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Customizing SMF => Bridges and Integrations => Topic started by: Fabis94 on July 30, 2013, 03:39:43 PM

Title: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: Fabis94 on July 30, 2013, 03:39:43 PM
The thing is that none of the SMF/Wordpress bridges work for any of the new updates and from looking at topics made this year about this issue, the most common answer is just "Derp you can use SMF for everything, you don't need Wordpress" and I still haven't seen an answered topic about this issue.

No, I do need Wordpress. Wordpress has the skins I need, it has the plugins I need and works the way I need it to work - SMF doesn't.

So how can I integrate an SMF forum into Wordpress without too much work (using the latest versions for both Wordpress and SMF) so the user database is primarily stored in SMF and users can log in to Wordpress with their SMF credentials. I've checked pretty much any existing SMF to Wordpress plugin and they're all outdated. And please don't waste your time posting how " I don't need Wordpress anyway".
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: Kindred on July 31, 2013, 07:40:16 AM
So how can I integrate an SMF forum into Wordpress without too much work

Well, that would be the difficult thing, then....

and, FYI: I don't think that you actually need WordPress. :P

But seriously... what can you do in WordPress that you can't do in SMF these days?
You say you "need" the skins an the plugins.
SMF themes could be made to duplicate anything in WordPress... and I have yet to find a WordPress plugin that has not been done (or could not be done) in SMF.

So... I know you don't want to hear it.....   but why mess around with WordPress (which has a TERRIBLE user control system)?
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: croboy on August 21, 2013, 05:39:13 AM
So how can I integrate an SMF forum into Wordpress without too much work

Well, that would be the difficult thing, then....

and, FYI: I don't think that you actually need WordPress. :P

But seriously... what can you do in WordPress that you can't do in SMF these days?
You say you "need" the skins an the plugins.
SMF themes could be made to duplicate anything in WordPress... and I have yet to find a WordPress plugin that has not been done (or could not be done) in SMF.

So... I know you don't want to hear it.....   but why mess around with WordPress (which has a TERRIBLE user control system)?

Sorry but your answer make no sense. Wordpress is great CMS and most used tool for blogs and web sites. It enables regular Joe to make great site with great features.
It is sad that you think different and don't think WP-SMF bridge is needed. SMF is forum tool and it will probably never will be CMS tool for web sites.
Your anwser is on level when someone says Drupal is better then Wordpress or Joomla.
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: Arantor on August 21, 2013, 06:11:20 AM
WordPress is not a great CMS, it is incredibly badly written and massively inefficient.

Seriously, SMF plus a portal will give you almost everything WP has, faster, more efficient (more users on the same server)...

A bridge is only needed if you think you have to keep the two systems together, when you can instead have a single system, that all has the same look and feel...
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: Kindred on August 21, 2013, 07:04:23 AM
Let's be clear..... I do use WordPress myself on 3 sites.

WordPress is NOT a great CMS.
I'll disagree with Arantor a bit.... WordPress is a decent enough Blog Software which has been expanded upon to do some site management....  but do not be confused. WordPress is no more of a CMS than SMF. Nearly anything you can do with WordPress can be done with SMF at this point.

Oh, and on your final comment... Drupal (as much as I dislike it personally) does have its strong points and is a better CMS than WordPress (considering that is what Drupal was designed to be...). I do prefer Joomla to Drupal myself...

What softare you use really depends on what the main focus of the site is going to be.
If you intend to blog with a little site management... then WordPress will work just fine.
If you intend to be a site system (articles, etc) with some other tack-ons, the Joomla (or Drupal) would be the way to go.
If you intend to be a forum community with a little site management... then SMF with one of the portal mods is your best choice

So - Figure out what the focus of your site is going to be and work "backward" from there.
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: Arantor on August 21, 2013, 07:25:09 AM
No, it really isn't decent. A fresh installation should not require 20 database queries to display the front page.
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: Kindred on August 21, 2013, 09:07:39 AM
you are correct about that.... but for a small, personal site, wordpress works acceptably well. :P

It even works well for a small org site like my dog association which gets only about less than 1000 hits per day.
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: Jim R on September 14, 2013, 10:48:29 PM
Or...there could be a bridge that allows WP users to use SMF with at least a single sign in option. 

