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Title: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Colin on May 31, 2017, 09:21:59 PM
Dear Users,

Simple Machines is proud to announce the release of the 3rd Beta of SMF 2.1. This version contains many improvements over Beta 2 and also fixes many bugs that were discovered following its release.

Among the notable improvements:


For full details of what has changed, please see  our GitHub repo (https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1).


The general installation/upgrade procedure of this Beta release remains the same, however, once you upgrade from an older version to 2.1 you cannot go back, so please take careful consideration before upgrading any live site. Have a look at Installing and Upgrading SMF (https://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/Category:Installing_and_Upgrading) in the Online Manual to find out more. You cannot upgrade to 2.1 Beta 3 via the package manager; instead you will need to carry out the Large Upgrade process. SMF 2.1 can be obtained from the download section (https://download.simplemachines.org/).

Please note that because this is a beta release, translations and language strings other than English have not been finalized and may not yet be complete.

Finally, as always, this topic is not for support. Discussion and support for 2.1 can be found in the 2.1 support board (https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?board=254.0).

Finally, thanks to all of the team and development contributors (https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/graphs/contributors) who have brought us one step closer to a release candidate. On behalf of the project, we appreciate the time, energy and contributions you have made.

Thank you for using SMF

Kind regards,
Simple Machines Forum Team
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Looking on May 31, 2017, 09:25:22 PM
Good to see 2.1 moving forward. I await when it becomes a stable and recommended for live sites.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: CoreISP on May 31, 2017, 09:26:27 PM
Very nice work, thank you so much to everybody contributing and making this release possible! :)
Congrats team!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: shawnb61 on May 31, 2017, 09:59:16 PM
Yeah, baby!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: 青山 素子 on June 01, 2017, 12:49:08 AM
Been a long time coming, glad to see the progress.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Gwenwyfar on June 01, 2017, 12:56:13 AM
Nice! :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Linkjay on June 01, 2017, 01:16:33 AM
Beautiful.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: spiros on June 01, 2017, 01:19:24 AM
Well done, team, SMF rocks! I hope the next beta/RC release will not take a further 2 years :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Shkic on June 01, 2017, 05:09:27 AM
Using 2.1 in live site for 2 years and evertything works just fine.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: d3vcho(void) on June 01, 2017, 05:37:03 AM
Great work!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: scott3535 on June 01, 2017, 07:18:34 AM
WOOHOO!!!

I have to say that I'm looking forward to 2.1 more than any other software upgrade in recent years.

Party on, dudes.
 8)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Alpay on June 01, 2017, 10:05:03 AM
Good Job!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Dzonny on June 01, 2017, 10:14:19 AM
Thank you all, great work!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: BryanD on June 01, 2017, 10:39:17 AM
This rate next release be 2019 ...
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Sh@mbles on June 01, 2017, 10:45:13 AM
Good to see an improved proxy.php in there ;)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Colin on June 01, 2017, 01:22:25 PM
Good to see an improved proxy.php in there ;)

Will be properly fixed too in the next release.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: kat★ on June 01, 2017, 06:29:01 PM
The downloadable Large upgrade zip file seems to lack upgrade-helper.php, however, after manually putting it in the right place, things went smoothly. Mad props to the dev team!
+1 internets to you 8)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: SleePy on June 01, 2017, 06:35:41 PM
We've fixed that.  The upgrade packages now include that file.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: mrgtb on June 01, 2017, 06:50:49 PM
The full install ZIP package is missing the file: Settings_bak.php
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: mrgtb on June 01, 2017, 06:53:17 PM
I also spotted some issues this morning testing it you can read about posted here:

Link: https://theadminzone.com/threads/smf-2-1-beta-3-released.144396/

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I tested it today and think I spotted two issues. One, they didn't appear to include the "Settings_bak.php" file in the package (it's missing) but needed. Also, when I enabled the Calender and tried to visit it on the front-end. I get a blank page and later compared URL used leading to it with SMF 2.0 installed (stable version). Both use exact same URL link leading to calendar and works fine with stable version - not with the Beta 3 of 2.1 though it didn't. I tested both versions on purpose to rule out the page not being blocked by Mod Sec - but both versions used same URL link leading to Calendar. So not sure why it shows for 2.0 version and not Beta 3 of 2.1 on front-end?

Also tested it running under both PHP 7.0 and 7.1, not sure about this one - but both was giving error logs from cache directory (when cache was enabled) to indicate something used in a PHP file might now be depreciated. Soon as I switched to PHP 5.6 the error logs stopped, so it seems linked with using PHP 7+ unless I'm missing a php module that needs be activated causing it
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Kindred on June 01, 2017, 07:53:33 PM
Thank you for testing... it is a beta, after all...

However, I will say, reporting issues on another site is useless. Here or github are the only places that reports should be made.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Arantor on June 02, 2017, 04:45:34 AM
Also, that report is nonsense. Settings_bak.php is not supposed to be included, it's a backup of the main Settings.php file made when changes are made to the file. Why would it be included when it can *always* be regenerated by the software itself whenever it is needed?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: mrgtb on June 02, 2017, 12:02:23 PM
Also, that report is nonsense. Settings_bak.php is not supposed to be included, it's a backup of the main Settings.php file made when changes are made to the file. Why would it be included when it can *always* be regenerated by the software itself whenever it is needed?

So why is one included with SMF 2.0 download package then? You can always download both 2.0.14 and 2.1 Beta 3 and compare it to see for yourself.  ;D

And when you say one gets generated auto on server after making changes to settings. Not so sure about that, one didn't get auto created on mine after saving some server settings. I still kept seeing the warning text saying Settings_bak.php permissions was wrong - then when looking on host saw none was present.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Arantor on June 02, 2017, 01:17:34 PM
*shrug* That's what's _supposed_ to happen, at least. That's what the _bak part indicates, it's a backup.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: lurkalot on June 02, 2017, 03:21:07 PM
Thanks all.  Just giving this new beta a try locally. Noticed this in the admin center.

Support Information

Version Information:
 Forum version: SMF 2.1 Beta 3
 Current SMF version: SMF 2.1 Beta 2
(more detailed)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: The QE2 Story Forum on June 02, 2017, 03:56:33 PM
Can't wait!

Keep up the good work guys.

Thanks.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Gazmanafc on June 02, 2017, 04:03:23 PM
Thanks all.  Just giving this new beta a try locally. Noticed this in the admin center.

