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Title: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Oldiesmann on January 05, 2017, 03:31:47 PM
Please do not use this topic for support requests.
You will receive a much quicker and better response by posting in the 2.0.x Support Board (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?board=147.0) or the Install and Upgrade Help board (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?board=10.0).


Dear Members,

Simple Machines Forum has released a new patch to the 2.0.x line, bringing our latest release version to 2.0.13.

This patch is a security and maintenance release, which focuses on fixing a couple of minor bugs, while adding some enhancements and a patch to a security vulnerability reported in the software. Additionally, this release corrects an issue introduced in 2.0.12. Therefore, it is important that you install this patch in a timely manner.

If you are running version 2.0.12, you can upgrade your forum to the latest version by using the package manager. As usual, you should see the upgrade notification in the admin panel notifications and in the package manager, which will allow you to download and install the patch seamlessly.  If you do not see the notification about the upgrade patch, please run the scheduled task "Fetch Simple Machines files" from the Scheduled Tasks page (Admin > Maintenance > Scheduled Tasks > Fetch Simple Machines Files (check the "Run Now" checkbox and click the "Run Now" button)).

If you use older versions of SMF, you can upgrade directly to 2.0.13 from whichever version you are currently using by using the "full upgrade" archive from the downloads page. Be aware that using this upgrade method will require you to reinstall any customizations that you have added to your forum, so if you are running a version of the 2.0.x series, it is recommended that you apply the successive patches instead of using the full upgrade.

You can view the change log for the latest release, as usual, on the downloads page (http://download.simplemachines.org/index.php?thanks;filename=smf_2-0-13_changelog.txt).

If you are having problems downloading the patch from the admin panel, you can download the patch package from the upgrade patches page (http://custom.simplemachines.org/upgrades/) and install it via the package manager, as you would any other mod package

Please refer to the Online Manual for more details about:

Thank you for using SMF!

Regards,
Simple Machines Forum Team
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Kryzen on January 05, 2017, 03:39:04 PM
Yay, congrats!
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Looking on January 05, 2017, 03:46:00 PM
Great to finally have some of the noted fixes. Thanks.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Shambles on January 05, 2017, 04:05:32 PM
Nothing appears in my Admin area and no patch appears on the patches page.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: CoreISP on January 05, 2017, 04:31:33 PM
Nothing appears in my Admin area and no patch appears on the patches page.
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Please do not use this topic for support requests.
You will receive a much quicker and better response by posting in the 2.0.x Support Board or the Install and Upgrade Help board.
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If you do not see the notification about the upgrade patch, please run the scheduled task "Fetch Simple Machines files" from the Scheduled Tasks page (Admin > Maintenance > Scheduled Tasks > Fetch Simple Machines Files (check the "Run Now" checkbox and click the "Run Now" button)).
;)


The patch file link should appear on the cust site shortly.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Shambles on January 05, 2017, 04:47:55 PM
There really was no need to quote that:

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If you do not see the notification about the upgrade patch, please run the scheduled task "Fetch Simple Machines files" from the Scheduled Tasks page (Admin > Maintenance > Scheduled Tasks > Fetch Simple Machines Files (check the "Run Now" checkbox and click the "Run Now" button)).

.. seeing as you haven't made the patch available yet  ::)
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: CoreISP on January 05, 2017, 04:53:07 PM
There really was no need to quote that:

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If you do not see the notification about the upgrade patch, please run the scheduled task "Fetch Simple Machines files" from the Scheduled Tasks page (Admin > Maintenance > Scheduled Tasks > Fetch Simple Machines Files (check the "Run Now" checkbox and click the "Run Now" button)).

