I wanted to make a post to remind our users and visitors to the site about forum etiquette and behavior here at Simple Machines. While we try to keep an open mind and we try to keep things lighthearted we do need to keep things in line with the agreement everyone agrees to when signing up here and more specifically this section:
QuoteYou agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, adult material, or otherwise in violation of any International, Canadian, or United States Federal law.
Lately we've seen several post degrading the volunteers here and other users and this is unacceptable. As a result, we will be clamping down on more posts in order to keep the forums more friendly and on a more professional level with fewer personal attacks.
As a result, a few boards will be under discussion as to whether or not they will remain (News and Politics and Jokes for example).
As a general rule of thumb do unto others as you would have them do unto you. If you are typing up a response you feel is clever and spiteful, rethink your post.
If you have an issue over our moderation techniques, you are more than welcome to send a private message to myself or David.
Heh ... i'm suprised this only happened just now ... i mean look at how many members this forum has. With that many people there just has to be trouble sooner or later. No good picking on the volunteers, though ::)
Rules I think we can all agree to follow hopefully.
In fact we already did agree to them ;) All of us.
Quote from: Adin on February 03, 2005, 03:58:01 PM
Heh ... i'm suprised this only happened just now ...
The SMF community is typically very good and the relationship between team and users is fantastic. Members offer constructive crticism and follow the rules, the team offers a bit more wiggle room.
Unfortunately some have been crossing the line (from mild to not so mild) so I just wanted to remind everyone to have respect for one another :)
Dont worry i'll be good. I havent logged in for a while though so haven't seen any fighting. :)
Sounds cool and I agree the certain team members have been abused. Also I like this community for its non-degradedness
I have not seen a forum yet that doesn't have these rules. It's in everyone's interest that such things are done.
Seems to make perfect sense to me.
:)
Quote from: Jeff Lewis on February 03, 2005, 03:50:14 PMAs a general rule of thumb do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Does this mean I have to agree with everyone?
In all seriousness though I think honesty but self-restraint are the way to go. I don't mind brutal honesty (whatever its source) but people all too often let things get personal (including myself).
Quote from: redone on February 04, 2005, 08:12:47 AM
I have not seen a forum yet that doesn't have these rules. It's in everyone's interest that such things are done.
Seems to make perfect sense to me.
:)
you're right...
Quote from: alienine on February 04, 2005, 09:00:53 AM
In all seriousness though I think honesty but self-restraint are the way to go. I don't mind brutal honesty (whatever its source) but people all too often let things get personal (including myself).
That is because there are several different personality types out there. Some people may take a comment to be nothing much but others may take it very personally. People need to be aware of these differences and respect that we're not at all the same.
Quote from: Jeff Lewis on February 04, 2005, 09:26:12 AMPeople need to be aware of these differences and respect that we're not at all the same.
I agree Jeff, but that respect has to go both ways. People that might take offense need to understand that there are people that are not as tactful or shy about speaking their mind and not be so quick to take offense.
People have different personalities and different beliefs, that doesn't make it wrong to say what you think is right and defend your beliefs. Just make sure that by defending your own beliefs, you are not insulting the person that doesn't agree.
Well it wasn't me. Sorry I missed it. :)
Never unstood anyone who wants to take a pop at someone whose trying to help out...As an Admin on a forum i've been on the recieving end of abush by wayaward users never understoof that either...
Why upset the guy whose board it is, if he wants you gone he'll do it...
As i was always told be nice, you nevr know when the person you've upset is the person you most need help from...
the sad think is this post has to exist, i would think this to be common sense, and that it probably is it's just common sense strangley enough isn't all that common. :-\
Quote from: RyanB on March 03, 2005, 02:19:10 AM
the sad think is this post has to exist, i would think this to be common sense, and that it probably is it's just common sense strangley enough isn't all that common. :-\
You would kinda think so yet Admin's still have to warn, threaten and ban people from forum's...I know the heat of the moment can get people fired up but a lot of people don't thin k before they post...Or take things far too personnal...
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I have had my share of these people with BI-Polar or other Mental diseases. And when you ban them, they threaten to come here (SMF LINK ) and Trash this forum, un-less they 'Un- Banned".
