallica48423 on December 27, 2008, 07:00:46 PM
that is mostly due to the massive infrastructure changes that were needed to spike development and not stagnate or limit it like 1.1 did.  while its true that the step longer... i really do think it needed to happen.  it really is a lot easier to develop for 2.0 than 1.1.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: SleePy on December 27, 2008, 07:03:40 PM
There is currently 838 themes and 922 mods. All free to download. I would love to see "most" of these paid mods and themes as I have not seen a site bigger than our third party customize site for users to obtain SMF mods/themes.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: uberjon on December 28, 2008, 01:59:45 AM
way i see it, its not the "directly visible" things that are important, but the indirect things.

such as:

features in the core files that enable easier writing of themes
features in the core files that enable easier writing and installing of mods
features in the core files that (wow i sound like a broken record!) let people integrate custom setups into the forums (i.e. through SSI)

what matters is the ability to customize (for a large majority) if feature XYZ is available from a mod easily. vs manual code edits for php and templates.. people tend to be happier..

i for one would not be here right now, looking to switch from VB if i couldn't have easily integrated my "system (custom code)" into the forums.. the ease of SSI in 2.0 (not sure about 1.1....) makes what i need possible (so far)
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: metallica48423 on December 28, 2008, 02:05:19 AM
I see it this way: you have to lay down -- 1.1 -- and reinforce the foundation -- 2.0 -- before you can build the house -- 2.0 and beyond.

Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Nolt on December 28, 2008, 08:18:51 AM
Quote from: Motoko-chan on December 27, 2008, 06:57:01 PM
(anyone notice the new postbox resize feature in the post form?).
It's useful thing. I like it and I use it, also like WYSIWYG editor :)

Quote from: uberjon on December 28, 2008, 01:59:45 AM
features in the core files that enable easier writing of themes
features in the core files that enable easier writing and installing of mods
features in the core files that (wow i sound like a broken record!) let people integrate custom setups into the forums (i.e. through SSI)

Yup, creating a themes for SMF it isn't easy.
Installing mods? Most of them you install in ACP automatically (ok, for some of them you must change files manually but... with it you learning somthing).

I hope that SMF 2 will have build in option like Global Annonuncements (not with additional mod like 1.1)(visual warrning it is and Im happy).
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: W. Riker on December 28, 2008, 07:31:13 PM
When stable non beta version of smf 2.0 will be created will it be possible to upgrade smf 1.7 on 2.0 or what will be the procedure?
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: 青山 素子 on December 28, 2008, 07:38:31 PM
It will be the same procedure you would use to upgrade to the latest 2.0 beta. There will be no package-style update because of the huge changes.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: ianus on December 29, 2008, 05:04:41 AM
  Greetings!

Two things I like to mention.

First is about stable software and update frequency.
I don't think the idea is correct, that "new" software is better and quick releases of new versions is crucial to become more important (keep users interest and aquire new users) - at least not in the long term.
While choosing "the right" software, I am interested in things like, it is stable, quick, secure and server-friendly.
To run a webside is time consuming and I don't want to spend time in reading error-logs or "how to avoid this bug"-threads or run updates.

With this in mind and a well working SMF 1 up and running, it's easy to wait for a new version.
It's not a waste of time to wait for something new while using something old successfully.
But it will be a waste of time, if SMF 2 is released (in a hurry) and users run into errors, supporter have to pacify and coders have to write hotfixes.
Stable software which is released when it's ready is the key to attract interest and not to update more often than others.
So, take your time.


The second part are the features and benefits.
(At this point, I don't want a discussion about mods which should become part of the core. I will mention some mods as examples to make clear what I am talking about.)

Existing features:
The SMF offers some features which aren't self explaining and so users won't notice or use them. Others are everything but simple – and we all want SMF as simple (=easy to use) as possible.

Examples:
The new sizeable wysiwyg postbox – way to complicated
You need two buttons for a feature which requires not a single one.
Why not display the wysiwyg text in the preview field while typing?
This way you get rid of both buttons. The user who knows (and type) bb-code get an proper preview without switching modes and the newbie gain some experience.
And there are some problems with c&p of already formated text.
The resize idea is nice, but I can't change the wide of the box. So I never see the final product because my text-field is smaller than the final post.
So, why not use a preview-field which displays the hole post, with formatted text, username, title, icon, etc. and  a text-field with the same wide as the text-part of the thread?
No need for buttons, no need to switch view, no c&p problems and a real wysiwyg - simple (post) machine.

