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Title: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Oldiesmann on November 21, 2014, 12:40:06 AM
Dear users,

Simple Machines is proud to announce the release of our next major milestone for SMF, SMF 2.1! A lot of work has gone into 2.1 over the past 3 years, and with over 5500 commits by numerous developers, we have a whole set of exciting new features and improvements which we hope you will like.

Warning! This is just the first beta! There ARE bugs and incomplete features; it is not recommended that you run this release on a live/production site.

Below is a brief summary of changes from 2.0.  For a more comprehensive account, please check out the monthly updates on the Developers' Blog (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?board=129.0) and the GitHub repository (http://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1), and the Wiki "2.1 Features (http://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/SMF2.1:Features)" page.

As we mentioned, this is just a brief summary. There are more changes that we have not mentioned here, so feel free to give it a test drive, yourself!

Please remember that the minimum requirements of SMF have been increased to PHP 5.3.8+ and MySQL 5.0.3+ or PostgresSQL 8.0+.Servers running a lower version of either will not be able to run SMF 2.1 and we do not intend to support them. If you have a server running an older version, you can either upgrade your server software or stay at an older version of SMF. SMF 2.1 has also dropped support for IE6 and IE7 but will continue to work with IE8+ (although IE10+ is really recommended) and browsers having similar/fuller standards compliance (any modern version of Chrome, Safari, Firefox, Opera etc will be fine).

The general installation and upgrading procedure remains the same, however, once you upgrade from an older version to 2.1 you cannot go back, so please take careful consideration before upgrading any live site.. Have a look at Installing and Upgrading SMF (http://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/Category:Installing_and_Upgrading) in the Online Manual to know more. You cannot upgrade to 2.1 Beta 1 via the package manager; instead you will need to do the "Large Upgrade" process. SMF 2.1 can be obtained from the Download section (http://download.simplemachines.org/).

Please note: Because this is the first beta release, translations and language strings other than English have not been finalized and may not be complete yet.

Finally, as always, this topic is not for support; discussion and support for 2.1 can be found in the new 2.1 support board (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?board=254.0).

Regards,
Simple Machines Forum
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: ARG01 on November 21, 2014, 12:42:15 AM
Good deal.  ;)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: CoreISP on November 21, 2014, 12:43:22 AM
Very well done team! :)
/me is really proud

Thank you to everyone who worked very hard on making this possible!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Burke ♞ Knight on November 21, 2014, 12:43:53 AM

(https://www.simplemachines.org/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbkd.pw%2Fbk_like.png&hash=6f6736885c486353522cc86d1058a9f5)
 
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: vbgamer45 on November 21, 2014, 12:44:06 AM
Congrats checking it out now!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Cmely on November 21, 2014, 02:17:03 AM
Is there a demo somewhere ?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Rumpa on November 21, 2014, 02:53:35 AM
wow great work team.

Many many thanks to you team.
 
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Nilom on November 21, 2014, 03:12:50 AM
Wow! Great job guys, trying it right now!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Mr. Jinx on November 21, 2014, 03:24:36 AM
Is there a demo somewhere ?
Demo site: http://smf21.chelloo.com
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: spiros on November 21, 2014, 03:32:51 AM
Looks good, congrats :)
Looking forward to see a demo site with more data.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: gisfreak on November 21, 2014, 03:51:55 AM
congratulation guys
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Cmely on November 21, 2014, 04:26:22 AM
Is there a demo somewhere ?
Demo site: http://smf21.chelloo.com

Thanks !  :D
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: BeatsMe on November 21, 2014, 04:27:17 AM
Nice work.... Can't wait to upgrade my live forum  ;)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: CRONUS on November 21, 2014, 04:28:02 AM
\o/ A lot of features I've been waiting for :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: margarett on November 21, 2014, 05:08:23 AM
Can't wait to upgrade my live forum  ;)
Careful, this is just the first beta, you should wait some more releases ;)

Nice work, everyone ;)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: BeatsMe on November 21, 2014, 05:12:04 AM
Can't wait to upgrade my live forum  ;)
Careful, this is just the first beta, you should wait some more releases ;)

Nice work, everyone ;)

Sorry... I should have been more clear.... I can't wait for this to be out of Beta stage, so I can install it on my live forum rather than just my test forum LOL
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Looking on November 21, 2014, 05:17:06 AM
Good to see SMF moving forward.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Bigguy on November 21, 2014, 06:16:09 AM
Congrats to the Devs and all who worked on this. It's really great to see it out to the public. I can only see good things with this release.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: JBlaze on November 21, 2014, 07:22:19 AM
Congrats!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: AllanD on November 21, 2014, 07:53:29 AM
Congrats to the team.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: charlottezweb on November 21, 2014, 08:08:21 AM
Very cool - thanks!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Steve on November 21, 2014, 08:14:17 AM
Sweet!


(Shouldn't this be stickied?)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Herman's Mixen on November 21, 2014, 08:32:06 AM
Good to see, the worx been done.. now i can focus on translation for it ;)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Motahhari on November 21, 2014, 09:08:24 AM
Please add a dislike button.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: JBlaze on November 21, 2014, 09:42:12 AM
Please add a dislike button.
What for?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Dragooon on November 21, 2014, 09:47:01 AM
Please add a dislike button.
Nope, likes acts as a positive reenforcement thing. If you don't like it just leave it.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: JBlaze on November 21, 2014, 09:48:59 AM
(https://www.simplemachines.org/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F2WyGlt9.gif%3F1&hash=eb46b7f2e879479bb305e28c2b6866d9)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on November 21, 2014, 09:55:11 AM
Also note: This is an announcement thread.  Even if we were interested in adding a feature like that - we will not be taking feature requests in this thread.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: RUKZANYA on November 21, 2014, 10:09:56 AM
 Congrats!  ;D
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Portugal on November 21, 2014, 10:17:44 AM
Hi team...well just to say a big THANKS to everyone who made this possibile! Thank you people! For that and many more...SMF its my forum plataform "since 2006" :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Antes on November 21, 2014, 10:52:50 AM
Congratz team! :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Powerbob on November 21, 2014, 11:23:46 AM
well done great job :D
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Alpay on November 21, 2014, 11:53:21 AM
Congrats to the team
Finally ^^
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: HDB on November 21, 2014, 11:56:49 AM
Congratulations! This is another positive affirmation as to why SMF is a leading solution for all of us. This evolution continues to make me believe my decision to launch my forum using SMF was the way to go. 

I can't contribute in a technical way but I am Proud to be a Charter Member.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Biology Forums on November 21, 2014, 12:24:12 PM
I've tested this from the eyes of an experienced SMF user and I must say that it is a MEAN piece of software. If there was only a magical force that would convert the insides of my forum to the insides of this lol Notification system is cool and fully AJAX-based, finally!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Mr. Jinx on November 21, 2014, 12:47:54 PM
I am very pleased with this new version. Incredible lots of work your guys put in there.
The only reason I'm not upgrading my current forum right now (besides the beta warning) is upcoming updates.
Those beta's normally don't receive package updates, you'll have to do a large forum upgrade everytime, loosing all your mods.
So I'll wait and in the meantime, play a little with the beta.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: lifeguard81 on November 21, 2014, 01:16:19 PM
It take a lot of time, but it looks realy fantastic!
great work guys
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Pause on November 21, 2014, 01:41:05 PM
Congratulations to all involved. :D
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Gryzor on November 21, 2014, 01:53:07 PM
Oooh that's great, great news! I can't say the new skin looks very modern, but is certainly a step forward.

Really nice to include Likes and Mentions (got to wonder, will there be a way to import the data from SMFPacks' Likes implementation?)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on November 21, 2014, 01:55:30 PM
, will there be a way to import the data from SMFPacks' Likes implementation?)

not from any official smf source...
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Gryzor on November 21, 2014, 01:56:45 PM
, will there be a way to import the data from SMFPacks' Likes implementation?)

not from any official smf source...

Yeah, I imagined that much :) Hopefully the db implementation will be clear enough to allow for some imports...
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Oldiesmann on November 21, 2014, 02:04:53 PM
I will likely write such a tool at some point since I use both that mod and their Alerts mod on my site, but it won't be anytime soon.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Gryzor on November 21, 2014, 02:06:21 PM
I will likely write such a tool at some point since I use both that mod and their Alerts mod on my site, but it won't be anytime soon.

Too bad I can't Like yet :D Thanks, that'll be awesome... Of course I wouldn't expect anything before the final version at least...
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: shadow82x on November 21, 2014, 02:07:09 PM
Well done developers, as always. :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Samker on November 21, 2014, 03:25:17 PM
Well done, Thanks!

 :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: xeon365 on November 21, 2014, 05:06:32 PM
Well soon as it has mediawiki and simpleportals working with it, then it will be worth using.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Gryzor on November 21, 2014, 05:07:16 PM
Mediawiki? What do you mean? Implemented how?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Masterd on November 21, 2014, 05:15:26 PM
Congratulations! Yet another huge thing has been achieved.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: grafitus on November 21, 2014, 05:17:50 PM
Keep calm and install SMF2.1 Beta. ^^ Congrats!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: shadow82x on November 21, 2014, 05:50:17 PM
Mediawiki? What do you mean? Implemented how?
Probably referring to the Mediawiki integration (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SMF_Auth_Integration).
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Jacen on November 21, 2014, 05:51:47 PM
That autosave feature is something we've been wanting for a VERY long time... I can't wait for this to go gold and to upgrade our forum to it.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Nolt on November 21, 2014, 06:31:59 PM
Great news and as always good work guys.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Acf on November 21, 2014, 06:56:06 PM
Nice :) Responsive layout brings SMF in the future.  I hope the final version doesn't load jQuery from the Google website. It would be a privacy concern to think about. As fas as i know it's also possible to load it from jQuery.com.

Keep up the good work :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Antes on November 21, 2014, 07:03:56 PM
Nice :) Responsive layout brings SMF in the future.  I hope the final version doesn't load jQuery from the Google website. It would be a privacy concern to think about. As fas as i know it's also possible to load it from jQuery.com.

Keep up the good work :)

You can switch to local from admin panel or go custom and load from another external service.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Acf on November 21, 2014, 07:10:44 PM
Nice :) Responsive layout brings SMF in the future.  I hope the final version doesn't load jQuery from the Google website. It would be a privacy concern to think about. As fas as i know it's also possible to load it from jQuery.com.

Keep up the good work :)

You can switch to local from admin panel or go custom and load from another external service.

I know, but would be nice if it would be standard. Most People wouldn't bother to change it.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: movierchives on November 21, 2014, 07:23:55 PM
Will existing plugins work on this?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: TomW on November 21, 2014, 07:38:23 PM
Excellent !  Great work; thank you SMF team !
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: JBlaze on November 21, 2014, 07:39:09 PM
Will existing plugins work on this?
Some may, some definitely won't.
Title: Editing Bar
Post by: Synergy Hub on November 22, 2014, 01:40:44 AM
I noticed that the "Show Source" button does not change it's look.  It is confusing as to what mode you are in since some of the codes show both ways.  If it became a different image in "source" mode AND the tip changed as to what it means.. it would help a lot.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Gryzor on November 22, 2014, 03:19:43 AM
Mediawiki? What do you mean? Implemented how?
Probably referring to the Mediawiki integration (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SMF_Auth_Integration).

Oh, the auth integration. Ok. I thought there might be something else :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: hhy89 on November 22, 2014, 05:17:30 AM
Congratz team! good work ;)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: islam2hamy on November 22, 2014, 06:01:47 AM
Congratulation .
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: CountryLady on November 22, 2014, 06:07:01 AM
Fantastic Accomplishment~!
Congratulations and Thanks to
everyone who worked on this.

Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Rumpa on November 22, 2014, 10:04:17 AM
This thread might be sticky topic.

is not it.

Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Steve on November 22, 2014, 10:12:47 AM
I already suggested it. *shrugs*

(Shouldn't this be stickied?)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Oldiesmann on November 22, 2014, 11:47:18 AM
Topic is now stickied...
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Baloch on November 22, 2014, 12:10:30 PM
Congratulation
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Sudhakar Arjunan on November 22, 2014, 01:10:27 PM
WoW !!!

Long awaited !!!

Mind Blowing and timely update !!!

This 2.1 made me to upgrade my forum now without thinking of all 80 mods and custom themes in it.

Because of the 5000+ feature set in smf 2.1, which will reduce my load of those mods used for last 7 years to match my forum in this competitive online world with .2 million post.  ;)

Thank you Oldiesmann & Team Simple Machines Forum by heart. The only way i could show my appreciation is by taking Chapter Member with SMF and not thinking of going out of SMF like 7 years and every.
  :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Illori on November 22, 2014, 01:57:36 PM
Because of the 5000+ feature set in smf 2.1, which will reduce my load of those mods used for last 7 years to match my forum in this competitive online world with .2 million post.  ;)

2.1 does not have 5000+ features, it has 5000+ commits for changes and improvements.

also you should not be using a beta on a live forum.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on November 22, 2014, 02:50:34 PM
To the question about jQuery; jQuery can be included from Google or the local copy that comes with SMF, so if privacy is an issue, it can be dealt with.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Chas Large on November 22, 2014, 04:24:22 PM
Well done everyone who has worked on and is working on 2.1. I love it.

Have just installed the Beta upgrade over an Alpha 1 install and it worked perfectly first time.

 :D
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Beelzeboss on November 22, 2014, 07:36:13 PM
Congratulations to the team!!!! Bravooooo!!!  :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Aoife on November 22, 2014, 07:50:46 PM
I decided to try a test forum and it installed nice and smooth. I love the look and all the features!

Way to go Team SMF!  Awesome job!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Colin on November 22, 2014, 11:49:31 PM
Fantastic work everyone. This is certainly nothing short of a massive accomplishment.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: iMiKK on November 23, 2014, 12:18:00 AM
Congratulations :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Gryzor on November 23, 2014, 04:49:30 AM
Can someone explain the privacy concerns over jQuery?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on November 23, 2014, 06:05:56 AM
If served from Google's domain, you can get a tracking cookie from Google which they can use to figure out your browsing habits and serve you "related" ads.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Gryzor on November 23, 2014, 06:08:01 AM
Oh, I see. Thanks!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: laetabi on November 23, 2014, 06:11:44 AM
Many thanks to all involved...

