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SMF Development => Feature Requests => Topic started by: Daktyl198 on March 25, 2013, 02:02:16 AM

Title: Default PM layout
Post by: Daktyl198 on March 25, 2013, 02:02:16 AM
I think that the default layout (and maybe even the only layout for the sake of simplicity and code-cleanup) for the private messaging system in 2.1+ should be "as a conversation". It keeps the messages MUCH more organized and easier to keep track of.
The conversation with the newest reply should always go at the top...

Also, there should be a reply box at the end of the conversation page so that the user doesn't have to load an entirely new page just to reply to the conversation.
Title: Re: Default PM layout
Post by: shadow82x on March 25, 2013, 02:10:36 AM
+1 to both suggestions
Title: Re: Default PM layout
Post by: Shambles on March 25, 2013, 04:26:26 AM
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I think that the default layout ... for the private messaging system in 2.1+ should be "as a conversation". It keeps the messages MUCH more organized and easier to keep track of.
How can you say that? The layout is very much a subjective matter which is why the choice is available; I prefer "one at a time", as it happens.
Title: Re: Default PM layout
Post by: Chalky on March 25, 2013, 07:21:03 AM
I can't stand the conversation view...
Title: Re: Default PM layout
Post by: kat on March 25, 2013, 07:22:24 AM
Me, neither.
Title: Re: Default PM layout
Post by: emanuele on March 25, 2013, 09:03:12 AM
Out of curiosity: why?
Title: Re: Default PM layout
Post by: Arantor on March 25, 2013, 10:56:25 AM
Don't forget conversation view is no real use without the sent messages being saved... which by default, they are not.
Title: Re: Default PM layout
Post by: Irisado on March 25, 2013, 12:07:36 PM
There's nothing wrong with the current default PM system in my opinion.

Assuming conversation view is akin to that which is used by certain webmail providers, I find that difficult to follow, and would not like to see it implemented by default. 
Title: Re: Default PM layout
Post by: Arantor on March 25, 2013, 12:16:41 PM
It's available in the core and has been for years... but right now 'all at once' is the default, which is even worse, IMNSHO.
Title: Re: Default PM layout
Post by: Irisado on March 25, 2013, 12:42:07 PM
A list of all your messages in order whereby you click to read each one seems like the simplest, and most logical, way to handle PMs by default.  What am I missing?
Title: Re: Default PM layout
Post by: Arantor on March 25, 2013, 12:43:24 PM
Tying a sequence of messages together. Very often there will be back-and-forth between people, and having that entire sequence put together is actually advantageous.
Title: Re: Default PM layout
Post by: Irisado on March 25, 2013, 12:46:06 PM
I just find that unnecessary.  It's easy to keep track of replies, and conversations, for me at least, without having to link them together.  By all means have it as a mod, I'm sure someone has already made one anyway, but as default, I just don't think that it's warranted.
Title: Re: Default PM layout
Post by: Arantor on March 25, 2013, 12:48:12 PM
I will say it again, then. It is a feature of SMF and has been for years.
Title: Re: Default PM layout
Post by: emanuele on March 25, 2013, 12:50:32 PM
I was preparing a question, but you already answered, so I'll just post a comment.

I find difficult to follow any kind of PM discussion that doesn't use conversation mode: all the PM staked in a line with no connection whatsoever, if I receive a PM related to something "we" were discussing months ago I would have to dig into the inbox looking for the previous PM and my PMs are instead in the outbox, so I have no way to follow the flow of the full discussion, but I have to guess what I answered unless the one I was discussing with quoted my entire PM or at least a good portion of it, etc.

I find conversation mode the most effective and any other way rather confusing...

ETA: TBH, change the default way was one of he things I was considering for 2.1 (including save own PMs by default).
Title: Re: Default PM layout
Post by: Irisado on March 25, 2013, 12:54:24 PM
Quote from: Arantor on March 25, 2013, 12:48:12 PM
I will say it again, then. It is a feature of SMF and has been for years.

So it is, you're correct.  When you said core, I thought that you meant SMF Core, rather than SMF 2.0 for some reason.

In that case, the OP's question seems relatively redundant to me.