To me, Its a form of "Cyber Terrorism", Let them trash your board or they will click the link at the bottom and trash SMF.
As I have said many times, Our best defense would be if we could ban by CPU ID or Windows ID.
Quote from: Bitwiz44 on March 06, 2005, 09:03:45 AM
I have had my share of these people with BI-Polar or other Mental diseases. And when you ban them, they threaten to come here (SMF LINK ) and Trash this forum, un-less they 'Un- Banned".
To me, Its a form of "Cyber Terrorism", Let them trash your board or they will click the link at the bottom and trash SMF.
As I have said many times, Our best defense would be if we could ban by CPU ID or Windows ID.
Tell them thye should come here, then the developers could ban them from every copy of SMF ever :P
Quote from: Bitwiz44 on March 06, 2005, 09:03:45 AM
I have had my share of these people with BI-Polar or other Mental diseases. And when you ban them, they threaten to come here (SMF LINK ) and Trash this forum, un-less they 'Un- Banned".
Y?..............................................................................................................................
I can't, not even in a rage comparable to that of a rabbit caught in headlights, see how this could make one feel as though they are accomplishing something? Or in their case "getting even" :-\ I don't know. I just can't, even thinking from their shoes.
I can, its basically to make the owner embarrest and to try and degrade them somewhere else, its a real stupid action that some take, Ive had it done before to me, its just there to anger the owner. Crap trick really.
Quote from: Bitwiz44 on March 06, 2005, 09:03:45 AM
I have had my share of these people with BI-Polar or other Mental diseases.
Oh yeah, same here. Uhm, but... I am curious...
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And when you ban them, they threaten to come here (SMF LINK ) and Trash this forum, un-less they 'Un- Banned".
How did you know these people were coming from your board? Did they choose the same nickname or something like that?
Quote from: Bitwiz44 on March 06, 2005, 09:03:45 AM
I have had my share of these people with BI-Polar or other Mental diseases. And when you ban them, they threaten to come here (SMF LINK ) and Trash this forum, un-less they 'Un- Banned".
I gotta say I take offense at this statement. Do you have any idea what Bi-Polar actually means? That, and other mental illnesses cause no problems if properly diagnosed and treated.
Personally, I've never been banned from a forum, never threatened anyone, and always treat others with respect. Mom always said, "If you can't say anything nice about someone, then don't say anything at all."
And if you ever want to get support for my SMF portal, I think an apology is in order. 8)
Some of my best friends are autistic, and I know I'm totally insane.
-[Unknown]
Quote from: Michele on March 15, 2005, 11:11:49 AM
Quote from: Bitwiz44 on March 06, 2005, 09:03:45 AM
I have had my share of these people with BI-Polar or other Mental diseases. And when you ban them, they threaten to come here (SMF LINK ) and Trash this forum, un-less they 'Un- Banned".
I gotta say I take offense at this statement. Do you have any idea what Bi-Polar actually means? That, and other mental illnesses cause no problems if properly diagnosed and treated.
Manic depression? Yes, I know what it means, so have to say I agree 100% with Michele here in finding that statement both nonsensical and offensive!
Thanks guys... I know without my combination of anti-depressants, I don't function well at all. :)
Oh, and LSP/Enigma is coming along nicely. ;)
Quote from: Trekkie101 on March 06, 2005, 09:25:24 AM
Quote from: Bitwiz44 on March 06, 2005, 09:03:45 AM
I have had my share of these people with BI-Polar or other Mental diseases. And when you ban them, they threaten to come here (SMF LINK ) and Trash this forum, un-less they 'Un- Banned".
To me, Its a form of "Cyber Terrorism", Let them trash your board or they will click the link at the bottom and trash SMF.
As I have said many times, Our best defense would be if we could ban by CPU ID or Windows ID.
Tell them thye should come here, then the developers could ban them from every copy of SMF ever :P
Can I help with that? LOL
I hate threats bullys and ****Holes (Though dont want to get involved in that use of idntifying the same with those challenged by conditions mentioned that can be used in a deregatory way!)
Such Simple Rule Of Course We Will Follow...
I Think this fair and just for all of us..We should be responsible in all our post.
