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Title: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Kindred on September 23, 2010, 10:47:17 PM
Announcement:

The Simple Machines Team, the group of volunteers that coordinate SMF® development and support, today announces the launch of a new organization that will continue to promote the development, distribution and adoption of the Simple Machines® Forum software. Simple Machines will continue to expand on the efforts of Simple Machines LLC, the organization which has been responsible for managing the operations of the Simple Machines Forum project to date.

It has been a long-time goal of the Simple Machines team to dissolve the Limited Liability Corporation (Simple Machines LLC) and create a Non-Profit Organization[?] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-profit_organization) so we can continue to lead and innovate. We're grateful for the past, present and future support of our charter and community members and we look forward to continuing to provide the best forum software out there, while keeping to the original goal: Simple, elegant, powerful, and free. 

Simple Machines Forum is developed in an open source environment and built by harnessing the creative power of several programmers around the world.  The new organizational structure returns us to our roots as a community owned project.

The new organization is led by a Board of Directors. The Officers are: Kindred (President and Treasurer), K@ (Vice-President), and Oldiesmann (Secretary and Compliance Manager). Antechinus, B, groundup and Norv round out the board as Directors. For those of you who are unfamiliar with an NPO, the Board leads the corporation and makes decisions at the corporate level. Reporting to the board, and responsible for the individual projects are Steering Committees. The Steering Committee for the Simple Machines Forum project consists of the current "Team Leads" and the Project Manager.

The teams - Support, Customization, Documentation, and Internationalization - will continue to work at the project level. The Site & Server team (red badges) and the Marketing team will now be "corporate" teams who will be responsible for cross project tasks, as Simple Machines works to expand the teams and the software offered under the Simple Machines umbrella.


Wait, projects (plural)?

There have been several ideas floated amongst the teams regarding what additional things we could offer. However, at this time, we are not ready to announce what direction those ideas may take us. At this time, we continue to focus on the Forum software which we made our name with. Our primary goal, at this time, is to complete the release of SMF v2.0 RC4 and 2.0 Final.


Simple Machines, SMF and the Simple Machines Logo (The Fulcrum) are registered trademarks of Simple Machines.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: mashby on September 23, 2010, 11:00:51 PM
Flipping sweet news. Thanks for getting this all sorted out. Great move.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Owdy on September 23, 2010, 11:04:59 PM
Awesome news! Has everything transferred from LCC to NPO?
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Kindred on September 23, 2010, 11:12:54 PM
The final transfer is still in process, but we wanted to get the news out there so that it did not get lost in the upcoming releases. :)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Dannii on September 23, 2010, 11:16:25 PM
Licence change time! :)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: SoLoGHoST on September 23, 2010, 11:31:34 PM
Well this seems like great news.  A step in the right direction.

Congratulations :)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: EricTheRed on September 23, 2010, 11:50:49 PM
Does this mean that licensing for SMF will change from the current proprietary free license that SMF distributes under to a GNU license?
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Kindred on September 23, 2010, 11:59:35 PM
The establishment of an NPO has nothing to do with a license change. If a license change occurs, that will be a separate announcement.

However, I think that I can confidently say that SMF will never be GPL.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Eliana Tamerin on September 24, 2010, 12:09:56 AM
Woo-hoo! Awesomeness! Congrats to all the people who worked on this and for all of those who are continuing to work to make SMF a better place.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: metallica48423 on September 24, 2010, 12:50:19 AM
Congratulations
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Powerbob on September 24, 2010, 12:59:17 AM
Well done, that answers a lot and looks good to boot :)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Aleksi "Lex" Kilpinen on September 24, 2010, 01:00:06 AM
This is a long awaited announcement - Good news! :)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Kryzen on September 24, 2010, 01:03:39 AM
Okay, this is a stupid question: will it still be free? Because Wikipedia said that you sometimes have to pay for a NPO software.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Aleksi "Lex" Kilpinen on September 24, 2010, 01:06:17 AM
Okay, this is a stupid question: will it still be free? Because Wikipedia said that you sometimes have to pay for a NPO software.
It's said in the OP -

We're grateful for the past, present and future support of our charter and community members and we look forward to continuing to provide the best forum software out there, while keeping to the original goal: Simple, elegant, powerful, and free. 

Emphasis mine.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Kryzen on September 24, 2010, 01:10:33 AM
Ah, sorry. :P Anywayz, its very good news then! :D
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: CountryLady on September 24, 2010, 01:11:14 AM
 
               AWESOME~!    AMAZING EVEN~!

        I'm thrilled and thankful for everyone's hard work.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: LHW on September 24, 2010, 01:14:56 AM
Congrats!

/me is looking forward to RC4!  ;D 8)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: lucas-ruroken on September 24, 2010, 01:55:38 AM
good news!
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: hosszu on September 24, 2010, 03:21:44 AM
Fine! When will you release out SMF2.0 Final? :) I have been waiting for 2 years!
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Aleksi "Lex" Kilpinen on September 24, 2010, 04:07:08 AM
Fine! When will you release out SMF2.0 Final? :) I have been waiting for 2 years!
It will get there - I'm sure, it just takes a bit more finetuning still, but it's closing fast (compared to the last 2 years).
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: GravuTrad on September 24, 2010, 06:53:43 AM
Okay, this is a stupid question: will it still be free? Because Wikipedia said that you sometimes have to pay for a NPO software.

Always free of course.

The first step to a new direction is done.

I hope it can reassure all people.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: gouri on September 24, 2010, 07:43:48 AM
It is great news,

Congratulations
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Masterd on September 24, 2010, 07:52:05 AM
Great news! :D
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Cassiel on September 24, 2010, 09:23:02 AM
Great news. Congrats to the new Board members, and of course everyone else who helps out with he project. :)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: BryanD on September 24, 2010, 10:33:43 AM
congrats k@ :)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: DoctorMalboro on September 24, 2010, 10:36:31 AM
Finally some great news... and congrats to K@ as...

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;)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: ThorstenE on September 24, 2010, 11:16:42 AM
good luck & bye bye ...
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Bigguy on September 24, 2010, 11:17:50 AM
That's excellent to hear. Congrats to all that were involved in helping with this great change to SMF. :)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: mirahalo on September 24, 2010, 11:20:32 AM
congrats.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Forbs on September 24, 2010, 11:24:24 AM
Congratulations guys and girls!
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Jeff Lewis on September 24, 2010, 11:41:00 AM
Very excellent news to hear! SMF started as a project called YaBB SE and the intention was to always offer up free software and let the community dictate it's path. It's been a long road but it's great to see that the project has finally achieved it's intended goal.  :D
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: IchBin™ on September 24, 2010, 12:55:14 PM
Excellent! So glad to see this finally happen.

/me does a dance
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: kat on September 24, 2010, 02:06:00 PM
Finally some great news... and congrats to K@ as...

(https://www.simplemachines.org/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupit.cc%2Fimages%2Fda75aba9.jpg&hash=b7fd10893896a0059b953d44e5fa7a38)

;)
congrats k@ :)
Ta, guys. :)

Small cog in a big wheel, though. ;)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Adish - (F.L.A.M.E.R) on September 24, 2010, 02:08:54 PM
We should have had a facebook like button here. People would have clicked it a hundred times :P
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Nolt on September 24, 2010, 03:17:19 PM
Good news I think :)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 24, 2010, 06:25:26 PM
Awesome! Can't wait for SMF 3.0 :D
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Road Rash Jr. on September 24, 2010, 07:14:34 PM
Congrats, and all the best. I look forward to the future  ;)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: -=[Vyorel]=- on September 24, 2010, 07:16:39 PM
Great news!

Congratulations!!!
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: afterdk on September 24, 2010, 10:30:49 PM
Simple Machines Forum is developed in an open source environment and built by harnessing the creative power of several programmers around the world.  The new organizational structure returns us to our roots as a community owned project.

Does this mean that licensing for SMF will change from the current proprietary free license that SMF distributes under to a GNU license?

