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Title: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Joshua Dickerson on November 28, 2010, 04:12:33 PM
Simple Machines is now proudly harnessing the power and ability of our community in order to assist with the work of documenting Simple Machines Forum. The current documentation was becoming outdated and incomplete with development and user changes. It was difficult to maintain an up-to-date document and so, we've changed the SMF documentation from a team generated and maintained set of documents to an open wiki. Allowing our community to help create, expand and dramatically change our documentation.

In the site menu you will now notice a "wiki (beta)" drop down under the "Online Manual" link. You may also visit the wiki directly by going to http://wiki.simplemachines.org (http://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/en/Main_Page).

Please assist the community in creating more, better documentation for Simple Machines Forum. You may view, edit, move, and delete pages. For more information on how to help, please visit the wiki help (http://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/en/Help:Main_page) page.

Along with the release of the wiki, we have a new slogan for the Documentation Team - "user driven education." Going forward, the user will drive what needs to be documented, what gets documented, the act of documenting, and the search for the educating article. You, as a user, are now the leader of documentation for SMF.

PS: If you would like to acquire some tools to use while you're working on the wiki, please join the Doc Helpers through group membership in your profile.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Trekkie101 on November 28, 2010, 04:15:42 PM
Our worst kept secret is alive :D
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: cblaber on November 28, 2010, 04:16:41 PM
Good stuff!
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Nolt on November 28, 2010, 04:19:40 PM
Nice, for sure it will be very useful.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Antes on November 28, 2010, 04:50:26 PM
Yey ! Nice xD
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: choloman05 on November 28, 2010, 11:21:37 PM
Now if only Wikimedia could be understood by the general user.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: the gimp on November 28, 2010, 11:41:46 PM
is it possible and how do you go about making a button that when click will redirect you to wiki

(when i say button i mean tab like where Home, Community, download ect.. is)

p.s. i want trying to sound like a jerk just could think of any other way of putting it :)
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Kindred on November 28, 2010, 11:44:43 PM
this thread is not for support of ANY issue or question with your own site. This is an announcement of a change (and improvement) on the documentation here at simplemachines.org.

However:
http://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/How_do_I_add_buttons_to_SMF_2.0%3F
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: the gimp on November 28, 2010, 11:48:48 PM
sorry about that
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Kryzen on November 29, 2010, 01:15:05 AM
Nice idea :)
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: gisfreak on November 29, 2010, 05:35:52 AM
wohoooooooo wiki on SMF, really nice  :o ;D
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Illori on November 29, 2010, 01:02:13 PM
I just noticed that I am able to "move" pages on the wiki, I am not sure you wish for people to actually be able to move pages unless they are admin/mods on the wiki. for example I can move this page http://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/Special:MovePage/How_do_I_add_buttons_to_SMF_2.0%3F
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Trekkie101 on November 29, 2010, 01:04:24 PM
I just noticed that I am able to "move" pages on the wiki, I am not sure you wish for people to actually be able to move pages unless they are admin/mods on the wiki. for example I can move this page http://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/Special:MovePage/How_do_I_add_buttons_to_SMF_2.0%3F (http://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/Special:MovePage/How_do_I_add_buttons_to_SMF_2.0%3F)


It intentional :) we want the community to truly help out :)
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Illori on November 29, 2010, 01:09:34 PM
what would you do if a spammer came by and moved/renamed all the pages or a lot of them? I dont know many wiki's that actually allow their users to move pages. you want it to be a resource not a place that pages are linked to from the forum and all end up going to a dead end as someone thought the name was bad/wrong.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Trekkie101 on November 29, 2010, 01:36:58 PM
what would you do if a spammer came by and moved/renamed all the pages or a lot of them? I dont know many wiki's that actually allow their users to move pages. you want it to be a resource not a place that pages are linked to from the forum and all end up going to a dead end as someone thought the name was bad/wrong.


