I recently took over smokey-services.eu ( just before the former owner passed away )
We currently run:
SMF 2.0 RC1.2 which is very out of date now and I'd like to upgrade to
SMF 2.0.15I've read the following...
QuoteIf you use older versions of SMF, you can upgrade directly to 2.0.15 from whichever version you are currently using by using the "full upgrade" archive from the downloads page.
Be aware that using this upgrade method will require you to reinstall any customizations that you have added to your forum, so if you are running a version of the 2.0.x series, it is recommended that you apply the successive patches instead of using the full upgrade.
But am concerned because the former owner told me that because of the mods installed.... the board software couldn't be updated as the mods installed are not compatible and would cause a site crash.
So basically what would be my best option to upgrade...
Upgrading
Patching
Fresh InstallHave added a list of the installed Mods.
Thanks
Please list mods In text instead of attachment.
Also, yes... the only way you can upgrade is using the upgrade archive. There is no patch path for RC versions... however, you absolutely must upgrade, regardsless of losing mods, because you are about 20 versions behind, including some very serious security patches.
Okay, I'm going to list the mods for you since I feel like being a nice guy ( :P ) but in future do as Kindred said because most of the support staff are here on their mobile devices and reading plain text is much easier ...
OP's mods:
1. Prevent Adding Signature Images And Links 2.0
2. HTTP Only Cookie Flag 1.0
3. BK-SMF Sub-Board 1.5
4. Admin color in topic view 0.1
5. Login Security 1.0.2
6. Forum Firewall 1.0.10
7. Last Post On MemberList 1
8. Aeva ~ Auto-Embed Video & Audio 6.0.71
9. Avatar Optimization 1.0.1
10. SMF 1.0.18 / 1.1.10 / 2.0 RC1-2 Update 1.1
11. Personal Messages to Membergroups 1.3
12. eFloating Bar for Guest & Members 0.1
13. View Signatures Permission 1.2
14. PM Attachments 1.2
15. Annoy User 1.1
16. SMF Topic Prefix Mod 1.1
17. Recent Post Settings 1.0
18. Google Talk Profile Field 1.1
19. PM Readed 1.0
20. Mark Personal Messages as Read 1.0
21. DisableTemplateEval 1.2
22. NoFollow All Links 1.0
23. Prettier_Quotes 1.12
24. Bots VS Browsers 1.1
25. Bad Behavior mod 1.5.18
26. Copy Topics 1.5.1
27. SMF Staff Page 1.6
28. Pm_Informer 2.0.0.1
29. Watermark.light 1.2
30. MCLegendII RC1 3.0
31. Show Local Url Titles 1.1
32. Login Logger 1.0
33. AJAX Instant Quick Reply 1.0.2
34. Category View 2.1
35. Sitemap 2.0.0
36. Captcha on Reminder 1.0
37. Internal_Links_Use_Same_Window 1.2
38. PM to New Members 1.0
39. nCode Image Resizer 1.2
40. MetaTags Modification 1.5
41. [BBCode] Dotted Underline 1.0
42. Permissions Info 1.5
43. AutoKeywords 1.1
44. Board Sort Methods 2.0.1
45. Bot Buster 1.1
46. PaypalDonations 2.0
47. Message for your guests 0.1
48. Disable Subject Change 1.3
49. Profil Moderator Managment 1.0.0
50. Disable Right Click 3.1
51. Boilerplates for posts 1.2.1
52. Google Search Your Site 1.0.0
53. vB Style Topic Author Name 1.0
54. Double Check your Email in Registration by SmfSimple.com 1.0
55. Move Old Topics 1.0
56. Display Location on posts 1.0
57. Board Notes 1.0.7.1
58. Auto Complete Search 1.0
59. eNinja - Admin Notes 0.9.2
