hi all
trying the new smf 2.06 install, the default Curve theme, with no mods installed,
I edited the default welcome message for General, Now I am got 2 weird errors in my Cpanel....
[todays date] [error] [client xx.xx.xx.xxx] File does not exist: /home/user/public_html/smf/' + smf_images_url + ', referer: http://website.com/smf/index.php?action=post;board=1.0
[todays date] [error] [client xx.xx.xx.xxx] File does not exist: /home/user/public_html/smf/' + smf_images_url + ', referer: http://website.com/smf/index.php?action=post;msg=1;topic=1.0
there is no errors in the smf error logs just Cpanels logs
any ideas ?
(https://www.simplemachines.org/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.katzy.dsl.pipex.com%2FSMF%2Fwelcome.gif&hash=64d0bdab41bf056c5af638442124afd2cc58a5fb)
When you edited that file, you left a stray apostrophe (') at the end of a URL...
If you can't find it, attach the file that you edited and we'll take a look. :)
Quote from: K@ on December 08, 2013, 04:40:51 PM
(https://www.simplemachines.org/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.katzy.dsl.pipex.com%2FSMF%2Fwelcome.gif&hash=64d0bdab41bf056c5af638442124afd2cc58a5fb)
When you edited that file, you left a stray apostrophe (') at the end of a URL...
If you can't find it, attach the file that you edited and we'll take a look. :)
thanks for the reply,
actually the error message was cut/pasted as seen just edited the obvious info like ip address etc.
I narrowed the cause of the error down to an issue with the default "collapsible categories".
in admin-Manage Boards and Categories- when you modify the Category
if i un-check it, i do not get the errors, but when its checked any posts/replies trigger the same errors
a temporary fix would be to un-check the option, however it would be nice to use the option without errors.
I may well be what I said, though. Without knowing what file(s) you edited, we can only make wild guesses, really.
Quote from: K@ on December 08, 2013, 05:02:38 PM
I may well be what I said, though. Without knowing what file(s) you edited, we can only make wild guesses, really.
I did not edit any files yet. Sorry maybe it was the way I added the error messages here that seems confusing,
but when i tried to use quote i got told by smf forum i was not allowed to post links,
so I had to use the code option here to post them.
Okay, you lost me... You did say this, right?
QuoteI edited the default welcome message for General
How did you edit that, and where?
Quote from: BurkeKnight on December 08, 2013, 05:15:38 PM
Okay, you lost me... You did say this, right?
QuoteI edited the default welcome message for General
How did you edit that, and where?
the default welcome message when you first install smf. that shows in the General category as
"welcome to SMF" that confirms your install. and was edited just using the modify button while i was signed in as admin.
That is the welcome post... Okay...
When you edited it, what exactly did you do?
Have you tried to delete the topic, and just start a new one with what you changed that one to?
Quote from: BurkeKnight on December 08, 2013, 05:31:49 PM
Have you tried to delete the topic, and just start a new one with what you changed that one to?
yes, i deleted the topic, and created a new welcome message,
and when i checked my Cpanel for errors it showed the same type of error message about the
QuoteFile does not exist: /home/user/public_html/smf/' + smf_images_url + '
' + smf_images_url + '
That is what I don't get. That is the exact error?
I have never seen that anywhere before.
There are plenty of places that can legitimately be used to fetch images from JavaScript, what I don't get is why it isn't being substituted correctly.
I'm still at a loss here.
If no mods installed, then should not have issues with the default theme's collapse function.
Hmm... What web host are you using?
Quote from: BurkeKnight on December 08, 2013, 05:41:32 PM
' + smf_images_url + '
That is what I don't get. That is the exact error?
I have never seen that anywhere before.
yes thats what cpanel says does not exist.
exact was like "File does not exist: /home/user/public_html/smf/' + smf_images_url + ', referer: http://website.com/smf/index.php?action=post;board=1.0"
and as people post/reply you'd get same message just with the "index.php?action=post;board=1.0" changing to reflect the post number.