With a few clicks I can put it all right back again. Also theres some anti spam stuff built in to stop mass wiki-homicide. A wiki keeps a list of basically EVERYTHING that changes, allowing us to constantly revert and go back.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: abanksob1 on November 29, 2010, 04:49:38 PM
Great cant wait to uses it and check it out
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: JBlaze on November 29, 2010, 04:51:03 PM
Very nice :)
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: SleePy on November 29, 2010, 07:19:39 PM
what would you do if a spammer came by and moved/renamed all the pages or a lot of them? I dont know many wiki's that actually allow their users to move pages. you want it to be a resource not a place that pages are linked to from the forum and all end up going to a dead end as someone thought the name was bad/wrong.

We do have some simple protection against spammers.  As it is setup now, you must have more than 10 posts on the community to be able to modify the wiki.  This simple setup offers us a much more easier solution to managing spammers, as they are usually caught before they make 10 posts on our community forums :D .
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Adish - (F.L.A.M.E.R) on November 29, 2010, 07:46:16 PM
Woooohhhpiiiee...huurrraaayy!
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Daniel15 on November 30, 2010, 05:54:59 AM
Nice! :)
I used to have a wiki for SMF modification developers, didn't renew the domain since I wasn't really keeping it alive and it kept getting spammed :(. I might have to go through the backups (I keep weekly backups of all my sites) and put some of the old articles up on this new wiki :)
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Trekkie101 on November 30, 2010, 06:12:16 AM
Nice! :)
I used to have a wiki for SMF modification developers, didn't renew the domain since I wasn't really keeping it alive and it kept getting spammed :( . I might have to go through the backups (I keep weekly backups of all my sites) and put some of the old articles up on this new wiki :)


Please do Daniel, the more content the better :D
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Dragooon on November 30, 2010, 09:02:24 AM
Just a question, are you guys using the existing bridge between SMF and MediaWiki or have you guys developed one for you own or have you extended the one currently released?

Can I sp4mz0rs the wikiz?
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Trekkie101 on November 30, 2010, 09:29:01 AM
Just a question, are you guys using the existing bridge between SMF and MediaWiki or have you guys developed one for you own or have you extended the one currently released?

Can I sp4mz0rs the wikiz?


Couple of modifications to the existing one, iirc.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Norv on November 30, 2010, 09:34:58 AM
Afaik we're using SMF Auth, modified. We might release it in the future.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Kindred on November 30, 2010, 09:38:42 AM
correction: We *DO* plan to release it in the future, after we clean up some of the SM.org specific code (and release 2.0 final)
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Joshua Dickerson on November 30, 2010, 03:22:44 PM
Yes we use a pretty heavily modified extension which we have Evey intention of releasing after cleaning it up some. Also we plan on releasing the curve skin. Feel free to help with the wiki.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Forum Labs on November 30, 2010, 03:31:32 PM
This is sooo nice :)
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: codenaught on November 30, 2010, 03:50:39 PM
Nice work guys.

It's been almost a year since I stepped down as Doc Coordinator, and I can say that using a wiki was a heavily discussed hot ticket item, in part due to its drastic change over what we currently had.

Can I ask, why did you choice MediaWiki? I seem to remember it being a big problem to decide which one to use simply because it was difficult to find one that was appropriate for our needs (especially language translations).

Are there things like language filters on it? I would hope so, because there is never a time where any swear words would be needed in the documentation.

I remember when we converted from our old wiki to using the SMF software because it was believed that SMF could be extensive enough to handle something like a documentation base. Do you feel like this is something that will now be forgotten, or should we someday see again an SMF install that can be modded to act as a wiki? Or maybe if/when an SM Core is released?

How is version control being dealt with? This was the single biggest problem I had to handle. I don't see anything separating 1.1 from 2.0. Am I missing something or is it being worked on?
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Trekkie101 on November 30, 2010, 04:00:02 PM
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Can I ask, why did you choice MediaWiki? I seem to remember it being a big problem to decide which one to use simply because it was difficult to find one that was appropriate for our needs (especially language translations).