60. Save PM as HTML 1.0.7
61. Bakers Dozen Pages 1.1
62. clickableImagebbcode 1.0
63. Define BBC 1.0
64. Order Stickied Topics 1.01
65. Add Honey Pot to Track IP 1.1
66. Attachment Icon File 1.0
67. Admin member list registration date 1.0
68. Topic Count in Profile 1.2
69. Redirect_Moved_Topics 1.0
70. Last Active On MemberList 1.01
71. Prevent Attachment Hotlinking 1.0
72. Profile Fields & Icons Mod 1.0
73. Topic Note 0.4.1
74. Reply Button in All Posts 1.0
75. New In Topic View 1.1
76. Advanced Contact Form 1.1
77. Fake Online Time | S-Ace 1.1
78. Box BBCode 1.2
79. Activity_Bar 1.0.1.1
80. PM Attachments 1.1
81. Latest Post Redesign 1.0
82. Redirect Banned Users 1.1
83. Search Focus Dropdown 1.3
84. EmailValidator 1.0
85. Hide ip stuff for users 1.0
86. SimpleSEF 1.0.3
87. Custom Page With Tab Button 1.2
88. Redirect Info Icon 1.0
89. SMF Canonical Tag 1.2
90. AllCaps Notifier 1.0
91. Bot Buster 1.1
92. Post_and_Change_as_Alternate_User 2.0
93. Active Members In Topic 1.8
94. Add Domaintools to TrackIP 1.1
95. Favicon 1.2
96. Post Unapproval 1.0
97. Add GooglePlus to Posts 1.0
98. H1 Tags in link tree 1.0
99. Page_Reload_Mod 1.1
100. RSS Feeder 1.1.1
101. Discourage IE6 2.1.1
102. reCAPTCHA for SMF 0.9.5.4a
103. Remove Reply Prefix 1.0
104. Quote Clear Line 1.0
105. Pm Number in All Pages 1.0
106. Hide Info Center From Guests 1.0
107. Discourage IE6 2.1
108. phpBB3_Login_Fix 1.0
109. Previous and Next Topic Enhancement 1.0
110. View Email Permission For SMF 2.0 Beta 4 2.0
111. No BBC 1
112. Anti Bot: Unrecognizable Form 1.0
113. Global Topics 1.0
114. SMF 1.0.17 / 1.1.9 / 2.0 RC1 Update 1.0
115. Mod Hide Post 1.4
116. Member Color Link 3.0.7
117. Buddy Page 1.1
118. Track IP on ip-adress.com 1.0
119. Ban List 2.0
120. Apache Error Handler 1.1
121. BBC In Custom Title Beta 1.0
122. TopicStarter Mod 1.3
123. Post History 0.1
124. Skype Profile Field 1.1
125. Restrict Email Providers on Registration 1.2
126. Share This Topic 1.1
127. More Spiders 1.2
128. Topic View Log 1.1
129. Clickable Avatars 1.1.0
130. Ban Link in Post 1.1
131. Stop Forum Spam 1.0
132. Separate Sticky and Normal Topic 1.0
133. New Topic Button 1.0
134. Global Headers Footers 2.0
135. MessagePreviewOnHover 1.7
136. Choose Ignorable Boards 1.1
137. Auto Purge Old Topics 1.1
138. No Reply Emails 1.3
i run a lot of mods also and at some point, i will hit the wall like you have - but i know what i would have to do:
1. take a week off !
2. install a fresh (test box) system but keep my old DB, converting the DB if i have to.
3. reinstall (attempt the latest versions) most/all the mods in the same order that i did originally, excluding those now redundant. Back up the DB+files between major changes. Test each mod and be prepared to drop any mods that are not worth the trouble.
4. test it all for a while, trying to break it.
5. devise a migration strategy.
6. give up if it all gets too hard OR go with vanilla to get started.
NB - life is too short to never forget point "6." :-[
With a mod list that long, I'd add a step in there somewhere "2.5 Abandon all mods that are not really necessary, before starting to install them again." There are many mods in that list that many wouldn't notice missing at all, or have already been made part of the core functions in some shape or form.
