Dear Users,
Simple Machines is proud to announce the release of the 2nd beta of SMF 2.1. This version contains many improvements over Beta 1 and also fixes many bugs that were discovered following its release. Among the notable improvements:
- There is now an interface in the admin center for configuring default notification/alert preferences.
- For new installs, MySQL's InnoDB storage engine is used by default if available. This will provide better performance.
- Support for fulltext search with InnoDB tables on MySQL 5.6.4 or higher.
- Optional two-factor authentication (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-factor_authentication) support for added security.
For full details of what has changed, please see our GitHub archive (http://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1).
Please remember that the
minimum requirements of SMF have been increased to
PHP 5.3.8+ and
MySQL 5.0.3+ or
PostgresSQL 8.0+. Servers running a lower version of either will not be able to run SMF 2.1 and we do not intend to support them. If you have a server running an older version, you can either upgrade your server software or stay at an older version of SMF. SMF 2.1 has also dropped support for IE6 and IE7 but will continue to work with IE9+ (although IE10+ is really recommended) and browsers having similar/fuller standards compliance (any modern version of Chrome, Safari, Firefox, Opera etc will be fine).
The general installation and upgrading procedure remains the same, however,
once you upgrade from an older version to 2.1 you cannot go back, so please take careful consideration before upgrading any live site.. Have a look at Installing and Upgrading SMF (http://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/Category:Installing_and_Upgrading) in the Online Manual to
find out more. You cannot upgrade to 2.1 Beta 2 via the package manager; instead you will need to
carry out the "Large Upgrade" process. SMF 2.1 can be obtained from the Download section (http://download.simplemachines.org/).
Please note: Because this is a beta release, translations and language strings other than English have not been finalized and may not be complete yet.
Finally, as always, this topic is not for support; discussion and support for 2.1 can be found in the new 2.1 support board (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?board=254.0).
Good choice for storage engine.
Awesome. Kudos to everyone involved. ;D
Quote from: Oldiesmann on July 16, 2015, 05:45:30 PM... this topic is not for support...
The only way you won't get support questions is if you lock the thread but then you (and the rest of the team) wouldn't get all the thanks you rightfully deserve. :)
Just got home from work and saw this good news! ;)
Quote from: Night09 on July 16, 2015, 06:47:08 PM
Just got home from work and saw this good news! ;)
That makes two of us. :)
Fantastic news, great work and thank you!
Good job, thanks! :)
Excellent ! I can't wait for Beta 3 now ;)
Quote from: Night09 on July 16, 2015, 06:47:08 PM
Just got home from work and saw this good news! ;)
I'm at work and saw this good news 📰 :D
Awesome work everyone. Great to see.
Beta 2 is WAITING A LONG TIME.
Great news.
And hope for FINALLY VERSION IN Shortly.
There will be at least one more beta release...
Nice work again
Nice to see things moving.
Are all the 2.1 Beta 1 bugs fixed? I still see 129 issues on GitHub. It was around 126 for quite a long time.
Nice work again
Thank you
thank you for SMF development team.
Great work guys, thanks a lot.
Fine effort.
Quote from: Oldiesmann
... You cannot upgrade to 2.1 Beta 1 via the package manager ...
Shouldn't that say "2.1 Beta 2"?
congratulation Devs
Quote from: Shambles on July 17, 2015, 03:26:18 AM
Quote from: Oldiesmann
... You cannot upgrade to 2.1 Beta 1 via the package manager ...
Shouldn't that say "2.1 Beta 2"?
yes
fixed
Great news
Very cool - thanks!!
Great news. Just installed and translate into Vietnamese
Great to see.
If you're still using RHEL 6 or CentOS 6, you can use the php54, php55u, or php56u packages from the IUS Community (http://iuscommunity.org/) repository. If you're using RHEL 5 or CentOS 5, there are also php54 packages at the same, but you really should be looking to update your core OS soon.
Thanks for the constant innovation that you bring to the forum world.
:D Fantastic News...
Thanks so much to all the SMF 2.1 Team~!
Great news^^ good job
Woot woot :D
Nice :)
Beta 3 next year and RC 1 next year, RC 2 and RC 3 to 2017, release stable to 2018, long time in SMF.
Quote from: Hey Arnold! on July 19, 2015, 11:05:09 AM
Beta 3 next year and RC 1 next year, RC 2 and RC 3 to 2017, release stable to 2018, long time in SMF.
Kinda hard on the team, eh?
Good to go.
Lets upgrade tomorrow.
Thank you team & Oldiesmann too.
Quote from: Hey Arnold! on July 19, 2015, 11:05:09 AM
Beta 3 next year and RC 1 next year, RC 2 and RC 3 to 2017, release stable to 2018, long time in SMF.
Sorry, I cant seem to find your list of bug reports and fixes on github that contibute to SMF being able to release by tommorow to keep you happy. ;)
Your welcome to help or wait just like anyone else or use another software if you dont want to wait.
Congrats to everyone involved, and thanks to the community for reporting bugs and suggesting fixes :)
Awesome, cannot wait for the 'final release'
Thank you and I updated my test site and upgrade went well, no issues with the SMF.
again thanks and it a good sign for me!
regards,
Maxx
Wahoo, thanks folks.
Today I updated my theme site, SMF 2.0.10 to the SMF 2.1 Beta 2 and all went very good as far as installation, and It's cool that it does show old themes, so no one try to install them, Our portal installed without issue and works well on this, and I'll be working other tests shortly>!