I'll have a play.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: scott3535 on November 23, 2014, 08:52:18 AM
Fantastic!!

The responsive design, autosave, and full HTTPS support are 3 totally awesome new features for us.

Now I will struggle to be patient until the final release comes...  ;)

Hats off to the whole development team!!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: The Domain Shop on November 23, 2014, 10:38:42 AM
Well done on the release :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Nick Whetstone on November 23, 2014, 10:45:34 AM
I picked a good day to actually log back in for the first time in 2 years :P
Congratulations, team!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: JBlaze on November 23, 2014, 10:47:15 AM
I picked a good day to actually log back in for the first time in 2 years :P
Congratulations, team!

Welcome back, bud! :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on November 23, 2014, 10:47:37 AM
Been a while, how's it going?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: manelis on November 23, 2014, 12:19:20 PM
Congratulations on getting to beta.

I know this is not something you probably have an answer, but how much time is expected to take to get to release version?

I was going to start making a modification do my 2.0.9 instalation to integrate it with my website, that will probably screw up any further updates. However, some of the new features (notifications!) where thing I was going to try to implement, and now I will probably wait for 2.1 release before starting anything.  :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on November 23, 2014, 12:20:20 PM
Quote
I know this is not something you probably have an answer, but how much time is expected to take to get to release version?

As long as it takes, as always.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: @Bogo on November 23, 2014, 01:17:40 PM
Nice work!Congrats!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Mstcool on November 23, 2014, 01:38:56 PM
Ouuu, yay! Congrats! :D
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: handy1 on November 23, 2014, 01:49:46 PM
"Password hashing has been improved from sha1 to bcrypt."

Makes easier or harder to get bridges working "again"?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on November 23, 2014, 01:59:06 PM
That depends on how your bridge worked.

If the bridge did the smart thing and used integration hooks, or relied on SMF doing the session handling by way of something like SSI, odds are you probably don't need to do anything.

If you manually checked passwords, or futzed with sessions manually, you will have to probably rewrite large chunks of it.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Dragooon on November 23, 2014, 02:20:29 PM
"Password hashing has been improved from sha1 to bcrypt."

Makes easier or harder to get bridges working "again"?
As Arantor said, depends on what the bridges do. It's not a whole lot different from the way passwords worked previously except we're now using a different algorithm. So in case the bridge was manually hashing the password, it'd need to update the algorithm it uses to bcrypt.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on November 23, 2014, 02:25:50 PM
The hooks did allow for allowing for bridged apps to worry about this stuff; if verify_user got used, it would defer all sense of auth to the bridged app meaning that this stuff would not be something to worry about, for example.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Robert. on November 23, 2014, 03:23:24 PM
Congratulations!!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Dhayzon on November 23, 2014, 04:09:43 PM
ohh yeaa !!!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Nick Whetstone on November 23, 2014, 08:58:58 PM
I picked a good day to actually log back in for the first time in 2 years :P
Congratulations, team!

Welcome back, bud! :)
Thanks man.

Been a while, how's it going?
Indeed, it has. Things are extremely busy with finals coming up, but good overall I'd say. For you?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on November 23, 2014, 09:00:10 PM
It's been an interesting couple of years - but it really is good to see SMF 2.1 coming along nicely :)

Heck, I'm even doing a paid mod at the moment :o (a paid gallery mod, currently working on the Aeva importer which is scary)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Nick Whetstone on November 23, 2014, 09:03:39 PM
It's been an interesting couple of years - but it really is good to see SMF 2.1 coming along nicely :)

Heck, I'm even doing a paid mod at the moment :o (a paid gallery mod, currently working on the Aeva importer which is scary)
I agree--it really is. It'd be nice if my schedule cleared up enough to where I could get back involved with the community. Nice!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Oldiesmann on November 24, 2014, 01:27:46 AM
Good to see you again Haha :D
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Humphr3y on November 24, 2014, 03:17:09 AM
  • A bunch of other stuff!
    • Lots and lots of other internal and external improvements!

Thanks a lot for the great work (the new version seems awsome, can't wait to see it out of Beta status)! If I may ask, will there be anything like this (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=32501.0)?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Dragooon on November 24, 2014, 03:24:02 AM
  • A bunch of other stuff!
    • Lots and lots of other internal and external improvements!

Thanks a lot for the great work (the new version seems awsome, can't wait to see it out of Beta status)! If I may ask, will there be anything like this (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=32501.0)?
Most probably not, we want to avoid adding anything majorly new at this point. But try requesting it in Feature requests and see how it goes.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Humphr3y on November 24, 2014, 03:28:26 AM
Will do immediately, thank you for answering!  :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Calaad on November 24, 2014, 05:14:29 AM
Hello,

No more main_block.png in Curve2 or i'm missing something ? It's pure CSS ?

Thank for the work !
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Dragooon on November 24, 2014, 05:49:50 AM
Hello,

No more main_block.png in Curve2 or i'm missing something ? It's pure CSS ?

Thank for the work !
Yeah, we switched to CSS gradients and shadows.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Calaad on November 24, 2014, 06:00:24 AM
I think it's a great choice, thank you one more time !
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on November 24, 2014, 06:41:31 AM
no...
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Antes on November 24, 2014, 07:08:47 AM
  • A bunch of other stuff!
    • Lots and lots of other internal and external improvements!

Thanks a lot for the great work (the new version seems awsome, can't wait to see it out of Beta status)! If I may ask, will there be anything like this (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=32501.0)?

Seems nice for some type of forums but in general its limiting the usability for some users and that's not really acceptable as core feature.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Dragooon on November 24, 2014, 07:11:59 AM
no...
CSS isn't a good choice?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on November 24, 2014, 07:31:39 AM
Unlikely to be a core feature in 2.1, though it could be made as a mod more easily with some of the under the hood changes in 2.1 now if I remember rightly.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on November 24, 2014, 08:22:33 AM
no...
CSS isn't a good choice?

didn't see there was a new page of posts in the darned browser
the "no" was responding to the same comment that you and Antes responded to...
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: iaccountant on November 24, 2014, 08:50:31 AM
Congratulations on this milestone folks, and thank you for continuing to improve SMF.

Will register at demo site to poke around.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Joomlamz on November 24, 2014, 09:34:31 AM
Yes nice Work Good News
thank all
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: vivithemage on November 24, 2014, 11:04:32 AM
woah, an update :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Oldiesmann on November 24, 2014, 11:52:10 AM
  • A bunch of other stuff!
    • Lots and lots of other internal and external improvements!

Thanks a lot for the great work (the new version seems awsome, can't wait to see it out of Beta status)! If I may ask, will there be anything like this (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=32501.0)?

Seems nice for some type of forums but in general its limiting the usability for some users and that's not really acceptable as core feature.

The only way I can ever see that being a default feature is if we make it optional (and disabled by default). In general though, I'm not fond of adding settings like that. If you can't trust your users to not abuse their privileges, you probably shouldn't be giving them permission to do that anyway.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on November 24, 2014, 11:56:17 AM
The idea is to prevent the situation of 'moderator editing post, user editing it back' but there are ways to mitigate this out of the box.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: XpatTech on November 24, 2014, 02:51:11 PM
Still got a long way to go but very impressed
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: SebaS on November 24, 2014, 04:02:21 PM
good good very good!!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: superj707 on November 24, 2014, 04:03:14 PM
Questions:

1. (clearly likes and mentions are smfpacks) If I already have likes and mentions from SMFpacks will I need to uninstall? Will my likes count be preserved?
2.Will current mods still work with 2.0? example, simple portal, ad seller pro etc?
3. is 2.1 responsive? Can I make my current theme responsive?
4. Has paid subscriptions been improved/fixed (since 60% of the time it doesn't auto change group for members who pay)?

Thank you
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Illori on November 24, 2014, 04:10:30 PM
the likes and mentions are not from smfpacks and may not use the same database structure as they do.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: superj707 on November 24, 2014, 04:12:08 PM
the likes and mentions are not from smfpacks and may not use the same database structure as they do.

Oh my apologies. They look very similar to me.
So what will be my situation then? I can't have 2 like's systems running.
Any idea how this would pan out?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on November 24, 2014, 04:12:46 PM
1- ALL mods will be uninstalled - just like any other major upgrade. There is currently no converter from a mod system to the core system...
2- some may - especially those which use hooks - most mods for 2.0 will likely NOT work on 2.1
3- the curve2 theme in 2.1 is responsive.   This will not apply to any other theme unless that theme is also built to be responsive. Your 2.0 theme will most definitely ***NOT*** work in 2.1 and there is no easy or good way to make it do so.
4- don't know...   you'd have to look at the list of commits. However, I will note that your 60% is specific to you - not to all installations, since MOST systems seem to correctly process the subscription return from PayPal.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: superj707 on November 24, 2014, 04:15:56 PM
1- ALL mods will be uninstalled - just like any other major upgrade. There is currently no converter from a mod system to the core system...
2- some may - especially those which use hooks - most mods for 2.0 will likely NOT work on 2.1
3- the curve2 theme in 2.1 is responsive.   This will not apply to any other theme unless that theme is also built to be responsive. Your 2.0 theme will most definitely ***NOT*** work in 2.1 and there is no easy or good way to make it do so.
4- don't know...   you'd have to look at the list of commits. However, I will note that your 60% is specific to you - not to all installations, since MOST systems seem to correctly process the subscription return from PayPal.

Thank you for the reply.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on November 24, 2014, 04:44:07 PM
Paid subs did receive some dev time to improve the situation but I didn't fancy setting up all the stuff to do payment handling on a test site...
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: superj707 on November 24, 2014, 06:13:05 PM
To be fair, I just did a test (due to the reply above.)
I used 2.0.9 right out of the box with no other mods of any kind installed and tested paid subs.
It was hit and miss. The system really does need some help. I would like to see this because I use it to monetize my site.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on November 24, 2014, 06:17:04 PM
Which is why I specifically spent some time on it earlier in 2.1's development.

However, the people who can fix issues *never* seem to run into issues with it...
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on November 24, 2014, 06:17:37 PM
And yet, we use it, successfully, here... And on dozens of other sites.

Now, I am not saying that it does not need some work...  But your analysis seems to be skewed.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: superj707 on November 24, 2014, 06:43:20 PM
And yet, we use it, successfully, here... And on dozens of other sites.

Now, I am not saying that it does not need some work...  But your analysis seems to be skewed.
I don't know, I am not meaning to make this personal or anything. it's a great idea and I am glad it's working for some people.
I can only report on what my experience is.  Hopefully 2.1 is the solution for my issues.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: shazoo! on November 24, 2014, 06:50:32 PM
Yes yes yes!! This is going to be the best upgrade ever!!!!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: dsanchez on November 24, 2014, 07:52:05 PM
thanks a lot!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Oldiesmann on November 24, 2014, 11:20:02 PM
As far as the smfpacks likes/alerts things go... At some point I will look into writing a script to import the data into the new format for 2.1, since I use both mods on my site as well. However, it will be my own script and not an official SMF script, and I don't plan on writing it until we get closer to a final version of 2.1.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Black Tiger on November 25, 2014, 10:56:06 AM
Well congratulations, nice to hear things are going well.
However I will wait until there is a stable release.

Quote
The general installation and upgrading procedure remains the same, however, once you upgrade from an older version to 2.1 you cannot go back, so please take careful consideration before upgrading any live site..
Which is not quite true. You would be crazy if you don't make a database backup and a backup of all files and folders before you go and upgrade to 2.1. So if things don't work, you can always delete everything and restore the backup.
But it's good to have this kind of warning, because there are still people out there who think backups are not reallly necessary.;)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Antes on November 25, 2014, 11:00:21 AM
Quote
The general installation and upgrading procedure remains the same, however, once you upgrade from an older version to 2.1 you cannot go back, so please take careful consideration before upgrading any live site..
Which is not quite true. You would be crazy if you don't make a database backup and a backup of all files and folders before you go and upgrade to 2.1. So if things don't work, you can always delete everything and restore the backup.
But it's good to have this kind of warning, because there are still people out there who think backups are not reallly necessary.;)

Some misunderstanding I guess, you cannot downgrade from SMF 2.1, that's what we meant in there. You can always open your backup. But you cannot downgrade your SMF 2.1 to SMF 2.0 or lower versions.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: levely on November 25, 2014, 11:02:15 AM
For a new forum, will I be able to select the beta version in Godaddy or HostGator auto uploaders?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: geoff691 on November 25, 2014, 11:13:02 AM
First of all, congratulations on the new version...very well done.  I look forward to upgrading in due course.

Can I ask...

1) Will there be a facility to imbed video in the new version?

2) Will you be able to incorporate tweets and Facebook posts?

3) I struggle to moderate sometimes so are there any enhancements which will make my job any easier?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on November 25, 2014, 11:17:46 AM
1) No, because this would drastically increase maintenance in our experience.

2) Same as 1.

3) Define 'struggle'. There are changes, but without understanding what your problems are, it's hard to know if there's anything that can be improved.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Antes on November 25, 2014, 11:20:46 AM
For a new forum, will I be able to select the beta version in Godaddy or HostGator auto uploaders?

Hello,

Since we don't have any contract or partnership with those companies about "auto-installer" or "upgrader" we cannot say its possible or not please consult your hosting team to get this question's answer.

Thank you

First of all, congratulations on the new version...very well done.  I look forward to upgrading in due course.

Can I ask...

1) Will there be a facility to imbed video in the new version?

2) Will you be able to incorporate tweets and Facebook posts?

3) I struggle to moderate sometimes so are there any enhancements which will make my job any easier?

1) There is no planned feature as "embed" or "auto embed" for videos.
2) I don't really understand what you mean with "incorporate" tweets or FB posts.
3) You need to specify your problems facing while moderating your forum.