Hey, more power to you, and thanks again for a great product. I'm chomping at the bit for the ubiquitous e-mail feature 1.1 as the non-profit I maintain smf for won't pay to be charter. however, smf is so good I won't hold it against you, nyuk nyuk nyuk.
Quote from: Michele on March 15, 2005, 11:11:49 AM
Quote from: Bitwiz44 on March 06, 2005, 09:03:45 AM
I have had my share of these people with BI-Polar or other Mental diseases. And when you ban them, they threaten to come here (SMF LINK ) and Trash this forum, un-less they 'Un- Banned".
I gotta say I take offense at this statement. Do you have any idea what Bi-Polar actually means? That, and other mental illnesses cause no problems if properly diagnosed and treated.
And if you ever want to get support for my SMF portal, I think an apology is in order. 8)
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I am trying to see this as a mis- reading of what my point was.
the Problem is very real.
Read this first post: http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=31654.0
Then, If you have a 'Better" explanation, Please describe what kind of "mind" does this. Why, would someone deliberately be hostile to another member Here? My post
clearly was in reference to "My Board', in no way directed to any member of SMF.
I don't necessarily think it is someone with a mental disorder, it could be a young kid who gets their kicks from messing with people. It could be a group of hackers that again get their kicks with messing with people.
The problem here is that you labelled a whole group of people as the ones trolling who have mental disorders when you don't even know who these trolls are or what their mental capabilities are. I have mental disorders, and I was not very pleased by your comment either.
If you have not had contact or friends with mental disorders, rather than make an assumption about the whole group (those with mental disorders) and then displace that assumption to label another group (trolls) as being the same group, why don't you just complain about trolls as they are without assuming their mental state? Judging and labelling are the 2 worst aspects of human behavior on the planet, they cause discord and animosity between people and groups. If you cannot understand why what you said was inappropriate, then you have as much to learn as the trolls on your board do.
Quote from: Miraenda on May 11, 2005, 07:30:20 AM
I don't necessarily think it is someone with a mental disorder, it could be a young kid who gets their kicks from messing with people. It could be a group of hackers that again get their kicks with messing with people.
Lets see, Hmmm.. "gets their kicks" . This action, comes from someones "Mind" does it not? Or are you believing this is strictly a physical action they are not in control of?
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The problem here is that you labelled a whole group of people as the ones trolling who have mental disorders when you don't even know who these trolls are or what their mental capabilities are. I have mental disorders, and I was not very pleased by your comment either.
so, this 'Hit" a nerve with you, yet you will state you have never been a Troll?
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If you have not had contact or friends with mental disorders, rather than make an assumption about the whole group (those with mental disorders) and then displace that assumption to label another group (trolls) as being the same group, why don't you just complain about trolls as they are without assuming their mental state?
This is also an assumption on your part, you don't not know the level of experience that I possess.
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Judging and labelling are the 2 worst aspects of human behavior on the planet, they cause discord and animosity between people and groups.
Why is it the worst? Would it not depend on the "label"?
To me, your post is another form of Trolling. I clearly Stated my comment was NOT directed to any member of SMF. Yet, You 'Jump" into this "Baiting" and dodging the "question' with no relevancy. Categorizing is common practice when one describes in communication. You state "judging" is a bad thing, and turn right around and 'Judged" me. Thats Confusing and misleading the reader, or "Acts of Trolling".
The beginning post, was a request by SMF. I merely stated that "More" power to keep out these "Trolls", and emphasized "My" board's Issue. It did not require any concern of any member of SMF of "How" I describe the issue on my board, unless they have a another agenda for being here.
And, ones mental state does govern their actions or behavior. For anyone who gets their 'Kicks" by distruction, causing confusion, causing Kaos, doesn't indicate a "Acceptable" mental state in society. Of course, by your definition, "acceptable and un- acceptable" would be judgment and labeling.
Finally, This thread has gone off topic. I refuse to continue this "baited" senerio. I'm certain Jeff did not start this thread to turn it in a "Crusade" by a few.
I thought this was how one responded to editorials in the Boston Globe, so I joined the forum so I could send a thank you note for their editorial about pain and why OxyContin should be saved for those who suffer. But now Im not sure if this if only for the Boston Globe.