It fit rather well, had a bridge already made, and had a rather good translation plugin.


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[/size]Are there things like language filters on it? I would hope so, because there is never a time where any swear words would be needed in the documentation.
I don't think so.


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[/size]I remember when we converted from our old wiki to using the SMF software because it was believed that SMF could be extensive enough to handle something like a documentation base. Do you feel like this is something that will now be forgotten, or should we someday see again an SMF install that can be modded to act as a wiki? Or maybe if/when an SM Core is released?
I'll answer that slightly different with things I've found help us a lot by using a wiki:
- Templates save a LOT more time.
- Revision control is a lot easier, changes are easier to see aswell, not needing manual highlighting.
- Allows users and team members to create new resources a lot easier.


- http://smfwiki.net/ - Niko is making a pretty awesome mod. The bridge we're using just now, including the curve wrapper, is going to be released.


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[/size]How is version control being dealt with? This was the single biggest problem I had to handle. I don't see anything separating 1.1 from 2.0. Am I missing something or is it being worked on?
Still a bit of an issue. Although we can do the [ver=1.1] thing still using templates and some weirdo namespace magic. Another option is to also have the pages include the version number, for example sm.org/wiki/1.1/Main Page can be done. But it is still the same sorta mess we had before. Right now the OM is serving 1.1 docs, and 2.0 are on the wiki.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Antechinus on November 30, 2010, 04:03:16 PM
Are there things like language filters on it? I would hope so, because there is never a time where any swear words would be needed in the documentation.

Hey, I've done lots of swearing when digging through SMF codebase. I'd also remind you of the infamous Australian translation of the installation instructions. ;)
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: -=[Vyorel]=- on November 30, 2010, 05:05:18 PM
Very nice. ;)

Sugestion:
Add a new member group who have permission to write on Wiki SMF,  and the normal members not, not to be problems with guests, hackeri, etc. ;)
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Kindred on November 30, 2010, 05:22:45 PM
why?  We want everyone to be able to contribute....    we'll just back out any problem edits.

Unless people abuse it, we're not going to bother with a separate usergroup.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Joshua Dickerson on November 30, 2010, 06:08:38 PM
akabugeyes, Mediawiki is the most supported wiki software with loads of extensions and support. Obviously you know of the other solutions as you and I discussed this before, but I really felt that going with something that was "easy" to setup and can easily be extended was the way to go. Whereas other options served well for documentation of a single product, this one can also serve other needs. For instance, when I was on the Customization Team, I announced that there will be an option for customization authors to create a wiki page for their customizations. That has been planned in this. With the current url structure, it will be easy for us to add other products, extensions, tools, and anything else we care to document. There was already a bridge which Sleepy worked and continues to work on which made this entire thing possible. Also, the wiki formatting is what most avid wiki users know.

As has been said before, if people create or modify pages with changes that we don't agree with, we'll revert them. If people continue to go along that route, they'll be banned. At the start, they'll not be able to make changes to the wiki and probably have some kind of ban from the forum. If you are a problem on one part of the site, we don't want you to continue that behavior elsewhere. I do like your suggestion of some kind of filter though. I will research that and you may see it added in the future.

A wiki, not just Mediawiki was chosen over SMF because it is the right tool for the job. We could use a wrench to hammer nails, but a hammer would work better for the job. I've selected "user driven education" as our motto for a reason. We, the team, shouldn't be doing all of the work. Especially when there are plenty of willing and capable people to help. I'd like for us to lead the masses and moderate where needed, but we aren't capable of doing it all. I have a vision of having a near autonomous (from the team) website where we here to develop the system which runs the website and ensure that things run smoothly. Other than that, the software can handle most of what happens around here. Especially when it comes to support (support and documentation to me are one in the same).

SMF 1.1 will be supported by the old Online Manual. I plan to convert it to something more static (searching will still be available) and at some point far down the line it will probably be dropped altogether. Future versions of SMF can be done with our current URL structure. Although, I have some other possibilities - looking at how MySQL does their documentation. You'll see on some pages that 1.1 documentation has found its way to the wiki. There are headings separating SMF 1.1 and SMF 2.0.