I tried to search the error on google but not much luck there. but this same error apparently was seen from smf versions 1.1 and up, but no ones come up with a solution that i could find. they only suspected its something to do with java in smf. i am not a coder or anything but sounds like something in smf code is broke.
as i mentioned earlier, if you un-check the categories option to collapse them then the error stops,
but when you check it again you get the errors again on new posts or replies.
so I would assume the problem lies in the code used to collapse or expand categories.
Except it works absolutely fine for me, which makes me wonder what's wrong with yours.
A link to your site (now you have more than 1 post) would be helpful.
Quote from: Arantor Beeblebrox the First on December 08, 2013, 05:59:19 PM
Except it works absolutely fine for me, which makes me wonder what's wrong with yours.
A link to your site (now you have more than 1 post) would be helpful.
its 10 posts apparently for links to become active.
but technically yes smf works fine, I can view mine as a guest or a member and not see any trouble.
only when i view my Cpanel error logs do i see it.
http://hp1.the-fuz.com/smf/index.php (http://hp1.the-fuz.com/smf/index.php)
(off topic, how long before this require captcha for posting goes away.. its annoying)
Well, some of the same code is used in the front page, which is why I asked - and *that* works.
No, 'technically SMF is not working fine' because you're seeing errors. But these errors do not occur for me on a fresh installation.
If you can supply me a test account, I'll investigate what's going on with your setup.
Quote from: Arantor Beeblebrox the First on December 08, 2013, 06:11:41 PM
Well, some of the same code is used in the front page, which is why I asked - and *that* works.
No, 'technically SMF is not working fine' because you're seeing errors. But these errors do not occur for me on a fresh installation.
If you can supply me a test account, I'll investigate what's going on with your setup.
as mentioned though I only see the errors in my host's cpanel as ive provided at the start of the post.
Ok because i dont know what type of access your referring to, but im unsure about allowing cpanel access for you (no offense, security reasons)
and not sure how beneficial just admin access for smf would be to check files out.
not sure what to do at this point.
Except those errors would be visible in the browser when using those functions too. Your error shows that the browser is making a strange request while on index.php?action=post;board=1.0 - a regular account would be able to see that.
Just create a regular account, make boards collapsible and I'll do the rest of the investigation from there.
Quote from: Arantor Beeblebrox the First on December 08, 2013, 06:29:35 PM
Just create a regular account, make boards collapsible and I'll do the rest of the investigation from there.
ok i made one for you, sent detail in a pm?
I'm confused. I'm using Chrome's Inspector with that test account to observe all the requests made by the browser to the server and none of them are invalid. None of them contain smf_images_url in the URL itself, they're all as they should be.
Since I've been poking around, have there been any new errors in the log, especially from an IP address beginning with 92.7 ?
Quote from: Arantor Beeblebrox the First on December 08, 2013, 06:59:42 PM
I'm confused. I'm using Chrome's Inspector with that test account to observe all the requests made by the browser to the server and none of them are invalid. None of them contain smf_images_url in the URL itself, they're all as they should be.
Since I've been poking around, have there been any new errors in the log, especially from an IP address beginning with 92.7 ?
nope, only error was when i reset the category view to collapsible when you mentioned to do it. after making the test account.
the errors happen when a post is made or a reply to one.
And what is the referrer listed as, exactly?
The referrer should be the page that causes the error (by causing it to try to load an image that is invalid)
See, if you're getting an error from while in the admin panel, you shouldn't have a referrer of index.php?action=post;board=1.0
Quote from: Arantor Beeblebrox the First on December 08, 2013, 07:08:07 PM
And what is the referrer listed as, exactly?
the exact message was :
QuoteFile does not exist: /home/user/public_html/hp1/smf/' + smf_images_url + ', referer: http://hp1.the-fuz.com/smf/index.php?action=post;board=1.0
QuoteThe referrer should be the page that causes the error (by causing it to try to load an image that is invalid)
Correct , and in this case its the index.php making a call for
Quote+ smf_images_url +
which is an invalid file name or folder name so it returns the not found error in cpanel (like a silent 404 error message).
except it's not actually an invalid filename when it is working... because that code is normally used in the javascript and should be replaced with the ACTUAL images directory...