I'm sure SMF has evolved over the last four years, and it was my first choice when I started my site.  However, when I went to a pay site with the intent of creating content, bringing in writers, etc, it became cumbersome.  Maybe I chose the wrong CMS in the mind of some, but lots of coding pros at Cha Cha, Yahoo, and Google said WordPress was the way to go.  I listened to them, even though I know we all have a great deal of pride in our own doings

The move to a CMS was mostly about tagging and categories, which SMF didn't have at the time, and newly formed CMS option was not nearly as robust or visually pleasing.  If it was, that wasn't presented very well at the time.  Perhaps this is where SMF has evolved.

I'd like to have a forum that gives me more control.  I started putting together my own set of pages, using my own create design templates, integrating SMF into those pages via SSI.  It's how I cut my teeth on PHP.  However, any time I wanted to add something new or change something, it was an ordeal.  Within WordPress, it's the click of my trackpad. 

And yes, the most correct answer is I'm still very much a PHP and CSS novice.  Hence my problem, I assume the smart guys around here could easily put together a bridge, and I know I'm not smart enough to do it.  Last time I approached this subject, it was said it was a licensing issue. 

I would be interested in seeing some sites created with SMF and portals, and I've yet to see anything (even though it's not my content site) that can duplicate this in SMF:

http://spieceindyheat.com/2015/

 :)

Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: Kindred on September 15, 2013, 12:15:18 AM
Well, since nothing on that site is even similar to a forum...   It's basically adjust static pages, which any portal mod can do.

Seriously...  See my post above...   Determine what the point of your site is and focus on the software that does that best.

Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: Jim R on September 15, 2013, 12:55:44 AM
I noticed there are seven portal mods linked to SMF.  None of them remotely provide the aesthetics I want.  I even went through Simple Portal's forum and looked at their showcase posts.  Just not very attractive.

In answering the questions you posed about what type of site I want, I want a heavy writer content driven site with a good forum.  So both.  I already answered the Drupal, Joomla, WordPress question.  It's WordPress.  You'd think two free systems that have strong user bases could get together with a bridge. 
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: Kindred on September 15, 2013, 01:40:46 AM
I could make my SMF site do anything that my Wordpress site does or displays...
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: Jim R on September 15, 2013, 09:24:08 AM
I'm sure you can, but you're likely far more advance in the PHP/CSS department than most who are looking for solutions.  I doubt very much you could produce what I linked without hard coding something, maybe a lot.  I have two sites which are solely for my needs, where I do some hard coding to fit information in from my own data tables, but outside of messing around with CSS for padding/margins and color, my WordPress experience has been plug and play, successfully.

For my site, I'd like to have a good CMS and a more robust forum, and that may mean I finally buckle up and pay for something like IP Board, which will provide a single sign in and continued support should WP how it handles User logins.  However, they're in it for the money.  Their content system is much, much closer to fit my needs, but even in paying for it it doesn't come close to the functionality I can get in WordPress.

The WordPress people would say to use bbPress, that it does all one needs for a forum.  It doesn't.  Just as I can say SMF and phpBB don't have content systems as robust as WordPress, as I have found that not to be the case.  Not as easily formed, that's for sure.  If I'm wrong, show me an example.  I'd gladly consider that as an option, even pay a little for the system.  It doesn't do me any good that you can get SMF do anything your WordPress site can do.  I need it to do what my WordPress site does and as easily.

I'm serious about providing examples if you know of any, but it brings me back to the original issue.  It would seem for people who have the coding side down and believe in free and open solutions, there could be a bridge created between SMF and WordPress.  I bet people would pay a little for it. 

Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: Suki on September 15, 2013, 09:59:41 AM
I'm not interested on this debate nor I'm interested on forcing you to use something neither. Just want to answer your question.

With that said, there are bridges, both here and in WP plugin site, have you tried those?