Jack, I appreciate anything you have to say about the wiki. It is still in "beta" and Trekkie, Snow, and I are still working to make it stable. So, if you have any suggestions as to how we can do things better, tell us. If you want to help, you know how to contact me ;)

-=[Vyorel]=-, as Kindred said, we want you to help. We don't want to hinder you unless you prove to be a nuisance. In which case, you won't have access to the wiki. As it stands now, you are in a special membergroup once you hit 10 posts anyway.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: codenaught on December 01, 2010, 05:09:42 PM
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Obviously you know of the other solutions as you and I discussed this before, but I really felt that going with something that was "easy" to setup and can easily be extended was the way to go
At one point I may have but I have a very short term memory so I couldn't probably even name more than a few wiki's from memory. ;) I've always been a fan of the premise of a wiki. I remember when I was newcomer to the doc team I used to follow my list of edits as they went on. I guess it was just something to make me feel good about myself. Right there and in front was essentially a log of all the contributions I had made to the wiki.

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For instance, when I was on the Customization Team, I announced that there will be an option for customization authors to create a wiki page for their customizations. That has been planned in this. With the current url structure, it will be easy for us to add other products, extensions, tools, and anything else we care to document
Ah, I remember planning quite extensively something just like this back in the day. I really wanted to allow for mods to have their own wiki page. I can't remember all the details of how I planned to arrange it, but I knew it wouldn't be something too easy to do using SMF. Well I guess you could create a topic for each mod, but indeed I don't think it would work as well as using a Wiki.

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As has been said before, if people create or modify pages with changes that we don't agree with, we'll revert them. If people continue to go along that route, they'll be banned. At the start, they'll not be able to make changes to the wiki and probably have some kind of ban from the forum. If you are a problem on one part of the site, we don't want you to continue that behavior elsewhere. I do like your suggestion of some kind of filter though. I will research that and you may see it added in the future.
Oh I get very much the idea upon reverting abusive changes. I was just merely thinking that certain vandalism could be harmful to the community and easily avoidable by default. Stuff like posting pornographic images however might be harder to prevent unless we moderate all image uploads perhaps. I don't know how wikipedia does it, maybe they just rely on speed of light reverts.

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A wiki, not just Mediawiki was chosen over SMF because it is the right tool for the job. We could use a wrench to hammer nails, but a hammer would work better for the job. I've selected "user driven education" as our motto for a reason. We, the team, shouldn't be doing all of the work. Especially when there are plenty of willing and capable people to help. I'd like for us to lead the masses and moderate where needed, but we aren't capable of doing it all. I have a vision of having a near autonomous (from the team) website where we here to develop the system which runs the website and ensure that things run smoothly. Other than that, the software can handle most of what happens around here. Especially when it comes to support (support and documentation to me are one in the same).
I understand the philosophy of a wiki and I don't disagree with it. I do think there are some drawbacks however, such as the quality of documentation is much harder to keep at the exceptional level it is expected to be at when maintained by the Doc Team.

Also it is much harder to coordinate big-scale restructuring type changes when the wiki is open for everyone. Before we could just work on a copy install of SMF, tell the team members to not edit the docs in the live environment, and migrate the changes over. Here, it is harder to just close off the live environment if we are planning to make some heavy changes to the way the docs are formatted or organized.

Granted it is probably much less work to reformat the organization on a wiki, with the main changes just being to the Main Page, so that is good.