Quote from: emanuele on March 25, 2013, 12:50:32 PM
I was preparing a question, but you already answered, so I'll just post a comment.

I find difficult to follow any kind of PM discussion that doesn't use conversation mode: all the PM staked in a line with no connection whatsoever, if I receive a PM related to something "we" were discussing months ago I would have to dig into the inbox looking for the previous PM and my PMs are instead in the outbox, so I have no way to follow the flow of the full discussion, but I have to guess what I answered unless the one I was discussing with quoted my entire PM or at least a good portion of it, etc.

I find conversation mode the most effective and any other way rather confusing...

ETA: TBH, change the default way was one of he things I was considering for 2.1 (including save own PMs by default).

I wouldn't mind PMs being saved by default, and having to uncheck the label to change it.

As for the rest, I'll blame your preference on conversation on your Italian nationality :P ;).
Title: Re: Default PM layout
Post by: Arantor on March 25, 2013, 12:58:41 PM
FWIW, in Wedge I just saved them anyway. There's none of this 'save to outbox by default' or changeable behaviour, it just saves them all the time regardless, and there's no option. I did also make the default 'one at a time' rather than 'all at once' but I keep meaning to overhaul it not to show PMs unless you've actually selected one.
Title: Re: Default PM layout
Post by: emanuele on March 25, 2013, 01:08:27 PM
Yeah, I was considering that too: list of PMs as default (a la gmail) and then click on one => brings to the conversation. That would allow to keep the first conversation unread. :P
Title: Re: Default PM layout
Post by: Antechinus on March 25, 2013, 03:40:16 PM
Gotta say that conversaton mode totally effin rocks, and in fact I'd go so far as to say it's the only feature in 2.0.x that I think is a big advantage over 1.1.x. The rest I can take or leave, but I love conversation mode for PM's.
Title: Re: Default PM layout
Post by: Daktyl198 on March 25, 2013, 06:11:28 PM
If you don't make conversation mode default in 2.1, could you at least add an option to choose the default PM layout for the entire forum? I know for a fact that 95% of my users would rather use the conversation layout, but they don't snoop around and so don't know how to change it (or for some, that it even exists).
Title: Re: Default PM layout
Post by: live627 on March 25, 2013, 08:21:25 PM
Dude, check PM settings. Not hard to see the tab unless you're blind!
Title: Re: Default PM layout
Post by: Arantor on March 25, 2013, 08:26:39 PM
You know as well as I do that people don't normally go looking for settings, and there's no global way to change it for everyone.
Title: Re: Default PM layout
Post by: Daktyl198 on March 25, 2013, 08:43:34 PM
it really isn't hard (just about 3 steps) but like I said, some people don't even know that it exists
Title: Re: Default PM layout
Post by: Arantor on March 25, 2013, 08:48:41 PM
You could always *tell them* about it.
Title: Re: Default PM layout
Post by: Daktyl198 on March 25, 2013, 08:51:47 PM
I made a thread with instructions, but you know how people are -.-'
Title: Re: Default PM layout
Post by: Arantor on March 25, 2013, 08:52:22 PM
Then it's their loss ;)
Title: Re: Default PM layout
Post by: Irisado on March 27, 2013, 05:39:13 PM
Quote from: Daktyl198 on March 25, 2013, 06:11:28 PM
If you don't make conversation mode default in 2.1, could you at least add an option to choose the default PM layout for the entire forum? I know for a fact that 95% of my users would rather use the conversation layout, but they don't snoop around and so don't know how to change it (or for some, that it even exists).

Just out of interest did you run a poll which every user of your forum answered this question to confirm the figure of 95%  ;)?

I agree entirely that people don't help themselves by not reading the instructions about how to do things.  I've been guilty of that myself, but that's one of the reasons I come here, to try to increase my understanding of how the software works.
Title: Re: Default PM layout
Post by: Arantor on March 27, 2013, 05:43:43 PM
Only have to have 20 users to be able to get 5% increments ;D
Title: Re: Default PM layout
Post by: Irisado on March 27, 2013, 06:04:59 PM
Quote from: Arantor on March 27, 2013, 05:43:43 PM
Only have to have 20 users to be able to get 5% increments ;D

That's a good point  :D.