Open software but not software libre.
Not free as freedom.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Kindred on September 24, 2010, 10:43:32 PM
and what was the point of that comment?   Our formation as an NPO has nothing, what-so-ever to do with the license.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: mashby on September 24, 2010, 10:54:39 PM
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Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: mcblaber on September 24, 2010, 11:05:37 PM
Congrats!
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: twig/al on September 25, 2010, 12:19:32 AM
Congrats!!!
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Adrian Malacoda on September 25, 2010, 01:22:09 AM
and what was the point of that comment?   Our formation as an NPO has nothing, what-so-ever to do with the license.
Well, no, but the fact that you use phrases like "open source" and "community owned" to describe a restrictive proprietary license does. If you're going to talk the talk, maybe you should consider walking the walk as well; else, I humbly ask (practically beg) Simple Machines to please please please stop calling this license "open source". "Free" (as in cost) is okay, community-developed software is okay, but "open source" embodies a set of concepts that the SMF license deliberately avoids (in favor of protecting the "intellectual property" of the codebase from nasty thieves). If I buy a license for vBulletin, I get pretty much the same rights to that copy of vB that I do to my copy of SMF. Does this make vBulletin open source? Invision Board before 2.0 was distributed under a similar license but no longer is, does that make Invision Board 1.3 open source? If you're important enough, you can get access to Microsoft source code; therefore, is Windows open source?

(Warning: FSF zealot opinion below)

"Open source" itself is a euphemism for Richard Stallman's concept of free (libre) software, which is said to grant its users four basic freedoms (briefly: use, modify, distribute, fork). The phrase open source is supposed to be devoid of the confusion inherent in the English word "free" but carries its own problems. In the 27 years since the founding of the GNU project, Stallman's original concept had been watered down from "Every computer user shall have these fundamental rights to their software" to "Capitalism is evil! Microsoft sucks!" (for users) and "We can get all this code without paying anything! But how can we avoid giving back?" (for developers and companies). I don't even like the phrase "open source", it's only a buzzword to me (kind of like one of those supposed concepts of "web 2.0", like "the cloud"), but since this is how people know Stallman's libre software, I have to go along with it.

But even "open source" has some semblance of a meaning attached to it, that somewhat vaguely resembles Stallman's original concept. By wrapping up a license like SMF's in an "open source" veil you're diminishing the overall perceived importance of Stallman's four freedoms (particularly the ones concerning distribution and forking). You're saying "Yeah, we're not technically open source, but we're every bit as good as open source!" while only providing regular old proprietary freeware and not true F/OSS. Not only does it suggest that those last two freedoms aren't important, or that "no one ever needed them anyway", but it simply causes more confusion as to what the term is supposed to mean. This is harmful to those of us that actually do care about something other than not paying for software.

I'm not asking Simple Machines to free SMF (although that would be awesome beyond belief). I'm simply asking that, if it stays proprietary, to stop misrepresenting it as open source.

I say this as a donating FSF member, free (libre) software developer and activist, and a SMF user for over 5 years.

(/zealotry)

But on a better note, glad to hear there's a proper non-profit structure being set up for the project. In any case, an NPO is better equipped to manage a community-centric project than a for-profit entity.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Aleksi "Lex" Kilpinen on September 25, 2010, 01:49:43 AM
You do know there are multiple factual definitions for open source, and in one sense SMF has always been open source - the source is freely available, and free to be modified within the limits of the licence. The only thing that is not really open, is the licence...
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: PJAmerica on September 25, 2010, 03:03:56 AM
Congrats to all involved for reaching the long term goals desired for so long by so many. I wish you all the best of luck and good will towards future endeavors.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: gisfreak on September 25, 2010, 03:40:20 AM
congrats  ;D

Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: IrateZebra on September 25, 2010, 04:48:12 AM
Congrats to all for a job well done!
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: DoctorMalboro on September 25, 2010, 08:10:14 AM
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ROFL ;D
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Kindred on September 25, 2010, 09:26:04 AM
(turning off microphone and commenting as personal opinion, not project)
Personally, I don't think it would be politic to air what I think of the FSF.
(microphone back on)


That being said, we ARE Open.  We ARE free.   We just do not use the (extremely limited and narrow) definition of those words that the FSF would prefer and tries to force everyone to use. YOUR definition of the word "free" is what YOU choose to use... not the rest of the English speaking world. We do not make any claims to be "FSF supported" or even "OSI licensed"

As I have already said, we will never be GPL, because GPL is a BAD license. If we do change the license, it will be to something other than GPL...   

But, as I have already said, the License has nothing to do with the NPO.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: PurpleCrow on September 25, 2010, 09:42:14 AM
Can I ask what difference this is going to make? (God that sounds rude, I dont mean it to be!).
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Kindred on September 25, 2010, 10:24:40 AM
... The new organizational structure returns us to our roots as a community owned project.

The new organization is led by a Board of Directors.
...
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: PurpleCrow on September 25, 2010, 10:26:28 AM
... The new organizational structure returns us to our roots as a community owned project.

The new organization is led by a Board of Directors.
...

Yes, I had read the entire thread, including your first post so quoting it at me is just plain rude.

I ask again, what difference is this going to make?
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Kindred on September 25, 2010, 10:42:10 AM
I was not being rude. I answered your question.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Oya on September 25, 2010, 10:43:33 AM
no u havent

u've said what's *different* but u haven't said how it's going to change things

what changs will the common user actually see other than the copyright changing?
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: PurpleCrow on September 25, 2010, 10:51:37 AM
no u havent

u've said what's *different* but u haven't said how it's going to change things

what changs will the common user actually see other than the copyright changing?

Exactly.

What will the little people, those who use (and love!) the software, see?

I admit I dont follow the news on here, I dont pay attention to the petty arguements and the obvious problems that there were in the background. It seems that this change is meant to resolve the previous issues but does that mean there are going to be changes to the software?
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Kindred on September 25, 2010, 11:10:19 AM
this is not a software announcement. This is a "corporate" announcement.

There is no change in the software at this time.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: nend on September 25, 2010, 11:19:21 AM
If I may ask, where is this NPO registered at? Different locations different set of rules.  ;)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Kindred on September 25, 2010, 11:37:18 AM
our corporate address is in Nevada.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Joomlamz on September 25, 2010, 11:58:09 AM
Very Good Listening

 welcome

mean it will never have a bridge officer to joomla
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: PurpleCrow on September 25, 2010, 11:59:39 AM
this is not a software announcement. This is a "corporate" announcement.

There is no change in the software at this time.

Thanks, that makes much more sense.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: AncientDragonfly on September 25, 2010, 12:11:34 PM
Beautiful news!

Thank you all who had a part in this!
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: IchBin™ on September 25, 2010, 12:21:26 PM
PurpleCrow, it basically means that SMF is no longer owned by a single person. It's been given back to the community in a sense that no single person owns the software. IMO, SMF may possibly allow (in the future) community members to possibly participate in the board etc. Having SMF owned by many, makes the project more accountable to the community rather than to a person. Many of the Team members past and present have wanted this for a very long time. Hopefully a less restrictive license will be tied to this down the road.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: nend on September 25, 2010, 12:36:04 PM
You know a NPO usually has a set a bylaws, I will hold up my congrats until I see them. I just to hate to say congrats and then find out there is something in the bylaws that give someone a majority. I am sorry guys, just can't congrats yet.  :(
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Road Rash Jr. on September 25, 2010, 01:47:43 PM
this is not a software announcement. This is a "corporate" announcement.

There is no change in the software at this time.

Thanks, that makes much more sense.

Really Purplecrow? Had you really read the posts from the begining this is evident to the casualy observer and you could have avoided causing your own petty argument that you claim to avoid. Geez, some people  ::)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: PurpleCrow on September 25, 2010, 01:51:46 PM
this is not a software announcement. This is a "corporate" announcement.

There is no change in the software at this time.

Thanks, that makes much more sense.

