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Title: Responsive issue
Post by: movierchives on December 13, 2018, 07:27:50 AM
I've recently had an email from Google saying the temporary mobile compatible theme on my forum isn't good enough and it will affect my sites search results so I really hope this isn't much longer.........something to do with the icons etc being to close etc
Title: Re: Responsive issue
Post by: Kindred on December 13, 2018, 07:38:17 AM
...  and?

What does that have to do with the 2.1 beta 3 release?

If you are running 2.0, then install a responsive theme.
Title: Re: Responsive issue
Post by: SugarD-x on December 13, 2018, 08:31:31 AM
Since when does Google send out emails like that? I don't think even their Webmaster Tools are that intelligent.
Title: Re: Responsive issue
Post by: movierchives on December 13, 2018, 03:00:34 PM
...  and?

What does that have to do with the 2.1 beta 3 release?

Err because it has a working updated mobile theme & SMF users are being penalised by Google right now using 2.0.x

If you are running 2.0, then install a responsive theme.

Not found one that works right with ad management!

Since when does Google send out emails like that? I don't think even their Webmaster Tools are that intelligent.

I've had them a few times, Google are getting strict and this corrupt work around theme is getting old

(https://www.simplemachines.org/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi68.tinypic.com%2Fr7mbn5.jpg&hash=f78c89f801b55eead1b78eac823d2137)
Title: Re: Responsive issue
Post by: Kindred on December 13, 2018, 03:40:50 PM
there are a bunch of responsive themes in 2.0, including the Responsive Curve mod that makes the standard Curve theme meet google's standards.

And although 2.1 is progressing, the final release is not going to be soon enough to stop google from penalizing non-responsive sites if they don't update their own themes.
Title: Re: Responsive issue
Post by: Arantor on December 13, 2018, 03:52:58 PM
Yes but does it work with the ad management mod to insert ads (which will likely get you penalised anyway if they’re not Adsense, and possibly even if they are)?
Title: Re: Responsive issue
Post by: Kindred on December 13, 2018, 04:03:07 PM
As with any mods....    We certify specific functioning for the core product. Adding mods and themes may break those functions or validations and it is up to the mod author and the individual admins to make things work cleanly. :)

Potentially, adding AdManager will break the responsiveness of 2.1 themes as well
Title: Re: Responsive issue
Post by: movierchives on December 13, 2018, 04:18:00 PM
I use the new responsive ads from Google and they seem to work fine on ad management now using the Responsive Curve but like I said Google don't like Responsive Curve
Title: Re: Responsive issue
Post by: Kindred on December 13, 2018, 04:21:57 PM
I have doubts... but if you have an issue with responsive curve, then post in the support thread - not in the beta3 release thread (which is a year old at this point anyway)
Title: Re: Responsive issue
Post by: movierchives on December 13, 2018, 04:38:28 PM
I have doubts... but if you have an issue with responsive curve, then post in the support thread - not in the beta3 release thread (which is a year old at this point anyway)
I don't Google does which is why I was asking about this which I'm told has a better mobile friendly theme, I think all SMF users should be concerned about this
Title: Re: Responsive issue
Post by: Arantor on December 13, 2018, 04:42:58 PM
Only if you care about Google driving traffic to your site which isn't a factor for all SMF sites.
Title: Re: Responsive issue
Post by: SugarD-x on December 13, 2018, 07:51:36 PM
That email is from Google Search Console and not Google Webmaster Tools. Are you sure this isn't just a theme-related issue with the search section only? SMF 2.1 Beta 4, (or whatever the latest GitHub repo version is officially called), isn't triggering warnings from Google like this for me. In fact, I've been using it since Beta 1 on multiple websites and I've yet to get anything from Google complaining about the themes, mobile or otherwise. I also haven't had any problems on my SMF 2.0.x forums. Not trying to push the discussion off-topic any further, but just food for thought.
Title: Re: Responsive issue
Post by: Kindred on December 14, 2018, 08:39:49 AM
he's not complaining about the beta versions...   he's complaining that his 2.0 theme is triggering the warnings and wants us to hurry up with 2.1 because of it.
(he just can't be bothered to post his issues in the correct thread to deal with them, if there are actually real issues with the responsive curve mod)
Title: Re: Responsive issue
Post by: Gwenwyfar on December 14, 2018, 08:44:35 AM
I've actually just tested it on my plain 2.0 forum (with responsive mod in it), and it is throwing errors as if the responsive file was not there at all. Which are the same two errors movierchives posted, plus a bunch of "Page loading issues". The screenshot shows the normal desktop version. Maybe something is wrong with google bot fetching it, or there's something else it does not like and then fails to get the files/page.

Edit: Just ran it a few more times, and now it shows all good... their test interface is all bugged out (loading multiple times in a row after 20 seconds with the button not responding, or starting loading after you went to another page) so might be just their error to fix.
Title: Re: Responsive issue
Post by: movierchives on December 14, 2018, 11:38:17 AM
(he just can't be bothered to post his issues in the correct thread to deal with them, if there are actually real issues with the responsive curve mod)

Why are you being so pedantic, I asked a simple question about SMF 2.1 (and why) and then when someone questioned me I posted proof of an issue so no need to be so nasty to people!

