Simple Machines Community Forum

Simple Machines is pleased to announce the release of SMF 2.1 RC2. This second release candidate includes a number of bug fixes and improvements to security, stability, and performance. Notable improvements since RC1 include:

• A fix for a bug that prevented background tasks, including sending notifications and alerts, from completing.
• Improvements to the theme templates.
• Database query improvements and optimizations.
• Improvements to the upgrader, including more graceful recovery if corrupted data is encountered.
• Efficiency improvements to the image proxy.
• Security improvements for PHP 5.x.
• 4-byte Unicode characters are handled correctly even on databases that do not support them.
• SMF's Like button will not be hidden by ad blockers.
• The obsolete Yahoo Messenger profile field has been dropped.
• The default list of holidays now extends until 2030.
• Sizes of uploaded files are calculated correctly.
• Implements permissions system for BBCodes. (Mostly useful for custom BBCodes.)
• Some bugs in the editor have been fixed.
• Ampersands no longer break the post preview function.
• Desktop alert counter always reports the correct number.

You can read about these and many other improvements in the list of changes (https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/pulls?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Apr+merged%3A%3E%3D2019-02-04) on GitHub.

The term "Release Candidate" means that the developers believe this version of the software is reliable enough to be installed and used on production websites. Nevertheless, you should still expect to encounter some bugs in SMF 2.1 RC2. We encourage you to report any bugs you find.

You can install SMF 2.1 RC2 as a brand new forum, or upgrade to it from SMF 2.1 RC1, SMF 2.0.15, or any prior version. You can obtain an install or upgrade package from the download page (http://download.simplemachines.org/). You can read Installing and Upgrading SMF (http://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/Category:Installing_and_Upgrading) in the Online Manual to learn more.

Modification and theme authors are encouraged to check the roadmap for our upcoming development milestones (https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/milestones) when deciding how to update their modifications and themes for SMF 2.1.

Finally, as always, this announcement topic is not for support. Discussion and support for SMF 2.1 can be found in the SMF 2.1 support board (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?board=254.0).

Special thanks are due to all of the team members (https://www.simplemachines.org/about/smf/team.php) and code contributors (https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/graphs/contributors) whose fantastic work has made this possible. We greatly appreciate the time, energy, and contributions that they have given to the SMF project.

Thank you for using SMF!

Kind regards,
Simple Machines

Well done guys. Keep up the great work :)

Nicely done!

Congrats, and thank you.  ;)

Good job guys.!

Awesome work, thanks guys!

I like to see the fast track.

Congratulations everyone :)

Thank you very much for all the hard work by the team and all contributors. :) Very nice to see the quick progression!

It is beautiful to see the RC2, Congratulations to all the collaborators :)!!!

Great to see such a fast turnaround from RC1. Keep up the good work!

Congrats on the release!

Quote from: Oldiesmann on March 30, 2019, 01:48:06 PM
Great to see such a fast turnaround from RC1. Keep up the good work!

Totally echo the above sentiment, great work, and effort from all and really appreciated.

That was pretty fast. Congratulations.

Thank for your update!
:)

Nice!  :)

Congratulations to the team.

Could it be an update from the package update

To switch from rc1 to rc2

Not possible package updates do not occur in beta/rc releases.

It's good to see that things are moving. Keep up the good work!

Congratulations. Nice work. :)

Now things are getting interesting. I may even start playing with SMF code again (that way lies madness).
Congrats on the release. :)

Congratulations everyone and great work :).

Congrats on the release.

Great stuff -- Many thanks to the team!

Cheers,
Jason

wow that is fast

nice .......

👍 that was quick. And I just checked the RC3 milestones it's already holding by 29%. Last I checked it was 5%!!

Whoever put/is putting in their free time for this I thank you.

Congratulations!

Quote from: Antechinus on March 30, 2019, 05:38:38 PM
Now things are getting interesting. I may even start playing with SMF code again (that way lies madness).

Nothing wrong with being a little mad.

Congratulations to the team.Good Work ;D

Congrats!

Great work guys! Keep it up, and we will have SMF2.1 stable till the end of this year :D

Very cool y'all!

 ;D Congratulations to the team for there excellent work..

Awesome work by all involved.

hi there 

Congrats to the team for their efforts and outstanding work, upgrade went without a hitch

Well that's no fun at all. The devs must have forgot to add the amusing bits.

Good job all!

