I was led to believe things were going to be sped up after the long, long, long...........very long..................time frame of the SMF 2.0 development. Now we were told sometime ago there would be a SMF 2.50 before any 3.0 so I'm wondering if this has even been started because this very forum was used to develop 2.0 from alpha?
Please see: https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1
On that page you can track all the activity, commits, changes and even discussions, you can also freely participate on the development process, you only need to know how to use git.
I don't know where you ever heard the use of 2.5
However, even aside form the github repository, there is a post in the developers blog that talks all about it
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=469381.0
QuoteI don't know where you ever heard the use of 2.5
This isn't Joomla, heh ;)
Thing to be aware of is that even with all the work that's gone on, there is still going to be a beta testing period and it's still going to be in the order of months rather than weeks for that period to occur.
true :)
I'm sure I read there was going to be a major update of SMF 2 before SMF 3 ?
Yes, there is, it's called SMF 2.1 as per the linked stuff above. But it's still going to be several months away before a 'gold' release.
SMF 3.0 on the other hand, it going to be at least a couple of years away before the same point.
Quote from: MusicBold on August 01, 2012, 08:33:15 AM
frame of the SMF 2.0 development are going wrong!
And what do you mean by that ?
a spam frame I presume
Quote from: Arantor on July 17, 2012, 06:54:56 PM
SMF 3.0 on the other hand, it going to be at least a couple of years away before the same point.
Although the pace is picking up drastically!
*shrug* However fast you move, it's still realistically going to be a couple of years to have smCore AND the forum module at a really usable/stable point.
Couple of "YEARS" ???
Why does smf move so slowly? Your being passed by phpbb in terms of delivery....and that is pretty sad.
Yes, it does take a couple of years to completely write something from *scratch* which is what smCore/SMF 3.0 is - it's not just an incremental change.
How long did phpBB 3.0 to make compared to phpBB 2.0 for example?
Also, you should be aware that there have been multiple turn-overs of developmental staff as well.
Oh, and two years for volunteers who do have other things to do in their lives is really not a huge amount of time.
(I suspect you have no idea how long development of these things actually takes.)
Quote from: V@por on August 04, 2012, 01:13:59 PM
Couple of "YEARS" ???
Why does smf move so slowly? Your being passed by phpbb in terms of delivery....and that is pretty sad.
Feature wise I feel we hold up to phpBB, only now are they showing potential, but 2.1 will in turn counter that ;)
Considering that SMF hasn't added any major features in several years it is certainly a testament to phpBB's feature set that they're only just now catching up, yes.
But there is still a point to be made here... XenForo is only a couple of years old too.
Quote from: Arantor on August 04, 2012, 06:21:10 PM
But there is still a point to be made here... XenForo is only a couple of years old too.
That's a paid software being made by developers as their full time job. SMF really can't compete with that given how small a development team there has been and with the churn as well.
I'm well aware of that fact. Just saying that the entire forum industry has moved on a generation.
The churn has been the real killer however.
/me only churns butter
Quote from: Fustrate on August 03, 2012, 12:43:00 AM
Quote from: Arantor on July 17, 2012, 06:54:56 PM
SMF 3.0 on the other hand, it going to be at least a couple of years away before the same point.
Although the pace is picking up drastically!
smCore is going to take a while regardless as at the moment it's not even stable enough to show a 404 error page. :P (the permissions/roles database tables aren't in the SMF3 db dump).
Off topic: Might be a good idea to try and put a database dump up on the smCore github page - I had to work out the structure for a couple of tables from the source code.
Quote from: Arantor on August 04, 2012, 11:03:35 PM
I'm well aware of that fact. Just saying that the entire forum industry has moved on a generation.
Personal results and 'news feeds' are becoming more popular and might be things for those working on smCore, SMF3 and other projects to consider? I think I saw a thread mentioning this somewhere either in Future SMF Discussion or on smCore.org
Quote from: Sorck on August 06, 2012, 10:44:08 AM
Quote from: Fustrate on August 03, 2012, 12:43:00 AM
Quote from: Arantor on July 17, 2012, 06:54:56 PM
SMF 3.0 on the other hand, it going to be at least a couple of years away before the same point.