What exactly are you trying to achieve with a bridge?  user authentication? blog post and forum post interconnected?
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: Jim R on September 15, 2013, 10:20:11 AM
Agreed, I'm not really into the debate side of it short of providing context that we can preach the virtues of the systems we like, yet they still may not be enough to provide what we want.  I'm getting what I need and more so from WordPress.  I'd like to add a robust forum.


I've tried bridges on both sides, none have worked as WP and SMF have upgraded.  I'd like SMF to look over at the WordPress Users data table, see that someone is logged in, and recognize their User Role.  I'd still like the User to register on the WP side.

I don't really need cross posting from one venue to another, such as I don't need Comments on WP to show up as Posts on SMF, nor do I need Posts on WP to show up as Posts on SMF.  I've never used Comments on WP because it doesn't allow for easily reviewable discussions. 
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: Suki on September 15, 2013, 11:11:30 AM
The one I can recommend (I haven't actually used but I can attest for its code quality) is this one: http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=3008

I know it can work with any SMF 2.0.x version (using version emulate How can I install a mod that doesn't work in my SMF version? (http://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/How_can_install_a_mod_that_doesn%27t_work_in_my_SMF_version)) and it says it can work with WP 3.0 or greater, now, I don't know whats your WP version but if there was no major changes on how WP stores the users data then this mod can still be used.
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: Jim R on September 15, 2013, 02:04:53 PM
I think that was the one that caused all of my passwords not to work, or at the very least mine (admin).  I rehashed the data table, but it was after I deleted the connection with the plugin.  Probably a panic move.
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: Suki on September 15, 2013, 02:18:19 PM
All your passwords where?  on WP or SMF?  how do you rehashed the data?

For integrations it is always best to work on a dummy forum/site with a copy of your database on localhost.
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: Marcelo Mika on October 02, 2013, 04:43:48 PM
Hello Friend.

Conflict or lost passwords:

When smf admin and wp admin have the same username.

If smf recover password in wp be changed.

If recover password in wp, in smf there will NOT change password, it generates error log. The confusion thinking that there goes your password

The best way?

1. Allow wordpress and / or smf user registry

2. Restrict password recovery in wordpress


1.

In my page I decided to handle the registration for wordpress only

In the folder where it was installed smf create a. Htaccess

edited. htaccess and copy

Code: [Select]
#RewriteEngine On

RewriteCond %{QUERY_STRING} ^action=register$
RewriteRule ^index\.php$ http://compuzone-shop.com.ar/wp-signup.php [R=301,L]

When a visitor clicks on register in smf, will be redirected to the wordpress registration page.

because I chose wordpress to manage user registration?

The page / registration form is easy to customiszar, smf no.

Wordpress has separate Header and Footers.
SMF requires a lot of customization to change the appearance of a single page.



2.

Denying manage password change wordpress


Edit .htaccess is inside the Wordpress installation folder.

Just below

RewriteEngine On
RewriteBase /

add

Code: [Select]
RewriteCond %{QUERY_STRING} ^action=lostpassword [NC]
RewriteRule ^wp-login\.php$ /foro/index.php?action=reminder [R=301,L]

/ FORO / = is the folder where you installed SMF Forum
Change the name of the folder for your installation (eg, forum or smf or the name you chose when you installed smf )

This works with Wordpress in root directory and sub ​​directory in Smf forum

Example
My Site:

Wordpress; www.compuzone-shop.com.ar (http://www.compuzone-shop.com.ar)
Forum on; www.compuzone-shop.com.ar/foro (http://www.compuzone-shop.com.ar/foro)


(My English is not good, sorry for the translation.)
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: twanny on December 01, 2013, 01:51:22 PM
The thing is that none of the SMF/Wordpress bridges work for any of the new updates and from looking at topics made this year about this issue, the most common answer is just "Derp you can use SMF for everything, you don't need Wordpress" and I still haven't seen an answered topic about this issue.

No, I do need Wordpress. Wordpress has the skins I need, it has the plugins I need and works the way I need it to work - SMF doesn't.