Skip Baker
This is s test. I can't seem to get into the forum for the Boston Globe..
Skip Baker
I am still pretty much a newbie to this group.
But not a newbie to life experiances.
But I think the basics still apply.
I am a business owner who interacts both in person and, electronically. ( email phones, forum etc) I am often on a physical job site or taking a call. If there is a horizon of personalities I have met them from 18 - 98 years old ( no joke).
I dont think you need to coddle anyone, in fact often times a disablity
may only seem that way to what you are seeing, and not what they feel. Its not a disability to them its a disability to us not to be able to identify a proper means of communication.
And we can not be expected to meet everyone needs and make everyone always feel warm and fuzzy. Thats not reality either.
That said, you should treat ppl, as human being.
And if we cannot meet the persons need be honest and open and say,
I am sorry but I am not in the position to support what you need done.
I know this may not meet the political correctness we thrust upon this country. But its reality, none of us can please everyone all the time.
But we can all be nice given the times we cant.
Sorry about the soap box was just my two cents
Paul
:o Well, with the exception of the exceptions to the bipolar comments, I think that restating the agreements that users/members on these forums have agreed to is quite agreeable... now I'm lost. Anyway, part of the reason I'm moving away from phpBB and considering SMF (I'm about 80% convinced) is that on the phpBB forums you will find not just users/members entering inappropriate comments, but you will find some of their Developers literally attacking other members because of their posts. I asked a simple question on one of the forums there and basically got the snot beat out of me by one of their developers because I had missed the answer to that question in a previous post, this was on a thread with 24 pages! Like I'm going through 24 pages for a simple question!
Anyway, you can't please everyone all the time, and if your moderators are doing their jobs and you allow open, honest criticisms to be posted, then you're doing a better job than most. So far I give SMF and their Forums extremely high marks. As to the bipolar comments, again you just can't please everyone, and some people are just more sensitive than others. . . and before you go off on me about being lenient, I have a daughter with multiple handicaps and I have exceedingly thick skin, which you grow into in dealing with idiots and morons who ask stupid questions and make stupid comments. If it offends you, but it's not truly entirely offensive, then shrug it off... that's my motto anyway... ;D
??? Oh, meant to state that if you find my avatar offensive I'll be more than happy to remove it... I'm just a bit nutz... :P
Jeff I agree 100%. As a new user and member here, my only comment is that this should be the case on both sides. The few posts I have made, the replies seem harsh and unfriendly. I belong to several forums and new members are usually welcomed. However, in my case, maybe it is isolated. I have read a lot of your posts in trying to learn my way around your forum and notice most replies are friendly.
I will say this, you have a fantastic product and look forward to learning more and maybe I'll become a charter member, but my thought is friendliness should be extended to all and if that is done more people will become charter members in appreciation of being treated with respect.
Thanks for your time
Steve
Seems all Angels has come together ;D
Quote from: NOS ChromeNut on May 22, 2005, 09:38:51 PM
... Anyway, part of the reason I'm moving away from phpBB and considering SMF (I'm about 80% convinced) is that on the phpBB forums you will find not just users/members entering inappropriate comments, but you will find some of their Developers literally attacking other members because of their posts. I asked a simple question on one of the forums there and basically got the snot beat out of me by one of their developers because I had missed the answer to that question in a previous post, this was on a thread with 24 pages! Like I'm going through 24 pages for a simple question!
Same thing happened to me! I had 2 forums I'm supporting using their product for nearly a year. Really did try to use their search funcitons to locate stuff, but could rarely find anything that way. Half the time the words used to describe problems are not the ones I would use. I've been using computers since the early 80's and one of the first things I learned was how fast 'buzzwords' can change!
Let's put it this way, take 2 IT people specializing in different aspects of that world and watch them try to have a conversation with each other! Believe me, they will often run into problems understanding each other's jargon. Now, compound that with the fact people have such different cultural backgrounds and language issues... The only way things can get done is if both parties are willing to work through those communication barriers...
