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Customizing SMF => Modifications and Packages => Mod Requests => Aiheen aloitti: ManOfBliss - kesäkuu 05, 2012, 04:37:40 AP

Otsikko: Aeva Footer
Kirjoitti: ManOfBliss - kesäkuu 05, 2012, 04:37:40 AP
I recently installed the Aeva mod into my forum and it's now integrated into my forum.

Prior to installing it, I read through the description, and I thought it was a cool
and convenient modification to apply.

Regrettably, now that I see it in use throughout my forum, I notice there is a footer-link
automatically added to the bottom-left line of the page.

While I respect the wishes of the developers, I find this a breach of agreement and
feel justified in wanting to remove it.

Nowhere in the description that I read did it mention it would insert a footer link
on every single page the mod is used.

To me, that is deceptive, and I believe that I have the right to remove it, since that
was not presented to me as part of the deal before downloading and installing.

Now, I know someone people may try to persuade the idea that it would be illegal
to remove their footer, but I believe it's illegal to install that footer without my
prior agreement. I do acknowledge that the mod is free, so it's kind of nice to let
them have a tiny footer, but on EVERY page it's used? That's extreme.

Does anyone know if there's a way to get a premium copy of this mod and have
that footer removed?
Otsikko: Re: Aeva Footer
Kirjoitti: NanoSector - kesäkuu 05, 2012, 04:40:49 AP
Hi ManOfBliss!

You should be able to request a premium copy at their site. Register for an account there and probably they will help you:
http://aeva.noisen.com/
Otsikko: Re: Aeva Footer
Kirjoitti: Arantor - kesäkuu 05, 2012, 07:00:09 AP
Aeva is not officially supported. The limit of support is if I can be bothered and/or know the answer. Which is not nearly as often as it might sound like. And no further development is occurring on Aeva for SMF at all unless something truly huge happens.

LainaaTo me, that is deceptive, and I believe that I have the right to remove it, since that
was not presented to me as part of the deal before downloading and installing.

You do not have that right in the free version, whether you think you do or not.

LainaaNow, I know someone people may try to persuade the idea that it would be illegal
to remove their footer, but I believe it's illegal to install that footer without my
prior agreement. I do acknowledge that the mod is free, so it's kind of nice to let
them have a tiny footer, but on EVERY page it's used? That's extreme.

Considering it's only on pages it's actually used, as opposed to some mods that put it everywhere in the forum, and that it's showing due credit to the author, I'd say you're getting off quite lightly. As I said, whether you think it's illegal or not to do so, it is without permission of the author.
Otsikko: Re: Aeva Footer
Kirjoitti: ManOfBliss - kesäkuu 05, 2012, 09:45:53 AP
LainaaYou do not have that right in the free version, whether you think you do or not.

Considering that it was placed without prior agreement or statement, I do actually, since any
non-disclosed terms are null.

In the end, as I already said, I think it's a cool and helpful mod. And it's free, so I'm willing
to bear the footer, even though I think one on every page is too much, regardless of what
others have done in the past.

Personally, I'd rather pay the developer 10 bucks, and get it footer-free.
Otsikko: Re: Aeva Footer
Kirjoitti: Arantor - kesäkuu 05, 2012, 09:51:43 AP
LainaaConsidering that it was placed without prior agreement or statement, I do actually, since any
non-disclosed terms are null.

Actually, that's debatable. There's a licence file in the mod, which should have been communicated to you during the installation process - before any installation actually takes place. There is also a copy of the licence available at http://noisen.com/license.php

LainaaIn the end, as I already said, I think it's a cool and helpful mod. And it's free, so I'm willing
to bear the footer, even though I think one on every page is too much, regardless of what
others have done in the past.

That's gratitude for you. It's partly that sort of attitude that convinced Nao to stop supporting Aeva development for SMF.
Otsikko: Re: Aeva Footer
Kirjoitti: ManOfBliss - kesäkuu 05, 2012, 10:14:16 AP
LainaaAgreement
---------
1. All copyright notices in source files or otherwise generated shall remain intact without
   modification, unless being given written permission from the copyright holders. The name
   of the package and links to associated websites must remain in clear view for all users.

OK, so there is a reference to some kind of embedded link in the Read Me of the zip file.

All I'm asking is for some clear transparency. As a developer, shouldn't they, more than anyone,
know how protective and careful people are about the use of real estate and design of their page?

I run a business, and if I don't make my sales terms in plain English, right in the buyer's face,
I get complaints.

I'm just saying it'd be nice if this was pointed out in the Description on the Mod page here on SMF,
so that I don't install the mod, and discover months later 1,000 backlinks redirecting
my paid customers to someone else's website.

LainaaThat's gratitude for you. It's partly that sort of attitude that convinced Nao to stop supporting Aeva development for SMF.

I already said multiple times it's a cool mod, and that I'd even money pay for it.

I'm ungrateful?

And by the way, props for the Wedge.com thing. If you are involved in that, then good for you.

Happy to see innovation happening.
Otsikko: Re: Aeva Footer
Kirjoitti: NanoSector - kesäkuu 05, 2012, 10:22:56 AP
Sorry to bump into this again, but the OP has the right to have at least the copyright changed so that it only appears in AEVA itself, not on the whole software. It's expected behavior that way and doesn't change the way the copyright "looks".
Otsikko: Re: Aeva Footer
Kirjoitti: Suki - kesäkuu 05, 2012, 10:28:21 AP
Yoshi, AEVA and AEVA media only shows it copyright on the gallery part and when an user uses the mod, that is, when a video is posted. On places where the mod isn't showed, there is no copyright link.