Thanks for the replies.
QuotePlease list mods In text instead of attachment.
Sorry about that.... my bad.
Quote1. take a week off !
Yes, I had a feeling this would take some time to get right.
QuoteThere are many mods in that list that many wouldn't notice missing at all, or have already been made part of the core functions in some shape or form.
When I went through the list, I did wonder why some of those had been added.
Now that I have an idea of the strategy that I need to take I will make a start.
Thanks again.
Good luck. :)
Thanks Alexsi
If I get stuck I know where to come for advice.
Now I know why the previous owner didn't bother upgrading.
Ran the upgrade and immediately received this message:
QuoteYour MySQL version does not meet the minimum requirements of SMF.
So checked to see what I was running...
MySQL 4.1.20
PHP 2.8.2.4Server does say they can supply; PHP 5.5 / 5.6 / 7.0 / 7.1 / 7.2, MySQL5.7, Apache2.4, Perl5.16, Python2.7.5, CGI scripts
If I upgraded to PHP 7, how would this effect my present live site.... as I've read that older versions of SMF don't run on newer versions of PHP.
i really doubt your server is running php 2.8.* as SMF does not support that. do a good backup and upgrade to php 5.6, you also need to upgrade mysql while you are at it. so do a good database backup.
use php 5.6 for now...
but get the hell off of that ancient version of php and mySQL... those are outdated, insecure and just asking for trouble
Quotei really doubt your server is running php 2.8.* as SMF does not support that.
this is what I see when going into the server....
(https://i.imgur.com/RyRlIPB.png)
Quoteuse php 5.6 for now...
Just thought if I went for 7, I'm not going to get this problem again.
But if 5.6 is going to serve for some time then I'll get on to it.
But will my present live site still work if I change to 5.6?
phpmyadmin is not the same as php version. you should still upgrade the mysql version.
That's not the version of PHP, that is the version of your phpMyAdmin -tool. :)
See: What is a phpinfo() file? (https://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/What_is_a_phpinfo()_file)
Quotephpmyadmin is not the same as php version.
Ar right, sorry about that.
This is what I'm concerned about...
QuoteVersions of SMF below 2.0.7 will not work on PHP 5.5. If you use PHP 5.5 it is required to use SMF 2.0.7 or greater.
As the site is presently running SMF 2.0 RC1.2 is it going to run if I upgrade to 5.6,?... obviously the upgrade to SMF 2.0.15 is not going to be an overnight thing.
it should but you may get some errors. you should upgrade soon as you can as you are many security fixes behind.
Quoteyou should upgrade soon as you can as you are many security fixes behind.
Yes i appreciate that.
This is the reason I want to get on with the upgrade.
Quoteit should but you may get some errors.
Ok thanks.
Obviously I'm new to all this and am learning as I go along.
Thanks for the advice.
Just to clear up my earlier confusion on the PHP version.
Have now found out it's PHP Version 5.2.3
Will get updated to; PHP5.6 and MySQL5.7 and then try the upgrade again.
Now that sounds more understandable. :)
And PHP 5.6 is probably the best option for the time being,
higher versions would likely cause compatibility issues with some of your mods.
Sorry I'm back again.
Sorted everything out with my webhoster.
So now I have.......
QuoteServer type: MySQL
Server version: 5.7.20 - MySQL Community Server (GPL)
Apache/2.4.6 (CentOS) OpenSSL/1.0.2k-fips mod_fcgid/2.3.9 PHP/5.5.35 mod_python/3.5.0- Python/2.7.5
Database client version: libmysql - 5.6.37
PHP version: 5.5.35
phpMyAdmin
Version information: 4.4.15.10,
But when I try to run the upgrade, I get:
QuoteUpdating Your SMF Install!
Your MySQL version does not meet the minimum requirements of SMF.
Please ask your host to upgrade.