Run the Fetch Simple Machines Files scheduled task and it should update.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Nolt on June 02, 2017, 05:35:01 PM
Great work :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Vanilla Lumina on June 03, 2017, 03:06:25 PM
Awesome! Cannot wait until the final release, 2.1 looks to be great just like any other SMF version! I'm going to test beta 3 on a local server tomorrow and give back some feedback about it. ^^
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Irisado on June 04, 2017, 05:44:41 AM
Off topic and non-English posts removed.  Please only use English in English language boards and stay on topic.  Thank you.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: karlbenson on June 04, 2017, 09:36:08 AM
Well done to all involved! ;)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: gisfreak on June 05, 2017, 10:06:48 PM
at last , we see some progress here :D

*waitingpatientlyforfinal
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: engrz on June 08, 2017, 06:16:25 AM
Very Nice- Congratulations
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: 420SA on June 14, 2017, 03:12:51 AM
Cannot wait for the official release!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: ѕησω on June 14, 2017, 08:39:14 AM
Great work everybody :).
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: John. on June 15, 2017, 08:32:58 AM
Good job
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: laetabi on June 15, 2017, 11:51:11 AM
Applause... well done everyone involved.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Macabreo on June 15, 2017, 05:46:04 PM
Good job sir. Great work.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: woolly bugger on June 20, 2017, 11:18:18 AM
cool beans, upgrade to my beta board worked without a hitch.

keep on keeping on!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: confuseamuse on July 02, 2017, 08:49:12 AM
Looking forward to the progress.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: finnich on July 06, 2017, 02:06:12 AM
Yeayyy!!!!
Well done team proud of you>.....Thanks for the best product.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Serena Butler on July 06, 2017, 08:48:01 AM
Unfotunately it failed for me. I followed the proposed large upgrade procedure (exact like I done the beta's before):

Notice: Undefined index: db_mb4 in /www/htdocs/xxxxx/forum_smf/Sources/Load.php on line 89

Any ideas? It's kinda small Testforum and sure I have backups but like to know how to avoid this.

Thanks for your time!

cheers!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Nibogo on July 06, 2017, 10:38:02 AM
Unfotunately it failed for me. I followed the proposed large upgrade procedure (exact like I done the beta's before):

Notice: Undefined index: db_mb4 in /www/htdocs/xxxxx/forum_smf/Sources/Load.php on line 89

Any ideas? It's kinda small Testforum and sure I have backups but like to know how to avoid this.

Thanks for your time!

cheers!

Selena please do your support requests at the appropriate board: https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?board=254.0
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Joomlamz on July 07, 2017, 01:25:22 AM
Yes wait.....thank you
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Replikacep on July 18, 2017, 10:48:23 AM
Subs-db-mysql.php file has a utf8 problem on db connection created in ssi.php

Row 384 Subs-db-mysql.php

$connection->set_charset("utf8");


https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/issues/4205

Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Arantor on July 18, 2017, 11:48:51 AM
Define "problem".
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Steve on July 18, 2017, 12:32:38 PM
Finally, as always, this topic is not for support.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Bloc on August 01, 2017, 08:33:28 AM
Edited to remove quoted spam post, which had been deleted - Iris.

The beta3 is quite usable as it is, and beta4 is startet upon- on Github at least.

I am developing a new SMF theme for 2.1 beta3/beta4 and see no problem starting to use this version. No need to wait until RC versions - the more that use betas the quicker any issues can be dealt with and the sooner we can get to that stable RC version. I remember using 2.0 betas long before any 2.0 stable versions and there were quite a few changes in the default theme back then, from one beta to another.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Colin on August 01, 2017, 12:06:41 PM
It is perfectly fine to use the Beta version in a sandboxed personal environment, but we do discourage running any Beta version in a production environment. We certainly appreciate you testing SMF 2.1 and ultimately how you use it even in the beta stage is at your discretion.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Sharon117 on August 02, 2017, 07:34:49 AM
After struggling with SMF V2.0.14, I installed this BETA version and still found the same bug...
I log in as admin and when I try to log out it gives an error... also if you log in with registered members they log into each others accounts. I tried to downgrade to previous version but seems like you can't... Been using SMF on all my previous websites and it worked great! Hope you guys will fix this soon... And also... can't install any themes on BETA...

Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: d3vcho(void) on August 02, 2017, 07:37:16 AM
Please don't use this thread for support. Start a new topic in the right board, and you'll receive support there.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: makmurqq on August 28, 2017, 04:10:55 AM
I have to say that I'm looking forward to 2.1 more than any other software upgrade in recent years. glad to see the progress.

Link to website removed.  Please avoid putting links to your website in your replies, otherwise you will be warned for spamming - Iris.

Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Gheko on August 31, 2017, 10:45:36 AM
how can i fix this error:  /home/club206/domains/club-206.ro/public_html/Sources/Subs.php
==>3311:               $path = $modSettings['attachmentUploadDir'][$modSettings['currentAttachmentUploadDir']];
3312:   

Thanks!
le. i have beta 2 from the begining .. and i cannot pas to a stable smf :( is a live forum...well almoust dead because of fb:)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: d3vcho(void) on August 31, 2017, 10:49:47 AM
Finally, as always, this topic is not for support. Discussion and support for 2.1 can be found in the 2.1 support board (https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?board=254.0).
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: AdamExpoStand on September 07, 2017, 05:38:05 AM
Congratulations
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: pocttopus on September 10, 2017, 02:48:21 PM
How is it going with final release of 2.1?  ::)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Gazmanafc on September 10, 2017, 03:03:20 PM
It'll be ready when it's ready. We don't give ETAs on release dates, besides, it still needs to go through the RC phase first.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: CoreISP on October 19, 2017, 08:21:26 PM
The offtopic discussion has been merged with the existing topic in Chit Chat. Thanks.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: seosefi on October 20, 2017, 01:40:34 PM
It's a bit difficult to setup, but it works smoothly.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Astrorushi on October 23, 2017, 08:20:34 AM
This SMF 2.1 Beta 3 is not working properly i used this one 1 week after that i uninstalled
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Gwenwyfar on October 23, 2017, 08:22:12 AM
This SMF 2.1 Beta 3 is not working properly i used this one 1 week after that i uninstalled
Well, that's why it is called a beta. It would be helpful if you could detail what "wasn't working" in the bug reports or support section so it can be fixed.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Ricky. on November 07, 2017, 02:15:40 PM
This SMF 2.1 Beta 3 is not working properly i used this one 1 week after that i uninstalled

Thats pretty vague though, hopefully you were not looking for some magic out of SMF .. :)
Still sad to know SMF didn't work out for you.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: profzelonka on November 21, 2017, 03:39:48 AM
Congrats devs!