Really Purplecrow? Had you really read the posts from the begining this is evident to the casualy observer and you could have avoided causing your own petty argument that you claim to avoid. Geez, some people  ::)

Wow... I had read them all as thats what you should do when you reply to a thread. I'm confused as to where the arguement is? Your post is rather pointless and arguementative - not mine thank you very much. I was merely asking a question - whether or not the software would be effected by these changes - is that not a reasonable question?

Anyway, leave my "petty arguement" alone as I got the answer I needed (one that others seemed to need/want as well, which you would know if you had read the entire thread ;) )
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: kat on September 25, 2010, 01:58:34 PM
You know a NPO usually has a set a bylaws, I will hold up my congrats until I see them. I just to hate to say congrats and then find out there is something in the bylaws that give someone a majority. I am sorry guys, just can't congrats yet.  :(

One member:One vote.

On ALL matters.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: BryanD on September 25, 2010, 02:01:51 PM
is RC4 going to use Simple Machines NPO or still Simple Machines LLC
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: nend on September 25, 2010, 02:58:26 PM
You know a NPO usually has a set a bylaws, I will hold up my congrats until I see them. I just to hate to say congrats and then find out there is something in the bylaws that give someone a majority. I am sorry guys, just can't congrats yet.  :(

Yes, but what are the bylaws.

One member:One vote.

On ALL matters.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: cicka on September 25, 2010, 03:25:08 PM
Congratulations to K@ :)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Gary on September 25, 2010, 06:17:58 PM
It's good to know that things have progressed. :P Nice one folks.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Kindred on September 25, 2010, 07:43:11 PM
the bylaws will be available for viewing once we have finished formating them into html. However... there are no gotchas in there. as kat said... one member one vote
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Kindred on September 25, 2010, 09:06:13 PM
mean it will never have a bridge officer to joomla

a bridge officer?

The entire Joomla fiasco is the reason that it became clear how BAD the GPL is...   so, if Joomla requires a GPL software to bridge, then you are correct...
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Nathaniel on September 26, 2010, 12:28:48 AM
Congratulations to the team, and well done to those who have put the work into getting this done. :D
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: ThePro on September 26, 2010, 11:24:42 AM
YES!

and i thought SMF was going to die.. stupid me!
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Joomlamz on September 26, 2010, 12:49:27 PM
mean it will never have a bridge officer to joomla

a bridge officer?

The entire Joomla fiasco is the reason that it became clear how BAD the GPL is...   so, if Joomla requires a GPL software to bridge, then you are correct...


Thank you
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Road Rash Jr. on September 26, 2010, 01:06:19 PM
this is not a software announcement. This is a "corporate" announcement.

There is no change in the software at this time.

Thanks, that makes much more sense.

Really Purplecrow? Had you really read the posts from the begining this is evident to the casualy observer and you could have avoided causing your own petty argument that you claim to avoid. Geez, some people  ::)

Wow... I had read them all as thats what you should do when you reply to a thread. I'm confused as to where the arguement is? Your post is rather pointless and arguementative - not mine thank you very much. I was merely asking a question - whether or not the software would be effected by these changes - is that not a reasonable question?

Anyway, leave my "petty arguement" alone as I got the answer I needed (one that others seemed to need/want as well, which you would know if you had read the entire thread ;) )

Thank you for validating my point  ;D
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: PurpleCrow on September 26, 2010, 01:26:07 PM
Thank you for validating my point  ;D

To be quite honest I have no idea what your point actually is...  ???
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Road Rash Jr. on September 26, 2010, 01:30:56 PM
Thank you for validating my point  ;D

To be quite honest I have no idea what your point actually is...  ???

Exactly
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: PurpleCrow on September 26, 2010, 01:36:52 PM
Thank you for validating my point  ;D

To be quite honest I have no idea what your point actually is...  ???

Exactly

Cryptic... Reminds me of a Michael Mcintyre thing I watched earlier. A lot less funny mind you.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Pause on September 26, 2010, 01:46:03 PM
Congratulations to all involved :)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: C4G-TK on September 26, 2010, 01:54:14 PM
Nice to see an announcement that is solid in nature and not vague.  I think having precise announcements will help to instill a sense of stability once again in the project and/or future projects.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Cassiel on September 26, 2010, 03:21:19 PM
Will the board members still have their old jobs or will they be promoted to a red badge?
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Kindred on September 26, 2010, 05:05:49 PM
membership in the NPO and any jobs within the corporation have no bearing on position and/or responsibilities within a single project.

So no...   the BoD will not be marked in any way.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Tony Reid on September 27, 2010, 06:45:51 AM
Congrats on moving forward.

Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Forum Labs on September 27, 2010, 08:41:57 PM
Congrats! This is a good news :)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Owdy on September 28, 2010, 11:27:32 AM
is RC4 going to use Simple Machines NPO or still Simple Machines LLC
? :)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Kindred on September 28, 2010, 11:31:08 AM
we're not sure yet... depends on the speed of the final legal stuff.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: chep on September 28, 2010, 12:55:35 PM
This is good news. As you can see, you cannot please everyone no matter what you do. However I believe this will be a turning point to improve the reputation of SMF by opening this door.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: catfished on September 28, 2010, 04:29:59 PM
Good news in my opinion. A huge step in the right direction.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: baijianpeng on September 28, 2010, 11:36:52 PM
As I have already said, we will never be GPL, because GPL is a BAD license. If we do change the license, it will be to something other than GPL...   

Well, I am not familiar with legal/law stuff. So I can't say if GPL is really so bad.

The only thing I care is: will SMF allow integration bridge be developed for Joomla CMS?

If not, then such a "rule"(or license) is not BAD, but a ***!!!!

Please confirm this, because if there will NOT be a integration bridge between Joomla and SMF2, then I will give up SMF for ever!
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Kindred on September 28, 2010, 11:53:26 PM
First, please watch your language...
Second, this is off topic from the NPO announcement, since the license has NOTHING to do with the corporate structure.

However, that being said: GPL is a bad license. We will not be GPL. I have already said this.
Joomla, because of the way they have coded/licensed previous code, can not grant exceptions to their GPL (as many others have done)... which means that it is unlikely that there will be an official Joomla bridge.

Do remember that Joomla is not the be-all and end-all of CMS.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Dannii on September 29, 2010, 01:18:32 AM
If SMF changes to a fairly liberal licence, on par with the BSD licence, then you'll be allowed to do almost anything with it. This should include making bridges possible.

And remember, these licences generally only apply to what you distribute. You can do whatever you like if you keep your code private...
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: trebul on September 29, 2010, 03:37:59 AM
Glad to hear about the NPO! :)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: ch_tech on September 29, 2010, 03:43:38 AM
never know about it
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: novamax on September 29, 2010, 06:13:22 AM
Congrats on getting the legal stuff through - Glad you can focus again on the content.

I am now an SMF fan, and it would have been a shame if it would have stalled.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: nend on September 29, 2010, 02:06:03 PM
Any news on the bylaws and how is the transfer to NPO coming along?

Strange how everyone is changing this to a license subject. I am with it, changing the license and all because there are some things that I don't like in the current license. As to what that license should be, I am currently stumped. Not one where SMF will lose all power but not one that suppresses freedom like the current one. It should be compatible with other license types also. Too bad I haven't seen such a license, leaving me to think one will have to be invented.

But enough about that.  ;D
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: phill104 on September 29, 2010, 02:12:18 PM
For those of you complaining about the Joomla-SMF thing there is a bridge available that does appear to be compliant with both licences - http://www.jfusion.org/

I can fully understand both sides of the argument from Joomla and SMF but I will withold my thoughts of the FSF and their attitude to this.

Anyway, this is NOT the thread to have this discussion. I'm just passing on the available bridge information to thos who may need it.