So far Very Nice Job!
And the Core2 theme is nice also!
regards,
Maxx
Quote from: stmaxx on July 21, 2015, 07:48:58 AM
And the Core2 theme is nice also!
it is named Curve2 not core2.
Cool My Bad!
Thanks really nice to know .. :)
More GREAT news from SMF. Thank you to everyone's hard work, we cannot WAIT for the new forum to be released!
Thank you times eleventy bazillion!
Regards,
BigMike
Beta 2 was released on my birthday....cool. Nice work everyone. :)
(Just noticed that, lol)
Quote from: Bigguy on July 22, 2015, 05:51:39 PM
Beta 2 was released on my birthday..
ohh, nice. Happy birthday, dude!
Congrats! Good job, team!
Quote from: live627 on July 22, 2015, 09:26:37 PM
Quote from: Bigguy on July 22, 2015, 05:51:39 PM
Beta 2 was released on my birthday..
ohh, nice. Happy birthday, dude!
Excellent present for sure. :)
You're perfect.
I'm waiting for the next release.
Quote from: Bigguy on July 22, 2015, 05:51:39 PM
Beta 2 was released on my birthday....cool. Nice work everyone. :)
(Just noticed that, lol)
happy birthday Bigguy
Thank you. :)
Thanks for the hard work. Easy and troublefree upgrade from 2.0.1 (test-) forum. Things seems to work very well.
Thanks to all of those involved in this step forward for our beloved SMF!
Not suggesting, Just saying that, I'm using the Beta 2 on a live site, from the day after it's release, and no issues with the SMF 2.1 Beta 2 as of now! ( same goes for my test sites!
Note this is still not recommended! I just like test stuff! :)
regards,
Maxx
I'm thinking I might roll this out to my site. We get a lot of traffic, but sounds like it might be ready!
:o ~sigh~ ::)
Here we go again.....
Quote from: cpf on August 04, 2015, 04:54:42 PM
I'm thinking I might roll this out to my site. We get a lot of traffic, but sounds like it might be ready!
I would not ... The mods are not comparable yet, and you may not get your stuff back once you go forward, unless you really know what your doing!
Just saying what I did. period!~
regards,
maxx
Quote from: cpf on August 04, 2015, 04:54:42 PM
but sounds like it might be ready!
Trust us, it isn't. Although there are no (known) issues with security, there are features which are bit broken.
Quote from: cpf on August 04, 2015, 04:54:42 PM
I'm thinking I might roll this out to my site. We get a lot of traffic, but sounds like it might be ready!
While it might be workable, it's still a bad idea unless you're very experienced in coding. While we can't stop you from doing as you wish, remember that the beta is
experimental. It may have data loss bugs, security bugs, cause high server loads, or any of many other things. As it's a beta, it will certainly have broken or rough features and there is no active support for people using it on live sites.
Quote from: margarett on August 04, 2015, 05:14:17 PM
Quote from: cpf on August 04, 2015, 04:54:42 PM
but sounds like it might be ready!
Trust us, it isn't. Although there are no (known) issues with security, there are features which are bit broken.
Are all of the issues documented in GIT ? Or is there another list of defects not available to the public ? Just curious.
I agree that one should not use a Beta product unless it's for a test site; that is what the Beta designation represents.
Everything that is known is in GH or in the "Bug reports" board ;)
Great Work , Thank you
I LOVE the fact that you guys have included an optional 2 factor authentication, it's something that no one else is even doing by default which honestly I feel like it should be included in all modern software now a days.
Keep up the great work, I can't wait to see this fully released once it's ready!
Is it already clearly when the official release will be finished? :P
The CLEARLY STATED release -- as always is : When it is ready.
Quote from: Kindred on August 31, 2015, 12:16:36 PM
The CLEARLY STATED release -- as always is : When it is ready.
I understand that of course, but I want to make a own theme I think. :laugh: (To use for a own forum later too.) Can I start with it now, or is this a bit early and can I better chose 2.0?
we cant tell you what or how many changes may be coming for the theme if any. you would be best to stick with 2.0 for now.
As stated: The current release is still in BETA. There *WILL* be changes to code in both Sources files and Theme/templates. So, you can practice making a theme, but it is very likely that any work that you do for a beta will have to be redone for the next beta and/or the RC versions.
One thing I can tell to you, you can't use SMF 2.0 themes in 2.1. So unless you know diff to master don't start creating themes for 2.1
next release will be the day after I invent a time machine!
Yes... Go on ! We're waiting for you...
Bravos !
@++
Quote from: GrCOTE7 on September 04, 2015, 05:46:47 PM
Yes... Go on ! We're waiting for you...
Bravos !
@++
lol.
I just upgraded from 2.0 to this version on my local (very easy process thanks to your upgrade tool) and I am just blown away by how sexy and well thought of things are. I was able to understand using 2.1 almost instantly compared to my first time with 2.0. The placement of things just make sense in this version. I love the theme too, my god it's so sexy. We're also talking big improvements to usability. Massive thought has gone into member interaction which will enable users to communicate better. Happy members means it's will help generate member growth. Just a beautiful, powerful advance cms Devs. Congrats. Windows 95 was smf 2.0 but now 2.1 is a huge leap forward, we're talking windows XP baby! and its how things are meant to be.
I can't wait for the actual release so i can start moding the theme! Awesome work devs, 2.1 is the way forward. In fact, I will buy a t-shirt saying that in a form of a donation. xD Congrats and thank you.