Can't wait for the RC/Final when it's ready!
How come it's called SMF 2.1 instead of SMF 3.0, if it's going to be so different from 2.0... ?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Arantor on November 21, 2017, 04:04:42 AM
Because the plan was to release a small upgrade while 3.0 was being worked on. Then people added more and more and more, but I think calling it 3.0 would be a mistake.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: pocttopus on November 22, 2017, 02:29:34 PM
How far away is 2.1 official release? ::)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Arantor on November 22, 2017, 02:37:34 PM
At least another year, possibly longer.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Raja G on November 29, 2017, 07:59:34 AM
Well done, team, SMF rocks!

Its great news for SMF users
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: butchs on December 31, 2017, 09:40:00 PM
At least another year, possibly longer.

So are you saying that updating mods for this version can be a frivolous endeavor wrapped in an enigma of frustration?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Colin on December 31, 2017, 11:48:41 PM
Hopefully not. We are getting there, but yes mods shouldn’t be updated until a release candidate.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: butchs on January 01, 2018, 05:17:46 AM
Thank you.  :)  Looking forward to the release candidate.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Suki on January 03, 2018, 10:57:59 AM
At least another year, possibly longer.

So are you saying that updating mods for this version can be a frivolous endeavor wrapped in an enigma of frustration?

Not entirely. A lot of the mod related stuff in 2.1 was added because I updated my mods to work with 2.1. Whenever there was a feature one mod needed I added it, whenever a mod borked something in SMF I fixed it.

So if you are in a helping mood, you could update a mod and help us find errors, merely testing the code via using the mod related features would help us a lot.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: nimue on January 18, 2018, 11:11:47 AM
At least another year, possibly longer.

Well then, I have no more patience. I'm waiting for so many years to get a modern smf (for example user mentions) and there are so many other things that are available in other forums. I will convert to another system now.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Arantor on January 18, 2018, 11:38:15 AM
Even though you can have mentions as an add-on today, of course...
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Kindred on January 18, 2018, 02:38:54 PM
He thinks that by telling us he's going to switch, we will suddenly and miraculously discover that 2.1 is ready for release just to make him stay....
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Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: SaltedWeb on January 19, 2018, 12:48:55 AM
He thinks that by telling us he's going to switch, we will suddenly and miraculously discover that 2.1 is ready for release just to make him stay....
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I've been waiting for world peace, since I was born still waiting. :-P
I like stability........... not instability. A hastened release would no doubt be less desirable, and then that what people
that wanted it now would complain about.   I work months before I even open up websites using this software,
would stand to reason real significant releases to update would take years. I am not a developer but had been in the past
and I always hated version updates that were fixes and people used full upgrade status not update status as they should
is pet peeve of mine. I was around when the first SMF betas were being tested and rightly so there were so many fixes, and even though one
could install it; it took a long time for solid release to happen. This is the want it now generation, having no idea that quality is worth the time.
My two cents.


Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: nimue on January 19, 2018, 02:01:55 AM
He is a she and no, she is not.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Steve on January 19, 2018, 12:49:52 PM
Moving to another system is entirely up to you ... in the meantime, back on topic please ... :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Irisado on January 20, 2018, 05:55:10 AM
2.1 release schedule discussion moved to Chit Chat: https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=558433.0
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: njtweb on April 27, 2018, 09:15:38 AM
Anybody running a live site anywhere to take a look at it in action?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: @rjen on April 27, 2018, 09:46:34 AM
Anybody running a live site anywhere to take a look at it in action?

Testing @ test2.fjr-club.nl

But it is a full copy so should give an idea...
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Bigguy on April 27, 2018, 02:50:50 PM
https://www.whatsurbeef.net   (smf 2.1 beta 4)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: njtweb on April 28, 2018, 08:51:42 AM
https://www.whatsurbeef.net   (smf 2.1 beta 4)

Interesting. Thank you
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Bigguy on April 28, 2018, 09:37:21 AM
I need to update it again. Last time it was updated was about 3 weeks ago or so I think.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: shinglis on April 29, 2018, 08:04:40 AM
I need to update it again. Last time it was updated was about 3 weeks ago or so I think.

How often do you update ? I'm thinking of migrating to 2.1 (yes I know not recommended) but it's a small forum and I think the benefits make it worth while. On the plus side will help with the testing / fault finding  ;D
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Bigguy on April 29, 2018, 08:15:13 AM
I update when I think there has been a lot progress on GH.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: albertlast on April 29, 2018, 12:17:17 PM
When you use the nightly download: https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=558451.0
you got a file with a url in there,
where you see how mutch commits/changes are behinde and
so you can "scan" if some changes could break (mostly when upgrade/install file get touches) your setup.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: shinglis on April 29, 2018, 02:50:19 PM
Thanks Guys.. going to build a test forum with 2.1 so I can get more familiar with it and then decide if to make it live.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Bigguy on April 29, 2018, 03:08:26 PM
Testing with it is a good thing. Taking it live is a different story. To keep it up to date there is a lot of updating to do. Not to many mods or themes are out for it yet either.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: kevinsystorm89 on May 15, 2018, 05:08:09 AM
You outdid yourselves with this version guys. Keep up the great work.

I have one question though, someone said that Smf 2.1. has been in development for 6 years and it has not reached the stable version yet. What is with the delay? 6 years is quite a long time to be spent on one version imho.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Sh@mbles on May 15, 2018, 05:39:38 AM
Quote from: kevinsystorm89
... in development for 6 years and it has not reached the stable version yet. What is with the delay? 6 years is quite a long time to be spent on one version imho.

Answers can be found in the 2.1 Discussion board   

https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?board=254.0
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Kindred on May 15, 2018, 07:03:38 AM
Do you want a good, solid, secure piece of software or do you want something fast?  You cant have both.