Carry on everyone and I wish the SMF project a bright and rosy future.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Kindred on September 29, 2010, 02:57:55 PM
nend,

formatting the document to look nice is taking some time...
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: nilox on September 29, 2010, 11:01:42 PM
Congratulations! Great news :D
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: 摩托车 on September 30, 2010, 01:12:12 PM
PurpleCrow, it basically means that SMF is no longer owned by a single person. It's been given back to the community in a sense that no single person owns the software. IMO, SMF may possibly allow (in the future) community members to possibly participate in the board etc. Having SMF owned by many, makes the project more accountable to the community rather than to a person. Many of the Team members past and present have wanted this for a very long time. Hopefully a less restrictive license will be tied to this down the road.

One member:One vote.

On ALL matters.

Those of you wondering what this actually means for the end-user...

Immediately? Nothing. In the future, though... probably some great improvements and benefits for SMF.

It's impossible to be able to specifically say what... but without dredging up the drama of recent past, suffice it to say that the previous organizational structure was hurting SMF. Not only development by existing team members, but it lead to many quality developers departing from the project. SMF suffered due to a insufficiently-sized development team, leading to much delay of SMF2. Who knows what progress and features the SMF community has missed out on due to people not contributing in the previous corporate structure?

One can hope that with this monumental change, we might see the team grow and more talent jumping on-board, old and new, which will benefit SMF as a whole.

That's the benefit to the end user. It won't be immediate, but it's a breath of fresh air that could lead to wonderful things.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Oya on September 30, 2010, 01:54:18 PM
seemed to me from all the drama that it was the people themselves not the organisational structure that was causing the trouble

i know some people dont believe it'll improve here even after it goes npo
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: cybernet on September 30, 2010, 02:25:23 PM
still waiting for the RC4 :o
thanks for announce ;)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: phill104 on September 30, 2010, 02:42:24 PM
still waiting for the RC4 :o
thanks for announce ;)

Why go for so many RCs's? Aside from a few things here and there isn't a stable release in order? Maybe now with a new team the long awaited development of SMF2 can be upon us.

As for all the wrangling. I've been watching the development of SMF for a long time in the background. I've enjoyed watching it grow and the enthusiasm fro many team members and supporters was impressive. Then it all seemed to go wrong. Even as an onlooker I wanted to come and bang some heads together. Now it looks like there is light at the end of the tunnel and things can move one.

As for the size of the team I think that doesn't matter too much as long as you have a dedicated core willing to put the work in. I'm fortunate enough to be involved with an open source product (Coppermine) and the amount of work put in by a very small team is incredible but new blood is always helpful. With all that has happened here and the development apparently stalled some new, enthusiastic team members could be just what you need to re-ignite the fire.


Please do not waste too much time arguing all the legal stuff and get back to developing SMF to the potential we all know it has.



Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Kindred on September 30, 2010, 03:24:18 PM
Aain, this topic is not about licenses or releases.

However: We have RC releases because, unlike some other software, we will only release a "gold" release when it is of truly gold quality. We are not going to release something with known major issues and then make a 'service pack' release shortly after.   THAT is not quality.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: feline on September 30, 2010, 04:41:37 PM
We are not going to release something with known major issues and then make a 'service pack' release shortly after.   THAT is not quality.
Absolutely true .. And .. it's a DEV release out for Charter Member so anyone can take a look at the functions and features they a coming RC4 will have.

Fel
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Dannii on September 30, 2010, 09:16:41 PM
The real question is why have they been labelled as RCs rather than betas. Feature creep I suspect?
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Antechinus on September 30, 2010, 09:41:47 PM
No, that wasn't the reason. ;)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Kindred on September 30, 2010, 09:45:38 PM
Not really.   Perhaps RC1 should have been a beta... RC2 was the first candidate, but the fixes for RC2 required a change in several areas which required a new RC.  RC3 was definitely a candidate... however, like RC2, there were some significant issues. Less drastic changes than RC2 to RC3, but it definitely needs an RC4 to recheck before the final.

There has been no feature creep....   As anyone can tell by the way I shoot down any feature requests that even the developers suggest be added to RC4. Creep is the bane of any PM's existence... :P
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Antechinus on September 30, 2010, 09:56:35 PM
Yeah but we just add stuff to the revs without telling you. ;D

Seriously, I would have called RC3 the first real RC. The earlier ones should really have been called betas IMHO.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: ARG01 on September 30, 2010, 10:51:08 PM
Definitely great news. Congratz SMF. Now, just waiting for RC4. If you had a thumb twiddling icon it would be placed here.


 ;)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Danpotter on October 02, 2010, 03:25:16 AM
Really very gr8 news...congrats to whole SMF  team... :D
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Farmacija on October 03, 2010, 12:00:12 PM
Thanks God, it was a time.

Now u can focus on work on smf 2.0 final, we're waiting on it for a long time. :)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: edjon2000 on October 04, 2010, 04:51:35 AM
This sounds like a major step forward it's great news :)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: laetabi on October 07, 2010, 04:27:48 PM
Been watching the various topics on SMF structure, personal issues and the loss of key developers, and of course the SMF 2 betas vs RCs vs Gold. Some worried me for a while as things looked like they could go very wrong.  So congrats and thanks to all involved in sorting out the legal structure, even those who stepped aside to help (or encourage) things to happen.

I'm still running SMF2.0 on a live site. Not had a single issue that couldn't be resolved within an hour or two through this forum.

Keep at it.




God grant me the serenity to accept the people I cannot change, the courage to change the one I can, and the wisdom to know it's me
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: kat on October 07, 2010, 04:35:14 PM
There's still a lot of work to be done and some personality clashes to quash, sadly.

We'll get there, though, with a following wind. ;)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Road Rash Jr. on October 07, 2010, 11:22:04 PM
Been watching the various topics on SMF structure, personal issues and the loss of key developers, and of course the SMF 2 betas vs RCs vs Gold. Some worried me for a while as things looked like they could go very wrong.  So congrats and thanks to all involved in sorting out the legal structure, even those who stepped aside to help (or encourage) things to happen.

I'm still running SMF2.0 on a live site. Not had a single issue that couldn't be resolved within an hour or two through this forum.

Keep at it.


I think you're on to something here. I've been running SMF2.0 RC3 on many forums since its release and the only time I had problems was when I used a mod for RC3. About half of my forums are out of the box (no mods) and those have all been rock solid.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Exion on October 09, 2010, 12:43:46 PM
Congratulations SMF. :)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Tristan Perry on October 09, 2010, 07:29:51 PM
Finally. Glad to hear it. Hopefully this will help to sort out some (edit, all) of the.. issues and get the SMF project back on track.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: TechTitan on October 11, 2010, 02:01:41 PM
I last use SMF pre Joomla bridge fiasco... after that stop using SMF since it seemed stagnant...
Will use SMF again when 2.0 is released...  :)

Anyway congrats for SMF new direction and keep up the good work... ;)

p/s: would like to read [unknown] comments... :P
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: shakespeare1604 on October 16, 2010, 10:15:21 PM
Congratulations!  I am sure the change in corporate structure from LLC to NPO will be for the betterment of the company, team, community and future members / SMF users.

Kindred, K@, and Antechinus, et al... I am impressed with your ability to respond to the many thread postings while simultaneously keeping up with project development.

Many of us are looking forward to RC4 and eventually the 2.GOLD release.  I must say however, SMF2.0 RC3 has worked fine for me (unmodified) in a production environment so far.

I'm off to exercise my rights under the SMF license to modify my new forum to my hearts content; now that is, IMHO, probably SMF's best feature.  Seriously, how many other programs are so easily able to be used as forum, blog and wiki software? (to learn how, check out the Online Manual postings)

Thanks again to all the SMF team and Congratulations on the NPO! ;)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: 1Chope on October 25, 2010, 06:56:11 AM
Thanks for the update, I have been telling people that SMF will not die, not in the nearest future, this free script will remain longer than every other ones.We are waiting for the 2.0RC4 and 2.0 final release.Thanks
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: enik on November 01, 2010, 06:08:00 PM
Exelent notice thanks Manager´s  ;)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Lolafish on November 08, 2010, 07:37:08 PM
Glad to see you're looking to the future.   :)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: DirtRider on November 09, 2010, 08:30:31 AM
Wow I have just read all 7 pages of this thread and now I am truly (https://www.simplemachines.org/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftriumphtalk.com%2FSmileys%2Fdefault%2Fy30.gif&hash=61c5e04b924ace4b5368791b4aa48357)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Aleksi "Lex" Kilpinen on November 09, 2010, 08:34:56 AM
Why would someone do that?  :o You a masochist or something? :P
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: DirtRider on November 09, 2010, 09:00:41 AM
To understand what the thread was actually about  :laugh:
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: A.Zan on November 16, 2010, 07:28:08 AM
Congratulations, and good luck   ^_^
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: ysNoi on December 09, 2010, 07:28:05 PM
This is a great move...! I have just updated my small forum from RC3 to RC4 and will be waiting for the Final Release...