.. seeing as you haven't made the patch available yet  ::)

We did make the patch available... That function doesn't rely on the Patches page showing the download link. Otherwise we wouldn't post this news. ;)
So running maintenance will make it appear. :) It if does not, please open a topic in the support board or indeed do it manually. (And yes, the file to do it manually should be visible by now - I'm sure the caches for that page will have expired by now.)
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Shambles on January 05, 2017, 05:09:02 PM
All good now - installed a treat. Thanks to all concerned.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: CoreISP on January 05, 2017, 05:15:09 PM
Glad to hear that :) Enjoy!
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: karlbenson on January 05, 2017, 05:21:05 PM
Good to hear. :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: vbgamer45 on January 05, 2017, 05:26:36 PM
Reminder for next update. Do the year from 2016 to 2017
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Steve on January 05, 2017, 05:27:56 PM
Awesome. Thanks to everyone for the hard work. :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: live627 on January 05, 2017, 05:30:58 PM
Reminder for next update. Do the year from 2016 to 2017
Duly noted. Already done in 2.0.14 :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Kindred on January 05, 2017, 06:45:00 PM
Actually, 2.0.13 was prepared in 2016 -- changing it to 2017 would have involved multiple versions of the software out there with the same version number. :P
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: shawnb61 on January 05, 2017, 07:51:44 PM
Once again, good job SMF team!
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Nolt on January 05, 2017, 08:06:20 PM
Thanks for the new release.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: gisfreak on January 05, 2017, 10:45:30 PM
niceeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, thanx,
upgrading now :D
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: stmaxx on January 05, 2017, 10:46:09 PM
Thank you gonna give it a go! Nice move! :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: equinoxmatt on January 06, 2017, 04:48:50 AM
Good job guys!
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Steve on January 06, 2017, 08:42:21 AM
Actually, 2.0.13 was prepared in 2016 -- changing it to 2017 would have involved multiple versions of the software out there with the same version number. :P

Thanks for the info! :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Raffaele1977 on January 06, 2017, 09:32:51 AM
Tks to everyone involved in this awesome work :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Ray. on January 06, 2017, 12:39:17 PM
Finally fixed the table in BBC bug. Thanks.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: SkzlN on January 06, 2017, 01:47:34 PM
thanks guys, always added <3
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: lurkalot on January 06, 2017, 02:18:02 PM
Thanks team. Updated three of my sites so far, and all seems good. (Touches wood).  8)
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: balonfx on January 06, 2017, 09:45:42 PM
Does this bring PHP7 support?

Or will that be in 2.0.14

Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Colin on January 06, 2017, 09:47:43 PM
2.0.14. (Very soon :))
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: laetabi on January 07, 2017, 07:21:42 AM
Thanks all... I like easy upgrades...  ;)
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Katigori on January 07, 2017, 11:22:37 AM
Thank you for the release - we're really happy to have our BB Code back to normal.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Portugal on January 07, 2017, 01:02:08 PM
Thanks for the excelent work :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Masterd on January 07, 2017, 02:17:59 PM
Thank you fo the hard work, team!
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: ircsiinci on January 07, 2017, 03:52:06 PM
Thank you team, great!  :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: MobileCS on January 07, 2017, 04:19:16 PM
Thank you, upgrade went smoothly. Really looking forward to v2.0.14  :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: zStudios Team on January 07, 2017, 09:21:17 PM
Nice, waiting for 2.1 final
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: rogrog on January 08, 2017, 06:16:28 PM
Thanks a lot.
Upgrade worked without issue.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: engrz on January 09, 2017, 06:43:13 AM
Congratulations,

I have just upgraded now, because i havent got any notification in my admin panel.

Great work,,, best of luck in future.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Armada on January 09, 2017, 08:06:41 AM
Thank you for the upgrade, and for the work that has gone into it. :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Mr. Jinx on January 09, 2017, 12:15:52 PM
Update without problems. Great work guys!
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: a10 on January 09, 2017, 12:31:05 PM
Done in seconds, all successful. Thanks+++
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: cultureco on January 10, 2017, 03:38:58 AM
Hello
Thank you for this upgrade.
I alway wonder, to upgrade from 2.012 to 2.013, is it possible to simply uoload the files from à new donnload ?
I mean remplace 2012 index.php  with 2013 index.php
and so for all the files concern in change log ?
Merci
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: live627 on January 10, 2017, 03:46:09 AM
Yes. However, you run the risk of breaking mods. The safest way is to use the package manager.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Joomlamz on January 10, 2017, 01:29:55 PM
Good
Thank you
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: rentner on January 11, 2017, 01:40:44 AM
Thank you so much for your great job and  to give the people a free community software.

Installation of the update easy as usually and very quick without problems.
Now also the shoutbox chache form the Simple Portal are function again.