Quote from: Poύνικ on September 04, 2015, 05:15:08 PM
next release will be the day after I invent a time machine!
:) :) :)
Quote from: Wellwisher on September 04, 2015, 10:23:15 PM
I just upgraded from 2.0 to this version on my local (very easy process thanks to your upgrade tool) and I am just blown away by how sexy and well thought of things are. I was able to understand using 2.1 almost instantly compared to my first time with 2.0. The placement of things just make sense in this version. I love the theme too, my god it's so sexy.
It'll look even better if you scoot down to Line 3743 of index.css and change the linear-gradient from "to bottom" to "to top". ;)
Hi....
I'm using it in my forum www.ajayu.org
I know... "not in production" but... well
How I can help u to test? xDU
www.ajayu.org
Just use it ;) And report any issues you encounter.
Waiting for next release. :)
Great news, keep going! :D
so will the upgrade kill my mods?
And your themes.
Quote from: Thijs.w on September 16, 2015, 11:25:07 AM
Quote from: Antes on September 15, 2015, 04:36:38 PM
Quote from: un0mic on September 15, 2015, 04:25:58 PM
so will the upgrade kill my mods?
Yeap.
Why? Is 2.1 a full new system? :-\
Its a major release, lots of changes with database changes so you can't just patch your current running software to bring it up to date.
mods, in general, do not port across major release versions.
themes never do (far too many template changes)
Quote from: Thijs.w on September 16, 2015, 11:25:07 AM
Why? Is 2.1 a full new system? :-\
Although not "full new", we generally don't guarantee modification or theme compatibility across different editions. The changes made in 2.1 to modernize things have made it especially prone to compatibility issues.
Quote from: 青山 素子 on September 16, 2015, 12:31:41 PM
Quote from: Thijs.w on September 16, 2015, 11:25:07 AM
Why? Is 2.1 a full new system? :-\
Although not "full new", we generally don't guarantee modification or theme compatibility across different editions. The changes made in 2.1 to modernize things have made it especially prone to compatibility issues.
It's true, but with that said, I found converting my 2.0 theme to 2.1 was pretty simple on my local. The javascript, css and basically any file you need from external sources can be linked in your theme index file just like in 2.0. I also found quite a lot of features I needed from 2.0 mods were now in 2.1! Such as the "like" and the @mentions system - which is awesome with added features and the likes shows in the stats page!
All I REALLY need now is a sidebar with blocks; tinyportal is already working on one and SP with its loyal users should have one built too.
The menu/ navigation system in 2.1 is also more or less the same which meant I had my original drop down nav with font awesome working too!
Quote
All I REALLY need now is a sidebar with blocks; tinyportal is already working on one and SP with its loyal users should have one built too.
I have ezPortal ready to go for SMF 2.1 Beta 2 and you could make a sidebar with it.
PortaMx have released a Portal version for the last SMF 2.1 Github release ..
Look at http://virgo.portamx.com (http://virgo.portamx.com) .. you can download this release on Github
Great News!!!
@vbgamer45 and @feline great stuff devs, thank you for relpying with a solution for a sidebar in 2.1. I feel there needs to be a section on SMF site where Devs can release their beta 2.1 mods for public testing.
Thank you, I will be testing out every single portal/ sidebar blocks mod for 2.1. I don't want to be stuck with SimplePortal since it's .JS heavy.
Which ever portal/ sidebar mod intergrates with my 2.1 theme nicely and gives me the fastest result on Pingdom (http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/)'s website speed test and Also has a feature where some blocks either display or do not display in certian boards e.g Ads. is the one which I will use
this conversation on mods/portals is getting off topic......
I love it, looks awesome.
demo?
there are dozens of demo and test sites for 2.1 -- but your best bet would be to set a test site up for yourself, since none of the demos are going to let you have access to the admin side of things
Nice.
good job, congrats
-edit- Spamvertised link removed.
cant upgrade, stuck on Messenger fields with the message:
Server has not responded for 30 seconds. It may be worth waiting a little longer or otherwise please click here to try this step again
for hours, huge forum.
well, first and foremost... this thread is not for support
second... you should not be using a beta version on a live site
Please post further details in Install and Upgrade board. I've seen that happening before but was never really able to track it.
Quote from: stmaxx on August 04, 2015, 05:11:41 PM
Quote from: cpf on August 04, 2015, 04:54:42 PM
I'm thinking I might roll this out to my site. We get a lot of traffic, but sounds like it might be ready!
I would not ... The mods are not comparable yet, and you may not get your stuff back once you go forward, unless you really know what your doing!
Just saying what I did. period!~
regards,
maxx
Noted! Thanks.
Quote from: 青山 素子 on August 05, 2015, 07:30:20 PM
Quote from: cpf on August 04, 2015, 04:54:42 PM
I'm thinking I might roll this out to my site. We get a lot of traffic, but sounds like it might be ready!
While it might be workable, it's still a bad idea unless you're very experienced in coding. While we can't stop you from doing as you wish, remember that the beta is experimental. It may have data loss bugs, security bugs, cause high server loads, or any of many other things. As it's a beta, it will certainly have broken or rough features and there is no active support for people using it on live sites.
I watched the movie "Wargames" at least 48 times, so I'm pretty sure I know what I'm doing.
I'll hold off if you guys think it still needs a little more fixin'...
Quote from: cpf on October 22, 2015, 12:29:15 AM
I'll hold off if you guys think it still needs a little more fixin'...