Congratulations...
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Eudemon on February 12, 2011, 12:37:57 PM
SMF is now an organization, congratz!
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: kat on February 12, 2011, 12:50:42 PM
Well... slightly disorganised, for the moment, but... ;)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Masterd on February 13, 2011, 12:50:41 PM
Well... slightly disorganised, for the moment, but... ;)


When you will become organised, then?
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: kat on February 13, 2011, 12:58:29 PM
At this time, it's beyond our control, sadly.

Hopefully, though, it'll be quite soon.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: InsomniacP on March 18, 2011, 02:25:48 PM
I have been using SMF for soem time now and think what you all do here is fantastic.. I used to use Vbulletin but find this software more versatile!!

Great job and look forward to your future projects!!
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: MotherBoard on April 11, 2011, 12:24:08 PM
Creative, forward thinking idea. I love it! 8)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: diffy on April 11, 2011, 05:17:10 PM
I also think SMF is more versatile than others and pretty good at everything I want it to do.

One question:

How about some transparency into what is going on? Structure, progress plans et cetera.

Best regards,
Diffy
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Kindred on April 11, 2011, 06:19:19 PM
???   didn't K@ just post exactly what is going on?
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Dannii on April 12, 2011, 09:31:49 AM
"just" != 2 months ago.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Illori on April 12, 2011, 09:34:14 AM
this was not posted 2 months ago http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=421547.msg3011915#msg3011915
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: feline on April 12, 2011, 10:33:36 AM
Quote
Unfortunately, the person whose signature we need, has been moving house.
The moving needs more as two months and in this time he/she can't make a signature? Mysterious ...
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Aleksi "Lex" Kilpinen on April 12, 2011, 11:32:26 AM
No, but that is where we are at the moment - waiting for that one signature.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: cicka on April 12, 2011, 12:32:54 PM
Quote
Unfortunately, the person whose signature we need, has been moving house.
The moving needs more as two months and in this time he/she can't make a signature? Mysterious ...

It is not 2 months ago. K@ post where that is mentioned was done only several days ago.

http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=421547.msg3011915#msg3011915
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: kat on April 12, 2011, 12:41:58 PM
Actually, we have no idea as to what's taking him so long, because nobody seems able to contact him.

But, enough of all this.

You have the facts.

Believe them, or not, as you will.

Don't you think that all of us want v2 to go "Final"?

Think about it. Why would we be delaying it, deliberately?

We know it's making us look a bit daft. But, THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO ABOUT IT!
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Road Rash Jr. on April 12, 2011, 01:33:22 PM
There is actually, have the individual declaired a None Participant (Disinterested party) and move forward.
Thus the MIA individual by default looses all rights and claims.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Adish - (F.L.A.M.E.R) on April 12, 2011, 01:34:57 PM
There is actually, have the individual declaired a None Participant and move forward.
Thus the MIA individual by default looses all rights and claims.
The person has to resign from the organization in order for us to move on. If s/he doesn't, then we have to wait for as long as s/he takes.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: cicka on April 12, 2011, 02:17:27 PM
There is actually, have the individual declaired a None Participant and move forward.
Thus the MIA individual by default looses all rights and claims.
The person has to resign from the organization in order for us to move on. If s/he doesn't, then we have to wait for as long as s/he takes.

I am sorry to say this but this does not make any sense at all. You can now wait forevever until someone can change his or her mind about something. I am very surprised to hear this. Smf is loosing a lot of credit over the delay on the final version and license change as it is. You should really spped things up.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: IchBin™ on April 12, 2011, 02:31:59 PM
Well regardless of what makes sense, the simple fact is we are waiting on 1 person. This person has been contacted and knows that we are waiting. Does he know how urgent it is? I don't know...

If anyone lives in Atlanta feel free to offer up your "free" personal detective services to find our member to deliver the document, get it signed, and then return it to us. :)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: cicka on April 12, 2011, 03:23:52 PM
Well regardless of what makes sense, the simple fact is we are waiting on 1 person. This person has been contacted and knows that we are waiting. Does he know how urgent it is? I don't know...

If anyone lives in Atlanta feel free to offer up your "free" personal detective services to find our member to deliver the document, get it signed, and then return it to us. :)

If it takes 2 months to get a signature from a person then something is seriously very wrong with your set up. What about if someone else from the staff will decide that he or she will need another 2 months to give his or her signature for something else. What then? Smf 2.0 final will never see the light of the day. I am very sorry to say this again but this is a recipe for failure. My faith and trust in Smf just got reduced very drastically. I really wish that you guys will get things organized very soon and turn things around for the better.

Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: flapjack on April 12, 2011, 03:30:58 PM
you're missing the point. the main advantage of the new setup is that it will prevent this kind of situations happening again
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Kindred on April 12, 2011, 03:36:45 PM
cicka,

as flapjack says, you have, apparently, missed the point.

Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: poolhall on April 12, 2011, 03:41:10 PM
Actually, we have no idea as to what's taking him so long, because nobody seems able to contact him.
try this: http://www.seacoast.org/contact
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Kindred on April 12, 2011, 03:42:30 PM
he no longer works there...  :P
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: poolhall on April 12, 2011, 03:43:36 PM
too bad :)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: cicka on April 12, 2011, 04:40:18 PM
cicka,

as flapjack says, you have, apparently, missed the point.



Yes, you are right. I misunderstood the situation completely and I appologise for my little outburst but that was because I have taken a great liking to Smf and I want to see it going forward to better places.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: kat on April 12, 2011, 04:46:41 PM
Come join the team, then! :)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Matthew K. on April 12, 2011, 05:31:21 PM
+1
Come join the team, then! :)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: cicka on April 12, 2011, 05:50:38 PM
But you still have to get to that point so you can ensure it doesn't happen again... so no, I'd say the point wasn't missed at all.

Well, from what I was told, that was the old way of doing things which I misunderstood to be the current way. And once the license change will be finalised there will be nothing holding back Smf anymore.

Come join the team, then! :)

+1

I would love to if only I had a little more free time.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Illori on April 12, 2011, 06:16:30 PM
Come join the team, then! :)

+1

I would love to if only I had a little more free time.

you have enough time to make 1k posts if you keep up i bet you can earn a spot on the team.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Matthew K. on April 12, 2011, 06:17:51 PM
It's not a question on whether she has earned a spot on the team or not, as she was sent an invite in the past.
Come join the team, then! :)

+1

I would love to if only I had a little more free time.

you have enough time to make 1k posts if you keep up i bet you can earn a spot on the team.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: billy2 on April 13, 2011, 11:43:24 AM
A lone tumbleweed slowly blew across the dusty forum.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: IchBin™ on April 13, 2011, 12:00:35 PM
A lone tumbleweed slowly blew across the dusty forum.