Please open a new topic about 2 & 3 with more details so we can help you further.

Thank you
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: geoff691 on November 25, 2014, 11:27:37 AM
1) No, because this would drastically increase maintenance in our experience.

2) Same as 1.

3) Define 'struggle'. There are changes, but without understanding what your problems are, it's hard to know if there's anything that can be improved.

Basically the sheer volume of posts every day.  I have had to invent my own system of keeping track as to where I have edited up to on any particular thread.  A sort of marker system for editors would be useful.

Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on November 25, 2014, 11:29:42 AM
That sounds like more complex than most forums actually need (bear in mind that this forum gets hundreds and hundreds of posts per day...)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on November 25, 2014, 11:40:41 AM
on the subject of autoinstallers...
I certainly HOPE that they DO NOT offer the beta 1 version.

Beta1 is ***NOT*** intended for or recommended for a live/production site.

And - if you are using an autoinstalled from the host, then you may not have the technical wherewithal to run/test a beta - which may require some code tweaking to run or fix minor issues as they are discovered and addressed.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: ARG01 on November 25, 2014, 12:21:59 PM
For a new forum, will I be able to select the beta version in Godaddy or HostGator auto uploaders?

First, the GoDaddy and Hostgator supplied "auto uploaders" are normally one or two SMF versions behind.
Second, they don't make it a practice to offer beta (unstable) versions of any software unless there are specific terms offered by the creator. In this case SMF warns not to use on a "live/production site" therefore, GD and HG considers this beta as unstable.  So the answer is, probably not.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Gryzor on November 25, 2014, 12:46:09 PM
It's a pity it won't support video auto-embedding (YouTube mostly)... Oh well, will resort to third-party mods again.

As for Twitter and FB posts embedding, this would be interesting (insert a link to the tweet and fetch the tweet itself, perhaps nicely formatted like the Twitter API supports), but how useful would it be? How often do you do something of the sort?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on November 25, 2014, 12:47:37 PM
That's just it, it's all the same basic functionality - drop in a URL, do some kind of look up on a remote server, then add some HTML based on it.

All adds maintenance and server performance issues.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Gryzor on November 25, 2014, 12:52:13 PM
Sure, so does having a functional forum :D
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Herman's Mixen on November 25, 2014, 12:52:47 PM
working for personal use on mods for mixcloud, soundcloud, house-mixes, vimeo ...
and i would ban youtube ;)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: JoeTheBro on November 25, 2014, 02:46:45 PM
Congratulations!!!

Been watching the progress on 2.1 for a while now so it's great to see it progress to beta. Downloading on my test forum now!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Dylert on November 25, 2014, 03:00:07 PM
Great news!  Is there a demo site somewhere?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Antes on November 25, 2014, 03:03:21 PM
It's a pity it won't support video auto-embedding (YouTube mostly)... Oh well, will resort to third-party mods again.

As for Twitter and FB posts embedding, this would be interesting (insert a link to the tweet and fetch the tweet itself, perhaps nicely formatted like the Twitter API supports), but how useful would it be? How often do you do something of the sort?

I think SCEditor supporting YouTube but probably not as Auto Embed we may activate that BBCode in future but don't want to sound official here.

About Twitter & FB they are not gonna be ... I already created one for Twitter using official API but it doesn't have auto-embed function in it.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Gryzor on November 25, 2014, 03:09:08 PM
I don't think Twitter of FB embedding is that useful - it's very, very rare that you'll want to embed a tweet (unless you're running a forum about Twitter? :D ). YT videos, on the other hand... All the time. And I think all major forum platforms support it by default?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Antes on November 25, 2014, 03:37:32 PM
I don't think Twitter of FB embedding is that useful - it's very, very rare that you'll want to embed a tweet (unless you're running a forum about Twitter? :D ). YT videos, on the other hand... All the time. And I think all major forum platforms support it by default?

actually no, twitter is mostly used public place, I'm running a forum about games you can see lots of game developers/companies on twitter and embedding those are really useful.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: mehrtadbir on November 25, 2014, 04:14:22 PM
Hi

Congratulations and thank you
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Sesquipedalian on November 25, 2014, 05:55:10 PM
I'm really excited to see that Curve2 uses divs instead of tables for its layout and is fully responsive!  :)

I heavily modified the CSS for Curve on my site in order to bash it into becoming responsive. It took an ungodly amount of CSS hacks to make it work and it is still so fragile. Having a theme that is designed to be responsive is going to be so much better!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Weirdo on November 25, 2014, 07:26:28 PM
Congrats to the SMF Team. :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: JBlaze on November 25, 2014, 07:37:24 PM
if you are using an autoinstalled from the host, then you may not have the technical wherewithal to run/test a beta

Hey now... I use auto-installers sometimes when I truly want to break things >:D
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on November 25, 2014, 08:00:24 PM
Breaking things implies it was at some point working properly in order for it to break.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: snake_ripken on November 25, 2014, 09:04:13 PM
congrat on new version relaese
am awaiting nice stable release

thank you to smf makers for hard work
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Linda.V on November 26, 2014, 12:35:27 AM
Congrats to the theme, thanks for all the work!

I love this nice SMF Default Theme - Curve2.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: vkot on November 26, 2014, 02:00:12 AM
Great news!  ;) We've been waiting for this for so long...
I hope it will not take another 3 years for the RC and the Final.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Dragooon on November 26, 2014, 05:35:39 AM
Breaking things implies it was at some point working properly in order for it to break.
Oh they shatter your will.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: sergiodadi on November 26, 2014, 06:19:23 AM
Congrats to the team. :) :) :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: agentblackhat on November 26, 2014, 10:02:53 AM
4- don't know...   you'd have to look at the list of commits. However, I will note that your 60% is specific to you - not to all installations, since MOST systems seem to correctly process the subscription return from PayPal.

I disagree, MOST systems don't use subscriptions, but of those that do there is an exceptionally large proportion who are finding the system unusable and therefore move onto other software to fill the gap. If you use the search feature you will find hundreds of posts from SMF users not able to use the subscription system. None of which seem to be addressed properly by SMF staff.

I've been trying to get the subscription system working for months now and it is often a dead end where support is concerned.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on November 26, 2014, 10:09:14 AM
Yes, but I'm in the category of being SMF staff in the past - and it worked flawlessly for me. I never had *any* problem with it.

If I'd actually experienced any problems myself, I'd have investigated and resolved it - but since I never encountered any problems myself, I could only make improvements in 2.1 where I *guessed* it could be problematic.

There are 'hundreds of posts', from a few dozen users.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: motosimak on November 26, 2014, 10:50:33 AM
the citation of the selected text still will not default and will again put the plugin for this?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on November 26, 2014, 11:03:55 AM
mostly because it is very difficult to debug and fix when we can't recreate the issue.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: cpf on November 26, 2014, 09:03:58 PM
This looks pretty cool.  The back end is much better too.

The ban system looks to be the same.  Is that correct?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: agentblackhat on November 28, 2014, 03:43:55 AM
Yes, but I'm in the category of being SMF staff in the past - and it worked flawlessly for me. I never had *any* problem with it.

If I'd actually experienced any problems myself, I'd have investigated and resolved it - but since I never encountered any problems myself, I could only make improvements in 2.1 where I *guessed* it could be problematic.

There are 'hundreds of posts', from a few dozen users.

I think most just gave up to be honest instead of waiting around for the small chance they would be taken seriously.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Deaks on November 28, 2014, 08:44:38 AM
The ban system looks to be the same.  Is that correct?

Yeh pretty much at most code has been updated but cant recall anything big done to it.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on November 28, 2014, 09:30:17 AM
I think most just gave up to be honest instead of waiting around for the small chance they would be taken seriously.

They were always taken seriously by me - I just never could find any actual common issues to be fixed.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: motosimak on November 28, 2014, 09:39:13 AM
bad that did not make the possibility of default insert an image into text and not as an attachment.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on November 28, 2014, 09:40:17 AM
bad that did not make the possibility of default insert an image into text and not as an attachment.

It wasn't deemed important enough, and it's not like there aren't other options available.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: motosimak on November 28, 2014, 09:48:05 AM
There are plans for sending messages to users on schedule, with the filter in the last week with a choice of forum section ?

This would allow users to return to the forum if they have forgotten about it :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on November 28, 2014, 09:51:19 AM
Nope. There have been mods for this and generally they discourage people from visiting.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Dragooon on November 28, 2014, 10:33:58 AM
Yes, but I'm in the category of being SMF staff in the past - and it worked flawlessly for me. I never had *any* problem with it.

If I'd actually experienced any problems myself, I'd have investigated and resolved it - but since I never encountered any problems myself, I could only make improvements in 2.1 where I *guessed* it could be problematic.

There are 'hundreds of posts', from a few dozen users.

I think most just gave up to be honest instead of waiting around for the small chance they would be taken seriously.
I don't think you've actually mentioned what features there are which help with managing a large forum? And which forum software implement it if at all?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on November 28, 2014, 04:05:28 PM
dragooon,

he's complaining that no one takes his complaints about the subscription system seriously.
And, as arantor points out --  we do take the complaint seriously - but if we can't replicate the issue (at all) we can't very well fix it... and the folks who have issues with subscriptions seem to be a significant minority, no matter ho vocal they are.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: jmonroe on November 28, 2014, 10:19:21 PM
Awesome job team! About to install it now.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Colin on November 28, 2014, 10:35:45 PM
Wahoo! Let us know how it goes.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: DEK24 on November 29, 2014, 12:47:41 AM
I don't think Twitter of FB embedding is that useful - it's very, very rare that you'll want to embed a tweet (unless you're running a forum about Twitter? :D ). YT videos, on the other hand... All the time. And I think all major forum platforms support it by default?

My users would love to embed tweets. We gather a lot of news and discussion surrounding it.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Antes on November 29, 2014, 03:18:22 AM
I don't think Twitter of FB embedding is that useful - it's very, very rare that you'll want to embed a tweet (unless you're running a forum about Twitter? :D ). YT videos, on the other hand... All the time. And I think all major forum platforms support it by default?

My users would love to embed tweets. We gather a lot of news and discussion surrounding it.

You can use http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=3837
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Herman's Mixen on November 29, 2014, 04:56:35 AM
dont even try to install mods on such an unstable peace of software...
when it has not reached RC or FINAL it is useless to use mods...

even mod authors are not ready for the new stucture in SMF
dont just promote mods wich are not designed for that version.... they maybe work but 95% it wont
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Dragooon on November 29, 2014, 05:12:51 AM
dragooon,

he's complaining that no one takes his complaints about the subscription system seriously.
And, as arantor points out --  we do take the complaint seriously - but if we can't replicate the issue (at all) we can't very well fix it... and the folks who have issues with subscriptions seem to be a significant minority, no matter ho vocal they are.
I'm still not sure what's wrong with it? I've been using Paid Subscriptions to sell my theme for 3 years and it's been fine.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on November 29, 2014, 07:50:14 AM
I'm still not sure what's wrong with it? I've been using Paid Subscriptions to sell my theme for 3 years and it's been fine.

Exactly....

90+% of the users who use subscriptions do not have a problem.
Some do.
We don't deny that they have a problem.
But we can not replicate the issue -- and their claims that the subscriptions system is broken and "must be fixed, because no one can use it" are hyperbole. We'd love to fix it -- but, if we can not replicate the situation, and it's not a widespread occurrence, how are we supposed to fix it?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: NekoJonez on November 29, 2014, 07:54:54 AM
Will v2.0.x be stopped when v2.1 is out of beta?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on November 29, 2014, 08:00:06 AM
2.0.x will continue to receive security updates for the foreseeable future (like 1.1.x did when 2.0 was released)

1.1.x is at end of life already, although it continues to receive support. However, 1.1.x will be unsupported when 2.1 gold is released.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: NekoJonez on November 29, 2014, 08:30:23 AM
Welp, then I'll have to play a waiting game to have the mods I want in 2.1 to be updated :p
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: geoff691 on November 29, 2014, 08:47:33 PM
We have a sister site on twitter and it would be very useful to our readers and users to be able to view tweets on the new version of smf.  We previously used 'Calling your Twitter' (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=419483.msg2931956#msg2931956) up to SMF 2.06 but it has since become incompatible with newer versions.

Can we also ask will there be an iphone or Android compatible platform for SMF available with the new version?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: geoff691 on November 29, 2014, 08:49:57 PM
First of all, congratulations on the new version...very well done.  I look forward to upgrading in due course.

Can I ask...

1) Will there be a facility to imbed video in the new version?

2) Will you be able to incorporate tweets and Facebook posts?

3) I struggle to moderate sometimes so are there any enhancements which will make my job any easier?

1) There is no planned feature as "embed" or "auto embed" for videos.
2) I don't really understand what you mean with "incorporate" tweets or FB posts.
3) You need to specify your problems facing while moderating your forum.

Please open a new topic about 2 & 3 with more details so we can help you further.

Thank you

OK, will do.

Where should I open the topic as it relates to version 2.1 ?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on November 29, 2014, 08:56:14 PM
Can we also ask will there be an iphone or Android compatible platform for SMF available with the new version?

Not by default.
Someone may make a mod for it...
(Although I will not, there is no reason that I can see that calling your Twitter would. It work with 2.0.9.)

As for your second question, there is a 2.1 support board now.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: CitrusSponge on November 30, 2014, 08:11:18 AM
That's pretty cool.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: BellGab.com on December 01, 2014, 03:55:46 AM
I'd like to encourage people to consider donating financially to SMF if they haven't already. I'm very happy to see development moving along as it now is, and your donations will only help in maintaining this momentum.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Antes on December 01, 2014, 08:31:27 AM
I'd like to encourage people to consider donating financially to SMF if they haven't already. I'm very happy to see development moving along as it now is, and your donations will only help in maintaining this momentum.

We are surely thankful for all your financial support to our project. BUT please do not create illusion that donation will speed development up. Your best help will be testing our beta product and give a feedback.