The "Highlight word(s) in a message and move them with the mouse into the postbox.
Nice feature, but nobody will notice this option. Why not build in a button [Quote selected] next to [Quote-button]? (And the text should be inserted with [.quote] tags of course).

The new [Remove formatting] button.
First time I saw it, I thought it adds [.nobbc] and lost all my code-tags. I don't understand why I start to write plain text, add bb-code and finally have an option to turn it into plain text again.
On the other hand I have to build in the button for [.iurl] or [.nobbc] by hand.

Not existing features:
Than there are some functions which must be in the core, simply to avoid problems with lawyers (Custom Copyright (http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=1317), The Rules (http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=1343), Advanced Contact Form (http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=1352)) or to make things easier for new users (Permissions Info (http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=1118)) or a marker which informs the user about an external link (no mod yet but heavily missing).

After this little things, there are some which should be added "only" to be up to date.
A  turn on/of  option:
- for some advertising (Ad Management mod (http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=255)),
- for easy contact with the rest of the www (AddThis Social Bookmarking (http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=1062), Social Bookmarks v2 (http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=1315))
- for the f** world dominating search engine (Pretty URLs (http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=636), Google Verification META Tag (http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=1527))

Finally. There must (could) be some features, others don't offer, to make SMF special.
Threads like Re: uBBC help needed (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=22827.msg181671#msg181671) and Re: [SEARCH] tag (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=47091.msg336997#msg336997)
are good sources, because things seems to be done already or show the direction to a unique feature for a message board:
Quote from: Eliana Tamerin on December 11, 2008, 08:00:19 AM
camelCasing and [bracket] support would be nice as well. Especially the ability to create pages by linking to a yet-uncreated page within an article then navigating to that location and creating it.
Also I can imagine rowspan & colspan inside a [.table] tag, integrated color and fontsize switch, ...

Why not use the linked mods instead?
Because I don't know how long a mod or theme is supported and if they will be compatible with a SMF 3, 4, ... and I plan to use this beautiful software for a long time.  SMF is a really outstanding product at the moment, but could become better with only a few tweaks.
 
Kind regards     
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: mgk on December 29, 2008, 02:39:08 PM
Sounds really good.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on December 30, 2008, 05:01:45 AM
ianus you rock!! :P
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: poolhall on December 30, 2008, 10:59:35 AM
Quote from: ianus on December 29, 2008, 05:04:41 AM
The "Highlight word(s) in a message and move them with the mouse into the postbox.
Nice feature, but nobody will notice this option.
Where is it? :)
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: chofi on December 30, 2008, 04:12:52 PM
Greetings!  :D
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: gtron on January 01, 2009, 01:10:52 PM
This thread is very long so I'm not sure if this has been asked but is there a projected release date for a final stable release? 

I'm really looking forward to this upgrade but my community wouldn't be too happy if I installed a beta for them to use.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: shadow82x on January 01, 2009, 01:16:29 PM
Quote from: gtron on January 01, 2009, 01:10:52 PM
This thread is very long so I'm not sure if this has been asked but is there a projected release date for a final stable release? 

I'm really looking forward to this upgrade but my community wouldn't be too happy if I installed a beta for them to use.
When its ready. :P
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Nao 尚 on January 01, 2009, 04:50:30 PM
Quote from: gtron on January 01, 2009, 01:10:52 PM
I'm really looking forward to this upgrade but my community wouldn't be too happy if I installed a beta for them to use.
As I always say -- when it behaves better than the official non-beta stuff, it's no longer "beta" software to me. It's just a matter of terminology at this point.
The only case against updating is that if you have lots of mods installed, it'll be complicated for you to update everything in order.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Antechinus on January 01, 2009, 05:05:22 PM
So are you saying that in your opinion 2b4 behaves better than 1.1.7 on the whole?
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: JOSHSKORN on January 01, 2009, 11:09:34 PM
Quote from: gtron on January 01, 2009, 01:10:52 PM
This thread is very long so I'm not sure if this has been asked but is there a projected release date for a final stable release? 

I'm really looking forward to this upgrade but my community wouldn't be too happy if I installed a beta for them to use.
Quote from: ShaDow82x on January 01, 2009, 01:16:29 PM
Quote from: gtron on January 01, 2009, 01:10:52 PM
This thread is very long so I'm not sure if this has been asked but is there a projected release date for a final stable release? 