The Whole license/copyright movement is relatively new to the SMF community, we are slowly changing that by telling mod authors to explicitly tell users under which license the mod is released, we encourage open license but we do not require them, if a mod author choses to use a restrictive license (s)he can do so but (s)he must clearly specify what are the terms.
Otsikko: Re: Aeva Footer
Kirjoitti: NanoSector - kesäkuu 05, 2012, 10:30:09 AP
Lainaus käyttäjältä: Suki - kesäkuu 05, 2012, 10:28:21 AP
Yoshi, AEVA and AEVA media only shows it copyright on the gallery part and when an user uses the mod, that is, when a video is posted. On places where the mod isn't showed, there is no copyright link.


The Whole license/copyright movement is relatively new to the SMF community, we are slowly changing that by telling mod authors to explicitly tell users under which license the mod is released, we encourage open license but we do not require them, if a mod author choses to use a restrictive license (s)he can do so but (s)he must clearly specify what are the terms.
Which is the point of this topic, the OP is complaining that the mod shows it's copyright onto the whole forum from what I understood.
Otsikko: Re: Aeva Footer
Kirjoitti: nend - kesäkuu 05, 2012, 12:21:14 IP
According to the Customization Approval Guidelines, Aeva having its copyright in post where it is used in BBC form is against the guidelines in forth. These guidelines might of been changed though, so it all matters when the mod was released and what guidelines where in place at that time. However the  "We realize this will be sub...." clause sort of contradicts  this and mainly leaves it up to the customization team here.

According to these guidelines Aeva has all the right to have the copyright in the footer in its own pages, example the gallery.

LainaaCopyright and Credit
- Placing your copyright and/or links into the footer with SMF's copyright.
--Mods that add their copyright to every page must be mods that modify significant parts of SMF. For example a Portal mod adds blocks to every page, or a media mod adds functionality to every page for viewing. Themes alter the appearance of every page viewed.

-Placing your copyright and/or links into the credits page.
--Small Mods that only modify SMF to add small features will not be allowed to add their copyright or links to the SMF footer or the credits page. For example BBC mods, or mods that only affect a very small part of a page. Medium sized mods that modify a reasonable part of the page can add their copyright or links to the credits page.

-We realize this will be subjective on our part. And that some mods will fall between these categories. Copyrights will be reviewed on a case by case basis when necessary.

-Unrelated links such as ads, links to other websites or sponsors, are not allowed to be placed place in the copyright. In other words, if the link is not related to the mod or mod support, it is not allowed.

I like Aeva though and don't mind the copyright in the footer of pages it is in use. Basically I have no problem with it in its current form, just stating the facts.  ;)

Otsikko: Re: Aeva Footer
Kirjoitti: emanuele - kesäkuu 05, 2012, 12:33:18 IP
Lainaus käyttäjältä: Yoshi2889 - kesäkuu 05, 2012, 10:30:09 AP
Which is the point of this topic, the OP is complaining that the mod shows it's copyright onto the whole forum from what I understood.
I have AEVA installed and the copyright is displayed only where it should be.

/me usually tests each and every mod on his localhost before using it "live"...well most of them. :P
Otsikko: Re: Aeva Footer
Kirjoitti: NanoSector - kesäkuu 05, 2012, 12:35:17 IP
Lainaus käyttäjältä: emanuele - kesäkuu 05, 2012, 12:33:18 IP
Lainaus käyttäjältä: Yoshi2889 - kesäkuu 05, 2012, 10:30:09 AP
Which is the point of this topic, the OP is complaining that the mod shows it's copyright onto the whole forum from what I understood.
I have AEVA installed and the copyright is displayed only where it should be.

/me usually tests each and every mod on his localhost before using it "live"...well most of them. :P
Which is why there should be a fix provided.....
Otsikko: Re: Aeva Footer
Kirjoitti: TheListener - kesäkuu 05, 2012, 12:39:17 IP
I find the mod to be one of the best there is.

Considering how much can be done with the mod ( yes I am still learning) I  actually find the mods copyright to be acceptable.

Otsikko: Re: Aeva Footer
Kirjoitti: emanuele - kesäkuu 05, 2012, 02:52:19 IP
Lainaus käyttäjältä: Yoshi2889 - kesäkuu 05, 2012, 12:35:17 IP
Which is why there should be a fix provided.....
Are you sure there is something to fix?
Lainaus käyttäjältä: ManOfBliss - kesäkuu 05, 2012, 04:37:40 AP
Nowhere in the description that I read did it mention it would insert a footer link
on every single page the mod is used.
So as far as I can unuderstand it is working as expected. ;)
Otsikko: Re: Aeva Footer
Kirjoitti: NanoSector - kesäkuu 05, 2012, 02:59:58 IP
Lainaus käyttäjältä: emanuele - kesäkuu 05, 2012, 02:52:19 IP
Lainaus käyttäjältä: Yoshi2889 - kesäkuu 05, 2012, 12:35:17 IP
Which is why there should be a fix provided.....
Are you sure there is something to fix?
Lainaus käyttäjältä: ManOfBliss - kesäkuu 05, 2012, 04:37:40 AP
Nowhere in the description that I read did it mention it would insert a footer link
on every single page the mod is used.
So as far as I can unuderstand it is working as expected. ;)
Oh, meh, misread then. Nevermind me.

/me silently quits discussion
Otsikko: Re: Aeva Footer
Kirjoitti: TheListener - kesäkuu 05, 2012, 03:01:14 IP
/me looks for frying pan.
Otsikko: Re: Aeva Footer
Kirjoitti: FrizzleFried - kesäkuu 05, 2012, 03:55:04 IP
Don't want the copyright?  Uninstall the mod.  No one is FORCING you to use it.  It's not anyone's fault but your own that you didn't notice the copyright when you first installed.