We are all volunteers, including the developers. They work when they have the time to do so and the software will be released when it's ready, not by any arbitrary timeline.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Gwenwyfar on May 15, 2018, 12:17:38 PM
As Kindred said. And as much as we'd love to see it released soon, we have to go with the pace everyone has time to work with. Because of this, any help is always appreciated, be it with small fixes, to reporting bugs, translations, etc :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: wintstar on May 26, 2018, 04:50:33 AM
Here my german 2.1 Beta4 page (https://www.stephan-frank.de). With custom page and own themes.
2.1 is on a very good way and the developers are doing a very good job  :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Torngate on June 07, 2018, 10:31:36 PM
Here my german 2.1 Beta4 page (https://www.stephan-frank.de). With custom page and own themes.
2.1 is on a very good way and the developers are doing a very good job  :)

How the heck did you get 2.1 Beta 4? As far as I can see there's only up to 2.1 Beta 3 on the download site.

Unless I'm missing something major.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Bigguy on June 07, 2018, 10:37:34 PM
Github has 2.1 beta 4
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Sesquipedalian on June 07, 2018, 10:43:32 PM
How the heck did you get 2.1 Beta 4? As far as I can see there's only up to 2.1 Beta 3 on the download site.

Unless I'm missing something major.

Since the release of Beta 3, the version on GitHub has been marked as Beta 4. You can get access to it at https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1 (https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1).
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Bigguy on June 07, 2018, 10:51:46 PM
It should not be used on a live site though. With that said, you should not be running beta 3 either, as it is out-dated.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: gevv on June 08, 2018, 11:03:10 AM
(https://s15.postimg.cc/okemqtlcr/do-not-eat2020.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

:D

Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: landyvlad on June 24, 2018, 10:18:08 PM
Here my german 2.1 Beta4 page (https://www.stephan-frank.de). With custom page and own themes.
2.1 is on a very good way and the developers are doing a very good job  :)

That looks good mate.

A question - the background image with transparency etc. Is that a feature of 2.1 (or something also available in 2.0 that I've missed).

What have you changed in the theme itself? It doesn't look all that different to my 2.1beta3 as far as I can tell from memory :)

 
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Bigguy on June 25, 2018, 06:23:45 AM
No it is not a feature. I did the same on my site but a little different. Most of it is just css edits with a bit of playin around in a template file or two.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: landyvlad on June 26, 2018, 12:00:11 AM
I wonder if that could be done with a mod?

Hint: write a mod to do it please !  :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: GigaWatt on June 26, 2018, 06:18:43 AM
Possibly... but for the default theme only, the mod probably wouldn't work on other themes.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: landyvlad on June 27, 2018, 09:34:32 PM
That's cool I only plan on using Curve2 anyway.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: GigaWatt on June 28, 2018, 08:27:09 AM
Yeah, Curve2 is a great theme ;). I like it a lot ;).
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: wintstar on June 28, 2018, 04:55:25 PM
Here my german 2.1 Beta4 page (https://www.stephan-frank.de). With custom page and own themes.
2.1 is on a very good way and the developers are doing a very good job  :)

That looks good mate.

A question - the background image with transparency etc. Is that a feature of 2.1 (or something also available in 2.0 that I've missed).

What have you changed in the theme itself? It doesn't look all that different to my 2.1beta3 as far as I can tell from memory :)
I only copied the default theme, pasted a background image and customized the css. The first and reference page is not a mod. I added it to the system. I don't like the portal system. Too much for me. Download and contact page are Mods from 2.0. These I adapted to the GDPR. Not a big action.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: jmariga on July 05, 2018, 04:36:46 AM
Will this version be fully compatible to PHP 7?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Arantor on July 05, 2018, 04:39:54 AM
Yes, although the current version (2.0.15) is also ready to go with PHP 7. It’s just plugins that aren’t.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Dellanime on July 13, 2018, 08:05:01 PM
Yeah, Curve2 is a great theme ;). I like it a lot ;).

 I totally agree !
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: pocttopus on July 23, 2018, 07:10:45 AM
This is beta4 release?
https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Arantor on July 23, 2018, 07:16:18 AM
There is no official beta 4 release yet - but the code literally gets updated nearly every day so a 'beta 4 release' could be anything from a few months ago until today.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Replikacep on July 23, 2018, 02:10:50 PM
Beta 4 mu or rc1 will occur  which will be released ????
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Aleksi "Lex" Kilpinen on July 23, 2018, 02:12:41 PM
At the moment, beta 4 is a working title. Time will tell if it will be an rc or a beta.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Arantor on July 23, 2018, 02:13:12 PM
I largely suspect the next release will actually be called RC1. Right now the code calls itself beta 4, however given how close the list of 'RC1 items' is, it's quite possible that beta 4 will be skipped and go straight to RC 1.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Replikacep on July 23, 2018, 02:21:28 PM
I largely suspect the next release will actually be called RC1. Right now the code calls itself beta 4, however given how close the list of 'RC1 items' is, it's quite possible that beta 4 will be skipped and go straight to RC 1.

hope come rc version
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Arantor on July 23, 2018, 02:26:35 PM
But why, though? What does it being called 'RC1' get you that it being called 'beta 4' doesn't? It's just a version number - until final happens, it doesn't *really* mean anything.

If anything, a repeat of 2.0 would be bad - 2.0 RC1 wasn't actually that great.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Replikacep on July 23, 2018, 02:46:10 PM
But why, though? What does it being called 'RC1' get you that it being called 'beta 4' doesn't? It's just a version number - until final happens, it doesn't *really* mean anything.

If anything, a repeat of 2.0 would be bad - 2.0 RC1 wasn't actually that great.
I do not believe in 4 years now rc1 e
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Arantor on July 23, 2018, 03:21:19 PM
So what? If the next release were called beta 4, or it were called RC1, it's still an in-development project, simple as that.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: landyvlad on July 24, 2018, 08:32:18 PM
Is my understanding correct that the real "difference" is  -

beta - lots of changes, regularly. Strongly recommended NOT to be used in production.
RC - theoretically stable for production use, but still in a work in progress.
Final - good to go, install away and enjoy !
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Aleksi "Lex" Kilpinen on July 24, 2018, 10:59:22 PM
RC basically means the product should be ready to use, and the devs believe it does not have any major issues anymore.
Ideally, RC and final would be nearly identical.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Arantor on July 25, 2018, 02:40:20 AM
All I’ll say is look at what happened with 2.0.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: GigaWatt on July 25, 2018, 04:08:05 PM
RC - theoretically stable for production use, but still in a work in progress.