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SMF 1.1 will be supported by the old Online Manual. I plan to convert it to something more static (searching will still be available) and at some point far down the line it will probably be dropped altogether. Future versions of SMF can be done with our current URL structure. Although, I have some other possibilities - looking at how MySQL does their documentation. You'll see on some pages that 1.1 documentation has found its way to the wiki. There are headings separating SMF 1.1 and SMF 2.0.
There is usually going to be a time where it is hard to determine what to do without a clear versioning support included. Think of SMF 2.0 now. It just may be the more commonly installed version of SMF today, but people who choose to stay on the stable product should have the right to complete and quality documentation. I think at some point a clear line has to be drawn. It can't be decided to have some bits of version Y mixed with version Z documentation. People should be able to go to one place, expect one thing, and get what they expect. If I go to the wiki, I want to know if I am looking at 1.1 documentation or 2.0 documentation, or both at the same time, or I have the choice between which one.

All I am trying to say is you need to decide on what exactly the wiki is. And that is up to you, I am not trying to get in your way. Will the wiki be generic or not? If it is suppose to be for SMF 2.0, it should be stated to make it obvious.

Also, I haven't checked to see if you guys are doing so, but make sure that that now that the documentation is open, that essentially all documentation discussion is open as well. Make use of the Talk pages! Doc Team is now more the moderators of the documentation and is no more a contributor necessarily than any other contributor. If the majority of the community advocates something, be sure not to get in the way in letting the community wreck improve the wiki. ;)


Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Joshua Dickerson on December 01, 2010, 05:37:32 PM
I would prefer if people didn't use the wiki for discussions. It is a terrible platform for it IMO. I'd much rather people that wish to help out that much become members of the Doc Helpers group.

We can do large scale changes by using sandboxes, templates, and letting it be known what our intentions are. The hardest part about setting this wiki up was figuring out a structure that would work. Hopefully it won't need to change all that much. One of the problems with my position is that I don't use documentation but I still have to develop it. So, I don't know when it is good and when it isn't. Right now, I don't really think it is all that good. It is "good enough". I want people to rave about the documentation of SMF.

I realize I'm not being that good in forward-thinking, but I have thought about versioning for SMF. I don't want 1.1 documentation on the wiki because a) it is too much to fix that documentation and the 2.0 documentation at the same time. I can setup a 1.1 namespace if you'd like to take care of it, but I'd rather not push any of the Documentation Team to moderating and maintaining it. I've already thought about future versions and have several things in mind, but nothing solid right now. I'd like to keep focused so we can gain some ground.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Illori on December 01, 2010, 07:08:05 PM
how would one become a member of the Doc Helpers group if they were interested?
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Adish - (F.L.A.M.E.R) on December 01, 2010, 07:44:24 PM
Contact groundup or Trekkie. They'll look into your request.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Norv on December 01, 2010, 07:45:57 PM
Doc Helpers is a freely joinable group, actually. You can find it in your profile and join it, if you wish.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Adish - (F.L.A.M.E.R) on December 01, 2010, 07:49:49 PM
It wasnt there when I joined the support helpers group IIRC. I should pay more attention. :P
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Norv on December 01, 2010, 07:53:56 PM
You're right actually, it wasn't at the time. It is now.
(you're old... and addicted. :D)
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Adish - (F.L.A.M.E.R) on December 01, 2010, 07:58:54 PM
addicted...YEAAHH! old...NAAAHHH!
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Joshua Dickerson on December 01, 2010, 07:59:14 PM
I thought I put that in the announcement but apparently I didn't. I should add that to the wiki help at the very least. It will serve you well editing the wiki.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Joomlamz on December 02, 2010, 06:47:51 AM
Nice good work
dont forget to puty portuguese
i can help it
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Tjati on December 03, 2010, 06:15:29 AM
*applaud*

Somebody knows, if there exists the same in german?
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Kindred on December 03, 2010, 10:30:38 AM
not yet. Translations are pending the full implementation of the localization plugin.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: ahrasis on December 04, 2010, 09:16:57 AM
Nice... I never thought SMF will go out of its software before but this is really nice... By the way, why don't this wiki page width be made the same as SMF site?
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: thavee on December 05, 2010, 02:03:25 PM
Oh Thank you very great 8)
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Tjati on December 07, 2010, 07:53:58 AM
not yet. Translations are pending the full implementation of the localization plugin.