That's the point, though, it IS invalid when it is being sent to the server as part of a URL. Something is making the request without doing the substitution, but I can't replicate it with a browser and nothing appears to be set up incorrectly.
right.... we're saying the same thing. :)
Yup - though in this case I tried to replicate it with my browser observing all the requests and I don't see an invalid one being generated, not even by the JS :/
Quote from: Arantor Beeblebrox the First on December 08, 2013, 08:17:01 PM
Yup - though in this case I tried to replicate it with my browser observing all the requests and I don't see an invalid one being generated, not even by the JS :/
Like ive mentioned though, it is only generated if you post or reply to a post, and if the collapse category is enabled. when your just viewing it it works normal no errors at all.
this is why i suggested or assumed it had something to do with the code smf uses for collapsing categories.
like its not set properly, i just presumed that because when you turn off the collapse
feature there is no more errors when posting or replying, only if you turn it on..
edit- FYI.. i turned on posting for guests for now so others can see that post page source. Also, the referred page IS the Post page (when you click new topic or reply) when i view source it even says
Quotesmf/index.php?action=post;board=1.0
there is a line of code in there that has
Quote<img src="' + smf_images_url + '/english/new.gif"
i dont know if thats anything to look at or not.. im not a code guru, but id presume the img_scr= should point to a valid image folder shouldn't it ? just taking stabs at it here to.
That s what we are saying... In the CODE, that line is acceptable, because it gets replaced with the VALUE of the actual path to the images directory when the code is being run.
The fact that you are seeing the error that you are seeing indicates that, at some point, the variable is not being resolved correctly.
That code is stock SMF, and it works absolutely normally for me - I just created a post and I don't see any errors occurring in my browser.
Quote from: Kindred on December 08, 2013, 08:54:37 PM
The fact that you are seeing the error that you are seeing indicates that, at some point, the variable is not being resolved correctly.
Ok, i tried a few things, like removing all categories, starting with a new fresh one , but getting same errors anyway.
aside from reinstalling smf, anything i can try on my end ?
Quote from: Arantor Beeblebrox the First on December 08, 2013, 09:03:00 PM
That code is stock SMF, and it works absolutely normally for me - I just created a post and I don't see any errors occurring in my browser.
The post you made did not generate an error in my cpanel, which is odd because i replied to it and it did then i saw 1 error, showing my IP.(for the reply) but if i post and reply to myself i get 2 errors.
ok further research, i looked at my "latest visitors" and the urls that showed
i have like 6, 404 error status messages for
Quote/smf/%27%20+%20smf_images_url%20+%20%27/english/new.gif
which kind of verifies the error i am getting about the
Quote+ smf_images_url +
maybe that will help figure this out..
So I did a search on that code. It occurs precisely once in SMF, in the Post.template.php file (which fits in with everything else, as it occurs on index.php?action=post which loads that page)
The fragment of code in question is an echo statement, which outputs some JavaScript:
<img src="\' + smf_images_url + \'/', $context['user']['language'], '/new.gif" alt="', $txt['preview_new'], '" id="image_new_\' + newPosts[i].getAttribute("id") + \'" />
The user language would have been output into the raw JS, as it should (giving you the english/ part of the URL)
So, what browser are you using and what modifications does it have?
Quote from: Arantor Beeblebrox the First on December 08, 2013, 10:24:55 PM
So, what browser are you using and what modifications does it have?
i use firefox 3.6.22 but i cant see it being my browser when its generated in the Cpanel on my server.
i found a similar situation referencing the same message, and they were suspecting the language file.
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=372538.0;nowap (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=372538.0;nowap)
its an old post but ironically you posted there to about same thing.
Quotebut i cant see it being my browser when its generated in the Cpanel on my server.
No, it's not generated in the cPanel. The cPanel error log is telling you about a request made by a browser that wasn't valid.