I'm really looking forward to this upgrade but my community wouldn't be too happy if I installed a beta for them to use.
When its ready. :P
I'm wondering when it'll be done, too...and I heard this exact same answer 7 months ago.  Rather than repeating the same answer, is there any sort of guess when a final version will be ready?  If not, then explain what in general needs to be done until a final version is released?  Like, is there another BETA to release, how many release candidates?  Based on previous trends when SMF 1.0 was released, can you just take a guess when we'll see SMF 2.0?  Do you anticipate it being done in 2009?  Which quarter?  Can you say SMF 2.0 will not be done until at least some date past (for example) April 09 (or some other month)?

I just think some of us (like me) want a better idea as to when it'll be finished, or at least a better idea how much longer we'll have to wait until a final version...depending on how you look at it.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: 青山 素子 on January 01, 2009, 11:39:28 PM
When you are a project where your developers contribute in their spare time. This affects the actual work output since the time they can contribute is affected by things like their full-time job, family issues, and other outside incidents.

I'll try to sumarize some of the things said in this very long topic.

Things got delayed a bit because of the security updates we made for 1.1.7 and an additional security audit for some areas in 2.0.

We do anticipate a first RC as the next release, but depending on the status of certain dependant items, we may issue a beta soon. It depends on how quickly a few things are completed.

I know one huge item we are working on is making our templates semantic. We've recently added one additional member to work on that effort and things are moving smoothly in that area.

I personally anticipate a release in the first quarter, but as I said above, it depends a lot on the free time our developers can make.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Fustrate on January 02, 2009, 12:52:54 AM
Reason #517 why I couldn't be a team member: you're amazingly patient with people asking the same question every single day.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Nao 尚 on January 02, 2009, 03:35:20 AM
I don't have the time to reed all of the crap in this topic so: when are you releezing the final version?

@antechinus> yes, but your mileage may vary.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: searchgr on January 02, 2009, 04:49:00 AM
Forgive me but i don't see any 'crap' in this topic! Do you mean the different opinions? It's obvious that Simple Machines failed to reach their time target in regards to smf2, any critisim must be acceptable.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: metallica48423 on January 02, 2009, 05:55:20 AM
Failure is not, in and of itself, the act of falling behind or being knocked down, or even not meeting a goal.

Failure is the denial, or refusal to admit something is wrong and learn from the past, and allow those situations to continue to occur.  None of us are denying that things need improvement.  Such things are in the works.  People are now rising to the plate to ensure things continue in the future.  It'll take time for the fruits of that labor to come to fruition, however, as with the planting of all seeds.  You can't put a seed in the ground and expect a tree by morning.  Jack and the beanstalk, after all, is a fairy-tale ;)

Take it for what its worth, but I'd/we'd rather fix the overarching problem than throw a patch in and pray that it holds, only to end up with the same result.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: JOSHSKORN on January 02, 2009, 06:03:52 AM
Quote from: Motoko-chan on January 01, 2009, 11:39:28 PM
I personally anticipate a release in the first quarter, but as I said above, it depends a lot on the free time our developers can make.
That's a good enough answer for me, for now.  First quarter means Jan through March.  So, I'll just check back in April and see if there are any updates to SMF 2.0.  Maybe (if necessary), I'll ask the same question again at that time unless someone else beats me to it.  Thanks! :)
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Nao 尚 on January 02, 2009, 08:46:39 AM
Quote from: searchgr on January 02, 2009, 04:49:00 AM
Forgive me but i don't see any 'crap' in this topic! Do you mean the different opinions? It's obvious that Simple Machines failed to reach their time target in regards to smf2, any critisim must be acceptable.
I dun't have time to reed your answear. When is the noo version releezed?

Oh my, it was just a joke, wasn't it obvious? Me being a beta tester and everything...
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Paracelsus on January 02, 2009, 09:19:37 AM
Quote from: Nao 尚 on January 02, 2009, 08:46:39 AM
Quote from: searchgr on January 02, 2009, 04:49:00 AM
Forgive me but i don't see any 'crap' in this topic! Do you mean the different opinions? It's obvious that Simple Machines failed to reach their time target in regards to smf2, any critisim must be acceptable.
I dun't have time to reed your answear. When is the noo version releezed?

Oh my, it was just a joke, wasn't it obvious? Me being a beta tester and everything...

You forgot to put the [Ironic Mode] tag around it ;D
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: babjusi on January 02, 2009, 11:04:23 AM
Quote from: searchgr on January 02, 2009, 04:49:00 AM
Forgive me but i don't see any 'crap' in this topic! Do you mean the different opinions? It's obvious that Simple Machines failed to reach their time target in regards to smf2, any critisim must be acceptable.