Why do I get this message now?
Quote from: Aleksi "Lex" Kilpinen on January 30, 2018, 02:26:12 PM
See: What is a phpinfo() file? (https://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/What_is_a_phpinfo()_file)
Try this. I've seen several forums where cpanel was repporting incorrect software versions, and host support insisted it was correct.
Thanks for the reply,
I already had that uploaded to the server......
(https://i.imgur.com/on5QeHa.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/yWkAnGG.png)
http://www.smokey-services.eu/newtest/phpinfo.php
You shouldn't be getting mysql errors in 5.6.37. You're in php 5.5.38, that shouldn't be a problem either. I would do what's been suggested above, do a clean install and reinstall mods you need. Don't know if there were any database changes since RC 1.2. Are you able to install upgrade patches with package manager?
Quote from: Sir Osis of Liver on February 03, 2018, 10:44:00 PM
Don't know if there were any database changes since RC 1.2.
there are many database changes since RC 1.2.
QuoteI would do what's been suggested above, do a clean install
I'm beginning to think that this may be the only way around the issues.
If I were to create a new database and install a fresh copy of SMF, is it possible to transfer the membership, posts etc over?
This is what I obviously don't want to lose...
Quote114142 Posts in 88533 Topics by 4887 Members.
Being new to this I'm not sure what is possible and what isn't.
Quote from: Sir Osis of Liver on February 03, 2018, 10:44:00 PM
Are you able to install upgrade patches with package manager?
If you can patch the existing install to 2.0.15, it will update the database and eliminate mysql errors. If you do a clean install, you'll have to run
upgrade.php to fix the database, then reinstall current versions of any mods you need. Either way, you shouldn't lose any of your content. Just be sure you have a good database backup before you do anything.
Hi Sir Osis,
QuoteIf you can patch the existing install to 2.0.15, it will update the database and eliminate mysql errors.
Looks like that's not going to be possible...No way to patch RC1.2
QuotePlease note that patches are usually not provided for development versions of SMF (betas and release candidates (RC).
(https://i.imgur.com/SgUWOR5.png)
Wow, that's really old. There's no option to patch up. Having a problem upgrading RC1.2 -> 2.0.15. Working on it.
Now comes the part when I have to bow my head in shame....
Sitting here thinking about the problem:
Procedure for the test forum would be.... create directory, copy over files etc from the main directory that the forum runs from, then add the upgrade utility and let it overwrite some of the old directories/files etc. then run the upgrade.
Is that correct?
If so... I did it all wrong.
I created the test directory, added the upgrade utility and then added the contents of the main forum directory and let it overwrite some of the upgrade directories/files
Can't believe I was so dumb. :-[
Would hold off doing anything for a bit. I'm unable to upgrade clean RC1.2 install to 2.0.15. Running upgrade to 2.0.1, let's see if that works ....
Ok, thank you Sir.
I appreciate the time you're taking over this.
Ok, you can't upgrade RC1.2 -> 2.0.15, you get outdated files error. Can't upgrade RC1.2 -> RC2 or 2.0.1, database upgrade stalls after first couple of steps. Here's how I got it to work:
- Revert php version from 5.6 -> 5.3
- Upgrade RC1.2 -> 2.0.1 - upload 2.0.1 upgrade package, run upgrade.php
- Upgrade php 5.3 -> 5.6
- Upload 2.0.15 upgrade package
That will put you at 2.0.15, not necessary to run .15 upgrade.php. This was done on clean install with new database. Make sure you have good database backup, check upgrade option to create backup tables.
Thanks for all that.
QuoteUpgrade RC1.2 -> 2.0.1 - upload 2.0.1 upgrade package
so that would be the SMF 2.0 - SMF2.0.1?
or do you mean 2.0.1 from the package manager?
Quote- Upload 2.0.15 upgrade package
That will put you at 2.0.15, not necessary to run .15 upgrade.php.