Quote from: NOS ChromeNut on May 22, 2005, 09:38:51 PM
... As to the bipolar comments, again you just can't please everyone, and some people are just more sensitive than others. . . and before you go off on me about being lenient, I have a daughter with multiple handicaps and I have exceedingly thick skin, which you grow into in dealing with idiots and morons who ask stupid questions and make stupid comments. If it offends you, but it's not truly entirely offensive, then shrug it off... that's my motto anyway... ;D
Too true! My daughter has a profound developmental disorder too. (Autism, mental retardation, epilepsy, etc.) When you're a parent to a child with significant disabilities, you either grow a thick skin or you're not going to make it as a parent! People will say and do the darnedest things without really thinking things through. Many simply have no clue as to how offensive something they say can sound. (The examples I could give!) Most of the time I ignore them too. I know they are speaking from ignorance and not intending to be malicious. But, then you have those who do attack others with little or no provocation. (Intolerance toward other viewpoints, ways of life, belief systems, etc.) Sad....
ahh news rules again :o
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Let's put it this way, take 2 IT people specializing in different aspects of that world and watch them try to have a conversation with each other! Believe me, they will often run into problems understanding each other's jargon. Now, compound that with the fact people have such different cultural backgrounds and language issues... The only way things can get done is if both parties are willing to work through those communication barriers...
Quote from: NOS ChromeNut on May 22, 2005, 09:38:51 PM
... As to the bipolar comments, again you just can't please everyone, and some people are just more sensitive than others. . . and before you go off on me about being lenient, I have a daughter with multiple handicaps and I have exceedingly thick skin, which you grow into in dealing with idiots and morons who ask stupid questions and make stupid comments. If it offends you, but it's not truly entirely offensive, then shrug it off... that's my motto anyway... ;D
Too true! My daughter has a profound developmental disorder too. (Autism, mental retardation, epilepsy, etc.) When you're a parent to a child with significant disabilities, you either grow a thick skin or you're not going to make it as a parent! People will say and do the darnedest things without really thinking things through. Many simply have no clue as to how offensive something they say can sound. (The examples I could give!) Most of the time I ignore them too. I know they are speaking from ignorance and not intending to be malicious. But, then you have those who do attack others with little or no provocation. (Intolerance toward other viewpoints, ways of life, belief systems, etc.) Sad....
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very well put. have to agree 100%
chrisdevey
yeah, lets all play nice. ;)
I wrote a "Forum Etiquette" a few weeks ago over at Tiny Portal for SMF.
You are welcome to use it, or alter it to suit your needs.
http://www.tinyportal.net/smf/index.php?topic=2520.0
-Xarcell
Quote from: ComputerLady on September 22, 2005, 08:23:51 PM
Let's put it this way, take 2 IT people specializing in different aspects of that world and watch them try to have a conversation with each other! Believe me, they will often run into problems understanding each other's jargon. Now, compound that with the fact people have such different cultural backgrounds and language issues... The only way things can get done is if both parties are willing to work through those communication barriers...
I believe that too, good willing is all we need......
As an admin of a forum i often come to a dilemma "is this guy a trouble maker or is he has mental or whatever problems?"
I would be gratefull if someone can put the line of who's bad and who's problematic ???
One simple Golden Rule:
Do to others as you would have them do to you.
"behave others as you want them to behave you" would be a better translation, Lion ;)
volunteers should be praised for all the hard work they do and not verbally bashed or abused for it, none of us would be here if it wasnt for you guys. :D
Well,
i understand it is necessary to keep the site in good manners. I think SMF handles this pretty good in comparison to its competitors.
Hi people
I myself have recently been diagnosed as suffering with bipolar disorder. It's the technical name for manic-depression. What this means is that I have, so I am told, a chemical imbalance in my brains ability to release hormones / seretonin, compared to 'normal people'. Personally I think it's more likely to do with the additives they put in water here in the uk but that's my theory. In practice it means I am depressed for most of the time and then have a short period of a few hours of feeling ecstatic, during which time I find my mind and metabolism has accelerated. It is a very creative time for me. Often the peak of this comes at the same time as a full moon, no kidding; it helps to remember that we are approximately 80% water-based creatures and so it seems unsurprising to me that the moon should affect my psychology. I prefer to use my own diagnosis as 'sensitive' than the medical professions austere and vague definitions. All this is besides the point.