RC is short for Release Candidate. It means "we hope the product is ready for a Final releases, but we're not really sure yet, there might still be a few small bugs, so basically, it's more or less safe to use, but with caution"... also, it's still not advisable to use a RC on anything that you've invested in.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Arantor on July 25, 2018, 04:24:16 PM
I say again: look at 2.0 ;)

Specifically compare 2.0 RC1 to 2.0.0, or even 2.0 RC1 to 2.0 RC2.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Aleksi "Lex" Kilpinen on July 25, 2018, 05:42:06 PM
Yes, well. I did say ideally. 2.0 RC was not an ideal case really.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: landyvlad on July 25, 2018, 10:46:57 PM
Hopefully the lessons from 2.0 will mean we won't see/required RC1, RC2, RC3 etc

I know everyone is looking forward to 2.1 Final - hopefully that won't be TOO far off, but only time will tell.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Antes on July 26, 2018, 04:32:11 AM
All I’ll say is look at what happened with 2.0.

A huge management mistake ?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Arantor on July 26, 2018, 04:46:00 AM
No, the fact that Curve wasn’t ready for RC1, came out in RC2, overhauled significantly in RC3. Or the hasty introduction of protected groups in RC4. Or the release of RC5 to reassure some of the... political agitants that SMF hadn’t backed itself into a corner.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: pocttopus on July 30, 2018, 04:10:04 AM
I know only one thing, that everyone is eagerly awaiting the official stable version. ::)
Please make it faster...  :-\

Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Veee on July 30, 2018, 07:25:09 AM
I am also super excited for SMF 2.1 to come out, but remember... Good things take time. :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: SMiFFER on August 01, 2018, 08:23:02 AM
Is everybody happily wasting time fighting about words again?

I remember I posted a thread named "congratulations SMF on the 7th birthday of SMF 2.0 Gold" and it was deleted right away. What I wanted to draw the attention to was this:

Is it not possible for some here to stick to the subject and/or the work?

FACT is: 2.0 GOLD is 7 years old and 2.1 is long overdue
FACT is: the team has changed and learned from its mismanagement
FACT is: suggestions are worthless because everything is swept off the table with "it's feature-locked"

I am looking forward to seeing a release finally coming, so all these nervecutting word-wars about nothing can
finally take their end and features and improvements can be discussed again.

Thumbs up, team!

Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Arantor on August 01, 2018, 02:09:31 PM
Quote
FACT is: 2.0 GOLD is 7 years old and 2.1 is long overdue

Correct. It was never meant to be a big release was already overdue 5 years ago when I tried to re-rail it, though I consciously added new features to it then because a release that no-one cared about because it had nothing compelling in it was worse than no release at all. But even I never expected it to take another 5 years.

Quote
FACT is: the team has changed and learned from its mismanagement

You say this with such certainty.

Quote
FACT is: suggestions are worthless because everything is swept off the table with "it's feature-locked"

Most suggestions are not worthless because of feature lock. Most suggestions aren't worth much because they're not really suitable for a generic piece of software - many of them would be very suitable if building a gaming forum or a roleplay forum or some other specific kind of forum, but not a general purpose forum.

Quote
so all these nervecutting word-wars about nothing can finally take their end

They're not about nothing. They're just about things you don't care about - that doesn't mean others don't care.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Douglas on August 05, 2018, 05:30:40 PM
"Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose" -- Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr

This is more directed to the "Jr. Member" that thinks they know everything. You don't.

"This has been a rare sighting of the Emergency Bear Activation program. Had this been a test, your chances of survival would be greatly increased."

// Back to the shadows...
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Arantor on August 05, 2018, 05:39:12 PM
Hey Douglas, long time no see.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: SilverKnight on August 05, 2018, 11:45:41 PM
SMF is still one of my favorite forum systems, sadly reddit is attacking the personal community structure as new users of the internet don't understand anything outside of it.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Aleksi "Lex" Kilpinen on August 06, 2018, 05:30:21 AM
Hi Doug! :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: u3games on August 10, 2018, 05:19:45 PM
NICE!!  ;)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Mick. on August 16, 2018, 08:06:36 AM
Alright, just upgraded my dev-site to 2.1. Let's see what's under the hood shall we?  :P
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Kindred on August 16, 2018, 09:31:10 AM
you used the github version, right?
The download version of beta 3 is WAY out of date at this point.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Mick. on August 16, 2018, 10:05:03 AM
you used the github version, right?
The download version of beta 3 is WAY out of date at this point.
Oh i didnt see you post... ol' boy just point it out your post ;) thank you.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: 406Northlane on September 18, 2018, 02:31:44 PM
Question from a SMF newbie...

Safe to assume that 'eventually', 2.1 will be available via package manager?

I'm on 2.0.15 but like I said... newbie with this particular forum software. Not sure if I'm ready to tackle a manual install.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Kindred on September 18, 2018, 02:33:22 PM
no.

2.1 will be a major release...   this means you must use the upgrade archive/process, not the patch process.
You will never be able to upgrade from a 2.0.x release to a 2.1.x release by using the package manager
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Richard K on October 03, 2018, 12:38:59 AM
When will we be expecting the full release
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Arantor on October 03, 2018, 03:04:45 AM
When will we be expecting the full release

When it’s done, same as ever.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: movierchives on October 18, 2018, 01:14:36 PM
Will this 'new' version have a mobile friendly theme as default?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Arantor on October 18, 2018, 01:24:13 PM
Yes, it comes with a responsive theme as the default theme.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: movierchives on October 18, 2018, 07:23:53 PM
I know we can't ask on time frames but how is this going because I've just noticed beta 3 is from 2017
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Aleksi "Lex" Kilpinen on October 19, 2018, 12:05:54 AM
If you want, you can check on Github. Work is ongoing, and progress is being made. https://github.com/SimpleMachines
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: landyvlad on October 19, 2018, 07:44:04 AM
When will we be expecting the full release

When it’s done, same as ever.

Feature request: Auto-responder to save Arantor the trouble every time   ;)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Arantor on October 19, 2018, 08:56:37 AM
Then it needs a secondary feature, to track the estimated date and bump it by a week every time someone asks, or if they complain about it taking too long.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Gwenwyfar on October 19, 2018, 10:21:34 AM
Then it needs a secondary feature, to track the estimated date and bump it by a week every time someone asks, or if they complain about it taking too long.
;D
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Nolt on October 20, 2018, 03:56:57 PM
I only hope that when SMF 2.1 be released, it will not be much outdated or big step backwards compared to other forum scripts  :-X  SMF is a amazing and solid software but needs a little speed up in developing  ;)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Arantor on October 20, 2018, 04:13:44 PM
If I were to point out that XenForo 2.1 is shipping native desktop/mobile push notifications (except iPhone/iPad) without needing an app, and that when XF first started out, SMF 2.0 was still trying to make Curve 1... I'll let you be the judge of 'compared to other forum scripts'.

meanwhile, *rubs out previous release date, adds another month*
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: movierchives on October 21, 2018, 01:54:24 PM
I only hope that when SMF 2.1 be released, it will not be much outdated or big step backwards compared to other forum scripts  :-X  SMF is a amazing and solid software but needs a little speed up in developing  ;)
I've been thinking the very same thing and I still remember the team saying this release wouldn't take as long as the last, I forget how many years ago that was now
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: BryanD on October 21, 2018, 01:58:11 PM
tbh its already behind others
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Arantor on October 21, 2018, 02:15:03 PM
2.0 released in 2011.