By all means, test the heck out of it on a copy of your site. Find bugs and report them. It is highly discouraged to run it as a live "production" setup though, as there my be data-loss bugs, security flaws, or just plain old stability bugs still lurking around.
We really do want people using the beta, but not
depending on it. The more people that can test, the more likely all the nasty bugs will be found quicker.
Quote from: 青山 素子 on October 22, 2015, 12:53:28 PM
Quote from: cpf on October 22, 2015, 12:29:15 AM
I'll hold off if you guys think it still needs a little more fixin'...
By all means, test the heck out of it on a copy of your site. Find bugs and report them. It is highly discouraged to run it as a live "production" setup though, as there my be data-loss bugs, security flaws, or just plain old stability bugs still lurking around.
We really do want people using the beta, but not depending on it. The more people that can test, the more likely all the nasty bugs will be found quicker.
Thank you, but it's a pretty busy forum. I'll hold out for the next release.
Can you kindly point me in the right direction to post some features we would need for extensions?
Thank you for the post.
What are the new features ?
Did you read the first post?
QuoteQuote from: Oldiesmann on July 16, 2015, 05:45:30 PMFor full details of what has changed, please see our GitHub archive (http://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1).
;)
hi guys,
uploaded the large upgrade package to my test site. went to run it and got this error.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/tqy3egkr0tulnqr/Screenshot%202015-11-07%2000.16.45.png?dl=0
Updating Your SMF Install!
The MySQL user you have set in Settings.php does not have proper privileges.
Please ask your host to give this user the ALTER, CREATE, and DROP privileges.
Click here to try again.
SamRudd:
- This isn't a good place for support, you should post in the correct support board.
- It sounds like your database user doesn't have the right permissions. You should contact your hosting company for assistance.
Excellent ! I can't wait for Beta 3 now.!!!
Can someone help me? i am a complete newbie. i'd appreciate even the tiniest info.
thanks!
If your this new, maybe looking at the wiki would help more than posting here. :)
Installing, Upgrading, and Converting (http://wiki.simplemachines.orgmain0)
Yes and you may also find, some visual aids on U tube, search for "How to SMF"
regards,
Maxx
Just popping in to see the status. I am debating upgrading some mods but I hate to do it if the release is still a while away?
Timeframes are not given for releases. The stock answer is that it will be released when it's ready. Search this thread or the forum and you can see how many times this has been the case. Since it's only in Beta2, you can wager it's going to be awhile. :)
That is good enough for now...
I am just happy to see SMF is still under active development. I am in no hurry to upgrade and will probably be one of those annoying people who waits for 2.1.2 or some such... there IS a way to opt out of InnoDB, right?
It's been almost 7 months since the last beta release, will another one be coming soon?
When it is ready
Quote from: Kindred on February 09, 2016, 09:17:21 PM
When it is ready
So we should assume that you're not even close to the next release after 7 months?
I want to use SMF 2.1 on something new but "When it is ready" tells me that I should be looking for something else.
you should not assume anything.
we never give dates for releases...
Quote from: PaulKet on February 10, 2016, 08:15:44 AM
I want to use SMF 2.1 on something new but "When it is ready" tells me that I should be looking for something else.
we are not recommending anyone use SMF 2.1 on a production site anyway.
Quote from: Kindred on February 10, 2016, 09:16:07 AM
we never give dates for releases...
Does anything exist that shows how much progress has been made toward the next beta release?
You could look at the github site and the list of open bugs but as some are fixed, others are added. The number doesn't seem to go down much.
Like a kid waiting for Christmas and its only , er, February. Its going to feel like a long long time, and in reality it will be. I'm tired of waiting but there is no choice, unless you decide to convert to something else. Release dates seem to be much longer apart this time.
Quote from: PaulKet on February 10, 2016, 09:58:25 AM
Does anything exist that shows how much progress has been made toward the next beta release?
https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/milestones
Getting very close awesome!
Quote from: digger on February 11, 2016, 06:14:11 AM
Quote from: PaulKet on February 10, 2016, 09:58:25 AM
Does anything exist that shows how much progress has been made toward the next beta release?
https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/milestones
Thank you Digger! That is appreciated very much.
So after beta 3, SMF will be heading towards building an RC release right?
Assuming Beta3 is considered stable enough - yes
Just a Test ..upgraded to Beta 3 , no issues on test site site, love the new file image drag and drop, test good on the image part.
Thanks Guys and looking great and been testing the 2.1 sense it was first released and No complaints thus far. Good luck moving forward and again thanks!
Maxx
If we start using beta3 now, will there be an upgrade path to RC and 2.1?
No....
Quote from: cpf on March 03, 2016, 07:38:46 PM
If we start using beta3 now, will there be an upgrade path to RC and 2.1?
Nothing official, but you're welcome to try and manage it manually yourself. Just know that there won't be support for this, so you're fully on your own.
A note about this:
- The code upgrade from beta to beta or beta to RC implies loading all the files so that any modification is lost. Of course, if you use the "clean" 2.1 this should cause you no problems.
- The database upgrade (if there are database change to perform, if there aren't there is nothing to do) is not supposed to be handled automatically by the package. Nevertheless, we can provide you the queries which you can run manually in phpmyadmin.