I have also had my unfair share of trouble with board moderators. In the last year I have been banned from 2 php forums, and now have discovered there are many others that have been warned against my URL. I can't access a lot of great places and a peer group who would enjoy my company as much as I would theres, from what I can gather of who is around on the forums by posts people are making.
The two forums I have been banned from are both moderated by two friends, neither of whom like me and who have abused their positions so as to bully me. I have seen them do this with other people also. These situations and the way that people react to being set up by corrupt moderation has very little to do with bipolar disorder whatsoever. It's an excuse. Bi-polars and spammers are as different categories as chalk and cheese. Bipolar itself is not responsible for peoples arguments on websites. It's a ridiculous association. Claiming forum users are obviously crazy and banning them for it is a poor tactic often used to discredit those who manipulative powermongers are afraid of.
In the last year I have been banned from 2 sites for pointing out that the moderators are acting out of order and have themselves broken the rules that everyone has agreed to, with the evident agenda to provoke a reaction they can justify banning me for in the eyes of their board's admin. The admin are usually too busy to listen to my complaints and take the moderators word for it, and so seldom listen to both sides of the argument. Not until after I have been insulted, slandered and my access denied, not just from the site in question but from all associated on the network. This has nothing to do with manic-depression, other than reduction in quality of life capable of driving vulnerable people further toward suicide.
I practice Buddhism and believe in live and let live. I also am determined to speak up for 'the little people' who are being pushed around by jealous and spiteful moderators, admin, politicians and so forth. Letting people know what I know about who is around, so that we may all make our own minds up about the energy we are spending with various forums. On this occasion I am not going to announce the names of the mods and admin responsible for bullying, nor their websites, as this is my first post here and first impressions count. Passing peoples URL's around backstage along with lies and twisted versions of the truth is a game that I have been caught up in. What advantage this brings perpetrators is anybodies guess. Truth knows Truth, and the heart weighs according to that which it recognizes itself to be.
As a result I have decided to build my own chat forum and use the software available from the great and kind people here at phpBB/SMF. It seems the only way forward other than to stop using the net altogether, having been bulllied out of town by the local small-minded element who don't agree with freedom of speech. This will be forthcoming and I'll post a link up on this site as and when it's ready.
In the meantime, remember that people being different is what makes life worth living, and the ones who lose their tempers for no good reason are lesser people than they think. Our actions betray our personalities. Stay bright and may the light work through you. Thanks for reading.
Blessed Be :)
CeltAnkh
PS; 'phpBB' isn't in your spellchecker yet! ;)
Quote from: CeltAnkh on April 16, 2006, 02:57:12 PM
from the great and kind people here at phpBB/SMF.
Look around you and work out which is which :P
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PS; 'phpBB' isn't in your spellchecker yet! ;)
And it should be because? .......
QuotePS; 'phpBB' isn't in your spellchecker yet!
SMF uses the standard aspell english dictionary ;)
Quote from: huwnet on April 16, 2006, 06:01:53 PM
QuotePS; 'phpBB' isn't in your spellchecker yet!
SMF uses the standard aspell english dictionary ;)
Gee guys, Meow! What a nice welcome to a Newbie on his first post.
Let's cash a Reality Check, shall we? SMF Doesn't recognize the word Blog. However, it does offer you the opportunity to capitalize the word English. ;)
Making clever comments at the expense of a person who only tried to open up and share is going too far.
I know you are all volunteers. Well guess what, so are we. We volunteered to use this software. We volunteered to run a Forum. We volunteer our comments and our questions, not to criticize, but to help what should be a team effort. We volunteer to [ay for a Charter membership. We volunteer donations.
We volunteer to share a bit of our personal life, and are teased? Not nice. Not nice at all.
Being a volunteer support person does not give the right to fling what read like smart ass comments at a person who just described himself as mentally ill.
If I did that to a member, I'd be ashamed. And I am not going to be afraid to say it openly and proudly, even at the risk of a ban. Mocking and teasing and making fun... just plain wrong.
daftasabat:
What you said was very kind. And I believe that none of them would be here if it were not for us.
CeltAnkh:
I am sorry to hear that you suffer from a disease that many know and few admit. I am sorry people are not more compassionate. I am sorry that this world sometimes seems to get meaner every day. Forgive them. They are having a bit of a Roman Holiday, wouldn't you say?