Thank you :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on December 01, 2014, 09:20:51 AM
Exactly.  Thank you Antes for addressing that.

While SMF does appreciate donations -- and those are what allow us to keep running our servers, etc., our team are all volunteers. No one gets paid and donations will not speed up (or indeed, have any effect) on development. Testing the beta, giving feedback... this will enable us to address issues and get beta2 and RC versions released.
Additionally, if you know any coding and you discover an issue, submitting the issue AND the fix to our GitHub repository will speed things up, since our dev team won't have to track down and code that specific fix themselves.  -- but ANY contributions of testing and reports are welcome and appreciated.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Ben_S on December 01, 2014, 09:57:23 AM
Quick general question, with the new notifications feature, as an admin, is it possible to disable email notifications completely, if you run a big board the amount of junk emails you send will end up getting your ip black listed by google and hotmail etc even if the emails aren't spam, they don't seem to like getting such a stupid amount of emails. I've dealt with this at the moment by making the log_notify table engine blackhole. Not pretty but it works with the current system - barring the odd user who wonders why the notifications don't work.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Illori on December 01, 2014, 10:12:30 AM
In your profile you can set what you get as email or just notifications. Just like in 2.0.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Dragooon on December 01, 2014, 10:21:05 AM
Quick general question, with the new notifications feature, as an admin, is it possible to disable email notifications completely, if you run a big board the amount of junk emails you send will end up getting your ip black listed by google and hotmail etc even if the emails aren't spam, they don't seem to like getting such a stupid amount of emails. I've dealt with this at the moment by making the log_notify table engine blackhole. Not pretty but it works with the current system - barring the odd user who wonders why the notifications don't work.
No but I guess it's possible, we can add an option in Alert preferences. Not 100% sure if we should do this.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on December 01, 2014, 10:28:29 AM
As an admin you've always been able to go into a user's profile and change their email notifications preference... Nothing should have changed in that regard.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Dragooon on December 01, 2014, 10:30:19 AM
As an admin you've always been able to go into a user's profile and change their email notifications preference... Nothing should have changed in that regard.
But the user can change it back I suppose, the idea is to disable e-mails for notifications. Although that would also completely disable PM and other higher priority e-mails as well I guess.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on December 01, 2014, 10:33:28 AM
Why would they? It's not like they're going to get the emails in either case ;)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: BellGab.com on December 01, 2014, 11:41:00 AM
...our team are all volunteers. No one gets paid...

well i certainly didn't know THAT.  all the more reason to appreciate what you guys have accomplished.  you should at least consider skimming a little off the top to buy yourselves some guinness.  you know... wet your beak.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on December 01, 2014, 11:43:17 AM
That tends to lead to all kinds of discussions, though... how would you allocate payment? Doing it equally undermines the people who do more complex/more specialised roles, doing it based on role undermines the people who put in a lot of time but aren't in the more specialised roles.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Dragooon on December 01, 2014, 11:44:26 AM
...our team are all volunteers. No one gets paid...

well i certainly didn't know THAT.  all the more reason to appreciate what you guys have accomplished.  you should at least consider skimming a little off the top to buy yourselves some guinness.  you know... wet your beak.
Nah, lack of money keeps things straight. All the proceeds goes to keep the project running (server, advertising etc), all of us are volunteers and we like it that way because at least I personally do all this for the learning experience and the enjoyment I get from development.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on December 01, 2014, 11:57:08 AM
exactly what Dragooon said... :D
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Antes on December 01, 2014, 12:09:01 PM
We send box of small candies to team members every year :P (j/k we are not doing that too)...
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Sagar_king on December 02, 2014, 02:29:50 AM
how to upgrade please guide now on 2.0.9
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Rumpa on December 02, 2014, 05:54:32 AM
how to upgrade please guide now on 2.0.9

wait for final release upgrading live site
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Colin on December 02, 2014, 06:11:00 AM
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The general installation and upgrading procedure remains the same, however, once you upgrade from an older version to 2.1 you cannot go back, so please take careful consideration before upgrading any live site.. Have a look at Installing and Upgrading SMF in the Online Manual to know more. You cannot upgrade to 2.1 Beta 1 via the package manager; instead you will need to do the "Large Upgrade" process. SMF 2.1 can be obtained from the Download section.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: meirav on December 03, 2014, 02:11:08 PM
Hello,

No more main_block.png in Curve2 or i'm missing something ? It's pure CSS ?

Thank for the work !
Yeah, we switched to CSS gradients and shadows.

Great choice! It will be so much easier to customize.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Antes on December 03, 2014, 02:17:28 PM
Hello,

No more main_block.png in Curve2 or i'm missing something ? It's pure CSS ?

Thank for the work !
Yeah, we switched to CSS gradients and shadows.

Great choice! It will be so much easier to customize.

Not only that ;) read our dev blog you'll see how easy we made the customization in and out of the SMF... You can power your extra pages with our pre-defined CSS classes easily.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Chas Large on December 03, 2014, 04:01:59 PM

Not only that ;) read our dev blog you'll see how easy we made the customization in and out of the SMF... You can power your extra pages with our pre-defined CSS classes easily.

Can't seem to find this dev blog, can you please provide a link?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on December 03, 2014, 04:03:39 PM
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?board=129.0
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on December 03, 2014, 04:21:58 PM
or http://blogs.simplemachines.org/dev/
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Chas Large on December 04, 2014, 06:35:13 AM
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?board=129.0
Ah thanks, for some reason I had that section closed up.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Chas Large on December 04, 2014, 06:35:56 AM
or http://blogs.simplemachines.org/dev/
Thanks too for that. :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Mr. Jinx on December 04, 2014, 12:47:26 PM
Just curious, how are the bug reports going? More / less then expected?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on December 04, 2014, 09:15:37 PM
I don't know what the devs think personally but I'm thinking there's fewer bug reports than I expected.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Antes on December 04, 2014, 09:19:00 PM
I don't know what the devs think personally but I'm thinking there's fewer bug reports than I expected.

Agree, personally its less than my expectations.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: ARG01 on December 05, 2014, 12:17:17 AM
I am not sure if fewer bug reports is good or bad? Either bugs are few and far between or downloads have been minimal. No way to tell since there is no download counter.  I have yet to get a chance to dig into 2.1.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: langel on December 05, 2014, 05:49:49 PM
And it would be possible for the quick reply either no load? With ajax for example.

In order that quick reply, whether a quick reply!

Great work guys!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on December 05, 2014, 05:51:44 PM
There are problems with doing it - I know I started to make a move in that direction and it was on the plan to do it (at least it was a plan I had to do it for 2.1) but I ran into serious architectural issues in implementing it. Not least some bbcodes will break.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Powerbob on December 08, 2014, 07:17:24 AM
I don't know what the devs think personally but I'm thinking there's fewer bug reports than I expected.

My thoughts as well.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Sagar_king on December 09, 2014, 04:22:46 AM
Can anybody give theme for this beta version defualt one is too light dark needed
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on December 09, 2014, 05:44:40 AM
You are unlikely to see such themes just yet. Theme creators are likely going to wait until 2.1 is no longer in beta but is in RC. Running it on a production site is not advised.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Rickardo on December 09, 2014, 07:03:06 AM
Hi all,

Firstly, I'm looking forward to upgrading my site to the new version.From the test site it looks and feels much better!

I'm sorry if this has already been asked (I've had a brief look at this thread but not read it all) but when can we expect this release to go into alpha??
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on December 09, 2014, 07:04:55 AM
This release is already beyond alpha.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Dragooon on December 09, 2014, 07:05:39 AM
Hi all,

Firstly, I'm looking forward to upgrading my site to the new version.From the test site it looks and feels much better!

I'm sorry if this has already been asked (I've had a brief look at this thread but not read it all) but when can we expect this release to go into alpha??
Beta comes after alpha.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on December 09, 2014, 07:10:22 AM
and, if you were intending to ask "when will this release be final" -- the answer is (as always) "When it is ready"
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Rickardo on December 09, 2014, 08:13:47 AM
Quote
Beta comes after alpha.

Ooops, so it does, my mistake!

So there is no expected timeline for a master release then!?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on December 09, 2014, 08:21:36 AM
Considering that it's done by a group of volunteers doing this in the spare time - and they do all have other real lives to contend with (little things like jobs get in the way of stuff like this)...
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Rickardo on December 09, 2014, 08:32:55 AM
I completely understand. My forum is a spare time thing as well, certainly not my main job!

I'm just hoping I can go straight to V2.1 after the holiday season is finished, rather than having to undo all my (xmas) mods to my theme....  ::)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Steve on December 09, 2014, 08:40:00 AM
and, if you were intending to ask "when will this release be final" -- the answer is (as always) "When it is ready"
So there is no expected timeline for a master release then!?

 :-X
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on December 09, 2014, 09:20:35 AM
I can guarantee that 2.1 will *NOT* be in final release in 1 month.

You keep asking the question, despite the fact that you have been answered several times.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Gary on December 09, 2014, 01:00:47 PM
Well, it'll be after Christmas for sure. But no-one has ever said it being done by which Christmas. :P
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on December 09, 2014, 01:10:06 PM
I seem to recall 2020 was suggested in jest.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Dragooon on December 09, 2014, 01:30:26 PM
I seem to recall 2020 was suggested in jest.
God, how much do you want to rush us? We're merely volunteers, unpaid too. Have patience.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Rumpa on December 09, 2014, 01:30:57 PM
Well, it'll be after Christmas for sure. But no-one has ever said it being done by which Christmas. :P
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on December 09, 2014, 01:31:46 PM
I know, right?! I was clearly joking when I said 2020, of course I meant this side of Y2K38 and the Unix Epoch.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Rumpa on December 09, 2014, 01:36:05 PM
This is Christmas gift for us.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Gary on December 10, 2014, 02:40:56 AM
I seem to recall 2020 was suggested in jest.
Hah. I usually go for 2054. :P
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Deaks on December 10, 2014, 10:21:17 AM
ill say it will be released BEFORE I win euromillions!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: saosangmo on December 10, 2014, 12:59:02 PM
I hope you and core team win euromillions at this time tomorrow.

ill say it will be released BEFORE I win euromillions!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on December 10, 2014, 01:32:48 PM
If the team wins the lottery, we're taking a 2 year vacation to our own personal Caribbean island... 2.1 final will be out whenever we run out of rum!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Deaks on December 10, 2014, 10:50:13 PM
well i dont put lottery on so wont be winning soon and if I won euromillions do you think id be here?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on December 10, 2014, 10:52:40 PM
Yes, you'd need something to occupy your time.

Heck, if I won EuroMillions I'd probably still be here.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Dragooon on December 11, 2014, 01:20:37 AM
I'll be here from the Caribbean.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Burridge on December 11, 2014, 08:29:11 AM
So far so good! Haven't done a lot with 2.1 yet, but it sure looks promising. I like the change in theme, and the extra features. Look forward to the full release :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: mold20 on December 13, 2014, 06:17:35 PM
I like it SimpleMachine and her team, congrats.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: breweruk on December 15, 2014, 12:58:48 PM
Will 2.1 include the ability to embed assets such as tweets or scripts from embedly? I can do it on my forum running on 2.0.8 but not on the one running 2.0.9.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Deaks on December 15, 2014, 01:36:41 PM
nothing in that regard changed between 2.0.8 and 2.0.9 ...
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on December 15, 2014, 01:43:41 PM
Actually, Runic, he is right...  2.0.9 screwed up the html BBC - that will be corrected with 2.0.10...   and that error never made it in to 2.1

However, in general putting html bbc into posts to do things like that is poor design.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Deaks on December 15, 2014, 02:47:32 PM
never had the issue on my forum and its 2.0.9 ah well ces't la vie :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: The_FluffBall on December 15, 2014, 06:52:08 PM
Woo! I like this update :)
If only modifications worked on it.
I can't wait to see what future updates will bring.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: NekoJonez on December 16, 2014, 04:25:18 PM
Woo! I like this update :)
If only modifications worked on it.
I can't wait to see what future updates will bring.
I talked about that in a separate thread. The reason why is explained there. ;)

/end offtopic.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: dsanchez on December 29, 2014, 04:16:25 AM
Thanks for this!

Will there be an option in this version to edit the Welcome message for the users from the admin area (currently we must manually modify the theme).

Thanks!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Mstcool on December 29, 2014, 05:19:11 AM
Thanks for this!

Will there be an option in this version to edit the Welcome message for the users from the admin area (currently we must manually modify the theme).

Thanks!

Do you mean the one that says "welcome guest. Please login or register" or like the news area? :P
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: dsanchez on December 29, 2014, 05:22:06 AM
I mean the Welcome message an user gets on his email when he register to a forum. e.g.:

Quote
Thank you for registering at Curefans.com. Your username is williams. If you forget your password, you can reset it by visiting http://curefans.com/index.php?action=reminder.

Before you can login, you first need to activate your account. To do so, please follow this link:

http://curefans.com/activate/?u=8073;code=5968ffbb37

Should you have any problems with activation, please visit http://curefans.com/activate/?u=8073 use the code "5968ffbb37".

Regards,
The Curefans.com Team.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Illori on December 29, 2014, 06:08:57 AM
same as you can in 2.0 you can edit the language strings in the admin panel, but it is not recommended.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on December 29, 2014, 06:46:18 AM
Actually in 2.0 you cannot edit the email templates from the admin panel.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Illori on December 29, 2014, 07:42:53 AM
Ah, I did not test that half. But you can in 2.1.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: pecado on December 30, 2014, 05:36:45 AM
Is built-in support for external search engines (google custom search, sphinx, lucene) exists on your roadmap?
:)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Dragooon on December 30, 2014, 05:38:16 AM
Is built-in support for external search engines (google custom search, sphinx, lucene) exists on your roadmap?
:)
Nope
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on December 30, 2014, 05:43:21 AM
Surely porting the existing Sphinx module to 2.1 is seeing how this site uses it?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: pecado on December 30, 2014, 07:31:36 AM
Nope
Thanks for precisely answer :)
I hope modules will work fine, external engines are necessary for big forums.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on December 30, 2014, 08:59:03 AM
search engines have been able to accurately scan SMF powered sites for years now....