*rubs out the 2.1 release date in the secret board, adds another week to the date*
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Gwenwyfar on October 21, 2018, 03:36:11 PM
I only hope that when SMF 2.1 be released, it will not be much outdated or big step backwards compared to other forum scripts  :-X  SMF is a amazing and solid software but needs a little speed up in developing  ;)
I've been thinking the very same thing and I still remember the team saying this release wouldn't take as long as the last, I forget how many years ago that was now
We don't have enough developers to move it along faster, plain and simple. Maybe the situation was different back then (I wasn't around for that)

Maybe if more people tried to help instead of just complaining it would be already finished. Remember this is an open source project and no one is paid to work on it.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Bigguy on October 21, 2018, 03:48:27 PM
Personally as a viewer of GH on a daily basis, I think the progress has been going very good recently.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Sesquipedalian on October 21, 2018, 04:06:25 PM
Anyone who wants to help speed us along is more than welcome to help out (https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/issues).
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Bigguy on October 21, 2018, 04:23:58 PM
They should also check this link. It looks real good I think:

https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/milestones
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: shinglis on October 21, 2018, 05:09:50 PM
They should also check this link. It looks real good I think:

https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/milestones

Yes been following. Very tempted like you @Bigguy make my site live with this beta version and help with the bug identification / issues.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Bigguy on October 21, 2018, 05:46:45 PM
Any help from all would be great. ;)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Nolt on October 21, 2018, 07:05:47 PM
We don't have enough developers to move it along faster, plain and simple. Maybe the situation was different back then (I wasn't around for that)

Maybe if more people tried to help instead of just complaining it would be already finished. Remember this is an open source project and no one is paid to work on it.
I totally agree with you and I regret we lack of more devs to help :'(

I think that users who visit this site are just concern that nothing is going on with 2.1 progress. People just like reading news rather than visiting GIT and check milestone or bug tracker. In past we had more SMF 2.0 WIP released than now.
Mine point is that maybe would be better to post a news from time to time about the progress (even when no new beta/rc are released) rather than nothing.

Personally as a viewer of GH on a daily basis, I think the progress has been going very good recently.
That's true, fingers crossed to keep with this work.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: live627 on October 21, 2018, 08:45:33 PM
Need a bigger hammer :P
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Bigguy on October 21, 2018, 08:57:13 PM
Lol
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: wintstar on October 23, 2018, 05:37:27 AM
A saying in Germany says:
Good things take time :)

2.1 is on the right track.



Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: movierchives on October 23, 2018, 10:46:06 AM
They should also check this link. It looks real good I think:

https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/milestones

I don't get that, RC1 93% complete and RC2 32% complete

So two release candidates are being worked on at the same time?  :o
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: d3vcho(void) on October 23, 2018, 10:47:26 AM
No, just some issues and stuff are tagged for RC1 while some others are tagged for RC2. RC1 tagged issues must be solved for RC1 release, and RC2 ones dont.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Gwenwyfar on October 23, 2018, 12:13:41 PM

I think that users who visit this site are just concern that nothing is going on with 2.1 progress. People just like reading news rather than visiting GIT and check milestone or bug tracker. In past we had more SMF 2.0 WIP released than now.
Mine point is that maybe would be better to post a news from time to time about the progress (even when no new beta/rc are released) rather than nothing.
Maybe. Though if that is done it would likely go into dev blog rather than this news section.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Kindred on October 23, 2018, 05:21:00 PM
They should also check this link. It looks real good I think:

https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/milestones

I don't get that, RC1 93% complete and RC2 32% complete

So two release candidates are being worked on at the same time?  :o

technically, yes....   dozens of versions may be worked on "at the same time"
Issues get tagged to a version for release. Those issues MAY get addressed before the release even officially starts work.... or an issue that was addressed for RC1 may have been bumped out to RC2 - and so forth.

Realistically, don't worry about anything except the next release - and even then, the stats are more fluid than fixed, given that issues can be pushed out ot brought in, depending on severity, etc.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Bigguy on October 23, 2018, 06:04:08 PM
Fluid is right. I have seen RC1 go from 95% complete to 83% complete in the blink of an eye. All who work on it are working hard to get it out. One fix might cause two bugs and they have to be fixed and so on. It's frustrating sometimes, lol.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: GigaWatt on October 23, 2018, 07:56:37 PM
It's frustrating sometimes, lol.

Coding usually is :P... considering it's consisted of 5% of the time actually coding, 95% fixing bugs, LOL :D.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: live627 on October 24, 2018, 12:01:47 AM
and code just gets more annoying when you know several languages. Can't mix PHP and C#, for example.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: gevv on October 24, 2018, 12:11:13 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/wvhbf0XF/Untitled-1.png)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Bigguy on October 24, 2018, 12:23:03 PM
That's a very nice pic. Gotta love it. :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: shawnb61 on October 24, 2018, 10:23:42 PM
For better or worse, in Github, random contributors submit whatever they want to, whenever they want to.  Most get bent out of shape when their prs aren't mmediately tested and merged by the devs.

Which uses up dev time.   A lot of it.  (And who really wants to spend days and weeks testing someone else's stuff?)

But they don't want to discourage good contributions. 

So...   

You prioritize.  It's a basic, minimalist, workable, self defense mechanism. 

And submissions come in all over the map.

I welcome the recent focus on specifying RCs.  It sets priorities and expectations.  RC2 is a polite way of saying well look at your contribution.  Later.