 8)
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: SweeX on January 13, 2017, 10:07:42 AM
Good job !
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Xpresskonami on January 14, 2017, 07:06:08 PM
Nothing appears in my Admin area and no patch appears on the patches page.

hello. i love the way your RECENT TOPIC is sliding vertical. please is the wok of jquery or from the theme ???
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Shambles on January 15, 2017, 03:34:20 AM
Please do not use this topic for support requests.


PM would be better
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Xpresskonami on January 15, 2017, 04:43:57 AM
Please do not use this topic for support requests.


PM would be better

Okay.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Campanule on January 15, 2017, 08:26:24 AM
Super - thanks to all
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: MobileCS on February 06, 2017, 05:12:02 PM
2.0.14. (Very soon :))

Colin any updates on the 2.0.14 release?
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Kindred on February 06, 2017, 10:41:01 PM
When it is ready
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: MobileCS on February 19, 2017, 03:09:03 PM
When it is ready

I'm not sure if you're aware of this or not, but answering a question with simply "when it's ready" comes across as quite rude. I've been desperately waiting for this update, as this forum software is the only thing I have on this server that doesn't support PHP 7.

I need to upgrade so I can be sure my new projects are fully PHP 7 optimized and compatible. This is how I make a living, it's not a hobby or "because I want the latest and greatest".

With that said, does anyone have a rough timeline when this update will be available?
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Steve on February 19, 2017, 03:24:25 PM
Unfortunately no and SMF never gives projected release dates anyway.

Sorry about the answer sounding rude but that's the only answer we give when asked when an update will be released.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: MobileCS on February 20, 2017, 12:34:12 PM
Any reason why the 2.0.x is hidden on GitHub? Why not open it up and let others pitch in and get the developers past any roadblocks they have run in to?

Also, I see that active support for PHP 5.6 ended last month. They are only doing security updates now.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Kindred on February 20, 2017, 12:45:06 PM
it is because that is how we built the 2.0 branch.
Since the 2.0 branch is not in active development any more, there is no purpose in opening the branch to the public, since we're not going to generally accept anything but security patches at this point anyway.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: tinoest on February 20, 2017, 01:55:10 PM
Any reason why the 2.0.x is hidden on GitHub? Why not open it up and let others pitch in and get the developers past any roadblocks they have run in to?

Also, I see that active support for PHP 5.6 ended last month. They are only doing security updates now.

Although RedHat will support PHP 5.3 until 2020 when support for RHEL 6 ends, and PHP 5.4 ( I think ) in RHEL 7 until 2024, Debian 7 is PHP 5.4 and that's supported until 2018 and Debian 8 is PHP 5.6 and thats supported until 2020. Both will receive security updates from upstream and is maintained by others so whilst PHP have declared it EOL its far from being EOL.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: MobileCS on February 27, 2017, 05:22:08 PM
Although RedHat will support PHP 5.3 until 2020 when support for RHEL 6 ends, and PHP 5.4 ( I think ) in RHEL 7 until 2024, Debian 7 is PHP 5.4 and that's supported until 2018 and Debian 8 is PHP 5.6 and thats supported until 2020. Both will receive security updates from upstream and is maintained by others so whilst PHP have declared it EOL its far from being EOL.

I use FreeBSD, so things work a bit differently. PHP is removed from the ports system once PHP no longer officially supports it. As it stand now, PHP 5.6 is the earliest version you can install (5.4 and 5.5 have been removed).

I really hope that the SMF 2.0.14 update is released before PHP 5.6 disappears as well or I'm in trouble.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Arantor on February 28, 2017, 02:40:30 AM
5.6 is still supported, and for much longer than usual while people get ready for PHP 7. 5.6 is receiving security support until the end of 2018.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: MobileCS on March 03, 2017, 04:22:14 AM
5.6 is still supported, and for much longer than usual while people get ready for PHP 7. 5.6 is receiving security support until the end of 2018.

That's not the issue ... the issue for me is having to paying an extra $150/month for a second dedicated server so I can install PHP 7 to test / run my new projects on. The only reason I can't install PHP 7 on my original server is because this forum software doesn't support it - but everything else does.

I'm not trying to create any trouble - I understand your developers hit a massive road block. I'm just in bad position because of it.

Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Arantor on March 03, 2017, 05:49:18 AM
Most good hosts can let you switch between PHP versions on a per folder basis...
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: MobileCS on March 14, 2017, 12:29:07 PM
Unfortunately no and SMF never gives projected release dates anyway.

Sorry about the answer sounding rude but that's the only answer we give when asked when an update will be released.

Fair enough, does anyone know if the PHP 7 update for SMF 2.0.x is still being worked on - or has it been abandoned?
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: d3vcho(); on March 14, 2017, 12:44:59 PM
We are still working on it, and PHP7 will be suported in our next patch, 2.0.14
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Kindred on March 14, 2017, 01:06:46 PM
Php7 and https proxy support are the two big things in this release, aside from minor other patches
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: balonfx on March 15, 2017, 04:19:54 AM
Php7 and https proxy support are the two big things in this release, aside from minor other patches

THAT^ is exciting.

Any news on IPv6 support? The current mod out there breaks the hell out of SMF, yet I'd gladly use that bad system vs. no IPv6 support.

Thanks!
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Arantor on March 15, 2017, 04:38:15 AM
The mod is all there is for 2.0 right now (and it works just fine on an otherwise unmodded forum so if it 'breaks the hell out of SMF' it's your mods doing it, not core SMF)

The mod is also the basis of what's in 2.1.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Linkjay on March 15, 2017, 02:51:18 PM
Php7 and https proxy support

👌👌👌👌👌
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: gorbi on March 28, 2017, 12:01:33 PM
Php7 and https proxy support
2.0.14?
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: d3vcho(); on March 28, 2017, 12:06:06 PM
Yes, as it has been stated previously in some of this topic's answers
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: MobileCS on April 09, 2017, 11:24:18 AM
I know it doesn't mean anything, but seeing v2.0.14 at the bottom of this SMF forum made me smile this morning.  :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: SleePy on April 09, 2017, 05:09:52 PM
2.0.14 is a huge release introducing lots of changes and improvements to support https/ssl and mysqli.  We are testing out the patch here and at other team sites in order to hopefully prevent introducing any bugs during this process.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: kat★ on April 11, 2017, 06:17:31 AM
Major props to the team for intergrating these features in a mere 3 months after 2.0.13 was launched! High hopes for the things yet to come! Keep being awesome!
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Portugal on April 11, 2017, 07:15:55 AM
Ths spirit of SMF stills untoutchable.... for all that... i´m SMF since i decide to implement a forum.... 2006 :) Great job!
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Antes on April 11, 2017, 07:53:37 AM
We are grateful for your support :).
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: shawnb61 on April 11, 2017, 03:29:57 PM
Wow...   Awesome work, folks! 
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: MobileCS on April 27, 2017, 05:36:34 PM
We are still working on it, and PHP7 will be suported in our next patch, 2.0.14

Any news on the 2.0.14 patch? My dedicated server that I am using strictly for PHP 7 support is up for renewal in 8 days - and not sure if I should renew it or not.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: d3vcho(); on April 28, 2017, 10:02:20 AM
There's one last bug we must fix before releasing 2.0.14.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Arantor on April 28, 2017, 10:03:12 AM
What's the issue? I'm willing to help on this one.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: d3vcho(); on April 28, 2017, 10:06:03 AM
Thanks for your interest. Not sure about the status of this actually, but I think Colin got it almost ready;

https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/issues/4013
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Arantor on April 28, 2017, 11:04:40 AM
If that is the only issue, it looks solved already.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Kindred on April 28, 2017, 11:44:31 AM
Yes, but we need to properly build the patch and upgrade to avoid any of the previous issues with unsynced patch vs upgrade vs install.

That's what we are working in right now.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: MobileCS on April 28, 2017, 12:39:21 PM
Ok, great! I'll hold off from renewing that server for as long as I can then.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Kailash Aghera on May 02, 2017, 06:40:42 AM
Any update on SMF 2.0.14? I am eagerly waiting for this version as I want to use PHP 7.0 for my website.

Thanks,
Kailahs
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: d3vcho(); on May 02, 2017, 06:49:07 AM
There's one last bug we must fix before releasing 2.0.14.

No further updates
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Ben_S on May 03, 2017, 05:17:37 AM
It is disappointing as I’ve previously only really posted in the private boards but the length of time to release such an important update to enable running HTTPS without a whole bunch of errors really does make it hard to justify continuing running SMF.