Custom search like Sphinx should be updated shortly -- probably after the RC release...
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Mstcool on January 04, 2015, 10:20:22 PM
I'm just curious to know... The day 2.1 gets released....will this support site be updated right away or after a while? And will the site be down for a while?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on January 04, 2015, 10:20:59 PM
...only the shadow knows....
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Mstcool on January 05, 2015, 05:36:08 AM
Lool true true
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Masterd on January 06, 2015, 06:43:25 AM
I'm just curious to know... The day 2.1 gets released....will this support site be updated right away or after a while? And will the site be down for a while?

There's also a chance that this site will be uodated during the RC stage.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: dsanchez on January 06, 2015, 10:20:11 AM
I love the @mentions feature. I have a question: it will be possible to set all members to have their notifications (both by alerts and email) enabled by default?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Sagar_king on January 07, 2015, 12:46:27 AM
Their is no image preview for image attachment for 2.1
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Dylert on January 07, 2015, 01:48:57 AM
Their is no image preview for image attachment for 2.1

I agree with Sagar-king. There should absolutely be an image-preview (thumbnails) for attachments! It's so much better to see a thumbnail of the images you are going to upload, rather than only a file-name.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Illori on January 07, 2015, 05:06:36 AM
there are previews for image attachments just like 2.0 had.

if you dont see them on your forum check your attachment thumbnail settings in the admin panel.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Dylert on January 07, 2015, 05:46:32 AM
I mean preview after an image is selected but before it's posted.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Illori on January 07, 2015, 05:54:06 AM
i really doubt that will be provided as SMF does not do anything with the attachment until you have submitted your message.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Dylert on January 07, 2015, 06:02:15 AM
It would have been a really great improvement!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on January 07, 2015, 07:31:23 AM
It's also a *massive* amount of work to implement correctly, and does not even begin to remotely justify the workload involved.

Let alone the fact that it's also borderline a security vulnerability in itself - and can be abused to lock out your site on the server in the worst case.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on January 07, 2015, 08:24:50 AM
yup....   that is not going to happen in 2.1. period.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Steve on January 07, 2015, 08:34:10 AM
I don't understand the desire for this ... doesn't one look at the picture before they attach it anyway?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on January 07, 2015, 08:35:27 AM
Apparently not?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Mstcool on January 07, 2015, 08:21:52 PM
I don't understand the desire for this ... doesn't one look at the picture before they attach it anyway?

Maybe they want to see how it looks posted on the forum because some forums have pics automatically resized to a specific size they want and so the poster might want to see how the pic looks like before its posted. :P
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Steve on January 07, 2015, 08:59:22 PM
That's a possibility I reckon. :P
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Dragooon on January 08, 2015, 05:03:28 AM
It's also a *massive* amount of work to implement correctly, and does not even begin to remotely justify the workload involved.
It's actually possible simply via JS, I might take a look into this if I get some time.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on January 08, 2015, 09:27:19 AM
It's possible via JS - yes through the File API.

The problem is, not all the browsers supported by SMF 2.1 support that. Meaning that you either need to do the server roundtrip (where it gets hairy and insecure) or you bundle Flash and possibly Silverlight components to fix the behaviour for the browsers that don't support it but that SMF 2.1 supports, e.g. IE 9.

This assumes the general standing policy of 'consistent behaviour between supported platforms wherever possible', of course.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Dragooon on January 08, 2015, 10:05:33 AM
Quote
This assumes the general standing policy of 'consistent behaviour between supported platforms wherever possible', of course.
I'm really sure that we do not have a policy of supporting 100% features on every browser (Desktop notifications for example), we try to do our best but I have no qualms against dropping support for arcane browser for features which aren't critical to the usage of forums
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Deaks on January 08, 2015, 10:09:47 AM
im sorry but i dont see point in adding it if only one person is asking for it, its not like its getting asked for alot.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on January 08, 2015, 01:11:19 PM
There's that too ;)

Also, desktop notifications are a core feature since when?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Illori on January 08, 2015, 01:27:36 PM
Also, desktop notifications are a core feature since when?

a good few months if not longer. although i have not yet seen them work in firefox... i have really tested the alerts system in that amount of time.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Dragooon on January 09, 2015, 09:19:53 AM
im sorry but i dont see point in adding it if only one person is asking for it, its not like its getting asked for alot.
im sorry but i dont see point in adding it if only one person is asking for it, its not like its getting asked for alot.
Attachments and file upload can use some modernisation I believe, it's not just the image preview.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Deaks on January 09, 2015, 11:47:23 AM
One user asked for something after various people including the PM saying its not going to happen in 2.1 and a former dev saying its quite a hard to do, you jump in say ill do it via js.  Even though its already stated that feature wont be added in 2.1 without alot of compatibility issues

Now these 2 things you are now saying are default and core features so the risks that have been presented of not being compatible as stated previously are yet again valid. :P
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Dragooon on January 09, 2015, 12:16:46 PM
One user asked for something after various people including the PM saying its not going to happen in 2.1 and a former dev saying its quite a hard to do, you jump in say ill do it via js.  Even though its already stated that feature wont be added in 2.1 without alot of compatibility issues

Now these 2 things you are now saying are default and core features so the risks that have been presented of not being compatible as stated previously are yet again valid. :P
Yeah because I have no idea what I'm talking about. This isn't core feature, I simply said attachments could use some improvements. I haven't actually implemented anything, I want to. So I will present what I propose to against the team and let the PM/Lead dev decide.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Deaks on January 09, 2015, 12:20:28 PM
Yeah because I have no idea what I'm talking about.

Here you are trying to put words in my mouth, if you feel that then why you have the badge :P

 
This isn't core feature
Attachments is a core feature though

I simply said attachments could use some improvements. I haven't actually implemented anything, I want to. So I will present what I propose to against the team and let the PM/Lead dev decide.
your wording so far has implied you plan to do this albeit before that you did say "might"

I will now back out of this.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Dragooon on January 09, 2015, 12:27:59 PM
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your wording so far has implied you plan to do this albeit before that you did say "might"
Yeah I do plan to do this, that's the whole point. If I didn't plan to do this I wouldn't ask for Lead Dev or the PM's okay.

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Attachments is a core feature though
I meant this hasn't been added into the core yet

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Here you are trying to put words in my mouth, if you feel that then why you have the badge :P
It was about you thinking I haven't considered the difficulty or compatibility with older browsers, this isn't a functionality, it's simply an enhancement for those with the means to utilise it. Anyone on an older browser doesn't lose the functionality, they simply resort to a much more dull version of it but don't lose any of the features present in the core.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Deaks on January 09, 2015, 12:36:51 PM
you should be coding to work with all supported browsers and core features should work same across all supported platforms.  Not a dulled down version.  Also isnt their enough bugs to fix :P

Personally I would advise not trying to re-invent the system on 2.1 but for the next version.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Dragooon on January 09, 2015, 12:40:35 PM
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you should be coding to work with all supported browsers and core features should work same across all supported platforms.  Not a dulled down version.  Also isnt their enough bugs to fix :P
And ever wondered why SMF has been called the most basic/backward forum by a lot of users? Because we keep trying to keep everyone happy ending up keeping no one happy.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Deaks on January 09, 2015, 12:44:36 PM
never seen anyone say that before well except the mybb fanboi's who critisice every other forum software but mybb :P
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on January 09, 2015, 12:45:27 PM
There's that, and there's the fact that SM is highly conservative in mentality... which isn't necessarily a bad thing in itself but it is inhibiting further growth to a point by keeping only to the basic stuff.

*shrug* I just thought policy was to provide a consistent (barring minor aesthetic stuff) experience to all supported browsers, if that's changed, that's fine too.

@Runic: it's a common complaint at TAZ.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Antes on January 09, 2015, 12:50:31 PM
95% of SMF 2.1 works well with IE9 (linear gradients etc... not working with IE9), so I think we can spare 5% to modern world ;)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: winsoft on January 10, 2015, 06:47:00 AM
This release is already beyond alpha.

When will you be releasing full version of this beta?

thanks
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Antechinus on January 10, 2015, 07:04:38 AM
It's already available. Just download it from GitHub.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Rumpa on January 10, 2015, 08:15:05 AM
It's already available. Just download it from GitHub.
That's mean very soon available in SMF too?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on January 10, 2015, 08:19:21 AM
???

beta 1 is avalable on our download page.

the "nightly" build is available on github - however beta2 is not yet released
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: zappaDPJ on January 11, 2015, 06:26:43 PM
I don't understand the desire for this ... doesn't one look at the picture before they attach it anyway?

Taken in isolation it could certainly be argued that the improvement would have limited functionality. However that's because SMF's attachment manager is archaic.

Supposing I wanted to embed two images into a post. Ideally I would enter the file locations/names into the attachment manager which would give me a thumbnail preview of both files along with the option to embed each image or leave them as attachments. Selecting embed would do just that, embed them into the post editor at the caret position ready for posting.

Currently, you can't even easily embed an uploaded image from within the attachment manager. I fully realise that catering for this amount of functionality is not an insignificant task but please don't assume that it's undesirable addition to the core software. On the contrary it's highly desirable and sort after by more than just a small handful of forum owners/users.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on January 11, 2015, 06:39:02 PM
Perhaps, but neither inline attachments nor attachment preview is in scope for 2.1
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Antes on January 11, 2015, 06:44:04 PM
I agree with zappa here. But I think that type of attachment handling also requires Highslide JS (or alike) to show attachments (images) properly. Seems bit much work to me.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: radu81 on January 12, 2015, 05:32:42 AM
However that's because SMF's attachment manager is archaic.

I asked for a better attachments handling one year ago and I was accused by "emotional balckmail"  :D :D

http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=514812.0
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Steve on January 12, 2015, 09:01:40 AM
... please don't assume that it's undesirable addition to the core software ...

Not sure if you're talking to me (since you quoted me) or the software developers but if it's me, I honestly did not see why there was a desire for this. Your post shows me why. :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on January 12, 2015, 10:34:31 AM
You asked for it in a way that came across as trying to persuade us by emotional blackmail rather than on the merits of what you proposed.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: radu81 on January 12, 2015, 11:03:55 AM
Arantor I blame my bad english :D it's not so easy to express myself  always in the right way ;)

I did not asked for anything in 8 years using SMF, but that was important for me and not only for me
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on January 12, 2015, 11:12:06 AM
As I said at the time, if you'd just stuck to trying to convince us on the benefits of it (and not 'because <other system> has it' and definitely not 'because you suck if you don't have it' which is what it felt very much like), we would have been much more amenable to it.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: radu81 on January 12, 2015, 11:19:01 AM
I thought that naming 3 free scripts (including kunena which is a "joke" compared to smf)  + 1paid which has that option into core was a good reason, but obviuosly was not :(
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on January 12, 2015, 11:23:40 AM
No because it doesn't actually say anything about why we should - only 'you suck compared to these people'.

Imagine if I went to your site and said 'hey, you suck because you don't do this thing that other sites do'. You'd feel insulted, right?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: radu81 on January 12, 2015, 12:50:59 PM
'you suck compared to these people'.
could seem like that, but was not my intention

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Imagine if I went to your site and said 'hey, you suck because you don't do this thing that other sites do'. You'd feel insulted, right?
Yep!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: zappaDPJ on January 12, 2015, 01:01:17 PM
... please don't assume that it's undesirable addition to the core software ...

Not sure if you're talking to me (since you quoted me) or the software developers but if it's me, I honestly did not see why there was a desire for this. Your post shows me why. :)

I'm talking to anyone who will listen :) I think it's important that the developers are made aware of the kind of functionality forum owners and users would like to see in their software.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on January 12, 2015, 01:03:44 PM
Yes, the developers are aware of it. The fact remains that unless someone actually wants to write it, test it, debug it... in their spare time...

I have to be honest, this mentality is part of the reason I left the dev team... because it felt like an eternal grind of never ever being good enough. :(
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Suki on January 12, 2015, 01:09:49 PM
... please don't assume that it's undesirable addition to the core software ...

Not sure if you're talking to me (since you quoted me) or the software developers but if it's me, I honestly did not see why there was a desire for this. Your post shows me why. :)

I'm talking to anyone who will listen :) I think it's important that the developers are made aware of the kind of functionality forum owners and users would like to see in their software.

The developers are already aware.

This "you SMF devs meanies won't add my suggestion" has to stop, really. We are aware, in fact, we are beyond aware to the point of knowing whats factible and whats not, the does and dont's, the pros and cons, the limitations and all that.

Its not about not wanting to listen. It simply comes down to time constraints and manpower, thats all.

For 1 person who request adding X there are 10 that complains about delays and slow development :(
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on January 12, 2015, 01:14:21 PM
Thank you, Suki, for saying what I was trying to say - better than I said it.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Deaks on January 12, 2015, 01:15:05 PM
also as soon as Dev's implement one request then X amount will complain that their idea's wasn't implemented, so they have to decide what more people are wanting over the thought of 1 person.   End of day if only 1 person asks for a feature, and 25 ask for another then they are likely to more side with the 25 as its more asked for his assumes both idea's are feasible.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on January 12, 2015, 01:23:02 PM
or, even more annoying:

You did what I asked for, but not the way that I actually wanted.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Mojohaza1 on January 12, 2015, 04:13:48 PM
Is there an ETA for the release of the stable version?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on January 12, 2015, 04:18:17 PM
Only 'when it's done'. This is done by volunteers in their spare time, remember...
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: zappaDPJ on January 12, 2015, 07:29:23 PM
... please don't assume that it's undesirable addition to the core software ...

Not sure if you're talking to me (since you quoted me) or the software developers but if it's me, I honestly did not see why there was a desire for this. Your post shows me why. :)

I'm talking to anyone who will listen :) I think it's important that the developers are made aware of the kind of functionality forum owners and users would like to see in their software.