Well, if there's a german Wiki I could provide some information about the technical internals from the smf 2.0.... i worked enough with it :D
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Kindred on December 07, 2010, 09:45:02 AM
translations should be straight translations....   in other words, the German version should mirror what is in the English version, and should not have "extra" stuff...

However, if you wish to contribute to the standard (English) version plus the translation, you are welcome to do so...
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: orelanic on December 08, 2010, 02:44:16 AM
A really good idea and very useful  8)
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Tjati on December 08, 2010, 06:01:42 AM
translations should be straight translations....   in other words, the German version should mirror what is in the English version, and should not have "extra" stuff...

However, if you wish to contribute to the standard (English) version plus the translation, you are welcome to do so...

Well, my english is not good enough :D But maybe there's someone who want's to translate from german to english? ;)
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Danpotter on December 08, 2010, 12:00:15 PM
This idea is really excellent....  8)
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Gika on December 08, 2010, 02:50:37 PM
nice!  I hope somebody will make an article explaining what exactly the three caching levels do :)

also, a request for/if when you release the MediaWiki bridge: please add some way to merge users from existing installations of both SMF and MediaWiki!
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Joshua Dickerson on December 08, 2010, 08:25:55 PM
I hope somebody will make an article explaining the caching levels as well. I know what they do, but I can't document everything. Chances are we won't be delving too deeply in to support for the bridge/skin.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: WillyP on December 09, 2010, 11:45:53 AM
Well, my english is not good enough :D But maybe there's someone who want's to translate from german to english? ;)

Your English looks very good to me... And the nice thing about a wiki is that someone may be able to help with any grammar or spelling issues.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: _Jojo_ on December 11, 2010, 03:31:40 PM
Tried to access the wiki but...
Code: [Select]
A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:

    (SQL query hidden)

from within function "User::addToDatabase". Database returned error "1062: Duplicate entry ' Jojo ' for key 'user_name' (10.0.100.10)".
:(
Is there probably a problem with user names that contain underscores? Mediawiki replaces all underscores by space chars.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: ilovelouis on December 14, 2010, 10:34:00 AM
Cool!!!!  8)
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: NathanC on December 15, 2010, 04:18:45 PM
The title led me to think you were making wiki software. Could that also come from this idea, and be integrated into SMF?
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Joshua Dickerson on December 15, 2010, 04:25:30 PM
Simple Machines could possibly build something like that a long time from now, but it is neither planned nor possible at this time.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: NathanC on December 15, 2010, 04:31:35 PM
If this works out well, it'd be a start. Hey if it works, it works. Meebo got started as just a small feature in this one site, and they kept working on it more and more. Eventually it was all they worked on/cared to use. They then realized how big it had become, and focused only on it, and look at it now.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Sudhakar Arjunan on December 20, 2010, 11:53:08 AM
Nice work, it will help more users to learn faster and start using the bigger smf forum.

Keep rocking.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: forumite on December 31, 2010, 11:47:12 AM
Great idea to use a Wiki for the manual, thanks.

I might be a little dense, but all I seem to be able to do is edit an existing page; How do I add a page?

TIA.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Ashley S on December 31, 2010, 12:08:39 PM
Nice work, Keep it up ;).
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: lucas-ruroken on January 03, 2011, 01:09:12 AM
cool! ;)
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Joshua Dickerson on January 03, 2011, 06:28:37 PM
Great idea to use a Wiki for the manual, thanks.

I might be a little dense, but all I seem to be able to do is edit an existing page; How do I add a page?

TIA.
go to the page which you'd like to add.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: forumite on January 03, 2011, 07:11:23 PM
Quote from: groundup
go to the page which you'd like to add.

Thanks, but now I really feel dense. How do I go to a page that doesn't yet exist?

I previously edited the Category: As a Moderator (http://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/Category:As_a_moderator) page and added the last item in this list:

"Moderators can:

    * Delete topics and replies to topics.
    * Move topics to another board.
    * Split posts out of a topic to create a new topic.
    * Sticky a topic placing the topic on the top of a board
    * Merge topics into one topic.
    * Rename topics (aka change subject lines)."