So how can I integrate an SMF forum into Wordpress without too much work (using the latest versions for both Wordpress and SMF) so the user database is primarily stored in SMF and users can log in to Wordpress with their SMF credentials. I've checked pretty much any existing SMF to Wordpress plugin and they're all outdated. And please don't waste your time posting how " I don't need Wordpress anyway".

Hi Fabis94,

I really do feel your 'pain' regarding this issue. So to cut a long story short, I use a WORDPRESS plugin which does exactly what you want (I think). The new user register on SMF and the details then populate the WP user list. Simple.  Users can sign in either through the WP login screen or SMF. Also they can log off using either systems. It works for me, so I am happy :) . Oh sorry almost forgot to mention the plugins name  ;) github.com/jwall149/smf2wp . Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: keyrocks on March 09, 2014, 02:46:58 PM
I use a WORDPRESS plugin which does exactly what you want (I think). The new user register on SMF and the details then populate the WP user list. Simple.  Users can sign in either through the WP login screen or SMF. Also they can log off using either systems. It works for me, so I am happy :) . Oh sorry almost forgot to mention the plugins name  ;) github.com/jwall149/smf2wp . Hope this helps.

SMF2WP (http://wordpress.org/plugins/smf2wp/) worked for me just fine (in December 2012) with an offline (localhost) test project (installation) of WP version 3.5 (in the server root) and SMF version 2.0.3 in a "community" sub-directory (in the server root). I didn't install the project on a host server (online) but it did (and still does) integrate the WP and SMF login & logout functions successfully.
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: diinxcom on January 07, 2015, 01:13:25 PM
I trying to integrated my WordPress site with SMF, and its realy make me confused. Can some tell me the step to do?
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: Kindred on January 07, 2015, 01:34:57 PM
did you read the posts above?

Our suggestion is -- DON'T...
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: Metal_13 on January 10, 2015, 01:20:17 AM
Have you tried this? http://www.jfusion.org/
SMF >> Joomla >> Wordpress

Im using this on my site and it works fine.
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: Kindred on January 10, 2015, 08:21:27 AM
egads.. nothing like building a skyscraper when all you needed was a house
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: MrMike on January 22, 2015, 06:39:30 PM
egads.. nothing like building a skyscraper when all you needed was a house

Lol, true.

I think what may be attracting people to the idea of SMF+Wordpress are the plugins available for Wordpress, of which there seem to be about a billion.

But as others have commented, SMF with the right plugins can give you quite a bit of what Wordpress does. Not everything, but a lot. There are some very nice job boards that use Wordpress, for example, but nothing comparable in SMF (yet).  (You could probably use that custom form mod (http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=1279) to create a workable one, though.)

But Wordpress has a lot of drawbacks, notably the insecurity of the platform (better now, but still...) and some many of the plugins. You hear a lot more about wordpress sites getting hacked and hammered than you ever do about SMF. Yes, there are a lot more wordpress sites than SMF sites, but SMF is pretty well locked-down which is certainly part of it.

Without a compelling reason to use Wordpress I don't usually see it as the way to go.
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: Spr1te on January 26, 2015, 08:03:24 PM
Out of interest Kindred what WP sites are you running?
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: Kindred on January 26, 2015, 09:56:08 PM
turtleshellprod.com
chelmsforddogassociation.org
chelmsfordfoodfan.com
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: MrMike on January 27, 2015, 04:17:04 PM
I like the look of turtleshellprod.com, that's a great theme the way you have it modified.

Wordpress does have a lot of themes, including some pretty slick ones. And gobs of plugins as well, I can see why a lot of people think it's a good basic platform or framework to use.


turtleshellprod.com
chelmsforddogassociation.org
chelmsfordfoodfan.com
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: Arantor on January 27, 2015, 04:42:15 PM
On the flip side you can do - with care - things like crossingoverland.com: getting a WP theme and limited blog running on SMF ;D
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: MrMike on January 27, 2015, 05:37:15 PM
That's pretty cool....I see it's SMF, are they actually using a WP theme in SMF somehow?