Quote from: Antechinus on April 01, 2019, 03:14:30 AM
Well that's no fun at all. The devs must have forgot to add the amusing bits.

Might not have been such a good idea to leave it all to the ponies. Maybe they got lost. Blast it.

I heard that the ponies were partying like it's 1999.

Haven't heard of ponies much lately, but I heard Helsinki PD just opened a whole new "drugmule" training program to replace K9 -units.

It's April Fool's day! It would be awesome if you have announced the Final is ready ;D ;D

I haven't read the previous posts when I saw Aleksi's one about the ponies and I thought ye're talking about today's unicorns of StackOverflow :D

Quote from: live627 on April 01, 2019, 10:40:48 AM
I heard that the ponies were partying like it's 1999.

It's all about the Pentiums.

Not to spoil the surprise, but in the next major version of SMF we will make ponies the main focus. And make sure it runs optimally on Pentiums and Commodores, it's all about time travel these days.

Quote from: Arantor on April 01, 2019, 01:25:21 PM
It's all about the Pentiums.

But have you got Turbo, bro?  :D

thank you so much for doing this guys! been on SMF since 2007.

Congratulations! Nice work

Looks great guys

I'm throwing an eye on the progress at github, the RC3 is at 50%. This looks great, I'm really happy seeing how fast the issues are resolved.
If the current rate is kept, it seems that we'll see the Final months before the end of the year. What a great news!

SMF 2.1 is awesome. It really is an amazing update from old faithful 2.0.15. In my particular case, I had to deal with several major problems but, little by little, and with the awesome support of all the SMF family, I am a super happy upgraded user. I loved SMF 2.1 RC1, but I will surely love RC2 even more. Thank you so much for supporting my community since 2008!

Quote from: Pyrhel on April 05, 2019, 09:29:18 AM
I'm throwing an eye on the progress at github, the RC3 is at 50%. This looks great, I'm really happy seeing how fast the issues are resolved.
If the current rate is kept, it seems that we'll see the Final months before the end of the year. What a great news!

They are going at an impressive rate at the moment. I checked the open issues list, and 16 of them are either waiting on pull requests or are listed as "Has Fix".  Of course there are bound to be a few gnarly ones that will slow things down, but overall it's going very well.

Quote from: Antechinus on April 05, 2019, 07:31:42 PM

Quote from: Pyrhel on April 05, 2019, 09:29:18 AM
I'm throwing an eye on the progress at github, the RC3 is at 50%. This looks great, I'm really happy seeing how fast the issues are resolved.
If the current rate is kept, it seems that we'll see the Final months before the end of the year. What a great news!

They are going at an impressive rate at the moment. I checked the open issues list, and 16 of them are either waiting on pull requests or are listed as "Has Fix".  Of course there are bound to be a few gnarly ones that will slow things down, but overall it's going very well.

And that is extremely encouraging. Things haven't looked this good since 2010. :D

I just upgraded to RC2... I hope RC3 doesn't come along too soon...  :P :P :P :P  ;D

I think your the first one to say that......EVER, lol.

Quote from: Bigguy on April 07, 2019, 09:43:57 AM
I think your the first one to say that......EVER, lol.

LOL :D... yeah... I think most of the people around here are like "OK, RC3, 70% complete... come on, come on" and refreshing the GitHub page every two minutes :D.

Quote from: landyvlad on April 07, 2019, 01:58:26 AM
I just upgraded to RC2... I hope RC3 doesn't come along too soon...  :P :P :P :P  ;D

I'll bite... how soon is too soon?

How Soon Is Now? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnpILIIo9ek) :P :D

Quote from: Bigguy on April 07, 2019, 09:43:57 AM
I think your the first one to say that......EVER, lol.

Themers and modders say that sort of thing frequently, for any non-stable release series.

What even determines a potential RC3 release? Is it dependent on the bugs that early adopters report?

Does RC2 resolve the various issues with custom smileys that had been reported?
I am waiting until I'm told the smileys are working before I implement a bunch of custom ones on my forum.

Quote from: Study Force on April 07, 2019, 10:42:12 PM
What even determines a potential RC3 release? Is it dependent on the bugs that early adopters report?

They have a list of existing bugs that are tied to the milestone for RC3. If any new bugs are found (not that this is likely to happen, nosirree) then someone would have to decide whether to tie them to the RC3 milestone or leave them for Final. Presumably that decision would be made on the basis of such technical considerations as "How much poo are we likely to be in if we put this one off until Final?" and "How much poo are we likely to be in if we attempt to deal with this one for RC3?".