I agree. Smf failed in regards to SMF 2, and big time as said by one of its main developers as well. I mean, it is not like they are creating the superforum or anything like that. Almost all the new features that they are introducing in 2.0 have been introduced since years ago in the other forums. Anyhow, I think that Smf should come out with an official statement as to what caused the delay and give a general description how things are progressing and not keep dragging things along with that It-will-be-ready-when-it-is-ready type of speech. I think they owe it to their members and especially the Charter Members :)
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Nao 尚 on January 02, 2009, 11:25:35 AM
Quote from: babjusi on January 02, 2009, 11:04:23 AM
I agree. Smf failed in regards to SMF 2, and big time as said by one of its main developers as well. I mean, it is not like they are creating the superforum or anything like that.
Well, to me it is... I wouldn't switch to something else for anything in the world. It is a work of beauty.

QuoteAlmost all the new features that they are introducing in 2.0 have been introduced since years ago in the other forums.
I don't think this is true.

QuoteAnyhow, I think that Smf should come out with an official statement as to what caused the delay
There is already such a statement in this very topic. ^^
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: babjusi on January 02, 2009, 11:39:48 AM
Quote from: Nao 尚 on January 02, 2009, 11:25:35 AM
Quote from: babjusi on January 02, 2009, 11:04:23 AM
I agree. Smf failed in regards to SMF 2, and big time as said by one of its main developers as well. I mean, it is not like they are creating the superforum or anything like that.
Well, to me it is... I wouldn't switch to something else for anything in the world. It is a work of beauty.

I think you misunderstood me. I never said that you or anyone else should switch away from Smf :)

QuoteAlmost all the new features that they are introducing in 2.0 have been introduced since years ago in the other forums.
I don't think this is true.
[/quote]

It is, but that is another subject and I don''t want to get into it :)
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Nao 尚 on January 02, 2009, 11:50:53 AM
Quote from: babjusi on January 02, 2009, 11:39:48 AM
I think you misunderstood me. I never said that you or anyone else should switch away from Smf :)
I was just making my point -- that SMF is "the" superforum to me.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: gtron on January 02, 2009, 12:57:46 PM
Quote from: Motoko-chan on January 01, 2009, 11:39:28 PM
When you are a project where your developers contribute in their spare time. This affects the actual work output since the time they can contribute is affected by things like their full-time job, family issues, and other outside incidents.

I'll try to sumarize some of the things said in this very long topic.

Things got delayed a bit because of the security updates we made for 1.1.7 and an additional security audit for some areas in 2.0.

We do anticipate a first RC as the next release, but depending on the status of certain dependant items, we may issue a beta soon. It depends on how quickly a few things are completed.

I know one huge item we are working on is making our templates semantic. We've recently added one additional member to work on that effort and things are moving smoothly in that area.

I personally anticipate a release in the first quarter, but as I said above, it depends a lot on the free time our developers can make.

thank you, Motoko!  O:)
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: tampaba1 on January 02, 2009, 03:02:35 PM
Yes, SMF is a bit behind some of the other boards when it comes to features but, most of the others are paid programs and their development is underwritten by a corporation. It is best to remember that SMF is, and will always be, a free program which will have multiple delays because of limited time developers can spare. Projected time of delivery is just that, nothing was ever written in stone.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Fustrate on January 02, 2009, 06:18:05 PM
Quote from: babjusi on January 02, 2009, 11:04:23 AMI think they owe it to their members and especially the Charter Members :)

As a CM, I don't feel that the team owes me anything. I donated $50 because I really appreciate what they're doing, and wanted to give something back.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Nao 尚 on January 02, 2009, 06:36:37 PM
Quote from: YodaOfDarkness on January 02, 2009, 06:18:05 PM
As a CM, I don't feel that the team owes me anything. I donated $50 because I really appreciate what they're doing, and wanted to give something back.
My exact same thoughts. (Although I did want that SMF2 beta at the time ;))
I'm no longer a CM though -- spent way too much time working for the community, I figured I didn't have to contribute financially on top of that. But for users who don't have the time to contribute, it's great to be able to know that you can help financially! :)
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: blackstar on January 04, 2009, 09:40:23 AM
Thanks :)
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: erutan on January 06, 2009, 09:01:08 PM
Given I don't really follow forum software anymore, but I've been using SMF on a few personal sites since the 1.1 beta days and I haven't found another freeware solution that I think is as elegant and useful.  I'm happily using 2b4 on two sites now, one vanilla, one custom themed.