On the flip side you can do - with care - things like crossingoverland.com: getting a WP theme and limited blog running on SMF ;D
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: Arantor on January 27, 2015, 05:54:01 PM
That one was done by me. I converted a WP theme to run on SMF, since the original intent was to be a travel blog + forum (and I wanted a forum I knew would scale, and guarantee not to fall over when I wouldn't be near a proper environment to fix it if anything went wrong), but since I know SMF well enough, building a blog including tagging and the ability to geo-tag posts is hardly a challenge ;)

The travel blog where you see 'Pete' posting... that's also me. Including the true story of how come I left a pair of shoes tied to a tree in California.
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: MrMike on January 27, 2015, 06:12:00 PM
That one was done by me. I converted a WP theme to run on SMF

It's very nicely done and looks great. It looks spot-on like a WP blog.

How much work did it take to convert the theme?
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: Arantor on January 27, 2015, 06:16:41 PM
I don't know how much effort was spent, I don't really remember. I know I spent a long time futzing around with the background image to get it to behave (something the original theme had trouble with too), but the entire site was set up in the 2 weeks before we set out on the road, that much I do remember, especially with Louis coming to me 2 days before we set off with 'I think it'd be cool if we did geotagging of our posts.' And me not having used Google Maps' API or any geotagging stuff before.
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: Jeroi on September 27, 2015, 08:21:37 AM
Seriousli, I need smf users to wordpress migrater. I have 10 Wordpress sites and I would want smf migrate to wordpress. Since wordpress offers great paltform to build webpage rather than blog I use it extensively. Forums are not that needed for every usage. But some times it would be nice to include smf also to worpress without hassle. Why you do not support this? I don't see the reason of "just don't use it" or "smf has anything that wordpress has" valid reason not to include wordpress support in the platform.
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: MrMike on September 27, 2015, 08:52:01 AM
Why you do not support this?

For the same reason that Ford doesn't support a "Ford to Chevrolet" converter.
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: Jeroi on September 27, 2015, 09:06:24 AM
Why you do not support this?

For the same reason that Ford doesn't support a "Ford to Chevrolet" converter.

Not quite valid argument, metal work is not same than software. Also in software business support for another paltform makes the product greater than those that have own platform opinion only. As an professional business runner it seems that smf product support is terrible and makes me think of moving to another forum software. It seams wordpress have better support for another forums altho at my opensource time younger I used smf integraded to own custom template. But these days CMS is 2hours work to get business site. Not a piece of code needed other than couple lines of css.
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: MrMike on September 27, 2015, 09:27:35 AM
Not quite valid argument, metal work is not same than software. Also in software business support for another paltform makes the product greater than those that have own platform opinion only. As an professional business runner

No offense, but your post gave me brain cancer.

Let me spell it out for you: Why would SMF take the time to write something that would help their users move away from SMF?
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: Jeroi on September 27, 2015, 09:53:33 AM
Not quite valid argument, metal work is not same than software. Also in software business support for another paltform makes the product greater than those that have own platform opinion only. As an professional business runner

No offense, but your post gave me brain cancer.

Let me spell it out for you: Why would SMF take the time to write something that would help their users move away from SMF?

Well again you don't see the overal reason. When SMF would support seemlesly wordpress itwould make SMF a great platform to work with Wordpress and bring more users to use SMF. It would be a powerfull new feature that would bring a lot new forum users that use millions and millions wordpress sites already and the number increases daily a lot. Atm one bbPress forum plugin is out there but it's terrible and tbh I like these more matured forum softwares. But somehow forum software have staid in same hole like 10 years already. Others are growing and it seems SMF is not taking software industry seriously.
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: Kindred on September 27, 2015, 10:17:15 AM
we do take the "industry" seriously.
However, resources on the actual team are limited --   and we are working toward a new release of SMF.

Quite honestly, a bridge to WordPress is VERY FAR DOWN on our priority list (practically at the bottom in my opinion)
Additionally, the sync of systems is not the simple task that some people see to think....

Finally, because I believe there is one - created by someone else - which actually works.
Title: Re: Wordpress/SMF Bridge and yes, I've already used the search function
Post by: margarett on September 29, 2015, 08:09:51 AM
Finally, because I believe there is one - created by someone else - which actually works.
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=533208.0
;)