Overall this shows why you shouldn't use a beta in production :P
RCs are a different story though. When it gets to RC the treatment will be different ;)
Quote from: margarett on March 04, 2016, 05:00:37 AM
A note about this:
- The code upgrade from beta to beta or beta to RC implies loading all the files so that any modification is lost. Of course, if you use the "clean" 2.1 this should cause you no problems.
- The database upgrade (if there are database change to perform, if there aren't there is nothing to do) is not supposed to be handled automatically by the package. Nevertheless, we can provide you the queries which you can run manually in phpmyadmin.
Overall this shows why you shouldn't use a beta in production :P
RCs are a different story though. When it gets to RC the treatment will be different ;)
margarett, thanks this is very helpful. Glad to hear that those of us performing our own tests on our servers will get assistance. 2.1 is looking great so far !
What comes after the beta?
If the beta is determined to be mostly stable, then an relase candidate, aka RC version is made.
Is beta 3 available for download somewhere?
no. beta 3 has not yet been released.
This is great guys, well done!
Quote from: Kindred on March 05, 2016, 07:38:23 PM
no. beta 3 has not yet been released.
I am a bit confused?
Quote from: stmaxx on February 16, 2016, 10:45:20 AM
Just a Test ..upgraded to Beta 3 , no issues on test site site, love the new file image drag and drop, test good on the image part.
Thanks Guys and looking great and been testing the 2.1 sense it was first released and No complaints thus far. Good luck moving forward and again thanks!
Maxx
The "daily build" is available on Github for anyone to download/test.
However, beta 3 has not actually been released, and there are still a pile of issues which the devs are working on getting addressed before beta 3 is officially released as a distributed version.
:) Thanks for this great news. I have been using SMF since long time and now i am having too many customers on my forum.
Too many? ???
The discussion about SMF progression has been split and moved to Chit Chat. Let's stay on topic in this thread from now on please.
hi there I have an smf board and accidently deleted admin user on 19th april. I now cannot administer the site. I do have access as a regular user but cannot do admin. I know nothing about php scripts or how to understand the tech notes on how to add a new administrator.
Is there an guide for dummys on how to fix my problem. thank u in advance to those that support a great tool
Quote from: Irisado on April 19, 2016, 02:07:10 PM
The discussion about SMF progression has been split and moved to Chit Chat. Let's stay on topic in this thread from now on please.
Ahh .. thank you for removing my comments.
That let me see clear what SMF think and do about my Person ...
The comments were MOVED to a separate thread, since they were off topic for this announcement thread... not REmoved....
Quote from: feline on April 22, 2016, 07:11:44 AM
Ahh .. thank you for removing my comments.
That let me see clear what SMF think and do about my Person ...
I'll add to Kindred's response by even providing you a link to your comments, just to prove even further to you that they were not removed:
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=545237.msg3870599#msg3870599
Quote from: Kindred on April 22, 2016, 07:28:17 AM
The comments were MOVED to a separate thread, since they were off topic for this announcement thread... not REmoved....
yeah .. it's very helpfull if a link added to the move topics .. that's very good to think right ;)
Thank you for your suggestion Feline; we'll keep that in mind in the unfortunate event that a split is needed again in the future.
Have a good day :)
Great work, Appreciated
but if you can share screenshots for SMF 2.1 Beta or some demo url so that we can easily look the design and other features of new version.
ummmm.... why don't you install the beta on a test site and look at it on your own? :)
Ok. i will try it on my server and i also try to share some screenshots of 2.1. :)
This looks very very very cool - thanks for all your hard work - now where are the themes and mods? 8)
We don't recommend people create mods or themes for 2.1 just yet as things can change far too drastically at a moments notice.
Quote from: Gary on June 27, 2016, 03:06:41 AM
We don't recommend people create mods or themes for 2.1 just yet as things can change far too drastically at a moments notice.
Your not going to change the entire core at this stage I would imagine. Writers have been waiting patiently for eons.. Most of the stuff I wanted 2.1 for is in a past life now. :P
Quote from: Gary on June 27, 2016, 03:06:41 AM
We don't recommend people create mods or themes for 2.1 just yet as things can change far too drastically at a moments notice.
Features? Drastically? We're coming up on a year of beta 2.
And? I've been building a mod over that time and had to spend quite a bit of time on compatibility.
Things don't stabilise until an RC.
I joined up less than a year ago in hopes to use 2.1 due to the flexibility of a responsive forum. Since I joined I know of eleven people from this site that have moved on to an alternate software. I am beginning to think it wasn't a bad idea. ???
Grrrrr,
I grow weary of the whiners (someone that complains about a problem without offering encouragement, support, or a solution).
Version 2.1 will be ready when it is ready!
There are hundreds, no thousands of lines of code just in ONE template.
Remember that this software is FREE!!
The staff VOLUNTEER their FREE (there's that word again) time to work on something that they will never get a cent for!!
If you chose to believe that there is something else out there that is better, INCLUDING FREE SUPPORT, than perhaps that may be your best choice.
I have been with SMF since ver. 1.3 (so long ago I don't remember what year it was), and my choice is to stand behind them, and all the sacrifices that they make of their personal time (that they could be spending with their wives and children, but instead spend it on SMF) to develop and/or support the FREE forum software.
Then they have some that are saying it is ready yet? This ain't McDonalds!
Don't get me started about Bumping support topics, freaking wait 24 hours (it's only ONE day) before bumping.
You have to stand for something or (chances are) you'll fall for anything.