Feel free to visit our Forum, and I guarantee a much kinder and gentler reception, that is, if it is still up and running.
My name is Aslan, and we would be proud to have you as a member.
http://aslansattic.smfpro.com/ (http://aslansattic.smfpro.com/)
Gee, a bump and a plug. I just can't wait to hear the next comment.
edit: Removed unecessarily large text
Aslan Edit: Changed the color. :)
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Let's cash a Reality Check, shall we? SMF Doesn't recognize the word Blog. However, it does offer you the opportunity to capitalize the word English.
SMF uses the aspell dictionarys that are installed by your host. The aspell dictionarys don't have tech words like blog in them.
QuoteBeing a volunteer support person does not give the right to fling what read like smart ass comments at a person who just described himself as mentally ill.
I am sorry if you find this insulting however I was simply pointing out how SMFs dictionary system works
Adding words to the spell thingy
geez guys...
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=95530.msg623547#msg623547
peace :)
I always obey the Law :D
I think we all need the rules. :)
yeap...i agree the more people you have on a forum the more trouble you will most likely have. i have not seen the trouble but i guess that is because the staff has found it before i have. good work all who run this forum.
Hi Jeff
Very good rules to follow, it will create a friendly atmosphere.
Take Care
Leo
I think every member here is agree.
Apart from the registration agreement, do we have a list of forum rules on here? I've not been able to find anything and was curious - thanks
did I ask a dumb question or do they just not exist? just would like to read them.
should follow rules everday
uh huh, whereabouts are they posted?
Maybe this one helps a bit? http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=91351.0
thanks, I guess I was expecting something more concrete about rules and behaviour on the forum. Just every site seems to have their own so I wondered where they were hiding :)
Each board has its own rules. Although, the general #1 rule around here is to act in a professional manner. We, the team, act in such a manner and expect the same from the members. If you want a more concrete list of rules, see the registration screen.
thanks, I just expected a list somewhere and it occurred to me (after all this time) that I'd never seen one, apart from the registration agreement, as I said above.
about some rules for the moderators as well ? like deleting the wrong answers and useless posts,
I own a support forum and I always delete the wrong answers to a problem . If you don't do it, when we do a search, we end up with 5 pages of useless stuff and if we post again to ask for the answer we are told to do a search... more it goes and more your forum will become useless , full of answers like : clear your browser's cache and cookies.. answers given by peoples who don't have a clue about what they are talking about.
My moderators are there to delete the useless stuff so that when we do a search on my forum , we get an answer, not 5 pages of useless stuff. I've been using SMF for ages now, been a paying member at one time but got frustrated with the amount of useless threads on this support forum..
don't get mad, there are no other ways to say this.
another thing that I find quite strange, when a newbie ask for an answer to a problem and someone tell him to do some PHP editing and the newbie can barely install SMF, let alone some PHP scripts , I get a good laugh...how will he do this anyway.. why not post a small file so that he can replace the one in his installation... and explain what you did so that those who want to learn can do it.
maybe that I am an administrator of a support forum for too long and I am asking too much , but blaming it all on the members is wrong.. it is the mods and admins who make for a great support forum.
I dont think its being blamed on the members in any sense.
I can't speak for the SMF team or the Support team, but, I personally aim to share my knowledge of SMF and help people understand how to do various things with the software, not just do everything for someone. The only way someone will be able to get past the point of just being able to install SMF is by doing it. That is not to say that in cases that i won't assist in making a code change or similar -- because if you read my previous posts i have done such many many times in the last month and a half.
I think the idea of support is 'support' in literal definition, point someone in the right direction, maybe point out something they may not have seen, perhaps something that i know that they may not have. I find that generally if something is above another member's knowledge, providing examples is the best way to culture and teach these things. If they can't understand it, then yes i will gladly provide something they can use to achieve what they need, and provide information on what i have done to achieve this. I don't believe 'support' should be 'Do this for me' and i definitely dont think it should be 'i don't know how to do this, so do this for me so i don't have to'. The only person gaining from doing such is me, and it may solve a situation but in the end it doesn't help the user or his site out at all.