As for "if there are actually real issues with the responsive curve mod" I think Google has answered that
Title: Re: Responsive issue
Post by: Kindred on December 14, 2018, 11:55:38 AM
and yet.... I just ran the responsiveness test from Google on my site with Responsive Curve and got a clean, passing grade. This implies that your issues form google may be related to some other mod which affected your layout.

I am being pedantic, because pedantry is my specialty. :)  but I'm not nasty...
Speaking of pedantry...   You didn't actually ask anything about 2.1
I've recently had an email from Google saying the temporary mobile compatible theme on my forum isn't good enough and it will affect my sites search results so I really hope this isn't much longer.........something to do with the icons etc being to close etc
(no question there. Just a statement about a 2.0 issue which, if it's actually an issue, should have been noted, along with any questions, in the responsive Curve mod support thread.)


Gwenwyfar...

I just ran it with no problem.
Title: Re: Responsive issue
Post by: Gwenwyfar on December 14, 2018, 01:34:04 PM
I wouldn't be so sure. If it happened once it can happen again. But there isn't enough information to confirm what was the problem, it's just a guess without seeing his forum or if the theme looks intact.

Google isn't too picky. It mostly checks if things are not in odd sizes or if nothing overflows, it can be a mess and still pass the test.
Title: Re: Responsive issue
Post by: movierchives on December 15, 2018, 07:41:53 AM
I wouldn't be so sure. If it happened once it can happen again. But there isn't enough information to confirm what was the problem, it's just a guess without seeing his forum or if the theme looks intact.

Google isn't too picky. It mostly checks if things are not in odd sizes or if nothing overflows, it can be a mess and still pass the test.
The theme is fine, the problem is what Google said about spacing etc.

I've just had abuse here for what, wanting a mobile friendly forum which clearly we're not going to get for years here..........I can't even get this account deleted
Title: Re: Responsive issue
Post by: SychO on December 15, 2018, 07:47:47 AM
The theme is fine, the problem is what Google said about spacing etc.

I've just had abuse here for what, wanting a mobile friendly forum which clearly we're not going to get for years here..........I can't even get this account deleted

Actually, there are some good responsive themes for 2.0
Title: Re: Responsive issue
Post by: Gwenwyfar on December 15, 2018, 08:00:20 AM
I wouldn't be so sure. If it happened once it can happen again. But there isn't enough information to confirm what was the problem, it's just a guess without seeing his forum or if the theme looks intact.

Google isn't too picky. It mostly checks if things are not in odd sizes or if nothing overflows, it can be a mess and still pass the test.
The theme is fine, the problem is what Google said about spacing etc.

I've just had abuse here for what, wanting a mobile friendly forum which clearly we're not going to get for years here..........I can't even get this account deleted
So, either something in your theme is broken and you are not seeing it, or google bot broke while viewing your site... we can't confirm it without knowing more.
Title: Re: Responsive issue
Post by: Antes on December 15, 2018, 08:06:24 AM
I wouldn't be so sure. If it happened once it can happen again. But there isn't enough information to confirm what was the problem, it's just a guess without seeing his forum or if the theme looks intact.

Google isn't too picky. It mostly checks if things are not in odd sizes or if nothing overflows, it can be a mess and still pass the test.
The theme is fine, the problem is what Google said about spacing etc.

I've just had abuse here for what, wanting a mobile friendly forum which clearly we're not going to get for years here..........I can't even get this account deleted

Send me the forum link, I`ll handle the issues personally.
Title: Re: Responsive issue
Post by: landyvlad on December 18, 2018, 06:59:45 PM
movierchives  it seems to me that you are ignoring the information and advice that people are giving here, and sticking to your own assumptions about whatever email it was that google sent you.

You'll see that many people here are willing to help - if you let them and don't resist their explanations being possible as opposed to your own theories.  As mentioned there are responsive themes available. I've used responsive curve for years and have never had any issue such as you describe.

Despite all that people are STILL willing to help as per Antes' generous offer above.




Title: Re: Responsive issue
Post by: drewactual on December 27, 2018, 02:11:33 PM
for what it's worth:  shoutbox causes these 'errors'. 

i've seen the precise same error, and it's ALWAYS on the page containing the shoutbox. 

my 'console' message is the precise same as the OP's:
Quote
To owner of xxxxx/,

Search Console has identified that your site is affected by 2 new Mobile Usability related issues. This means that Mobile Usability may be negatively affected in Google Search results. We encourage you to fix these issues.

Top new issues found, ordered by number of affected pages:
Clickable elements too close together

Content wider than screen 

i've not concerned myself too much about it as this site isn't driven by native searches- maybe 4~500 a month arrive there from a search of the 400k hits a month... if this is the case with the OP, there may be some resolve found by spending a fair amount of time in the shoutbox css and/or code addressing form widths/height...

the ONLY other time i've seen it is when there is a 'clickable' (i.e. a hyperlinked) IMAGE that doesn't resize with the screen... offering up some css to get started with that addresses that:
Code: [Select]
.linked-image {display:block;width:80%;max-width:800px; height:20%;max-height:200px}
.linked-image img{width:100%;height:auto}
  @media only screen and (max-width: 600px) {
  .linked-image {max-width:400px;max-height:100px}
  }