/me pulls out his flame thrower and burns the tumbleweed to ashes.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Joshua Dickerson on April 13, 2011, 08:24:03 PM
This is one of the reasons why we are moving to a democratic business model where the members elect leadership (board of directors) and those directors create policy which the officers carry out. So, in the case of someone not being available, it would only take a vote of the members or directors to make a resolution instead of a SPoF (single point of failure).
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Road Rash Jr. on April 13, 2011, 10:54:41 PM
This is one of the reasons why we are moving to a democratic business model where the members elect leadership (board of directors) and those directors create policy which the officers carry out. So, in the case of someone not being available, it would only take a vote of the members or directors to make a resolution instead of a SPoF (single point of failure).
You guys are needlessly chasing your tails.  :o
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Kindred on April 14, 2011, 01:26:51 AM
... And you are needlessly trolling
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Road Rash Jr. on April 14, 2011, 07:59:40 AM
... And you are needlessly trolling
Cute, I see you put the troll avatar back LOL I kinda figured it was you that started this avatar rotation. Kids must play.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Kindred on April 14, 2011, 09:35:57 AM
not me... I did not do it and could not be bothered to do that, RR...  and, I have no idea who did, even if it is appropriate.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Joshua Dickerson on April 14, 2011, 09:18:09 PM
Your idiom is uselessly redundant. When is chasing your tail ever useful? It's also lost on me.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Joshua Dickerson on April 15, 2011, 08:03:34 AM
How does his quote and statement reflect your view of it? He is quoting me as saying this is why we're moving to a NPO and you are saying that he is saying something about the current situation. *confused*
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: IchBin™ on April 15, 2011, 10:55:42 AM
(https://www.simplemachines.org/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.cheezburger.com%2Fcompletestore%2F2010%2F9%2F25%2Ff1add515-7c24-4c5a-bada-2d0599419322.jpg&hash=53369a83ee7605668060faf554c21f14)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Joshua Dickerson on April 15, 2011, 08:04:38 PM
Don't be so literal.
If I don't understand an idiom, how is "don't be so literal" going to help me? I don't understand it. It's not me being a jerk at all... I really don't understand.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Road Rash Jr. on April 15, 2011, 10:55:33 PM
Ok let me try to explain......the thread is about changing from LLC to NPO. Joshua said "This is one of the reasons why we are moving to a democratic business model where the members elect leadership (board of directors) and those directors create policy which the officers carry out. " If this is one of the reasons for the change, it is needless.
To accomplish this simply, one makes an amendment to the Articles of Incorporation indicating there will be a board of directors elected by members of the corp.
Next amendments are made to the bylaws defining the changes, positions of office, and the inclusion of defining the role of membership.
From what I understand of the reasons being used for the change from LLC to NPO those involved in this are going around in circles, needlessly chasing their tails to accomplish the change in corporate direction.
The only advantage to any corporation to be an NPO is to be able to apply for a lottery permit that would allow them to raise funds for a charity of their choosing without being liable to the regular income tax regulations levied against corporate income. No one can draw a salary from the proceeds from promotional campaigns but the corporation, depending on the state it is registered in and its related gaming laws, can retain up to 20% as administrative expenses.
So unless SMF is planning on running charity fund raisers, they are waisting their money on legal fees and their time and effort when the changes can be made faster and easier without going NPO.
And as some mentioned there is one party who is MIA, a majority vote of the existing people is enough to ratify any changes in the Articles and Bylaws under the existing LLC structure. SMF moves forward, MIA is SOL and the proverbial tail is not being chased.
All could have been completed SimplyTM and many months ago.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Kindred on April 15, 2011, 11:01:02 PM
Again, RR...  you are making assumptions based on incomplete information.

first of all, yes.. we do eventually plan to file for 501/charitable status
second of all, you have no idea about how the LLC was set up...   and it would have been not nearly as simple as you suggest.
Third, the NPO members are owners but do not have to be registered with the government as such. The LLC required a governmental filing to add new members/owners.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Aleksi "Lex" Kilpinen on April 16, 2011, 12:24:16 AM
I feel I must defend Kindred here a bit - this transition involves two lawyers that are both familiar with the current setting, and local laws applying to it, and familiar with the future setting and local laws applying to it, and we are simply working based on their knowledge and understanding of the facts. The whys, hows, whens, etc. are a different thing. The LLC was set up as a dictatorship - a manager managed LLC, the NPO has been setup as a BoD managed entity. The LLC has no chance of ever getting a Non-profit status, the NPO aims to be one. Etc. There are many things that come in to play.
At this particular moment, we are only waiting for one small thing, out of many many things in the list to-do (most done already).
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: b4pjoe on April 16, 2011, 01:36:38 AM
...At this particular moment, we are only waiting for one small thing, out of many many things in the list to-do (most done already).

I have to ask then if the team has considered this one person might have decided he's not signing any piece of paper? You just never release 2.0 because he refuses to sign? It's gotten well past the ludicrous stage by now. I've never seen an organization just come to a complete screeching halt because one person can't be coaxed into signing a piece of paper. You all can keep saying it...but for how long? Seriously?
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: kat on April 16, 2011, 10:06:51 AM
Your suggestions are...?
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: b4pjoe on April 16, 2011, 11:15:37 AM
There are legal avenues that can be taken as discussed above in this type of situation....or you, and by you I do not mean you personally, can just sit and wait forever.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: kat on April 16, 2011, 04:02:56 PM
Think is, the software's free.

Lawyers and all that ****** costs money.

The only winners, if we take that route, are gonna be the lawyers.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: b4pjoe on April 16, 2011, 07:48:08 PM
Well it doesn't seem like waiting is working very good although waiting is free. ;D
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Powerbob on April 17, 2011, 09:24:23 AM
I have to agree with b4pjoe here ::)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: bloc on April 17, 2011, 10:09:41 AM
You know Kindred, the more you prattle on with your condescending disagreements to what I post, the more I realize it is you that does not know what you are talking about and you use school yard bully tactics, misinformation, personal attacks, and descention to justify your lack of knowledge and understanding of corporate law. Personally I'm beyond caring what you know or don't know, but others deserve some light to be shone in your dark corner of reality.
40 years in practice and 20 years as law professor are my qualifications, what gives you authority in corporate law?
Your assumption that I know nothing about how any LLC is set up is ludicrous, and yes it is as easy as I said. But then you not knowing anthing about law would preclude you from knowing.
Don't even bother with a rebuttal, do so if you must but I am beyond trying to reason with one so irrational.
Spend your money, waste your time, it's nothing to me, but stop BS'ing and bullying others just because you can. You have already driven highly motivated and qualified people from Simple, and you sir in my opinion have nothing to offer but to be an anchor and drag things down with your involvement.
I will not respond to any more of your petty comments and you can stick your troll avatar where the sun don't shine.

Heh, so what does a law professor doing in here then? I would assume you got more interesting things to do than bother about a small open source(or not) script such as SMF?

Funny how people - once their arguments fail - use the "experience" angle, always in nice rounded numbers too. I think i am going to proclaim being a professor in visual arts from now on, with 20 years( oh wait, I am only 44 lol, lets say 10 then) so i can use that as a argument in any design-related discussion from now on. ::)

[..end of sarcasm..]

Btw, it wasn't Kindred that drove people away from the team - that glory belongs to someone else(and not a single one either).
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Joshua Dickerson on April 17, 2011, 12:55:16 PM
Road Rash, I know it isn't the only method of lessening the possible points of failure in a business structure but it is definitely a benefit of this business structure. It came up as a fault of our current structure and one that needed to be addressed. Now, it is even more apparent than ever before. Perhaps I chose the wrong wording.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Wilma on April 17, 2011, 05:16:10 PM
So is the issue you can't reach him or he won't respond? I've seen both alluded to.  He seems pretty active on his twitter
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Powerbob on April 18, 2011, 05:32:07 AM
Sorry but I have to ask this. Whats the plan if this guy doesn't respond and sign?
Is smf finished then? because TBH it don't look to me as if he is bothered. what then?