Regards,
Siirist
Hear, Hear, Siirist
I think you do a wonderful work all of you. And I am very happy with the version I use now. I really prefer things are thougth through and not just a quick not-working-solution
As always - please excuse my English :)
Thanks ....
and that is why SMF 2.1 is still in beta....
Thank you for all the hard work SMF. We know SMF 2.1.x is going to be AMAZING and because I currently do not have time to offer support, I will wait very patiently for the next generation of BY FAR AND WIDE my #1 favorite forum software.
I've only viewed this thread a couple times and I can't believe people complaining. If this is of any consolation to the SMF team, speaking as an officially registered SMF Big Forum now with over 1-million posts, there are literally millions of people who appreciate all you guys do for the open source community!!!!!
Quote from: Siirist on July 06, 2016, 12:35:05 AM
...that they could be spending with their wives and children...
Hey Siirist, so what about the female developers? :laugh: :laugh:
Regards,
BigMike
Can we have a chat feature as part of core?
And a blog feature as part of core?
Quote from: studentforums on July 21, 2016, 10:10:35 AM
Can we have a chat feature as part of core?
And a blog feature as part of core?
no and no.
Oh crap
They were never going to be, these do not benefit even a modest fraction of the user base and belong as mods for this reason.
Quote from: studentforums on July 21, 2016, 10:10:35 AM
Can we have a chat feature as part of core?
And a blog feature as part of core?
SMF (Simple Machines
Forum) not SMC (Simple Machines Chat) or SMB (Simple Machines Blog).
I don't see it so far fetch in the future, hopefully with 3.0 the core can be separated from the forum. As for a chat extension being supplied by SM, I doubt. A blog extensions though wouldn't be out of the question.
However that is still a long ways in the future and I can't talk for the development team on features planned in any upcoming SMF version. 2.x will always be a forum, I'll guarantee it. ;)
Very cool SMF Team! Thanks for the hard work!
Topic split and merged into SMF 2.1 Progression Discussion (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=545237.msg3883216#msg3883216). Please use that topic for debate and discussion about the release schedule, not this one. Thank you.
Please for the love of god can you impliment horizontal in line thumbnails when photos are attached and finally get rid of the horrible vertical on top of eachother way thats been used up till now.
Monitors are wide now days. They can handle more than one thumbnail per line. It was easy to change in every version up until this one by messing around with the display.template file which now seems to be impossible
that has been added already to SMF 2.1.
Monitors are very wide. Yet a lot of people use mobiles which aren't very wide...
and, actually, it is SIMPLE to do, even in 2.0.x with a simple CSS change -- not need to change the template at all
Great job SMF developers. SMF has always been one of the best.
Thank you,
Jeff
Quote from: Illori on August 07, 2016, 06:17:12 PM
that has been added already to SMF 2.1.
I think he means the standard attachment display underneath the main post content.
When will the official release SMF 2.1 Beta 3?
when it is ready.
Awesome! Keep up the good work!
Great news. Well done
Is Beta 3 going to be released ? I don't see any open issues in GIT pertaining to Beta 3.
Quote from: TomW on December 06, 2016, 09:19:34 AM
Is Beta 3 going to be released ? I don't see any open issues in GIT pertaining to Beta 3.
Yes, it will be released but as a team policy we can't give a date to our users.
We are working on it. :)
Quote from: Colin on December 08, 2016, 12:42:44 PM
We are working on it. :)
Quote from: Antes on December 06, 2016, 09:40:10 AM
Quote from: TomW on December 06, 2016, 09:19:34 AM
Is Beta 3 going to be released ? I don't see any open issues in GIT pertaining to Beta 3.
Yes, it will be released but as a team policy we can't give a date to our users.
Thank you for the response.
another Beta after beta 3? or Beta 3 is the last beta?
Quote from: TomW on December 06, 2016, 09:19:34 AM
Is Beta 3 going to be released ? I don't see any open issues in GIT pertaining to Beta 3.
Oh looky here https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/releases/tag/v2.1-beta.3
Quote from: gisfreak on December 14, 2016, 01:34:32 AM
another Beta after beta 3? or Beta 3 is the last beta?
we'll see what issues are identified in the beta3 release.
We can't make an RC release until the issues are minor enough to be considered RC for the next release
Quote from: gisfreak on December 14, 2016, 01:34:32 AM
another Beta after beta 3? or Beta 3 is the last beta?
You can follow, planned versions here: https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/milestones
How goes 2.1 any good things in it?
Quote from: xeon365 on January 13, 2017, 10:35:40 AM
How goes 2.1 any good things in it?
Differences between SMF 2.1 and SMF 2.0 (http://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/Differences_between_SMF_2.1_and_SMF_2.0)
Regards :)
Quote from: engrz on May 05, 2016, 04:57:50 AM
Great work, Appreciated
but if you can share screenshots for SMF 2.1 Beta or some demo url so that we can easily look the design and other features of new version.
Does this exist? I would like to see too.
Google SMF 2.1 demo and a few sites should pop up.
Here is one using 2.1 Beta 3- https://test2.turtleshellprod.com/
I tried 2V1 already and nothing was on the "old place" (i.e. Admin Center).
I did non find a way to get the "old look" back for our users.
How can I get 2V1 to show this view?
(https://gyazo.com/7a4f214b4355eecce7ded3df8617676a.png)
New functions are not always everything .... Users have to find themselfes in "use the new tool as the old one". They are not interested in "searching where might the old function be now". Sorry! Maybe I programmed industrial production lines for too many years and had to pay too much attention to the whishes of those users of their equipment.