I think theres a point of balance there that should be maintained.
I think that makes some semblance of sense :P
i totally agree , but do you know how php scripts could be so intimidating for a newbie ? they don't even know where to start with this thing.. now i am ok with this or i simply give it to my php scripter.
the fact is that when someone start by downloading SMF and install it, he never thought one minute that he might have to go play in the core of the php files to fix a problem. Then he has to post : sorry i don't know zit about this stuff . How many peoples can fix their own OS, not many, let alone fixing a php script.
You guys can eat some php.ini 3 times a day and enjoy it, but for many, it is just a scary thing to start to play with. In my support forum , i also do the same thing as you do and explain the way to edit a file, and I always end up posting the whole thing after a while because half of them don't understand what I've said. some of them are 50 years old and don't want to start learning something so complicated. I am 53 by the way :)
I am 21 :P
I agree as well. Many of the core files of SMF still intimidate me! php.ini? forget it, lol.
My point was to say that i don't believe members are in the wrong, but sometimes just need a little help, and occasionally, to see something done, or to do it themselves, is the best way for them to learn something. Of course you do have those who just want things to work right, or a new function, or whatever the context is, but nevertheless you need to support both cases, and that is what i at least attempt to accomplish.
Rules ? and edicate ?
Hmm I thought it was all common sense stuff.
Don't post to see your words posted ( dont speak to hear your self talk).
Do a search first before asking for support issues.
Hmm and a unwritten rule........... no whinning.
And well be nice.
Youde think that would be easy enough LOL.
But our forums we have to spell out what nice means.
OK I think I broke my own rule number one here I listed.
later
Coz
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Quote from: sirius on April 10, 2007, 07:25:13 AM
about some rules for the moderators as well ? like deleting the wrong answers and useless posts,
I own a support forum and I always delete the wrong answers to a problem . If you don't do it, when we do a search, we end up with 5 pages of useless stuff and if we post again to ask for the answer we are told to do a search... more it goes and more your forum will become useless , full of answers like : clear your browser's cache and cookies.. answers given by peoples who don't have a clue about what they are talking about.
My moderators are there to delete the useless stuff so that when we do a search on my forum , we get an answer, not 5 pages of useless stuff. I've been using SMF for ages now, been a paying member at one time but got frustrated with the amount of useless threads on this support forum..
don't get mad, there are no other ways to say this.
another thing that I find quite strange, when a newbie ask for an answer to a problem and someone tell him to do some PHP editing and the newbie can barely install SMF, let alone some PHP scripts , I get a good laugh...how will he do this anyway.. why not post a small file so that he can replace the one in his installation... and explain what you did so that those who want to learn can do it.
maybe that I am an administrator of a support forum for too long and I am asking too much , but blaming it all on the members is wrong.. it is the mods and admins who make for a great support forum.
I agree with sirius in the sense that deleting old threads, and then telling future users to do searches can cause quite a bit of confusion and lead to many dissapointed SMFer's. But is it a
fact that the SMF Administration deletes old
useful posts. Personally I think this site is one of THE BEST support sites out on the net. Period. For me I get a bit frustrated when I have to wait for like a week or more just to get a response. But I have to remind myself that this is shareware, it's a privalege, it's not like I have a right, or am supposed to even get any support. So I thank everyone on this site who's there to help us "newbies"... yes even those who don't seem to have a clue what they're talking about. At least there participating in the forums rather then just taking up space =P Hopefully they in turn will learn things as well.
really great changes!!! :o :o :o
I love SMF!
Tnx for your job! ;)
I hope i don't post in the wrong section/forum but since i see that smf 2.0 topic is blocked, i think i can write here instead. I really wish that next versions of SMF will implement a modification who will let users to leave OFF topics at a topic by presing a button called OFF TOPIC. From that buton, a little menu will appear with next things:
- I agree
- i dont agree
- Off topic: ~box for message~
seem21cs, since i cannot split from here, please post this in the 'features request' board.
Also explain the functionality a bit more so they know what you're talking about. Honestly, i am not sure what you're asking for.
Yes Sir. :)
Rules should be followed by the members......
And this topic should be locked to stop people from posting asinine comments in it.
Locked.