Hopefully it arrives before October when Chrome will declare all HTTP sites as insecure, login form or not.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Shambles on May 03, 2017, 05:22:14 AM
But this topic is about the release of 2.0.13
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Arantor on May 03, 2017, 06:38:02 AM
But this topic is about the release of 2.0.13

And the time until 2.0.14...
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: MobileCS on May 03, 2017, 11:40:47 AM
I think the lack of communication is what's frustrating everyone. Nothing is being offering voluntarily. The only time we hear anything is when someone specifically asks about it.

A "Hey, we are still working on it, hang tight - we're real close now" from someone working on the project would go a long way.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: d3vcho(); on May 03, 2017, 11:49:30 AM
Thank you for your thoughts. In the end we are a team, and everything we are going to do is previously discussed with everyone. We have some informative topics already done, but we have decided to wait for the best moment to publish them.

We beg you for patience. Please remember we're all volunteers. Probably 2.0.14 would have been published a long ago with all developers working altogether, but unfortunately is not like that because of real life matters.

And please stop asking about 2.0.14. This topic is about 2.0.13 and its release.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Arantor on May 03, 2017, 12:44:54 PM
Quote
And please stop asking about 2.0.14. This topic is about 2.0.13 and its release.

Yes, yes it is, and people find the release lacking because the things that external forces deem necessary are finally pushing SMF to fix things.

If it helps rationalise it, every person who is pushing for 2.0.14 is expressing the fact that 2.0.13 has some major gaps in it.

The fact that people with the skills and time have indicated a willingness to help fix the problem only to be given a highly cryptic and unhelpful response is part of the problem.

And unfortunately the 'we're all volunteers' card doesn't carry enough weight when peoples' sites are losing members because of continuously deferring a problem until it's someone else's problem - this situation with 2.0.14 was a known issue in 2014 (hah). Every release from 2.0.8 onwards was an opportunity to lay the groundwork for dealing with this issue. Including 2.0.13.

You want to talk about 2.0.13 rather than 2.0.14? Why didn't SMF tackle this problem in 2014 or even throughout the bulk of 2015 before it would have been a problem? Why is it now, 18 months after 7.0 released, that it's finally being dealt with? Because no-one in that time could possibly have said 'maybe we should fix this'?
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Kindred on May 03, 2017, 01:57:58 PM
Arantor... except the problem - in this case - is not something that needs to be addressed by those people...

The biggest delay in getting this out is the coordination necessary for 2.0.x releases at this time, given the systems involved - as has been evident with the problems (not with code, but with the release process itself) for the past 4 releases.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Arantor on May 03, 2017, 02:21:05 PM
Funny, the last update in this thread is that there was still an issue outstanding to be looked at, except when I asked what it was, I got only a cryptic link that didn't actually seem to be a relevant issue.

It's also interesting to note that as far as I know the release process hasn't changed in forever... why is that an issue now?
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Kindred on May 03, 2017, 02:23:47 PM
It's an issue because the release process HAS changed... as evidenced by the issues with the release process in the last 4 releases. :(

To be clear, the remaining issue (solved) was regarding a specific situation with proxy avatars which we didn't note initially but encountered, identified and fixed after some additional testing.  However, identifying and fixing that issue meant that we had to rebuild the release, retest and confirm that the release process would not "suck in" the previous candidate that had been replaced (which was what happened with more than one of the previous 4 releases)
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: kat★ on May 03, 2017, 06:39:23 PM
Oh dear sounds like a LOT of extra work... Hope things got solved and won't cause more issues in the future! Am becoming really anxious of when new releases come out! We're counting on you, devs!! :laugh:
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: GravuTrad on May 05, 2017, 06:13:30 PM
Why 2.0.14 here? Thanks.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Linkjay on May 05, 2017, 06:15:19 PM
Why 2.0.14 here? Thanks.

Testing.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: MobileCS on May 08, 2017, 10:08:56 PM
It's been 5 days now -  it surely can't take that long to test to make sure proxy.php is returning 404 correctly.