Bob
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Bigguy on April 19, 2011, 08:44:20 AM
Kindred works hard on SMF and always has. He has not drove anyone away that I know of.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Road Rash Jr. on April 19, 2011, 08:44:50 AM

Btw, it wasn't Kindred that drove people away from the team - that glory belongs to someone else(and not a single one either).
If that is the case I would have retracted that but my post has been removed.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Road Rash Jr. on April 19, 2011, 08:50:45 AM
Kindred works hard on SMF and always has. He has not drove anyone away that I know of.
Now you do know someone  ;)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Bigguy on April 19, 2011, 09:12:52 AM
I personally don't know if that is true or the history behind you an Kindred, nor do I want to get into it right now, but if he has only drove one person from SMF in the entire time he has been here then that's not that bad, wouldn't you say. :)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Kindred on April 19, 2011, 09:47:14 AM
oh, and RR.... before your persecution complex gets the best of you.
I did not touch your post nor have I ever touched your profile or avatar.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: CoreISP on April 19, 2011, 07:03:28 PM
oh, and RR.... before your persecution complex gets the best of you.
I did not touch your post nor have I ever touched your profile or avatar.

I couldnt find anyone modifying or deleting his posts in the moderation log...
So I rather doubt any team member or moderator has done so.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: abdiederich on April 24, 2011, 09:47:04 PM
What is the best way to learn about the NPO?a
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: IchBin™ on April 24, 2011, 11:19:28 PM
When the project transfer to NPO is complete, a lot more details will be posted. Stay tuned!
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Powerbob on April 25, 2011, 12:16:39 AM
I have heard that the last person who needed to sign has now signed, is this true?
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: TechTitan on April 25, 2011, 02:40:38 AM
I have heard that the last person who needed to sign has now signed, is this true?
Woaaaa... excitement build-up  ;D
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: live627 on April 25, 2011, 03:09:33 AM
I have heard that the last person who needed to sign has now signed, is this true?
I hope so. If development activity going on right now is any indication, it seems likely to be true...
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Masterd on April 25, 2011, 05:15:14 AM
I can't belive that.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Arantor on April 25, 2011, 05:19:20 AM
Look at the tracker. There has been surprising dev activity in the last day or so. Some of it not what I'd hoped for, but right now, any activity is better than nothing.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: TechTitan on April 25, 2011, 06:23:16 AM
Yup... better than nothing....  8)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: IchBin™ on April 25, 2011, 12:26:20 PM
I have heard that the last person who needed to sign has now signed, is this true?

No, the person we've been waiting on has signed. The last person to sign is going to the Lawyers this week. We'll see how fast the rest can get done now. Everyone say some prayers and cross your fingers.  :)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: willemjan on April 26, 2011, 03:24:02 AM
No, the person we've been waiting on has signed.

Ok, to me that sounds like:
No, yes

Do I understand that wrong, or is there an typing mistake somewhere? Please clear that out? Thanks! :)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Arantor on April 26, 2011, 03:25:09 AM
No, not everyone has signed. But the person that was the principle delay has now signed.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: willemjan on April 26, 2011, 03:32:55 AM
Thanks for clearing Arantor! Good luck to SMF ;)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: joey791 on April 27, 2011, 12:26:27 AM
Pops a bottle of Cristal for the SMF team
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: James. on April 27, 2011, 05:29:07 AM
So, this means the development will enter a stream of rapids now, right? That's awesome! Is there any information about whether RC6 is going to be the gold version or not?

I recently installed RC5 for my brother, and it looks like it's quite polished already. I like those high standards, because they warrant the fact that the final version of the software will work without problems. Not quite like the recent development schedules of Opera (the webbrowser), which was fine and somewhat like this until they started development on the 10.x branch. The Final was like a beta in the 9.x era, and was only stable enough to be called a final after 10.1 or 10.5 (don't remember exactly). But I have to say they also sped up the development cycle and the amount of features or enhancements that were added along the way. And now at 11.10, they're quite there I must say. That still doesn't mean they should have released those buggy 10.0 and 11.0 as finals like they did, and I hope they won't in the future.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Powerbob on April 28, 2011, 01:05:23 AM
RC6 ....... I hope not :o
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Matthew K. on April 28, 2011, 01:17:09 AM
The answer is quite simple, there won't be an RC6. The next release will be SMF 2.0 Final/Gold.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: ~DS~ on April 28, 2011, 05:28:34 AM
The answer is quite simple, there won't be an RC6. The next release will be SMF 2.0 Final/Gold.
Oh really? Even the unforeseen circumstances?
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Aleksi "Lex" Kilpinen on April 28, 2011, 06:14:13 AM
Never say never - But I'd hope we don't see an RC 6 ;)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on April 28, 2011, 09:25:45 AM
Never say never - But I'd hope we don't see an RC 6 ;)
I think there will be a hacker attack if they don't release 2.0 Gold within 2 weeks... XD
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: kat on April 28, 2011, 09:28:34 AM
Don't give idiots ideas... **Rolls eyes**
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Arantor on April 28, 2011, 10:11:31 AM
Maybe this is why you've been DDOS'ed lately?
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: kat on April 28, 2011, 10:13:20 AM
Bit counter-productive, though, innit?
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Arantor on April 28, 2011, 10:14:31 AM
Bit counter-productive, though, innit?

Not really, because if you're not on the forum, you can be coding, or something?
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Matthew K. on April 28, 2011, 11:51:15 AM
Coding wasn't the issue holding up SMF 2.0 Final. The legal issues are the main problem.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Arantor on April 28, 2011, 11:52:12 AM
Coding wasn't the issue holding up SMF 2.0 Final. The legal issues are the main problem.

No-one said it was. But there's still a number of bugs that need to be fixed, right?
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Matthew K. on April 28, 2011, 11:58:30 AM
The question is, whether those are going to be fixed before the release of final or not. Either way this has been discussed before...
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Arantor on April 28, 2011, 12:04:53 PM
Or whether they'll be deferred for 'the next version' like a number already were?
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Xarcell on April 28, 2011, 03:01:33 PM
I heard rumors that SMF has a couple of security holes, if it's true, I hope it gets fixed....
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Aleksi "Lex" Kilpinen on April 28, 2011, 03:08:12 PM
I heard rumors that SMF has a couple of security holes, if it's true, I hope it gets fixed....
Rumors mean nothing, but if you can let us know of some newly discovered weakness somewhere - Please do so.
http://www.simplemachines.org/about/security.php
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: live627 on April 28, 2011, 10:11:05 PM
I heard rumors that SMF has a couple of security holes, if it's true, I hope it gets fixed....
if you use 1.0.4 it's true but I know you're up to date so it's cool
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: IchBin™ on April 28, 2011, 10:17:31 PM
I heard rumors that SMF has a couple of security holes, if it's true, I hope it gets fixed....

As history has shown, SMF does a pretty good job of fixing any issues that are brought to the attention of the Devs concerning security. I'm not aware of any exploits at this time though and I haven't seen any posts or reports indicating it anywhere else. Where are you hearing the rumors?
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Arantor on April 28, 2011, 10:22:54 PM
Quote
I haven't seen any posts or reports indicating it anywhere else

There is one security related matter on the tracker, actually, which I put there weeks ago. It's not an exploit, nor is it a vulnerability, in of itself, but hey, it certainly formed part of the basis for one and prevented a solid patch against the attacks of earlier this year.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: robinson01 on May 04, 2011, 07:53:33 AM
that is a very great news and you have a very great team..keep it up..
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: James. on May 06, 2011, 02:51:33 AM
The answer is quite simple, there won't be an RC6. The next release will be SMF 2.0 Final/Gold.
Aren't versions supposed to be launched as an RC indefinitely, an be declared fit for launch and becoming a final when no more bugs are discovered after a certain time of thorough search? I'm asking this because I've noticed this is the way an RC is declared final in the release cycle of Opera, Firefox and even Ubuntu Linux. Or do the SMF devs just decide at one build that it is finally ready and release it anyway?
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Aleksi "Lex" Kilpinen on May 06, 2011, 03:08:15 AM
The answer is quite simple, there won't be an RC6. The next release will be SMF 2.0 Final/Gold.
Aren't versions supposed to be launched as an RC indefinitely, an be declared fit for launch and becoming a final when no more bugs are discovered after a certain time of thorough search? I'm asking this because I've noticed this is the way an RC is declared final in the release cycle of Opera, Firefox and even Ubuntu Linux. Or do the SMF devs just decide at one build that it is finally ready and release it anyway?
Depends really. An RC is a release candidate, that really should mean it is already thought to be "ready to release, unless..."
When the "unless" happens, there may be a new RC released, that again should be ready to release, unless... And so on.