Now I want to create a page to explain how to rename topics, and have it show up under "R". But I don't see a link such as "add page".
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Illori on January 03, 2011, 07:49:58 PM
check out this (http://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/index.php?title=Category%3AAs_a_moderator&action=historysubmit&diff=2763&oldid=2755) and see if that helps a bit.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Kindred on January 03, 2011, 08:13:35 PM
bascially, in the previous pge, add your link and then click on it. In a wiki, if you attempt to access a page which doesn't exist, it gives you the option to create that page.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: forumite on January 03, 2011, 10:17:50 PM
OK thanks both. I was able to create the page by clicking on 'Rename topics', but I don't see how to get it to show up under 'R' in the list of pages.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Kindred on January 03, 2011, 10:21:53 PM
Category link
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: forumite on January 03, 2011, 10:34:24 PM
Ah, that was too easy, thanks again.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: MF Tlaxcala on January 10, 2011, 08:40:02 AM
Mmmm, interesting Wiki. Going to investigate this further.
Anyway, great work guys. It looks very handy for then n00bies and even for the more expired members to find there way easily through the Wiki categories and pages.

Regards,
MF Tlaxcala
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: InfoStrides on January 10, 2011, 09:29:30 AM
Really helpful! Good jobs you have done. keep this up!
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: _Jojo_ on January 15, 2011, 10:41:46 AM
Tried to access the wiki but...
Code: [Select]
A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:

    (SQL query hidden)

from within function "User::addToDatabase". Database returned error "1062: Duplicate entry ' Jojo ' for key 'user_name' (10.0.100.10)".
:(
Is there probably a problem with user names that contain underscores? Mediawiki replaces all underscores by space chars.
This is still happening btw..
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Blowguner on January 15, 2011, 11:45:28 PM
So hows this supposed to work out?

Some of my compiled questions.

*Errors
*People edit in their own infomation.


Will update if more.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: yeahhh on January 21, 2011, 03:13:37 PM
Yey!
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: anyoldcard on January 22, 2011, 05:17:51 PM
Our worst kept secret is alive :D

Would it not be, your best kept secret? :)
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Masterd on January 24, 2011, 06:39:21 AM
This Wiki is great! :D I will try to help with it as much as I can. :D
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: dcmouser on January 27, 2011, 09:07:44 PM
Really nicely done, congrats to those who worked on the wiki -- both the content and the underlying code to implement it!
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: dichvuseo on January 29, 2011, 06:52:35 AM
Thank for your sharing, i have PM for you for your opinion :)
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Sakurachan on January 29, 2011, 07:13:58 PM
Ah, quite the smart idea. A wiki works quite well to me
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Boltâ„¢ on February 05, 2011, 05:30:08 PM
Looks fine, I will take a look for sure.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: belle1003 on February 09, 2011, 12:05:00 PM
yay !  ;D

this is great :)
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Charlie82 on February 24, 2011, 04:32:17 AM
Now the Online manual uses Mediawiki, is SMF Wiki project abandoned or simply not public at the moment?
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Masterd on February 24, 2011, 04:33:34 AM
What do you mean?
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Charlie82 on February 24, 2011, 04:45:36 AM
Online manual -> Wiki (beta) points to Mediawiki: http://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/Main_Page

I though this announcement was about a new wiki software. Is a SMF Mediawiki bridge what this thread is about?
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Masterd on February 24, 2011, 04:47:04 AM
This is topic is about the whole Wiki.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Kindred on February 24, 2011, 07:49:48 AM
Charlie,

the smf wiki mod was never a team effort.... it is created by a community member. So, we have not abandoned anything...    smf wiki is not an official release.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Charlie82 on February 24, 2011, 07:57:02 AM
Ah so then this thread is about the release of the Simple Machines Wiki (using Mediawiki software)?