It's a good thing.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: SMiFFER on October 26, 2018, 10:11:13 AM
They should also check this link. It looks real good I think:

https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/milestones

^^^^ This really gives hope! ^^^^  You made my day!
Title: So true!
Post by: SMiFFER on October 26, 2018, 10:16:33 AM
Just in the very first topic on git hub that I open
(https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/issues/4930)
I read this:

quote:
"team should inform community better"

That hits the nail on the head.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: d3vcho(void) on October 26, 2018, 10:20:57 AM
Different people, different opinions.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Gwenwyfar on October 26, 2018, 10:27:04 AM
Not sure that was the intention of the comment, but either way, I agree. The problem is we just don't have anyone focused on this because everyone is busy doing other things.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Torngate on October 29, 2018, 01:44:35 AM
Loving seeing the progress y'all are making. Wish I had the programming aptitude to help out, but alas 'tis not to be.

Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: wintstar on October 29, 2018, 04:18:06 AM
There are still outdated 2.1 Beta 3 (https://download.simplemachines.org/) available for download, although they are outdated. Also the language packs for it. The current beta archives of Github should be offered, so that you can also test at the current state. Very often there were error messages. It turned out then sometime that it was an outdated Beta3 archive. This should also be changed. The few know that on Github already Beta4 is active. Also applies to the outdated language packs that are still recommended => https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=562247.0 (https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=562247.0)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Replikacep on October 29, 2018, 02:21:21 PM
can't it be a little speedy rc version rc can be completed this year ?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Kindred on October 29, 2018, 03:07:38 PM
+1 month
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Replikacep on October 29, 2018, 03:39:06 PM
we will wait and see the end of +1 month  :o
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Arantor on October 29, 2018, 03:47:17 PM
No, every time someone asks if it can be done quicker, we add another month to how long it’s already going to take.

Just in the last week alone, the next release date has extended by over three months.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: live627 on October 29, 2018, 04:04:26 PM
There are still outdated 2.1 Beta 3 (https://download.simplemachines.org/) available for download, although they are outdated. Also the language packs for it. The current beta archives of Github should be offered, so that you can also test at the current state. Very often there were error messages. It turned out then sometime that it was an outdated Beta3 archive. This should also be changed. The few know that on Github already Beta4 is active. Also applies to the outdated language packs that are still recommended => https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=562247.0 (https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=562247.0)
but beta 3 is an official release, beta 4 is just something the files on github are called for some reason.

No, every time someone asks if it can be done quicker, we add another month to how long it’s already going to take.

Just in the last week alone, the next release date has extended by over three months.
So, a Duke Nukem Forever type release schedule? lol 
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Arantor on October 29, 2018, 04:08:59 PM
No, not a DNF schedule, just one that is realistic. Every complaint makes it take longer.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: wintstar on October 29, 2018, 04:43:30 PM
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but beta 3 is an official release, beta 4 is just something the files on github are called for some reason.It is not logical to offer Beta3 here for testing and to be much further on Github. Some report bugs from Beta 3 that are already fixed on Github.
That's no way to get testers, no way to get ahead. On Github is working on Beta4, so why not officially release it?


Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Johnny54 on October 29, 2018, 04:53:17 PM
Beta 4 is still being worked on. It is not ready to be released.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Antechinus on October 29, 2018, 05:21:07 PM
It is not logical to offer Beta3 here for testing and to be much further on Github. Some report bugs from Beta 3 that are already fixed on Github.
That's no way to get testers, no way to get ahead. On Github is working on Beta4, so why not officially release it?

Presumably because they're not yet happy that it's ready to be called Beta 4. It's easy to test if you want to test it. Just download the latest build from GitHub and install it wherever you like.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Arantor on October 29, 2018, 05:21:38 PM
I strongly suspect that beta 4 is simply a holding name and that the next release will be RC1 once all the remaining bugs that are important enough to not wait are fixed...
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Antechinus on October 29, 2018, 05:23:26 PM
That makes sense. ;) In which case they'd definitely want to be sure it's ready to be called an RC.

(Says he, with dire memories of the 2.0 RC cycle)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: live627 on October 29, 2018, 06:34:57 PM
Dire memories indeed.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Kindred on October 29, 2018, 07:24:46 PM
Also calmer releasing an official version on the website is not a simple as pushing a button.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Replikacep on October 30, 2018, 01:16:28 AM
I think smf should be a paid software and seo should come smf ink structure change must be sitemap
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Arantor on October 30, 2018, 04:02:06 AM
I think smf should be a paid software and seo should come smf ink structure change must be sitemap

The first thing is never going to happen, the second is also never going to happen, the third is unlikely but possible, I guess.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Kindred on October 30, 2018, 10:28:58 AM
SMF will never be paid. period.
Simple Machines is already an incorporated corporation. We're not going to change our corporate structure (and even if we did, it would have no effect on SMF, the software....)
Sitemaps are available in several different formats as mods.

Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: live627 on October 30, 2018, 03:32:55 PM
On that note, here's a little write-up that's existed since the dawn of SMF: Why free is better

https://www.simplemachines.org/about/whyfree.php
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Arantor on October 30, 2018, 04:28:33 PM
Besides if it went paid, I suspect the person suggesting it would then complain about how expensive it is and demand it be free again.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Antes on October 30, 2018, 05:15:37 PM
Besides if it went paid, I suspect the person suggesting it would then complain about how expensive it is and demand it be free again.

No they just use nulled version.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Arantor on October 30, 2018, 05:52:39 PM
And then be denied support and complain about it.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: BryanD on October 31, 2018, 07:50:00 AM
I think smf should be a paid software

If your willing to pay why not do the next best thing and become a charter member, you will be funding SMF and feel like you are buying a license ...
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: cpf on November 04, 2018, 11:50:39 PM
No, every time someone asks if it can be done quicker, we add another month to how long it’s already going to take.

Just in the last week alone, the next release date has extended by over three months.

I believe this.  This explains how we're half a decade into beta.

I'd be using it right now and fat and happy if the pretty URLs could be ported.

Triple posts deleted/merged - Iris.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Arantor on November 05, 2018, 01:47:12 AM
No, every time someone asks if it can be done quicker, we add another month to how long it’s already going to take.

Just in the last week alone, the next release date has extended by over three months.

I believe this.  This explains how we're half a decade into beta.