So that's going from SMF2.0.1 - 2.0.15?
again, is that from the package manager?
QuoteThis was done on clean install with new database
There's quite a few mods installed on this forum (some probably not compatible with newer versions)
Would it be best to set this up and run this in a test forum first?
From the test forum can I remove the mods before running these upgrades? ( to hopefully make it smoother) then install the later version of mods at the end?
I upgraded RC1.2 to 2.0.1 using 2.0.1 large upgrade package and running upgrade.php, that updates database to 2.0.1, there were no database changes after 2.0 went final. Once you're running in 2.0.1, you can upload 2.0.15 large upgrade package, which will update everything to .15. You don't do any of this with package manager, you have to upload the upgrade packages via ftp or cpanel file manager. You'll have a clean install, all mods and customizations will be gone, the files are overwritten.
Hi Sir,
QuoteI upgraded RC1.2 to 2.0.1 using 2.0.1 large upgrade package and running upgrade.php
Ok, found the 2.0.1 large upgrade in the archives.
Quoteyou can upload 2.0.15 large upgrade package, which will update everything to .15
Ok, got that as well.
QuoteYou'll have a clean install, all mods and customizations will be gone, the files are overwritten.
Sounds great.
Now I can get rid of this antique software and move on.
Thank you for the time you spent on this.
Where did you get that version info? Are you sure it is correct?
Doesn't look like he did the upgrade. Problem I found testing this is upgrade scripts were not compatible with php version. RC1.2 -> 2.0.15 wouldn't run in php 5.6, outdated files error. RC1.2 -> RC2 or 2.0.1 would run, but stall after first couple of steps in database upgrade. Got it to work by doing RC1.2 -> 2.0.1 in php 5.3, then 2.0.1 -> 2.0.15 in php 5.6. No idea if this would work on his production install.
QuoteDoesn't look like he did the upgrade.
No day off until Sunday, so the upgrade is ear marked for then.
Will copy the main directory to a test directory and run the upgrade from there first.
Will have to create another database first though because it seems the first upgrade to 2.0.1 will change the database... if it doesn't work, I don't want to screw up my live forum.
My bad, I was erroneously inquiring about the DB version error mentioned earlier, without noticing all the discussion after it. I'm sorry.
But to address the upgrade issues Sir Osis mentioned, I haven't seen those issues myself, the only outdated files errors I've seen have been about language files when the Admin account is using anything other than non-utf8 english, and that can be worked around.
Clean RC1.2 install, clean database, ran 2.0.1 upgrade in php 5.6 and got outdated files error. Server was logging php code errors, including deprecated mysql functions. Best guess is deprecated mysql code was causing db errors, and outdated files error was red herring, upgrade was throwing wrong error because it didn't know what else to do. Upgrade ran normally in php 5.3, same mysql version. Running an early RC in production forum not really a good idea. :P
OK, you got me curious enough - I'll probably have to test that out. I do have multiple PHP versions available on my VPS. :P
Just to say that the first part of the upgrade to 2.0.1 went like a charm.
No problems at all.
Will give the test site a few days and if everything is ok, I'll bring the test site up to 2.0.15
If that's ok, I'll then fetch the main site up to date.
Many thanks for all the advice guys.
www.smokey-services.eu/newtestaa
Should be no problem upgrading 2.0.1 -> 2.0.15, just have to upgrade php version first (I run everything in 5.6). Forum is running normally, there are no additional db changes. Make sure you get current versions when you reinstall mods.
And preferably update the forum first, and only after that start installing mods. Will be a lot less messy than the other way around :)
Just to report.... Main forum now running 2.0.15
Can't believe how easy that was.
Sir Osis..... you're instructions were spot on :)
Thank you.
Now to look at installing the mods.
Sounds good. :) Are we ready to mark this solved then?
QuoteAre we ready to mark this solved then?
Yes, by all means :)
Nice. :) Made it so ;)