If it is so... sorry, "Beta" confused me. It is an excellent idea.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Masterd on February 24, 2011, 08:00:46 AM
Ah so then this thread is about the release of the Simple Machines Wiki (using Mediawiki software)?


Exactly! ;)
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Joshua Dickerson on February 24, 2011, 05:58:20 PM
The beta is because the stable release is still SMF 1.1 and the documentation on the wiki isn't complete nor is it entirely correct. For the most part, it is, but we don't want to lead people to believe that this is everything or that the documentation is always going to be correct. It is kind of like Google's use of beta tags. GMail has had a beta tag since it's release (you can still turn it on beta with additional features) and it will probably never get out of beta.

SMF's documentation will be out of beta at some point, but we aren't there yet.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: pearpandas on March 29, 2011, 09:06:05 AM
Awesome!  This looks great!
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: harrylubanski on April 04, 2011, 06:37:24 AM
Great, I dont know many wiki's that actually allow their users to move pages.



Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Joshua Dickerson on April 04, 2011, 10:06:31 PM
There's plenty of moderation features that allow us to revert changes. So, it isn't really an issue at this time.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Asphered on June 16, 2011, 09:44:19 AM
WTF is a wiki
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Illori on June 16, 2011, 09:49:06 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Asphered on June 16, 2011, 09:51:24 AM
Thanx ;D
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Tomcraft on June 17, 2011, 04:35:14 AM
Do have a beta version available for charter member?

Best regards

Torsten
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Illori on June 17, 2011, 05:41:37 AM
the wiki is available to everyone at this point.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Tomcraft on June 17, 2011, 07:38:20 AM
mhhhh? Where is the download? I meant the bridge, not the wiki located here: http://wiki.simplemachines.org

Best regards

Torsten
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Kindred on June 17, 2011, 07:39:10 AM
the wiki bridge is not yet available for download
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Illori on June 17, 2011, 07:41:40 AM
the bridge is not ready to be released, this has been covered in several threads already. when the team is ready to release it it will be released and not a moment sooner.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: SwissReplicaWatches on September 19, 2011, 01:13:26 AM
what would you do if a spammer came by and moved/renamed all the pages or a lot of them? I dont know many wiki's that actually allow their users to move pages. you want it to be a resource not a place that pages are linked to from the forum and all end up going to a dead end as someone thought the name was bad/wrong.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Joshua Dickerson on September 19, 2011, 10:07:20 AM
We can always restore from backups and make mass changes. There are several anti-SPAM methods in place as well.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: emilykrys on September 30, 2011, 02:11:16 AM
When is wiki bridge coming out?
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: SleePy on September 30, 2011, 05:57:55 PM
It got pushed to the back burner because of other things, but I am working on making sure we have cleaned up any bugs and will let the community get their hands on it.  So far I only have one known bug we believed we fixed.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Angelina Belle on October 04, 2011, 12:45:53 PM
Woohoo!
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: wilowterra on November 04, 2011, 01:28:08 PM
wOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWW ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Eudemon on November 14, 2011, 10:03:32 PM
+1 awaiting for the bridge
dont worry i will be patient
bruyahuahhhhh <-- some random noise
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: lambcrazy on November 19, 2011, 12:29:38 AM
its very good ...  it make it easy for everyone  to understand  and ofcourse we all help for building it .. :)
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: becometa on November 30, 2011, 05:15:45 PM
we're all waiting impatiently for it
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Kindred on November 30, 2011, 05:17:01 PM
Waiting for what?   The Wiki is live and running  - just click on the online manual link at the top
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Angelina Belle on December 01, 2011, 09:13:49 AM
I think they are waiting for the bridge.
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: becometa on December 01, 2011, 03:43:58 PM
yup, I mean bridge ;D
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: wilowterra on December 07, 2011, 02:31:56 AM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Now Announcing the Simple Machines Wiki (beta)!
Post by: Angelina Belle on December 08, 2011, 11:21:24 AM
The bridge is now available. Please see the announcement at http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=461612.0