The long development time of SMF2 has been frustrating, but it's fine... people contribute on their own time and as a developer I know how bugs/issues can cause estimates to be missed.  :)

Kudos to the team.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: anna.young on January 06, 2009, 10:34:16 PM
Quote from: YodaOfDarkness on January 02, 2009, 06:18:05 PM
Quote from: babjusi on January 02, 2009, 11:04:23 AMI think they owe it to their members and especially the Charter Members :)

As a CM, I don't feel that the team owes me anything. I donated $50 because I really appreciate what they're doing, and wanted to give something back.

I second that!
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Stallyon on January 07, 2009, 12:18:08 AM
I was a charter member, but due to financial difficulties, I have been unable to renew. I still have every intention of renewing my membership in the next few months. I believe in what Simple Machines does, and that's the reason I support them.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: searchgr on January 07, 2009, 06:09:19 AM
The topic is: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4? Some of the above posts are off topic.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Fustrate on January 07, 2009, 03:01:51 PM
Things change over time. You're welcome to start talking about what's new in Beta 4, and the conversation might then go back to that.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: anna.young on January 07, 2009, 06:22:02 PM
Quote from: searchgr on January 07, 2009, 06:09:19 AM
The topic is: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4? Some of the above posts are off topic.

Wow! what an amazing contribution to What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4? :P ;)
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Antechinus on January 07, 2009, 07:03:45 PM
At the moment nothing is new in 2b4. In fact it's very* close to being obsolete.



*Please note that "very" is a relative term that does not imply any particular week. Kthnx.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Stallyon on January 08, 2009, 04:31:10 AM
Quote from: searchgr on January 07, 2009, 06:09:19 AM
The topic is: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4? Some of the above posts are off topic.
Sorry, your majesty. This is why I don't post here much.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Fustrate on January 08, 2009, 04:36:21 AM
Quote from: Stallyon on January 08, 2009, 04:31:10 AM
Quote from: searchgr on January 07, 2009, 06:09:19 AM
The topic is: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4? Some of the above posts are off topic.
Sorry, your majesty. This is why I don't post here much.
That's why you just gotta take everything in stride ;)
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Nao 尚 on January 08, 2009, 05:43:43 AM
Quote from: antechinus on January 07, 2009, 07:03:45 PM
At the moment nothing is new in 2b4. In fact it's very* close to being obsolete.
Somehow, the same thing could be said of Vista... But it was actually worse than XP. Hopefully SMF2 lives up to the hype, as opposed to the dreaded OS ;)
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Vekseid on January 08, 2009, 07:46:04 AM
Not that I'm expecting a final release before say, early 2010, but I would hope they'd be able to make it before Windows 7 :-p

I am rather anxiously waiting for beta 5/rc1 though.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Nao 尚 on January 08, 2009, 10:23:58 AM
We all are...
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: anna.young on January 08, 2009, 11:11:25 AM
Well, I'm first in line waiting for SMF 3.0 Beta 1
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Nao 尚 on January 08, 2009, 01:47:44 PM
Quote from: anna.young on January 08, 2009, 11:11:25 AM
Well, I'm first in line waiting for SMF 3.0 Beta 1
I heard it's due next month.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: riker on January 09, 2009, 11:02:17 AM
Quote from: Nao 尚 on January 08, 2009, 01:47:44 PM
Quote from: anna.young on January 08, 2009, 11:11:25 AM
Well, I'm first in line waiting for SMF 3.0 Beta 1
I heard it's due next month.

SMF 2.0 RC isn't even out yet so their must be big problems
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Nao 尚 on January 09, 2009, 11:14:23 AM
I was joking.........
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Nolt on January 09, 2009, 05:25:20 PM
What I need in SMF 2 is log from reputations, its really hard to track who give + ora - in logs and ban him for spamming karma.

Thanks.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: riker on January 09, 2009, 05:26:25 PM
Quote from: Nao 尚 on January 09, 2009, 11:14:23 AM
I was joking.........
I gather that but I wasn't joking about the problems.  I remember people saying how so much had been fixed in beta 3 and how beta 4 would have been an RC if it wasn't for the html templates and yet we're still waiting for RC
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Nao 尚 on January 09, 2009, 05:53:51 PM
Quote from: riker on January 09, 2009, 05:26:25 PM
I gather that but I wasn't joking about the problems.  I remember people saying how so much had been fixed in beta 3 and how beta 4 would have been an RC if it wasn't for the html templates and yet we're still waiting for RC
You may also want to blame the beta testers, who've been to eager to spot the bugs ;)
We made so many bug reports that the devs were overwhelmed...
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: wrecker69 on January 11, 2009, 01:03:32 PM
Hello everyone. I am not a programmer, developer nor a professional web designer. Using my limited web design skills I am trying to set up a well rounded and complete community website with a forum playing a big part.