You're also using a very, very, very old browser (Firefox is currently on version 25), but I'm still willing to bet it's a browser add-on you have that is trying to 'optimise' the browsing experience by scanning the current page looking for URLs to grab in the background.
This would explain why I wasn't getting any errors when on the same page because my browser isn't trying to optimise requests in the background.
i even updated java and flash, also disabled all my firefox plugins, but did not make any difference.
i still got same error message.
i know my firefox is old but its the only version i "normally" don't have issues with.
ive tried newer versions and either had plugin issues or issues with settings not staying set.
3.6.22 is only one that normally behaves for me.
Even if you stay on the 3.6 series, there are still 6 releases after 3.6.22 which are all bug fixes and may be security related.
I will ask you a third time: do you have any add-ons installed? The fact you mention having add-on trouble suggests that you do.
Quote from: Arantor Beeblebrox the First on December 09, 2013, 12:12:29 AM
Even if you stay on the 3.6 series, there are still 6 releases after 3.6.22 which are all bug fixes and may be security related.
I will ask you a third time: do you have any add-ons installed? The fact you mention having add-on trouble suggests that you do.
As i said before, they have all been disabled. and only time i used to have add-on troubles was with any newer versions of firefox, not my 3.6.22 which is why i stayed with it this long, did not have problems until now with this version of smf.
It could be due to the web host doing server updates that your out-of-date browser is having issues with.
Surely, there's a simple way of checking that...
If you use another (Up to date) browser, do you get the same error?
If not, we know where the problem lies...
Quote from: K@ on December 09, 2013, 08:14:42 AM
Surely, there's a simple way of checking that...
If you use another (Up to date) browser, do you get the same error?
If not, we know where the problem lies...
ok, just so you know,
i have the same browser for like 2 years, ive played with smf many times in that 2 years.
this is first time i had this issue. so if it was my browser why did i not have this issue before ?
its the same browser i had for 2 years. i even had smf 2.5 loaded with plugins before and did not have any problems. so id have to disagree with anyone who says its my firefox version.
if it was id always have this issue and i did not always have the issue.
now on that note, id suspect 1 of the last 2 java updates ive had to do on my pc maybe....
since a few mentioned my error is to do with the javascript not parsing properly.
If i knew how to , i would just hardcode the ' + smf_images_url + 'for the file it keeps complaining about. and be done with the java issue. but im not a code guru.
anyone know how i can do that ? i tried a couple ideas for a path, but they only made it worst.
Quote from: BurkeKnight on December 09, 2013, 01:39:35 AM
It could be due to the web host doing server updates that your out-of-date browser is having issues with.
i checked with my host and nothing has changed (since my last working smf install)
im leaning more to a java issue now.
Java has precisely zero to do with JavaScript. Their sum total in common is that they have 4 letters the same in their names, and they follow decades old conventions in the way you write bits of the source code.
But I'm not sure I follow any of your assertions as to when things changed.
However, if I'm honest, I don't see you getting helped. You have repeatedly ignored us asking for further information, ignored standard diagnostic procedures by trying to eliminate the browser as a problem, and you're going off on tangents that we know are irrelevant.
Best of luck to you.
The reason for trying a different browser was simply to eliminate the browser as the problem, no matter what browser it is.
Why would things be OK one minute, yet not the next, even when using the same browser?
Corrupt cache?
Corrupt cookie(s)?
Who knows? I mean, let's be honest, here. It's not like you're faced with the hassle of installing one, coz you have IE, whether you like it, or not, assuming you're using some flavour of Windoze. So, it's not like you have to do anything awful, is it?
Quote from: K@ on December 09, 2013, 02:06:58 PM
The reason for trying a different browser was simply to eliminate the browser as the problem, no matter what browser it is.
I understand that, and i did try chrome and IE-8 and yes they seemed ok.
sorry i didnt mention that, but i was stuck on trying to see why firefox which used to be ok,
all of a sudden for no apparent reason started having issues with smf.