2.1 is changed. The theme has changed, some of the functionality is changed some of the layout is changed to suit the new functionality
That's the way things are.
There is no "use the old design" option for 2.1
Quote from: kubMCC
How can I get 2V1 to show this view?
Quote from: Oldiesmann on July 16, 2015, 05:45:30 PM
Finally, as always, this topic is not for support
::)
Quote from: Kindred on February 21, 2017, 09:07:51 PM
2.1 is changed. The theme has changed, some of the functionality is changed some of the layout is changed to suit the new functionality
That's the way things are.
There is no "use the old design" option for 2.1
Too sad. Like "there is no way to get an old fashion 6er manual gearbox into your new BMW". Well, let's stay with the well known how to use Mercedes. ....
BTW: in this case (
2V1 will never be or look like 2V0.xx) You should be fair and name it SMF 3.0, a complete new version. Would make the big difference clear to all "old satisfied with 2V0" users. Just my 2 cts.
Best regards and have fun in Karneval! de kub
But it's not a completely new version and calling it 3.0 is mispresentative.
2.1's theme is an evolution on top of 2.0's, so much so that it is literally called 'Curve 2'. I also suspect that someone will remake the 2.0 theme for 2.1 with all the goodies and shiny things like much improved mobile support (like 2.1 already has out of the box and that 2.0 can't do with its current theme)
2.1 is also built directly on top of 2.0, in a way that a 3.0 wouldn't be.
Though I find it interesting that the look is the only comment, and not any of the new features, like draft posting, or alerts, or new CAPTCHA to improve registration or... but that your only observation is how it doesn't look like something that was designed 10 years ago and was already out of date when it did finally appear in the first place.
Good to hear. Thanks for this release.
any expected date for official release of 2.1?
really waiting for new release.
Quote from: Antes on December 06, 2016, 09:40:10 AM
as a team policy we can't give a date to our users.
Quote from: Arantor on February 24, 2017, 04:29:13 PM
But it's not a completely new version and calling it 3.0 is mispresentative.
2.1's theme is an evolution on top of 2.0's, so much so that it is literally called 'Curve 2'. I also suspect that someone will remake the 2.0 theme for 2.1 with all the goodies and shiny things like much improved mobile support (like 2.1 already has out of the box and that 2.0 can't do with its current theme)
2.1 is also built directly on top of 2.0, in a way that a 3.0 wouldn't be.
Though I find it interesting that the look is the only comment, and not any of the new features, like draft posting, or alerts, or new CAPTCHA to improve registration or... but that your only observation is how it doesn't look like something that was designed 10 years ago and was already out of date when it did finally appear in the first place.
I hope it's the Arantor CAPTCHA. That completely killed my spam problem.
Nope, 2.1 now includes reCAPTCHA, though it does also include some of the measures that were added to Misc Anti Spam and it also includes the multi-language/multi-answer Q&A features.
Multi language Q&A and reCAPTCHA added.
I thought I already pointed this out? I know the multi-language Q&A is in 2.1, it has been for nearly 3 years. I also know my CAPTCHA isn't integrated, because it was never retooled for the changes in 2.1 e.g. the different fonts.
Quote from: Arantor on February 24, 2017, 04:29:13 PM
But it's not a completely new version and calling it 3.0 is mispresentative.
2.1's theme is an evolution on top of 2.0's, so much so that it is literally called 'Curve 2'. I also suspect that someone will remake the 2.0 theme for 2.1 with all the goodies and shiny things like much improved mobile support (like 2.1 already has out of the box and that 2.0 can't do with its current theme)
2.1 is also built directly on top of 2.0, in a way that a 3.0 wouldn't be.
Though I find it interesting that the look is the only comment, and not any of the new features, like draft posting, or alerts, or new CAPTCHA to improve registration or... but that your only observation is how it doesn't look like something that was designed 10 years ago and was already out of date when it did finally appear in the first place.
Everything
for Users is about LOOK.
"It's the same book, but we changed from black&white to colored pictures. So it is the same book. But, by the way, you have to read it from page bottom to page top."
For You, as developper, all the arguments may be right and You all are proud of what You got out at the end. But please, try also thinking
a little bit as a "user since years"! If the "optic" / "surface" is completely different for the users (like MS Office 2003 to Office 2010), let us know that important point by giving it a new version number.
You and Your team grew up over the years with all the new features and optical changes.
We, the admins,
have to live AND understand AND explain it to our longtime 1Vxx to 2Vxx clients within
days. THEY, our users, have to find their way in the new design. Not YOU. You know it better than ..... Sorry.
You may be right, but I like my opinion better. (Du hast vielleicht Recht, aber meine Meinung gefällt mir besser) :)
BTW: the differences in optic between 1Vx and 2Vx was ..... nearly nothing .....
Still best regards from GE, your sincerely kubMCC
And yet, you would be wrong, kubMCC...
as an admin or user, you don't get to pick the version numbers.
We use the versioning system which makes sense based on the code...
And 2.1 is closer to 2.0, code-wise, than 2.0 was to 1.1
(And, as proven time and time again... opinion is fine, except when it is contradicted by fact... and fact always wins)
The difference visually between 1.0 to 1.1 was huge, 1.1 to 2.0 was huge. 2.0 to 2.1 was less huge for me.
And my experience of users is that once they realise there are new tools for them to post and new ways to work better with the forum, the visual change is far less of a problem.
Well, do mind that 2.1 is responsive, so for thosee who now enter from mobile, will see a huge difference in functionability.