The developers are already aware.

This "you SMF devs meanies won't add my suggestion" has to stop, really. We are aware, in fact, we are beyond aware to the point of knowing whats factible and whats not, the does and dont's, the pros and cons, the limitations and all that.

Its not about not wanting to listen. It simply comes down to time constraints and manpower, thats all.

For 1 person who request adding X there are 10 that complains about delays and slow development :(

So what exactly are you saying? That suggestions for improvements are unwelcome? I'm not entirely stupid,  I donate a substantial amount of my free time working for a charitable trust. I also write and maintain a number of free to use add-ons as well as help maintain an influential admin forum. I fully appreciate the constraints placed on such services when they are provided free of charge. However, unlike yourselves I welcome suggestions and discussion on how I might improve upon the services I provide.

Let's be absolutely clear, I simply made a suggestion that might improve the functionality of the software. The fact that you have gone so quickly on the defensive speaks volumes.

Incidentally, I was asked to make this and a few other suggestions by one of your developers, I can now see I am wasting everybody's time. I won't bother you again.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on January 12, 2015, 07:37:20 PM
It is not that suggestions are unwelcome.
  The method of the suggestion and the fact that so folks harp on things is an ongoing issue, though...
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: zappaDPJ on January 12, 2015, 07:49:31 PM
It is not that suggestions are unwelcome.
  The method of the suggestion and the fact that so folks harp on things is an ongoing issue, though...

As I said, I was asked to post a number of suggestions by one of your developers. That's all. If there's a preferred method to facilitate this then I suggest you make that clear in some way because I'm not aware that I've breached any forum rules.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on January 12, 2015, 07:53:03 PM
You have not breached any rules... Just touched on a touchy subject in a somewhat "bull in a china shop" sort of way.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Night09 on January 12, 2015, 08:08:08 PM
There will always need to be a cutoff point for adding things to the core and unless something major was wrong its not likely to change.

Why not make a 2.1 wishlist of ideas not going into 2.1 to give mod writers ideas for future features.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Suki on January 12, 2015, 08:22:34 PM
... please don't assume that it's undesirable addition to the core software ...

Not sure if you're talking to me (since you quoted me) or the software developers but if it's me, I honestly did not see why there was a desire for this. Your post shows me why. :)

I'm talking to anyone who will listen :) I think it's important that the developers are made aware of the kind of functionality forum owners and users would like to see in their software.

The developers are already aware.

This "you SMF devs meanies won't add my suggestion" has to stop, really. We are aware, in fact, we are beyond aware to the point of knowing whats factible and whats not, the does and dont's, the pros and cons, the limitations and all that.

Its not about not wanting to listen. It simply comes down to time constraints and manpower, thats all.

For 1 person who request adding X there are 10 that complains about delays and slow development :(

So what exactly are you saying? That suggestions for improvements are unwelcome? I'm not entirely stupid,  I donate a substantial amount of my free time working for a charitable trust. I also write and maintain a number of free to use add-ons as well as help maintain an influential admin forum. I fully appreciate the constraints placed on such services when they are provided free of charge. However, unlike yourselves I welcome suggestions and discussion on how I might improve upon the services I provide.

Let's be absolutely clear, I simply made a suggestion that might improve the functionality of the software. The fact that you have gone so quickly on the defensive speaks volumes.

Incidentally, I was asked to make this and a few other suggestions by one of your developers, I can now see I am wasting everybody's time. I won't bother you again.

Ugh, thats NOT what I said.  I'm not being defensive, I'm stating the actual state of things. I have never said suggestions aren't welcome, I said that this mentality of "SMF don't want to add my suggestions" needs to stop because its FALSE.

I don't mind adding things, if people wants a time machine or an alchemy device to transmute iron into gold, then so be it, thing is,  there aren't enough hours in a day to actually build those things!  thats all I'm saying.

Geez!  and I thought we were having a nice conversation!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Mstcool on January 13, 2015, 12:23:41 AM
There will always need to be a cutoff point for adding things to the core and unless something major was wrong its not likely to change.

Why not make a 2.1 wishlist of ideas not going into 2.1 to give mod writers ideas for future features.

1+
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: GravuTrad on January 13, 2015, 09:15:01 PM
Not really happy by the php 5.3.8 minimum requirement (a server use differents scripts...with differents mini, or maxi requirements...) but i'll see...
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on January 13, 2015, 09:19:23 PM
Well, 5.3.8 came out in 2011. It is also no longer supported by the PHP team, with 5.6.4 being recommended, thought 5.5.20 and 5.4.36 are currently supported.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: GravuTrad on January 13, 2015, 10:21:13 PM
I know well. But it's a little like XP and now soon windows 7, hard to find some updates for certains scripts (not a lot maintained), on a server who host several sites in severals goals...but i'll find a solution. ;)   (updates must be done, simply at less for security)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on January 13, 2015, 10:21:58 PM
The change to 5.3.8 is not arbitrary, it allows for much stronger password security in SMF.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Jacen on January 14, 2015, 10:49:41 AM
I know well. But it's a little like XP and now soon windows 7, hard to find some updates for certains scripts (not a lot maintained), on a server who host several sites in severals goals...but i'll find a solution. ;)   (updates must be done, simply at less for security)

It is always best to use the latest version of system software. Especially software that may be exposed to the internet (like PHP, MySQL,Apache, and of course, SMF, are).

Regarding Windows, XP was fine while Microsoft was still patching it, but now that they are not, it should be abandoned, as should 7 when they drop that. :\ Personally, i'm waiting to see if 10 brings back the 7 feel before i decide if i want to change my gaming PC to OSX or Linux.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on January 14, 2015, 10:53:47 AM
I would not encourage changing a gaming PC to anything other than Windows unless you can get native versions of your games, simply because my experience of getting gaming going on those platforms is... sub-ideal. I found all too often the best way to get games working was to run Windows in a Parallels container, with all the attendant performance issues such that Boot Camp was preferable.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Night09 on January 14, 2015, 12:04:44 PM
Windows 7 for gaming all the way. 
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: jakes_t on January 16, 2015, 06:11:24 AM
Congrats guys! It looks very nice from what I've seen on the demo site. Nice clean layout and the likes function is cool (the slightly 'flatter' design of curve1 is probably more in line with today's trends but curve2 has a nice feel to it).

Some feedback, I do miss the accessibility of the recent posts on top:
(https://www.simplemachines.org/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi62.tinypic.com%2F2who3e0.png&hash=86b5c6dbdd9d4dfbfd15a83f97f61e02)

I'll load it up on a demo and import a live db to see if anything breaks! ;D
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Antes on January 16, 2015, 06:15:33 AM
Its actually moved to link tree, as "Unread Posts" - "Updated Topics"
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: jakes_t on January 16, 2015, 06:23:02 AM
Ah! Spotted it now, a bit hidden. Would be nice to have it all together with you profile, messages and alerts area..:

(https://www.simplemachines.org/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi62.tinypic.com%2F2ly1y60.png&hash=b57f735aa455056eebb76b90b1a033ac)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Antes on January 16, 2015, 06:32:19 AM
I think I can make that as modification :) , not the mention its so easy to add buttons to there.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: jakes_t on January 16, 2015, 06:55:48 AM
 8) You're pretty handy! I think it looks better and makes more sense, the user's dashboard with the daily useful links in one place 8)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on January 16, 2015, 10:26:36 AM
The mentality involved is that the stuff up there is 'user stuff', while the page below the title is 'site stuff' if that makes sense.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: totaltutankoll on January 26, 2015, 11:33:00 AM
Looks really good on paper!  :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Steve on January 27, 2015, 07:40:07 AM
Why would you print it? :P
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on January 27, 2015, 07:43:33 AM
Print it out, put it on a wooden table, photograph it and email the photograph to someone?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Mstcool on January 27, 2015, 07:50:09 AM
Print it out, pass it around to people and they can reply to different threads :P

Or they can create a new theme... On paper :P


I once printed a site template (a few months ago) but that was cuz I was gonna modify it and stuff and then change it on the computer afterwards lool.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Antes on January 27, 2015, 08:00:04 AM
damn why I always miss the fun!
Title: Selam
Post by: YLDRMYGT on January 29, 2015, 05:36:41 AM
Sayfada Türkçe bilen birileri varmı

Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: margarett on January 29, 2015, 05:44:24 AM
Please use English in these boards.
For Turkish support, check http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?board=76.0
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: RSI on February 06, 2015, 11:02:33 AM
also as soon as Dev's implement one request then X amount will complain that their idea's wasn't implemented, so they have to decide what more people are wanting over the thought of 1 person.   End of day if only 1 person asks for a feature, and 25 ask for another then they are likely to more side with the 25 as its more asked for his assumes both idea's are feasible.

God.., are you guys still arguing and/or mad about the In-Line attachments request?

I can assure you that there are a lot more than just 25 people who would like to see it added in v2.1 and if it delays the release, so what?

A lot of people just never come in here and say anything because it makes them feel like they are wasting their time because the response they receive is never pleasant.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Deaks on February 06, 2015, 12:06:46 PM
no no-one is arguing your quoting something from last month when the request was a hot topic ... bravo btw aint you clever!

The figures I used are not literal but more an example!  Shocking you are only person who didnt pick up on that!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on February 06, 2015, 02:05:13 PM
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I can assure you that there are a lot more than just 25 people who would like to see it added in v2.1 and if it delays the release, so what?

Because if you keep making that argument, you NEVER release anything, because you're always pushing it out further and further for features.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: RSI on February 06, 2015, 02:42:32 PM
no no-one is arguing your quoting something from last month when the request was a hot topic ... bravo btw aint you clever!

The figures I used are not literal but more an example!  Shocking you are only person who didnt pick up on that!

The request was a hot topic more than a year ago and it went nowhere really fast.

It obvious its never going to be included or ever will be, but that still won't erase the fact people do want it.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Steve on February 06, 2015, 03:45:52 PM
I can assure you that there are a lot more than just 25 people who would like to see it added in v2.1 ...

A lot of people just never come in here and say anything because it makes them feel like they are wasting their time because the response they receive is never pleasant.

I'd be interested in knowing how you know that. :P
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Deaks on February 06, 2015, 05:19:49 PM
The request was a hot topic more than a year ago and it went nowhere really fast.

It obvious its never going to be included or ever will be, but that still won't erase the fact people do want it.

The vocal MINORITY want it, not the majority of people.  This is a concept it seems you fail to grasp.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: RSI on February 06, 2015, 05:38:36 PM
marg edit: Free aggression removed
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: margarett on February 06, 2015, 05:48:21 PM
So... Enough is enough. Please, move on. Or get a room :P
Every next post about this pointless discussion will be removed. Features request board is right over there, thank you very much :)

Back in topic, please. SMF B1 was released! Yay! ;D
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: WillyP on February 06, 2015, 07:57:35 PM
Installed, (test server) everything looks good... really good..., congrats, and...

A big Thank You to all of you who have put so much time and effort into making this work!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Jacen on February 07, 2015, 10:56:19 AM
I've been using 2.1B1 on a test server for a month now and it works beautifully. Naturally the test server doesn't have any high loads so i haven't tested it under stress.

It obvious its never going to be included or ever will be, but that still won't erase the fact people do want it.

The good thing about software like SMF is if you want a feature that the devs won't or can't add, mod it in.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: stmaxx on February 13, 2015, 06:15:36 PM
Don't know if anyone cares what I have to say, but I had the 2.1 Beta one up form the time I saw the 2.1 beta available,
Live on the net, customized 4 themes , working on #5 added a portal and a few mods with no issues, a few errors in the log with, because me.

I feel as I can see it , that its ready! But I'm not a coder and not certain about the security, but seems no good so far.
I don't see any need for any more features at this point, that are really needed. ( this is really what I was try to say all along!
I myself feel that any other changes other than Security fixes, ( if need) should be on a wish list of some sort for the 3.0 Version.
I away though the Beta was for us to use and test real life, before the next step. I mean must other software I test is this way!
Sorry about all the I's but think many would be delighted to see it move on to the next step.

Not sure how many are test it like I am but please speak up if you are!

Looking good to me and thanks for all you do!

regards,
Maxx
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Synergy Hub on February 14, 2015, 07:57:19 PM
Just a simple patient question... any ETA on full release? 

We have been holding off on production changes waiting for it to arrive.. and I just need to give the team a clue if possible.

Alan
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Deaks on February 14, 2015, 08:01:44 PM
simply no

SMF has never given release dates and never will, I can tell you this though.  It will be finished before SMF 3.0!
Title: Re: Simply No
Post by: Synergy Hub on February 14, 2015, 08:17:56 PM
 8) I'm a firm believer in "it is done when it is done" mindset too.. but I also believe in "this is where we are, and how we are doing" communications.  Even a simple "maybe 2 qtr if all continues as planned" types of messages help a LOT. 

I picked SMF  because it does not change every 10 seconds.. I consider that a good thing.  But I do like a light at the end of the tunnel.. and a guess as to how long far along that tunnel we are.

So let me ask this way... since we are new to SMF..  Historically... Generally.... how long after a Beta 1 is announced has a full release happened in the past.. 

simply no

SMF has never given release dates and never will, I can tell you this though.  It will be finished before SMF 3.0!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Deaks on February 14, 2015, 08:23:17 PM
for 1.1 it was 18 months
for 2.0 just under 3 years

Its too early to say but more bugs people report or help fix the quicker it will be.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on February 14, 2015, 08:24:37 PM
Even that estimate would be pointless, because we have a completely different set of developers from the past releases...   Additionally, we are all volunteers, so how much time gets spent on development in any given week depends on what our dev folks are doing on and offline that week.



As runic notes, we never have and never will even give an estimate on a release date..
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Synergy Hub on February 14, 2015, 08:30:08 PM
Thank you.  That helps us a lot knowing that.   Understood totally.

for 1.1 it was 18 months
for 2.0 just under 3 years

Its too early to say but more bugs people report or help fix the quicker it will be.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Synergy Hub on February 14, 2015, 08:34:38 PM
Having personally been a major player in similar volunteer development projects (hardware & software) I know how that goes..   Great feedback... thank you. 