Ideally, there should never be more than one or two, maybe three RC's. We have sadly had to do double that,
but - it's not completely unheard of really, other software have done the same as well at times.
It all comes down to the fact that you can always bump in to unexpected problems while finishing the product,
and fixing bugs. Even the smallest of bugfixes, may really have large side-effects that lead to more bugfixes etc...

At this time, the RC5 is already near ready to release - and we are confident the next version will be stable and usable, as any final product should be.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: c23_Mike on May 06, 2011, 02:24:09 PM
Hi there!

I think "Lex" has not answered James question as he wanted to know it.

Yes there are several items in the bug tracker. And yes at next release there will be quite far another items in the bug tracker. Additional the latest fixed bugs will not be tested quite long in a new RC.

But these bugs are all minor or small glitches, nothing really to worry about. Secondly all other software also have some glitches at release, well known items called. Thats why all software has verious version and patches. If you want to wait for a software with really no bugs, also after several time waiting, you will never get a software ;-) believe me.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: GravuTrad on May 06, 2011, 06:20:45 PM
Hmmm, for each software, there's always bugs and updates after final version...

A final version is only a version which is considered as stable for the function of the soft. (No annoying big bug)
But there's still bugs in it, be sure of it....
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: metallica48423 on May 06, 2011, 06:38:09 PM
There will always be new bugs that pop up.  It's the nature of the beast :P
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: kat on May 07, 2011, 05:52:43 AM
Windows Seven's still a bugfix for Windows 95...
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Masterd on May 07, 2011, 07:23:17 AM
Windows Seven's still a bugfix for Windows 95...


Windows 7 is a bugfix for Vista.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Matthew K. on May 07, 2011, 03:39:05 PM
Actually, Windows 7 is what Vista was supposed to be. But Vista was way too buggy.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: live627 on May 07, 2011, 03:48:55 PM
vista wasn't exactly buggy but it didn't meet lots of expectations hence its bad name
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Aleksi "Lex" Kilpinen on May 07, 2011, 04:11:12 PM
Vista was buggy as hell until SP1. No denying that.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Masterd on May 08, 2011, 06:23:23 AM
Vista was buggy because back in 2007 there was no powerful hardware like today. The other part of the "buggynes" is the source code.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Aleksi "Lex" Kilpinen on May 08, 2011, 06:38:02 AM
Software is designed on Hardware, so hardware problems are not an excuse - and source code, well I won't even go there really - what you just said basically confirmed what I said earlier ;)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Matthew K. on May 08, 2011, 01:49:08 PM
This should really get back on topic, along with a possible split to Windows Vista being buggy? :P
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Masterd on May 09, 2011, 06:38:02 AM
I can talk about Vista for ages, so you really should split it. :P
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: jelv on May 09, 2011, 12:24:00 PM
When it goes Gold wouldn't there be a new release with just the release number changed anyway (or do we have to have a release candidate to check that the release number has been changed correctly?).
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Illori on May 09, 2011, 12:29:35 PM
there will be a new release for 2.0 once it goes gold. there will be no further RC updates once 2.0 goes gold.

there will be some minor code changes once 2.0 goes gold, it is not just a rename of RC5.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: sharks on May 09, 2011, 07:45:35 PM
NPO. 3PO. It's all starting to sound the same to me. How about some updates on how the conversion to the 3PO is moving on? Has it reached at least 50% or halfway of the overall process? Are the lawyers still waiting for some final decisions? Can we expect the litigation to be resolved before 2012? These are vague deadlines which should be answerable.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Matthew K. on May 09, 2011, 07:48:20 PM
There are other topics on this...but the NPO was resolved quite some time ago, and there is a new topic on the dev progress in the developers blog.
NPO. 3PO. It's all starting to sound the same to me. How about some updates on how the conversion to the 3PO is moving on? Has it reached at least 50% or halfway of the overall process? Are the lawyers still waiting for some final decisions? Can we expect the litigation to be resolved before 2012? These are vague deadlines which should be answerable.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: flapjack on May 09, 2011, 08:05:21 PM
NPO. 3PO. It's all starting to sound the same to me. How about some updates on how the conversion to the 3PO is moving on? Has it reached at least 50% or halfway of the overall process? Are the lawyers still waiting for some final decisions? Can we expect the litigation to be resolved before 2012? These are vague deadlines which should be answerable.

->

Hello everyone,

It has been a long time since the last blog post about SMF development. I have been meaning to post something like this for months but there always seemed to be something new coming up, right around the corner. I apologize. This post puts an end to all of that, and we'll try to get in the habit of giving you more frequent updates while we develop SMF code for you.

During the past 9 months, we have provided periodic development builds exclusively to our charter members, announced that Simple Machines has reorganized as an NPO, released SMF 2.0 RC4/1.1.12, and SMF 2.0 RC4 Security Patch/2.0 RC5/1.1.13 and announced the license change for the SMF 2.0 final release. SMF 2.0 will not only be the long awaited stable version we all are working on getting out in the community, but the free and open source software it was meant to be from the start. As you may have read, the last change required sorting out legal matters regarding the old LLC and the new NPO. At long last, this has been completed. All that's left now is to spray some "pesticode" here and there and 2.0 final should be ready to go.

Until last week, progress following the RC5 release was slow, for various reasons. Norv and Antechinus were caught up in real life and I had health problems. At this point, there are only a few changes to make, but we have started picking up the pace again and with the legal matters solved, we will do our best to release 2.0 final as soon as possible.

So, what does this all mean? It means 2.0 final is very very close to being released. Really! I can't give an exact date, but you can trust me that we will release SMF 2.0 final by the end of May, 2011, unless we get hit by an asteroid. In the mean time thank you all for your continued support.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: sharks on May 09, 2011, 10:47:25 PM
Thanks for the update, flapjack. Apparently, the final release is going to happen at the end of May 2011... unless there's an asteroid crashing somewhere, i quote. Anyway, i've given up waiting for 2.0 final, so the asteroid crash seems more likely. NPO is still 3PO. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3PO
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Matthew K. on May 09, 2011, 10:58:45 PM
It's up to you, but I really don't think you should give up on 2.0 Final. This time it's for real, now that the legal stuff has been cleared, the dev issues are being worked on, and other progress is being made daily.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: DoctorMalboro on May 10, 2011, 09:16:12 AM
Thanks for the update, flapjack. Apparently, the final release is going to happen at the end of May 2011... unless there's an asteroid crashing somewhere, i quote. Anyway, i've given up waiting for 2.0 final, so the asteroid crash seems more likely. NPO is still 3PO. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3PO
If I was a dev and read this, I wouldn't even bother on developing 2.0...

Seriously, you are the classic troll who only talks with the knowledge of... nothing. Do you even know how a NPO process is? Seriously, burocracy sucks... But that's how thinks *unfortunately* work.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Kindred on May 10, 2011, 09:22:36 AM
yes, sharks is acting distinctly troll-like, picking at bits of the message, ignoring the bits which prove him wrong and not looking at the whole thing.

especially since he's posting complaints about the 2.0 release in a thread which is announcing the organizational shift and has very little to do with the individual (forum) project releases (apart from - the transfer had to be complete before we could release under the BSD license)
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Road Rash Jr. on May 10, 2011, 09:41:09 AM
What is it with your fettish of trolls? Or is it that anyone who has a different opinion from yours is supject to your abuse? You really should add that to your 'Core Values' that you are exempt.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Matthew K. on May 10, 2011, 10:47:04 AM
Road Rash - Both Kindred and Doc are both right. Sharks is making points that are not even close to the truth.
Title: Re: Simple Machines forms as an NPO
Post by: Kindred on May 10, 2011, 11:17:46 AM
Since this actual announcement is almost a year old and it seems to have degenerated. I have locked the topic.

There will be more announcements shortly.