Damn, it's tooking more than 1,5 years from BETA 2 to BETA 3. BETA!
Anyway, maybe someone can tell where people can see currently % how much till finish Beta3? I'm not asking for date.
Given that the team has been adding features in recent times, it's really hard to say because they keep moving the target...
Quote from: Shkic on March 26, 2017, 05:45:36 PM
Anyway, maybe someone can tell where people can see currently % how much till finish Beta3? I'm not asking for date.
Date or % - that's the same question.
It's impossible to say precisely how far through a task is, as it is an evolving thing.
I'm not sure how often that has to be mentioned on this forum... but evidently several million times....
It's 1% left and it has been that for 1,5 month.
https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/milestones
Quote from: Dylert on March 27, 2017, 01:41:02 AM
It's 1% left and it has been that for 1,5 month.
https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/milestones
1% until the team decide to add something, you mean.
Yes, a file was added 4 days ago and the status was 98%. That file was completed quickly. Now there's only one file and, quote "I am shooting to have this out next weekend. Sorry, external work has been a bit busier the past few weeks. Status: In Progress" (written 29/1 2017).
It's "99%" because there is only one issue outstanding out of 135 tagged as beta 3. Given the team keep changing their minds about what beta 3 entails... don't expect that to change.
At present rate, expect a gold release in 2020. When I predicted that in 2012, it seemed funny, five years on and it seems prophetic.
99.9%. We want to get our 2.0.14 first and then shipping Beta 3 is next in line. There has been a lot of good progress and we are nearly there. Hang tight.
Thanks a lot for the great work you do! I love SMF 2.0.x and I will love 2.1! :)
Quote from: Colin on March 27, 2017, 03:10:46 AM
99.9%. We want to get our 2.0.14 first and then shipping Beta 3 is next in line.
I'm happy to hear that - as it's getting very expensive for me to rent a second dedicated server to run my PHP 7 applications on.
Quote from: Colin on March 27, 2017, 03:10:46 AM
99.9%. We want to get our 2.0.14 first and then shipping Beta 3 is next in line. There has been a lot of good progress and we are nearly there. Hang tight.
Excellent news ! I'm anxious to get my forum to 2.0.14 also.
Beta3 is now 100% complete: https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/milestones
Does that mean that it is finished and no issue will be added??
Quote from: Dylert on March 27, 2017, 11:30:47 AM
Beta3 is now 100% complete: https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/milestones
Does that mean that it is finished and no issue will be added??
I hope that means 2.0.14 is going to be released soon?
They did say they wanted to get 2.0.x done first before shipping beta 3.
I'm not sure why people so focused on beta releases while it means nothing and gets old when new commit pushed. What people should be looking at the commit history or PRs or issues (https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/commits/release-2.1 (https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/commits/release-2.1)). We are working on the software continuously.
Yes 2.0.14 is on prio.
Quote from: Dylert on March 27, 2017, 11:30:47 AM
Beta3 is now 100% complete: https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/milestones
Does that mean that it is finished and no issue will be added??
Yeah, the outstanding issue was reclassified for later, so it still needs to be done.
Discussion around future 2.1 releases has been moved to a more suitable place: https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=545237.0. Please continue such discussion there and not here.
Do we have a contribution guide somewhere besides git issues list? What those looking to help could do, what is expected for 2.1 since it's not 3.0 yet, etc. Been reading a few topics and still didn't find anything of the sort.
Quote from: Gwenwyfar on May 27, 2017, 10:09:02 AM
Do we have a contribution guide somewhere besides git issues list? What those looking to help could do, what is expected for 2.1 since it's not 3.0 yet, etc. Been reading a few topics and still didn't find anything of the sort.
https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/milestones ?
That RC list is not maintained. Items should be closed, but nobody looks at it. Seems like folks work on everything BUT that list...
Nothing on that list should hold up a release.
Quote from: shawnb61 on May 27, 2017, 10:41:47 AM
That RC list is not maintained. Items should be closed, but nobody looks at it. Seems like folks work on everything BUT that list...
Nothing on that list should hold up a release.
Well still that page links to the milestones which requires prio attention :P
I guess not, then. But that helps too, thanks :)
Quote from: Antes on May 27, 2017, 10:45:53 AM
Well still that page links to the milestones which requires prio attention :P
Agreed - that that is how it should be used.
Quote from: shawnb61 on May 27, 2017, 11:55:07 AM
Quote from: Antes on May 27, 2017, 10:45:53 AM
Well still that page links to the milestones which requires prio attention :P
Agreed - that that is how it should be used.
The thing here, SMF can't ask people (outside) to focus on milestones, on the other hand any contribution is better than none so if someone wants to work on non-milestoned issue its fine by everyone :P (Win-win).
Why can't it say 'we'd appreciate any help to the items in [milestone]'? Provide a focus if nothing else.
Quote from: Arantor on May 27, 2017, 12:39:16 PM
Why can't it say 'we'd appreciate any help to the items in [milestone]'? Provide a focus if nothing else.
I hardly think SMF has that luxury.
And the appearance of no direction whatsoever discourages people who might help out. :(
I'll work on sorting out some of the milestones after we get Beta 3 out.
Thanks Colin. That will be helpful.
Is Beta 3 the priority now? Or are you guys working on 2.0.15 to fix the remaining issues (ssi logins, etc)
Beta 3 will be out next then 2.0.15.
Ok, thank you.