Even that estimate would be pointless, because we have a completely different set of developers from the past releases...   Additionally, we are all volunteers, so how much time gets spent on development in any given week depends on what our dev folks are doing on and offline that week.

As runic notes, we never have and never will even give an estimate on a release date..
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: PLAYBOY on February 19, 2015, 01:01:02 AM
I think a FB style tagging system would have been nice also. So you`ll know if someone is talking about you in another post.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: margarett on February 19, 2015, 04:41:45 AM
But there is one ;) Not with your name directly, but preceded by @
;)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: PLAYBOY on February 19, 2015, 08:29:27 AM
You mean without a mod ? if I write someones name with @ in font then that person will get a notification?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Bigguy on February 19, 2015, 09:19:23 AM
Yup. :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Burke ♞ Knight on February 19, 2015, 09:29:44 AM
I'm not certain, but you may need to use the person's username and not display name.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Illori on February 19, 2015, 09:34:47 AM
you use the display name, not the username unless both happen to be the exact same name.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Burke ♞ Knight on February 19, 2015, 09:42:22 AM
Ahhh... Okay... Just that I believe some mods used username, so did not know what the 2.1 mentions used.
Thank you for clarifying. :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Illori on February 19, 2015, 09:45:28 AM
Ahhh... Okay... Just that I believe some mods used username, so did not know what the 2.1 mentions used.
Thank you for clarifying. :)

then that mod must be useless, as if the username and display name are different the username is not shown to anyone but the user and admin.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: PLAYBOY on February 19, 2015, 11:19:10 AM
Ok I`m kinda confused by the above answers. So do I have to install a mod for this or is it already built in and I can use it in any theme?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Deaks on February 19, 2015, 11:23:37 AM
best bet try a test install and see all the features for yourself :P
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Steve on February 19, 2015, 11:35:37 AM
Bryan's right of course, that is the best way. But just to clarify, the answer to your questions "You mean without a mod ? if I write someones name with @ in font then that person will get a notification?" is yes, as long as you use their display name. :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on February 19, 2015, 01:33:48 PM
and even more importantly... 2.1 is still in BETA....   this means that you should not be using it on a production site.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Deaks on February 19, 2015, 05:46:54 PM
and even more importantly... 2.1 is still in BETA....   this means that you should not be using it on a production site.

darn and I just updated my site I didnt really
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on February 20, 2015, 12:58:50 AM
Yes but your site has people who can squish bugs when they appear...
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: PLAYBOY on February 20, 2015, 09:55:39 AM
I think it could be better instead of having @, it picked up the username while you type like in Facebook. If you have a friend name John and you`re writing something about John, it finds him and asks you to tag right away.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Suki on February 20, 2015, 10:05:32 AM
I think it could be better instead of having @, it picked up the username while you type like in Facebook. If you have a friend name John and you`re writing something about John, it finds him and asks you to tag right away.

That would be highly impractical,  imagine if you have an user whos display/uesername is "the" or some other common word in your forum's language?


Anyway, the script already picks up the display name as you type it (as in it gives you suggestions based on what you typed), really, the beta has been up for quite a long time now, go install a demo forum and test the mention feature for yourself.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Mstcool on February 21, 2015, 03:12:32 AM
I think it could be better instead of having @, it picked up the username while you type like in Facebook. If you have a friend name John and you`re writing something about John, it finds him and asks you to tag right away.

That would be highly impractical,  imagine if you have an user whos display/uesername is "the" or some other common word in your forum's language?


Anyway, the script already picks up the display name as you type it (as in it gives you suggestions based on what you typed), really, the beta has been up for quite a long time now, go install a demo forum and test the mention feature for yourself.

What if ur display name changes? Do the names in previous mentioned replies stay the same or change? Will be link to the new name or what? And what if someone chooses the previous name? Then what? Just curious lool :P
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: ѕησω on February 21, 2015, 03:19:24 AM
Stay the same. However since the member ID stays the same, the link will still work.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Suki on February 21, 2015, 02:01:04 PM
I think it could be better instead of having @, it picked up the username while you type like in Facebook. If you have a friend name John and you`re writing something about John, it finds him and asks you to tag right away.

That would be highly impractical,  imagine if you have an user whos display/uesername is "the" or some other common word in your forum's language?


Anyway, the script already picks up the display name as you type it (as in it gives you suggestions based on what you typed), really, the beta has been up for quite a long time now, go install a demo forum and test the mention feature for yourself.

What if ur display name changes? Do the names in previous mentioned replies stay the same or change? Will be link to the new name or what? And what if someone chooses the previous name? Then what? Just curious lool :P

It can be done, the id is all thats needed to get an always updated display name but due to performance, it is not done that way.

When you are mentioning someone it will always show the current display name that particular user has so you can't really chose a past username because it won't show up.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Steve on February 21, 2015, 02:25:47 PM
When you are mentioning someone it will always show the current display name that particular user has so you can't really chose a past username because it won't show up.

The question is though ... someone posted @ Suki yesterday but today you change your name to Amaya ... what shows in yesterday's post? Suki or Amaya?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Suki on February 21, 2015, 02:30:29 PM
It will show Suki, thats for performance but it is relatively easy to make SMF to always show the updated name if you wish to do so, of course if you don't mind the performance hit on your server.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: margarett on February 21, 2015, 02:36:24 PM
It's like when you quote.
If you quote me now you'll get "margarett". If I change my name to "SportingAllez" ( ;D ) you will still find a quote by margarett ;)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Steve on February 21, 2015, 02:52:12 PM
Thanks for explaining it, both of you. :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Mstcool on February 22, 2015, 02:46:15 AM
Oh, I totally forgot about the member ID thing. Thanks for the explanation, everyone! :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Mr. Jinx on February 24, 2015, 02:53:35 AM
The mention mod (@user) seems to be extremely popular. It's the only thing people test on my demo forum and we have seen quite some posts about it in this topic.
Just release SMF 2.0+ with mentions build in and everybody is happy for the time being ;-)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Steve on February 24, 2015, 08:47:33 AM
A lot of us don't need/use it so why create a major release in between the established version and the one being worked on. Just add it yourself. :)

http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?action=search;basic_search=mention
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Deaks on February 24, 2015, 09:52:42 AM
Just release SMF 2.0+ with mentions build in and everybody is happy for the time being ;-)

I wouldn't hold your breathe, 2.0 is feature frozen and only security updates are being done.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Mr. Jinx on February 24, 2015, 10:29:53 AM
I wasn't serious guys.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Steve on February 24, 2015, 10:35:01 AM
Oops ... hard to tell sometimes. ;D
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Stüldt Håjt on February 25, 2015, 06:15:21 AM
Is here a board or a topic where I can give feedback about the 2.1? Support or bug report boards doesn't sound appropriate for it.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Steve on February 25, 2015, 08:59:43 AM
If you're not talking bugs then SMF 2.1.x Support (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?board=254.0) seems to me to be the place. If not, they'll move it and let you know differently.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: DEK24 on March 04, 2015, 12:04:17 AM
Any time table on releasing full version of this?

Dying to get a responsive theme.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Bigguy on March 04, 2015, 12:05:32 AM
Nope, no release date is ever put out for any version of SMF.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: DEK24 on March 04, 2015, 12:21:22 AM
Nope, no release date is ever put out for any version of SMF.

Not even ballpark? 2015?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on March 04, 2015, 12:55:32 AM
No, not even ballpark. Consider that the team is made up of volunteers doing it in their spare time. Their real lives always come first.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Steve on March 04, 2015, 08:42:55 AM
Having been a member for 6 and a half years, I'm surprised you would even ask that. :P ;)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: DEK24 on March 04, 2015, 09:31:52 AM
Having been a member for 6 and a half years, I'm surprised you would even ask that. :P ;)

I don't think it's out of the question to inquire.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: DEK24 on March 04, 2015, 09:46:20 AM
No, not even ballpark. Consider that the team is made up of volunteers doing it in their spare time. Their real lives always come first.

I understand that and realize work gets done in waves which is why I donate annually. However I'm assuming you'd at least have some sort of goal/target for achieving this.

If you don't wish to release that info publicly I guess it is what it is. You should be able to answer this though. How long was 2.0 in beta before full version?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Suki on March 04, 2015, 09:56:19 AM
2.0 and 2.1 are 2 different things with 2 different overall goals and the time spent on 2.0 cannot be realistically used to measure 2.1.

Internal goals are just that, internal, never meant to be made public as that causes a lot of undesired effects.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: DEK24 on March 04, 2015, 02:31:52 PM
2.0 and 2.1 are 2 different things with 2 different overall goals and the time spent on 2.0 cannot be realistically used to measure 2.1.

Internal goals are just that, internal, never meant to be made public as that causes a lot of undesired effects.


So how long did 2.0 take?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Deaks on March 04, 2015, 04:56:41 PM
3 years from the announcement to the stable release.  But it was started a year or two before the announcement.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Steve on March 04, 2015, 06:18:16 PM
Having been a member for 6 and a half years, I'm surprised you would even ask that. :P ;)

I don't think it's out of the question to inquire.

I was just teasing dude. Meant no offense. :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: DEK24 on March 04, 2015, 06:37:50 PM
3 years from the announcement to the stable release.  But it was started a year or two before the announcement.

Good to know. Thanks
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on March 04, 2015, 07:14:20 PM
And yet, that information means absolutely nothing....
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Arantor on March 06, 2015, 04:05:24 PM
Yup, considering what happened in the time, that there have been several complete changes of development team... yup, means absolutely nothing informationwise.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: yashdeepsahni on March 08, 2015, 01:02:08 PM
Nice thing to  use but is it tuff to understand
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Deaks on March 08, 2015, 01:06:05 PM
abit like your post hard to understand what you are on about :P
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: TomW on March 18, 2015, 06:07:50 PM
I cannot wait for the next release !  It's exciting to see the new features.  I have been testing 2.1 beta on a non-production site and it is working very well. 
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: alastairbrian on March 19, 2015, 01:36:07 AM
Really a good work SimpleMachines team is doing. This version is full?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Deaks on March 19, 2015, 03:16:01 AM
This version is full as in its all their file wise, but its not a full stable release that is a while away, its still in development stages.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Shambles on March 19, 2015, 04:04:08 AM
Beware he who spammeth, Bryan  8)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Deaks on March 19, 2015, 07:18:00 AM
what you? :P
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: KnownSyntax on March 25, 2015, 12:11:29 AM
Sweet! The new theme looks amazing and really ties together everything including with the new features.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: meirav on April 01, 2015, 03:24:37 PM
Is there going to be a RC or at least another beta anytime soon?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on April 01, 2015, 03:32:41 PM
beta 2 will be out at some point.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Masterd on April 02, 2015, 04:18:05 PM
beta 2 will be out at some point.

Well, that's reassuring. But do you expect to have a plethora of release candidates?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on April 02, 2015, 05:36:29 PM
We don't know... It really depends on a lot of things
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: GaziSalahuddin on April 04, 2015, 03:25:28 AM
Thank you and your team very much. The new theme looks amazing. It's exciting to see the new features. Congrats to your team. Nice job.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: ismail11 on April 05, 2015, 01:22:57 AM
Many many thanks
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Motahhari on April 09, 2015, 09:18:55 AM
Is there any main change in database structure?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Night09 on April 09, 2015, 09:26:58 AM
Is there any main change in database structure?

Read the first post and then click the link that tells you all about what has been done. The database has changed though yes and once upgraded going back is as painfull as sticking nails in your eyes. ;)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: intersmart on April 10, 2015, 07:38:46 AM
Very Nice
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Diabolico on April 10, 2015, 06:54:46 PM
Please remember that the minimum requirements of SMF have been increased to PHP 5.3.8+ and MySQL 5.0.3+ or PostgresSQL 8.0+.
So anyone with Centos 6 is out of the story. Redhat almost never update the versions of the packages they ship once a product is released and what they do is to backport the fix to the older release. That means whoever is using Centos 6 (php 5.3.3) need to upgrade php by using repo from Atomic what could open a door to a lot of problems. Sorry but no forum software is worth the risk to shut down my server because something went bad during the installation of unsupported updates.
Even upgrading to Centos 7 could break everything plus there are still some problems with this release, e.g. one of them is good part of supporting software is still in beta or non-existent (for now) including some major control panels like cPanel. Maybe is worth to rethink if this requirements are good to keep.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: margarett on April 10, 2015, 07:28:00 PM
You do know that PHP 5.3.8 was released in 23 August 2011 and that it is officially unsupported since 14 Aug 2014? ;)
Not trying to be funny. Most recent forum softwares do require recent PHP versions, really.

That was very debated inside the team, believe me. Anyone should be running at least PHP 5.5 these days.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Mr. Jinx on April 11, 2015, 09:26:05 AM
Please remember that the minimum requirements of SMF have been increased to PHP 5.3.8+ and MySQL 5.0.3+ or PostgresSQL 8.0+.
So anyone with Centos 6 is out of the story. Redhat almost never update the versions of the packages they ship once a product is released and what they do is to backport the fix to the older release. That means whoever is using Centos 6 (php 5.3.3) need to upgrade php by using repo from Atomic what could open a door to a lot of problems. Sorry but no forum software is worth the risk to shut down my server because something went bad during the installation of unsupported updates.
Even upgrading to Centos 7 could break everything plus there are still some problems with this release, e.g. one of them is good part of supporting software is still in beta or non-existent (for now) including some major control panels like cPanel. Maybe is worth to rethink if this requirements are good to keep.
Why don't you compile PHP 5.5?

Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: thoughtslover on April 11, 2015, 11:49:06 AM
thanks
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Dragooon on April 11, 2015, 01:14:24 PM
Please remember that the minimum requirements of SMF have been increased to PHP 5.3.8+ and MySQL 5.0.3+ or PostgresSQL 8.0+.
So anyone with Centos 6 is out of the story. Redhat almost never update the versions of the packages they ship once a product is released and what they do is to backport the fix to the older release. That means whoever is using Centos 6 (php 5.3.3) need to upgrade php by using repo from Atomic what could open a door to a lot of problems. Sorry but no forum software is worth the risk to shut down my server because something went bad during the installation of unsupported updates.
Even upgrading to Centos 7 could break everything plus there are still some problems with this release, e.g. one of them is good part of supporting software is still in beta or non-existent (for now) including some major control panels like cPanel. Maybe is worth to rethink if this requirements are good to keep.
Sorry, but we have to draw a line. 5.3.8 is EOL, and it has been for a while. We're not looking to go below that.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Kindred on April 11, 2015, 02:57:43 PM
Please remember that the minimum requirements of SMF have been increased to PHP 5.3.8+ and MySQL 5.0.3+ or PostgresSQL 8.0+.
So anyone with Centos 6 is out of the story. Redhat almost never update the versions of the packages they ship once a product is released and what they do is to backport the fix to the older release. That means whoever is using Centos 6 (php 5.3.3) need to upgrade php by using repo from Atomic what could open a door to a lot of problems. Sorry but no forum software is worth the risk to shut down my server because something went bad during the installation of unsupported updates.
Even upgrading to Centos 7 could break everything plus there are still some problems with this release, e.g. one of them is good part of supporting software is still in beta or non-existent (for now) including some major control panels like cPanel. Maybe is worth to rethink if this requirements are good to keep.

Plain and simple... we assume that anyone who is running our software will be running a modern system.  This means that we won't support php v2 either...   

If you refuse to keep your systems updated and therefore leave your sites open for possible hacks and unable to utilize new functionality introduced to systems, then you will not be able to run the modern forum systems either.

Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: CoreISP on April 11, 2015, 08:48:20 PM
Quote
So anyone with Centos 6 is out of the story.

As Mr. Jinx also pointed out, nothing is stopping you from compiling (or use an RPM) a more recent PHP and/or Apache and/or mySQL version.
That the basic CentOS repository doesn't contain a newer PHP version, doesn't mean it can't run. :)
There's a lot of (new) software not in the CentOS repository. If that meant it can't run, I don't think there would be many people using CentOS. :P

You're also not forced to use a specific repository or even enable that repository for everything. So the Atomic story is inaccurate.
You can just get the packages you need and install those...

I have a lot of CentOS 6 servers, but none of them run 5.3.x any more (certainly not 5.2...); and no mySQL 5.0 anymore either. I think that actually goes for most server admins.
Especially hosting providers use CentOS 6, but most of them are certainly not hanging on PHP 5.3 & mySQL 5.0; unless requested or required.
Heck, speaking of hosting; software like cPanel even warns you not to compile 5.3 but nudges you to select 5.4 or 5.5 instead; and by default won't even install mySQL 5.0.x anymore but installs a more recent version.

There's plenty of options, and thus "anyone with CentOS 6 is out of the story" is highly inaccurate.
In fact, most people with/on a server running CentOS 6 are probably perfectly able to run SMF 2.1. But yeah, if you keep the server to only use the CentOS repository and don't compile/update anything manually: it may indeed have some very old software...
That's by choice though, not by limitation! I think it's unwise to rely on those repos for Apache, PHP and mySQL unless you have no other choice.

If you know how to admin your server, there is no risk of shutting your server down... (or well... Not a higher risk than normal. When you install something from the repo it could go bad just as well. ;) So the risk level is "minimal to non-existent".)
Note that i'm talking about more recent STABLE versions of PHP. But if you start installing beta/bleeding edge software: yes, THAT would be a risk.

That CentOS doesn't have it in its repositories and thus is officially "not supported" (meaning: CentOS doesn't contain it by default.), absolutely does *not* mean it's not safe to use... Hence why the majority of CentOS 6 servers out there in the website hosting production server area will be running higher versions of PHP/mySQL... With absolutely no problems whatsoever.
Don't be too afraid. :) If you need help installing it, just open a topic in the Server Configuration board here.

It's how CentOS has always worked. It comes out with a set of packages that will hardly change after release of the OS, mostly just security fixes indeed. That's because for some applications: it's crucial a server is setup and then doesn't change anymore, other than incidental kernel and security patches.
When you use CentOS as a production server solely to host websites however, it's not really important that you stay on those old versions; unless the software you use on your site is so old that you can't upgrade... When that's not the case: nothing should be stopping you from upgrading beyond what CentOS has in its repos. That might actually be more of a problem/risk than simply upgrading.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: 青山 素子 on April 25, 2015, 01:13:15 AM
Please remember that the minimum requirements of SMF have been increased to PHP 5.3.8+ and MySQL 5.0.3+ or PostgresSQL 8.0+.
So anyone with Centos 6 is out of the story. Redhat almost never update the versions of the packages they ship once a product is released and what they do is to backport the fix to the older release. That means whoever is using Centos 6 (php 5.3.3) need to upgrade php by using repo from Atomic what could open a door to a lot of problems. Sorry but no forum software is worth the risk to shut down my server because something went bad during the installation of unsupported updates.

RedHat published "php54" packages some time ago for EL6. CentOS, being a community rebuild, has the same packages too.

I do not recommend using Atomic. If you want updated packages using something more tested, use IUS (https://iuscommunity.org/), which is managed by Rackspace (and used for their customers).
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Deprecated on May 04, 2015, 11:13:29 PM
I know this topic goes on an on... but I just want to express my appreciation for the nice improvements in features and in the default theme in 2.1.

I will happily go to 2.1 on my production forums as soon as a production capable version is released.

Good work developers! You guys rock!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: smap on May 12, 2015, 05:33:58 AM
At least Oracle Linux 6.6 has php 5.3.8 available to install - http://public-yum.oracle.com/repo/OracleLinux/OL6/6/base/x86_64/ (http://public-yum.oracle.com/repo/OracleLinux/OL6/6/base/x86_64/)

http://public-yum.oracle.com/repo/OracleLinux/OL6/6/base/x86_64/getPackage/php-5.3.3-38.el6.x86_64.rpm (http://public-yum.oracle.com/repo/OracleLinux/OL6/6/base/x86_64/getPackage/php-5.3.3-38.el6.x86_64.rpm)

Oracle Linux is like CentOS, basically Oracle just modifies (puts their logo) and compiles the source from RedHat. You should be able to use the oracle linux packages on CentOS

Orcale has a Public yum were you can get all compiled packages - http://public-yum.oracle.com (http://public-yum.oracle.com)/ - and as far as I know you can intall/use Oracle Linux freely as long as you don't require support
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: 青山 素子 on May 12, 2015, 02:27:35 PM
php-5.3.3-38.el6.x86_64.rpm

That's 5.3.3, not 5.3.8.

Also, given Oracle's rather aggressive moves in the open source community, I'd stay clear of their Linux distribution, even if it is just a rebuild of RHEL. Also, I don't see the php54 packages in their update area.

I stand by my recommendation above. Use the php54 packages from RHEL or CentOS 6 or use the IUS repo to install a newer PHP release. IUS is designed specifically to not replace a bunch of system packages, so it's fairly safe to leave enabled and use.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: smap on May 13, 2015, 02:53:01 AM
Lol ... I need to learn how to read again, you are absolutely right (my bad)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: .Vapor on May 14, 2015, 10:42:46 AM
Updates are great BUT :

Using smf on a project site is still a no-go for me due to the aged look of smf.
When and Where is the major update to the look and feel of SMF?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Illori on May 14, 2015, 10:44:19 AM
there are no planned changes to the look or feel of 2.1.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Deaks on May 14, 2015, 02:08:03 PM
Updates are great BUT :

Using smf on a project site is still a no-go for me due to the aged look of smf.
When and Where is the major update to the look and feel of SMF?

Look of SMF is not really something to hold off with considering the look can be changed ;)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Jacen on May 16, 2015, 05:17:44 AM
Updates are great BUT :

Using smf on a project site is still a no-go for me due to the aged look of smf.
When and Where is the major update to the look and feel of SMF?

Make your own theme, or use one of the many ones hosted on the mod/theme section of this site :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Steve on May 16, 2015, 07:09:44 AM
... use one of the many ones hosted on the mod/theme section of this site :)

That's going to be a bit difficult as there are no 2.1 specific links on either site ...
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: engrz on May 17, 2015, 12:34:55 AM
Thats really a nice step.
Congratulations to the whole team.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Jacen on May 19, 2015, 05:02:28 AM
... use one of the many ones hosted on the mod/theme section of this site :)

That's going to be a bit difficult as there are no 2.1 specific links on either site ...

*whispers* I meant when 2.1 official goes gold... To quote the first post in this thread:
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Warning! This is just the first beta! There ARE bugs and incomplete features; it is not recommended that you run this release on a live/production site.

:)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: sr4314 on May 30, 2015, 12:53:04 PM
this is really good news
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Mojohaza1 on June 07, 2015, 10:34:41 PM
Do we have an ETA on final release yet? or for Beta 2 as the name implies more than one??  8)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Deaks on June 07, 2015, 10:45:48 PM
As its been said already multiple times in this topic, and thousands of times over the years, SMF does not give release dates, it will be ready when it is ready and it will be released sometime between now and never.  So please don't hold your breathe as we don't want you to suffocate.  But so you know recent github release says Beta2 so that will be out id guess before New Year.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Colin on June 12, 2015, 01:17:30 AM
Do we have an ETA on final release yet? or for Beta 2 as the name implies more than one??  8)

Beta 2 is close.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: carbonize on June 12, 2015, 05:14:59 AM
For those going on about an ETA I look at it this way. This release of SMF will be here before a certain splinter groups forum gets it's initial release out of beta.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: stmaxx on June 12, 2015, 05:43:08 PM
I'm still content with the 2.0.10 and the responsive mod, I'm most certain that many will continue with this version for some time come and many are still happy to support it. even after the new version arrives, so I started back making themes again, as with some others I know. so no rush!

If you test other forums as I do, you'll see, there is nothing like SMF and the portals/mods that work with it :)
month ago I though I had found one, but wrong wrong wrong!

Still playing with the 2.1 themes as well but just for fun!

regards,
Maxx
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Deprecated on June 17, 2015, 12:39:06 AM
Updates are great BUT :

Using smf on a project site is still a no-go for me due to the aged look of smf.
When and Where is the major update to the look and feel of SMF?

SMF with default themes just isn't viable except for bare bones forums. That's what themes are for. Everybody recognizes plain Jane SMF as just plain. "Not plain" was never in the plans just like having every possible option was never in the plans.

The themers make the good themes. I've seen forums that were hardly recognizable as SMF because of the fancy dress-up job the theme did for it. Same for mods, I'm one of the modders, and I write mods that the SMF developers either didn't think of or (more likely) didn't think most SMF operators would want.

The SMF devs provide the bare bones. It's up to you to customize it with a theme of your preference, and add the mod packages that provide the features you want.

I'm starting my biggest project yet late summer or fall, hoping it will be BIG. With what I've gained writing mods for SMF and operating a forum here, a forum there, and the server work I've been doing recently (Debian) I finally have the skills necessary to launch a BIG project.

I'll admit I'd use vBulletin because vB (again with the right theme) is ideal for my project, but I know the guts inside SMF and what will make my site truly distinct is two major modifications (bigger than I've ever attempted, and both in alpha stage) which will be the vital part of my forum and will separate it from the pack.

I know I have no chance of writing those mods for vBulletin. I'll just dress up my SMF with a good theme and add all my favorite mods written by my favorite mod package author! ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Deprecated on June 17, 2015, 12:45:36 AM
As its been said already multiple times in this topic, and thousands of times over the years, SMF does not give release dates, it will be ready when it is ready and it will be released sometime between now and never.  So please don't hold your breathe as we don't want you to suffocate.  But so you know recent github release says Beta2 so that will be out id guess before New Year.

Well said. SMF 2.1 (or any release) is like watching a train way, way off in the distance. You see it's moving but it's so far away it seems like it will be eternity until it will reach you. And then suddenly WHAM! get out of the way or you'll be run over!!!!

I started back when 2.0 was in beta. Each step was agonizing. Then one day BAM! and we had a production rated release!

2.1 already looks great to me. I know I'll like it when it comes out of beta stage, I'm already running it on a 2-man work coordination forum and I love it! I just wish it will come out in time for my new project.

My new project is staged for late this year. Let's hope 2.1 is ready late this year too. Not knowing a thing about what the devs are doing, that would be my guess. Some time very late in the year. Make that a wild axx guess! :D
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: cpf on June 20, 2015, 11:55:05 PM
Considering that it's done by a group of volunteers doing this in the spare time - and they do all have other real lives to contend with (little things like jobs get in the way of stuff like this)...

Y'all need to speed it up.  I'm waiting...
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: 青山 素子 on June 21, 2015, 12:32:40 AM
Y'all need to speed it up.  I'm waiting...

Feel free to either hire a developer to help contribute or contribute yourself. That'll speed things up. If you want the other volunteers to speed themselves up, that's more than just a little entitled.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Deaks on June 21, 2015, 09:10:52 AM
Y'all need to speed it up.  I'm waiting...

Patience is a virtue ... learn it!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Steve on June 21, 2015, 09:35:12 AM
I'm thinking that was tongue-in-cheek ... I would hope so anyway. :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: 青山 素子 on June 21, 2015, 02:43:15 PM
I'm thinking that was tongue-in-cheek ... I would hope so anyway. :)

Poe's Law (http://"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law")
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: Steve on June 21, 2015, 04:31:00 PM
One too many http's in there. ;)

Poe's Law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: beyondperfect on June 25, 2015, 12:31:31 AM
Thats really a nice step.
Congratulations to the whole team.   ;D
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 1 Released
Post by: CoreISP on June 27, 2015, 03:24:54 PM
We thank everyone for their kind words on this major milestone, and the appreciation uttered towards the team! :)
We appreciate all the feedback, and we continue to work on our next great product: SMF 2.1.
Thank you for your enthusiasm, contributions and patience!

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