Although the pace is picking up drastically!
smCore is going to take a while regardless as at the moment it's not even stable enough to show a 404 error page. :P (the permissions/roles database tables aren't in the SMF3 db dump).
Off topic: Might be a good idea to try and put a database dump up on the smCore github page - I had to work out the structure for a couple of tables from the source code.
There is no SMF3 database dump anymore, you might be looking at Norv's old version. Once I add an smCore database dump, it's stable enough to show a home page, 404, 403, all that jazz. I'm not too worried about adding one right now, though, because then people might try to use it :P
Quote from: Fustrate on August 06, 2012, 10:51:24 AM
Quote from: Sorck on August 06, 2012, 10:44:08 AM
Quote from: Fustrate on August 03, 2012, 12:43:00 AM
Quote from: Arantor on July 17, 2012, 06:54:56 PM
SMF 3.0 on the other hand, it going to be at least a couple of years away before the same point.
Although the pace is picking up drastically!
smCore is going to take a while regardless as at the moment it's not even stable enough to show a 404 error page. :P (the permissions/roles database tables aren't in the SMF3 db dump).
Off topic: Might be a good idea to try and put a database dump up on the smCore github page - I had to work out the structure for a couple of tables from the source code.
There is no SMF3 database dump anymore, you might be looking at Norv's old version. Once I add an smCore database dump, it's stable enough to show a home page, 404, 403, all that jazz. I'm not too worried about adding one right now, though, because then people might try to use it :P
My dev copy sports a change in smCore\storage\Rolls so it lets me actually test things (e.g. the file cache) Maybe put a database dump up on smcore.org or somewhere like that? I'm sure if the code and database are in different places nobody will accidentally use it in a non-development/curiosity area... :P
I'm going to have to work out how to sign things off through Git. :P
git commit -s, or look for an option in your GUI if you're using one. I have Tower (http://www.git-tower.com/) set up to sign off any commits I make.
Is this, the main site not used for development anymore ?
what do you mean? We have never released development releases on this site.
Simplemachines.org is the main site for distribution, support and customization of SMF.
The GIT repository is the new, open codebase so that
a) people who know what they are doing can get copies of the code and debug things during development
b) people outside of the development team can actually contribute code for bugfixes and enhancements. (although not all code will actually be accepted into the trunk)
I thought SMF 2 was live here while it was being developed
Quote from: movierchives on August 08, 2012, 06:03:52 PM
I thought SMF 2 was live here while it was being developed
SMF 2.1 is not ready for live deployment yet, although IIRC it's getting close.
Version 2.0.2 IS in use on this forum, and is available for download. Version 2.1 is not yet ready for deployment...
Quote from: movierchives on August 08, 2012, 06:03:52 PM
I thought SMF 2 was live here while it was being developed
It was live here during part of the development phase, but not during the "alpha" stage (which is where SMF 2.1 is at right now), and the source code wasn't available to everyone until the first public beta (which I believe was around Beta 3 for SMF 2.0).
SMF 2.1 will be installed here once we feel it's stable enough to do so. With lots of changes being made right now, it's just not a good time to install 2.1 here.
In short, SMF is a lot more open now than it ever has been in the past. You can see what we're working on and see what changes we're making as they're made. In the past you had to wait until we told you what we'd done and/or released something to the public.
I was sure 2 was live here in Alpha although I never tried it until beta. TBH the beta length put me right off them
AFAICS from the internet archive, sm.org has always used a development version of the code since the very beginning. Though things are a bit different now (for example we are using SimpleDesk and in order to use a development release we need to make sure SD works with the code we are working on), additionally the only team member of the site team is currently on-hiatus, so we cannot (and I would not...and I'm pretty sure many other (like someone with a dark avatar :P) people would not) force a potentially insecure release on the site without being sure we can fix any issue we find timely.