I'm assuming you've run in to more issues with 2.0.14?
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Kindred on May 08, 2017, 10:10:34 PM
Yes
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Arantor on May 09, 2017, 03:14:34 AM
So engage the community to help. There are people who can help. Who are offering to help with this.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: MobileCS on May 09, 2017, 12:31:42 PM
I'm just frustrated that it's costing me an extra $160 a month (for an additional server) so I can run PHP 7.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Arantor on May 09, 2017, 12:51:26 PM
I'm just frustrated that this project apparently has the same issues it had three years ago when I found it impossible to get anything done.

Though, $160 a month for a test server is rather extortionate. I pay $50/month for a VPS with 4GB RAM and a lot of hard disk and that includes regular backups - with Linode.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: SleePy on May 09, 2017, 07:14:24 PM
The proxy issue was fixed and we even silently updated the test patch we have here to keep testing.  However a bug was discovered regarding search results and the proxy for https.  Devs are busy with real life and haven't had a chance to dig into what caused that issue (and neither have I).

Again, this update changes a lot of stuff and we are wanting to carefully test it to not find any bugs, like said bug.  The bug from my quick testing is only showing in 2.0, and hasn't affected 2.1.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: MobileCS on May 10, 2017, 03:29:06 AM
Though, $160 a month for a test server is rather extortionate. I pay $50/month for a VPS with 4GB RAM and a lot of hard disk and that includes regular backups - with Linode.

Oh, it's not a test server - it's in full use. I wouldn't spend that kind of money just for testing. As soon as 2.0.14 is released, I can move everything back to my main server where it belongs.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: tinoest on May 10, 2017, 02:44:33 PM
So engage the community to help. There are people who can help. Who are offering to help with this.

I tried that two months ago and it was clear they weren't interested in others help.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Arantor on May 10, 2017, 02:46:13 PM
@tinoest, this is why I quit the dev team 3 years ago, and things are in pretty much the exact same state :(
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: MobileCS on May 10, 2017, 05:07:56 PM
Devs are busy with real life and haven't had a chance to dig into what caused that issue (and neither have I).

How many *active* Devs are there on the team?
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: shawnb61 on May 10, 2017, 05:16:43 PM
I tried that two months ago and it was clear they weren't interested in others help.

I hear what you're saying, & I have a slightly different take on that.  I recently taught myself .php to help on 2.1.

My perceptions are that it's a small team, and each is focused on their set of concerns/contributions.  The team will rarely interact with noobs such as myself on the Issues list; to really get some attention, you must submit a PR.  Yes, outside PRs are prioritized lower, but I have always received good feedback, & all of my PRs have been tested & implemented.

Sometimes, though, it has taken well over a month for a response - any response.  This makes it hard to tell if you're working on things that are actually helping...

I sense the team struggles with the balance of new features vs fixes submitted by folks.  Bandwidth is if course an issue.  The 2.0 environment consumes time for weeks on end around release times and 2.1 falls by the wayside when that happens.  Crunch time (like recently with 2.0.14), as on any project, is not a good time to fold in new folks.  And like any team, they sometimes disagree.

So here are a few suggestions I have:
 - Interact with noobs better inbetween 2.0 crunch times; respond to issues candidly - cultivate the new contributors
 - All new issues should be clearly, quickly identified as bugs or enhancements
 - All new issues should be clearly, quickly prioritized (assigned a release); old issues, too for that matter...
 - Ensure the RC milestone assignments are meaningful; review & prune regularly
 - Be firm closing out issues when you'd prefer volunteers focus elsewhere
 - Be firm closing out old issues (many, frankly, are what I'd term philosophical debates among the Ancient Ones Who Are No Longer With Us...)

This will definitely hurt some feelings, but over time, will provide crisp direction & help cultivate the pool of contributors.

Sorry for rambling on.  Hope this helps.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Colin on May 10, 2017, 05:41:37 PM
Hey Shawn,

Those are all excellent suggestions and I'll post an update with some changes (many that you mentioned) regrading how we invite and prioritize development contributions in the coming week or so. I hear you, it is frustrating to wait for a review and get little feedback, especially when you work so hard on a PR. We are bringing on some new blood and hoping to speed up the 2.1 PR review process as soon as 2.0.14 gets out the door.

I just pushed the latest revision of the patch for internal review within the team and we are hoping this will be the release candidate. Hang in there.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Colin on May 10, 2017, 05:42:55 PM
So engage the community to help. There are people who can help. Who are offering to help with this.