SMF has come highly recommended so I have spent the last day and a half investigating. So far I like what I see. I have read through this thread trying to figure out which version is the most stable and recommended. I am going to take a wild stab and say it is 1.1.7. Would I be correct?

One of my concerns is also the compatibility of the themes. Does a theme have to state 1.1.7 to be compatible with that version of the software? What if the version listed is, 2.0 Beta 3 or 4 for example, would it be compatible with 1.1.7?

I see that this forum has many knowledgeable contributors and would very much appreciate any help and/or opinions regarding the SMF software.

Thanks in advance to all who reply.

Rick
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Neptunez22 on January 11, 2009, 01:06:39 PM
I Shut Down my forums.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Nao 尚 on January 11, 2009, 01:21:03 PM
Well... Good for you!
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: 青山 素子 on January 11, 2009, 01:29:19 PM
Quote from: wrecker69 on January 11, 2009, 01:03:32 PM
I am going to take a wild stab and say it is 1.1.7. Would I be correct?

That would be correct.


Quote from: wrecker69 on January 11, 2009, 01:03:32 PM
One of my concerns is also the compatibility of the themes. Does a theme have to state 1.1.7 to be compatible with that version of the software? What if the version listed is, 2.0 Beta 3 or 4 for example, would it be compatible with 1.1.7?

Any theme compatible with a 1.1 release (not a beta or RC) should work with no problems. Themes compatible with a 1.1 RC or beta might need a bit of updating to work properly on a 1.1 release. Themes made for 2.0 (or our older 1.0 series) will not work.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Neptunez22 on January 11, 2009, 01:30:02 PM
Quote from: Nao 尚 on January 11, 2009, 01:21:03 PM
Well... Good for you!
Thanks!!!
Watch this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arsa1BtQEGA)
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Nao 尚 on January 11, 2009, 01:33:04 PM
Quote from: Windowsxpfan2103 on January 11, 2009, 01:30:02 PM
Thanks!!!
You're welcome!
I hope you're throwing a party to celebrate!
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Neptunez22 on January 11, 2009, 01:34:26 PM
Quote from: Nao 尚 on January 11, 2009, 01:33:04 PM
Quote from: Windowsxpfan2103 on January 11, 2009, 01:30:02 PM
Thanks!!!
You're welcome!
I hope you're throwing a party to celebrate!
Sorry but I'm not Never throwing a party.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Nao 尚 on January 11, 2009, 01:38:49 PM
Oh... Too bad, I was going to bring Champagne.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: metallica48423 on January 11, 2009, 01:46:32 PM
guys, theres no need to bicker ;)

Sorry to hear you chose to close your forum.  Best luck in the future :)
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Neptunez22 on January 11, 2009, 01:52:50 PM
Quote from: metallica48423 on January 11, 2009, 01:46:32 PM
guys, theres no need to bicker ;)

Sorry to hear you chose to close your forum.  Best luck in the future :)
Okay.
Well stop bickering so we won't start a flame war or otherwise this would be locked (I know I'M not the admin nor mod but I'm just saying what might happen).
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Nao 尚 on January 11, 2009, 02:43:19 PM
Well, your first post on this website says, "I shut down my forums". What reaction can you expect?
Who cares?
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Neptunez22 on January 11, 2009, 02:47:36 PM
Quote from: Nao 尚 on January 11, 2009, 02:43:19 PM
Well, your first post on this website says, "I shut down my forums". What reaction can you expect?
Who cares?
I'M just saying. I know nobody cares. Now can you shut up already,your getting annoying.
I don't want to start a flame war and lets get back on topic.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Nao 尚 on January 11, 2009, 05:30:06 PM
Lol, who's that stupid looney? :D

And "back on topic"? Aren't you the one who posted here something totally out of topic in the first place?
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: Neptunez22 on January 11, 2009, 05:39:52 PM
Someone just lock this topic.
Title: Re: What's new in SMF 2.0 Beta 4?
Post by: metallica48423 on January 11, 2009, 05:45:30 PM
I'm going to have to agree.  Please take your argument to private please :)

Topic is locked.

Thanks to everyone for their thoughts and ideas :)