QuoteWhy would things be OK one minute, yet not the next, even when using the same browser?
Corrupt cache?
Corrupt cookie(s)?
I understand that to, and i completely removed it and all traces of it, then reinstalled it 3 times but got same problems with smf anyway. which led me to think it was not firefox but something it uses such as java.
QuoteWho knows? I mean, let's be honest, here. It's not like you're faced with the hassle of installing one, coz you have IE, whether you like it, or not, assuming you're using some flavour of Windoze. So, it's not like you have to do anything awful, is it?
I do not understand what your trying to say there.
it almost looks like you assume all i know how to do is turn my pc on and use its presets.
if im wrong i apologize. but i do my own pc work from time to time,
and normally I do not have issues like this.
although i'm not a pc tech and i am no code guru, but i do my own pc work
so i do have some knowledge of how to do things.
I just do not have the patience to screw with something for a week or 2 to try to resolve issues.
So if you're not getting issues with IE or Chrome, that pretty much spells out that it's an issue with your unsupported version of Firefox and/or the add-ons you didn't tell us about, doesn't it?
(And I wonder why I'm fed up with trying to help you.)
Quote from: fuz2013 on December 09, 2013, 02:56:40 PMI just do not have the patience to screw with something for a week or 2 to try to resolve issues.
There's my point, in a nutshell. A few seconds, is all it'd take. You try the same thing, using IE. You get the same error? It's a problem with SMF. You don't get the error? It's a problem with your browser.
Either way, we'll know, then, exactly where to look, to see if we can figure this one out.
Quote from: Arantor Beeblebrox the First on December 09, 2013, 03:01:27 PM
So if you're not getting issues with IE or Chrome, that pretty much spells out that it's an issue with your unsupported version of Firefox and/or the add-ons you didn't tell us about, doesn't it?
if thats the case, why didnt i have issues 3 or 4 months ago, same browser, same plugins.?
even a reinstall of firefox did NOT resolve it.
and for the record, it WAS the java deployment toolkit that i had issues with before in firefox.
whether or not that would cause this smf issue i have no clue.
i just know firefox 3.6 kept disabling it on me.
Quote(And I wonder why I'm fed up with trying to help you.)
attempt was appreciated BUT no one said you had to.. you could have just kept going past my post and avoid sharing such criticizing opinions.
Quote from: fuz2013 on December 09, 2013, 03:18:41 PM
if thats the case, why didnt i have issues 3 or 4 months ago, same browser, same plugins.?
even a reinstall of firefox did NOT resolve it.
The thing is, that isn't the sort of logic that fixes problems. If you're so sure that it isn't an issue with your browser then maybe you can explain why there is no issue when you use other browsers? See my point? The obvious solutions have to be properly eliminated first - nobody wants to spend hours going through code looking for complex solutions just for you to come back and say "Oh yeah, it works when I disable this old plugin" ;)
Quoteattempt was appreciated BUT no one said you had to.. you could have just kept going past my post and avoid sharing such criticizing opinions.
Maybe you're too new here to realise that Arantor is one of the best people you could possibly have helping you on this. He knows his stuff and even wrote huge chunks of SMF as we know it. If he gives up helping you, well, good luck finding somebody else who's half as competent and willing to spend their time struggling through the smokescreens you're putting up.
obviously this post is going no where fast.
mods can delete this post. i am done with it.
ill either try to resolve it myself or not use smf at all.
Well, that's up to you, of course.
But, in all honesty, I was only trying to help. :)
Quote from: K@ on December 09, 2013, 03:48:08 PM
Well, that's up to you, of course.
But, in all honesty, I was only trying to help. :)
I know, i appreciate it to.
thanks
i did notice other issues with the firefox 3.6, but did not think it was relevant at the time.
google's layout was not being displayed properly. something with the inline blocks or something.
either way, i settled on a firefox version 5.0
Its still old i know, but all my plugins still work fine, and i don't have to fuss with it
like the problems i had with a newer version i tried.
so yes, everything works now, so problem is solved.