I tried that two months ago and it was clear they weren't interested in others help.

I'm be in favor of opening up some of the future patch development for the 2.0 line
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Arantor on May 11, 2017, 02:58:22 AM
It's not like there isn't a board where the old timers could contribute in private dealing with any bugs without unfinished releases getting into the wild, or anything.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Ben_S on May 11, 2017, 07:53:52 AM
So engage the community to help. There are people who can help. Who are offering to help with this.

I tried that two months ago and it was clear they weren't interested in others help.

Strange, looked to me like Arantor was offering to see if he could help out earlier in this thread but noone took up his offer...

An ideal solution would have been to release the image proxy stuff as a mod in the meantime, or if the development wasn't behind closed doors users could have simply backported it for themselves.

It's sad but after almost 17 years with YaBB, YaBB SE & SMF I really am about to bite the bullet and migrate to Xenforo.

Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Antes on May 11, 2017, 08:14:24 AM
So engage the community to help. There are people who can help. Who are offering to help with this.

I tried that two months ago and it was clear they weren't interested in others help.

I'm be in favor of opening up some of the future patch development for the 2.0 line

ehm... I suggested, pre-release board to specific membergroups back in day...
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: tinoest on May 11, 2017, 03:24:06 PM
@shawnb61 - I do agree with you to a certain extent although Arantor who offered in this thread was a former SMF dev and I've been programming daily as a job for over 8 years. ( not that anyone on the SMF team will know that ) Arantor I also believe has Zend qualifications for what it's worth.

They just don't seem to be receptive to help on the occasion I offered which is why I stopped submitting PR's on github ( although I didn't do a great deal as I'm generally busy as we all are )
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: gorbi on May 12, 2017, 01:46:35 AM
Let them release the beta 2.0.14
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Arantor on May 12, 2017, 02:37:47 AM
SMF has never publicly released beta versions of patches before - but it's not like there isn't a place for veterans (you know, like people who have actually written SMF patches before now) that could take a look and maybe help out.

If the 'we're all volunteers' tagline is going to stick around to handwave away any perceived requirement to do some work, maybe allowing more people in isn't such a bad idea.

Given that PHP 7 debuted in December 2015 - we're now 18 months on from that and still no published patch... even for a team that wears the 'we're all volunteers' badge to deflect any criticism, that's a long time, guys. It makes me wonder if I should wait for 2.1 to be released or whether I start looking at forking SMF again because frankly I don't think I can trust SMF to release anything in a timely fashion any more.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Burridge on May 12, 2017, 04:23:58 AM
SMF is open source, yes? It does confuse me there isn't a public repository for the SMF 2.0.X branch. Surely having an open repository for the 2.0.X branch would be a good thing and would overall improve the product as well as improve the waiting times on new patches.

It does seem that SM does have a repository for the 2.0 line, so why not use it?
https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.0
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Arantor on May 12, 2017, 04:37:54 AM
Open source does not automatically imply open development, but very often confused and conflated as they are being here.

And given history, the number and quality of contributions would likely be questionable, possibly creating more work than not having contributors.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Burridge on May 12, 2017, 04:42:30 AM
Open source does not automatically imply open development, but very often confused and conflated as they are being here.
Hmm, you learn something new everyday! I'll do well to remember that, thanks.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Colin on May 12, 2017, 04:43:13 AM
Given that PHP 7 debuted in December 2015 - we're now 18 months on from that and still no published patch... even for a team that wears the 'we're all volunteers' badge to deflect any criticism, that's a long time, guys. It makes me wonder if I should wait for 2.1 to be released or whether I start looking at forking SMF again because frankly I don't think I can trust SMF to release anything in a timely fashion any more.

Not sure what to say other than, yes took substantially longer than expected but we are nearly there (doing final testing of the patch).

We'd love to have your help on 2.1. Help us get that out the door :)

With that said, it seems like we are going quite a bit off topic for the SMF 2.0.13 release thread.
Title: Re: SMF 2.0.13 Released
Post by: Illori on May 12, 2017, 05:05:08 AM
With that said, it seems like we are going quite a bit off topic for the SMF 2.0.13 release thread.

thank you all for your interest in SMF. this topic is about the release of SMF 2.0.13, since it has gone off track this topic is now locked.