Sadly, it was a joke. The real reasons amount to three complete replacements of dev team in that time, no one having a concrete vision of what 2.1 should actually contain (and therefore no way to know when “done”) and everyone just doing it in their spare time.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Vahid on November 11, 2018, 05:12:50 PM
is there any new news or estimated time for stable version?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Arantor on November 11, 2018, 06:07:19 PM
* another week added to the estimate.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: landyvlad on November 13, 2018, 04:57:48 AM
Maybe a solution to the constant questions might be a stickied thread titled, "When is 2.1 going to be released?"

with
(https://i.postimg.cc/wvhbf0XF/Untitled-1.png)   




(OK well not a solution but it might be easier just to point people to that thread rather than explain over and over... and over.. again)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: d3vcho(void) on November 13, 2018, 05:11:05 AM
1. We already explained that *a lot* of times.
2. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle
3. I wrote the last dev updates from Dev's Blog (with help of some members of the team, of course). Because apart from the developers not a lot of people among the team has development knowledge or perhaps, time to write a new article (my case, right know), it's kinda difficult to get one of those periodically. Furthermore, if you're wondering why devs doesn't write them, it's because we prefer them to focus on real development rather than writing new blog posts.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Arantor on November 13, 2018, 05:12:57 AM
No one reads stickies. Once it gets enough comments, it just becomes a ball of people asking the questions answered by the first post because reading the first post is effort.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: live627 on November 13, 2018, 05:25:00 AM
The mobile version of Wikipedia is kinda nice on a desktop PC, ironically enough.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: whoey on November 14, 2018, 06:59:28 AM
Maybe a solution to the constant questions might be a stickied thread titled, "When is 2.1 going to be released?"

with
  • A brief explanation re why no dates set.
  • An explanation of what RC1, RC2 and Final means; and
  • A periodically updated copy of the github progress as per:
(https://i.postimg.cc/wvhbf0XF/Untitled-1.png)   




(OK well not a solution but it might be easier just to point people to that thread rather than explain over and over... and over.. again)
and today that's showing no issues open for RC1... is it finally happening?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Antes on November 14, 2018, 07:14:43 AM
Quick add some issues to the RC1 list before users get their hopes up :D :D
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Sesquipedalian on November 14, 2018, 11:00:18 AM
There's a process and a good bit of work involved in putting together a release from the code on GitHub, so patience is still required. Progress is advancing, as you can see, but as always, the official release date is "when it's ready." ;)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Arantor on November 14, 2018, 12:06:43 PM
And don’t forget, every time someone asks, add another week ;D
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: d3vcho(void) on November 14, 2018, 12:11:05 PM
Yeah, we have already a.. uhm.. 37 week delay? More or less?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Kindred on November 14, 2018, 03:58:26 PM
if they keep asking, the actual release date will catch up to the original plan + delay. :)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Gwenwyfar on November 14, 2018, 04:00:35 PM
I keep having doubts about how we will use the delay. Maybe have a team vacation ::)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: d3vcho(void) on November 14, 2018, 04:09:23 PM
I keep having doubts about how we will use the delay. Maybe have a team vacation ::)

Paid?
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Gwenwyfar on November 14, 2018, 07:14:48 PM
Is there payment in candy? I'd accept that.

Or we could do a Cuban move and pay everyone in rum.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: landyvlad on November 14, 2018, 07:35:30 PM
Or we could do a Cuban move and pay everyone in rum.

If you reward all the devs post RC1 release with rum, then RC2 is gonna be funky !!!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: live627 on November 14, 2018, 08:33:03 PM
I wanna be paid in oatmeal raisin cookies. :D
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Looking on November 14, 2018, 08:50:53 PM
Really looking forward to a stable version. Sometimes there is a need to put up a new forum up and 2.1 sounds better than 2.0.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Antes on November 15, 2018, 07:11:47 AM
I must say, the only reason I'm no longer in team because they refused to pay me in catnip. So catnip brings you this kitty back just saying  ::)
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: live627 on November 15, 2018, 05:51:37 PM
lol
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Rock Lee on November 15, 2018, 06:17:26 PM
Step by Step my teacher used to say because if everything is hurried, the faults sprout up in heaps. *eating cookie*
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: SMiFFER on November 18, 2018, 02:33:27 AM
I must say, the only reason I'm no longer in team...

Ohoh, dev-members dropping out again? That can well bring another year.

And because I said it, two !
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Antes on November 18, 2018, 07:21:04 AM
I must say, the only reason I'm no longer in team...

Ohoh, dev-members dropping out again? That can well bring another year.

And because I said it, two !

Don't nit pick the joke... that's not nice.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: live627 on November 18, 2018, 09:02:13 PM
/me has rejoined in the past month...
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: SugarD-x on November 19, 2018, 07:52:46 PM
I must say, the only reason I'm no longer in team...

Ohoh, dev-members dropping out again? That can well bring another year.

And because I said it, two !

Don't nit pick the joke... that's not nice.
What about nip-picking it? ;D

But in all seriousness, I appreciate the hard work you guys have done and continue to do. I'm really excited for the next release. PHP 7.2.x has forced me to use it in a live manner in at least one location, (yes, I know. You're not supposed to do that), but it has been unbelievably stable so far. The only issue I've run into was from the lack of updates to one of my favorite mods because the mod developer has been too busy working on SMF itself! :P

All in all, I know the community doesn't always show it much, but we do love you guys for what you do for us. Please keep it up!
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: OCJ on December 10, 2018, 05:17:43 PM
When will the next release be? (multiplied by 52).

I think it's wrong people saying development is slow. It just looks that way as others are moving so much faster - all relative.

How about  SMF 2.1 Beta 3.1
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: live627 on December 10, 2018, 05:43:02 PM
Quote
How about  SMF 2.1 Beta 3.1
That's actually not a proper naming scheme.

See semantic versioning § 9 https://semver.org/#spec-item-9

No beta 3.1 allowed
Beta 3  comes after beta 2.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: OCJ on December 11, 2018, 07:35:21 AM
It was kind of tongue in cheek.

I have now moved away from SMF but after looking around I found that other forums are also suffering or on the verge of closing down. As Arantor said, SMF is a mature package, and forums are not the most popular choice they once were. Some of the new company targeted forum/message apps are making money though.
After using my 'new' forum I do miss some functionality I had with SMF. That's often the case - some things are better, some worse.
I hope SMF picks up a bit as it served me well for 10 years.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Arantor on December 11, 2018, 07:52:50 AM
Then again we have n the past had 2.0 RC 1-1 and 2.0 RC 1.2, both bad decisions that have haunted ever since.
Title: Re: SMF 2.1 Beta 3 Released
Post by: Kindred on December 11, 2018, 10:58:17 AM
shush! Those shall never be mentioned in the light of day again! :P