💩💩💩

I'm sure there will be plenty to go round. :D

Quote from: landyvlad on April 07, 2019, 11:08:03 PM
Does RC2 resolve the various issues with custom smileys that had been reported?
I am waiting until I'm told the smileys are working before I implement a bunch of custom ones on my forum.

See for yourself. :)

Go to the GitHub repository, click on the Issues tab, and search for "is:issue label:Smileys" in the Filters field. That'll show you the current status of all issues (both open and closed) related to smileys. If you want to see the status of pull requests related to smileys as well, drop the "is:issue" part from your filters.

OMG!
I've been out for a long time and I see now there are two RC versions in a short period of time. Thanks so much to all the team who made it possible!!

I'll install it right now on a test site to report any possible issues and will evaluate the possibility to use it on a production site.

Well done guys!!

Quote from: Sesquipedalian on April 08, 2019, 10:28:51 AM

Quote from: landyvlad on April 07, 2019, 11:08:03 PM
Does RC2 resolve the various issues with custom smileys that had been reported?
I am waiting until I'm told the smileys are working before I implement a bunch of custom ones on my forum.

See for yourself. :)

Go to the GitHub repository, click on the Issues tab, and search for "is:issue label:Smileys" in the Filters field. That'll show you the current status of all issues (both open and closed) related to smileys. If you want to see the status of pull requests related to smileys as well, drop the "is:issue" part from your filters.

GitHub scares me, or rather intimidates me. I have totally no idea how it works, I appreciate your guidance but I'm wondering if there's a simple answer to this specific question:

"If I install a custom smiley set on my 2.1 RC2 forum, will that continue to work as upgrades occur?"

Another way to phrase this would be "Is it safe to install a custom smiley set without the likelihood of losing it subsequently?"

Maybe... maybe even probably

But rc does mean that there may still be changes,  if deemed necessary.

However... I will point out once again that this thread is not for support.

Quote from: Antechinus on April 07, 2019, 11:42:25 PM
Presumably that decision would be made on the basis of such technical considerations as "How much poo are we likely to be in if we put this one off until Final?" and "How much poo are we likely to be in if we attempt to deal with this one for RC3?".

Quote from: live627 on April 08, 2019, 12:14:19 AM
💩💩💩

Now that's a lot of poo ;D.

Quote from: landyvlad on April 08, 2019, 07:56:09 PM
GitHub scares me, or rather intimidates me. I have totally no idea how it works, I appreciate your guidance...

It was kind of intimidating for me too, but actually, there's really nothing to it :). If you register a new account, all sorts of popups will start to appear that kind of guide you through the site :) and on top of that, if you ever find yourself in a pickle, you can always Google your way out ;).

Regarding reporting bugs, it works pretty much like a regular forum. You open a new "topic" and then the devs take a look at your "post" and try to replicate the bug you reported. If they can replicate it, the bug is confirmed. If not, in most cases, the bug report is dropped, but this also depends on the seriousness of the issue and if multiple users reported the same thing, but, for some reason, the devs can't replicate the behavior, etc., etc. So, in some cases, even though bugs can't be replicated, they're not marked as "bogus" bug reports, they're just kinda left for further analysis ;).

Besides, you'll ease the developers jobs if you report bugs directly on GitHub. It's designed to work with code, so it's easier to see which bugs and/or feature requests have been fixed, implemented, rejected, etc. ;).

Kindred: Wasn't so much support as a Q as to whether RC2 handled something correctly. All good mate.

Gigawatt:  Thanks, and to take the convo out of this thread, maybe you could write a "beginners guide to GitHub" thread that way more people might see this advice / info :)

Quote from: landyvlad on April 09, 2019, 02:13:09 AM
Gigawatt:  Thanks, and to take the convo out of this thread, maybe you could write a "beginners guide to GitHub" thread that way more people might see this advice / info :)

Actually, I'm a beginner myself, still don't have everything figured out, but someone with a bit more experience using GitHub could probably write a tutorial... at least how to report bugs.

Hmmm... if it was for bug reports only, I guess I could make a small tutorial :)... if there's interest on the forum about it :).

"If you build it, they will come"

Ok i just downloaded this version now. I might just wait for the full version to come out.

nice ,,, i just downloaded this version now

🤞 hoping this is the final RC!

No. There will be an RC3, but that should be the last RC.

This discussion about image handling has been moved here (https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=567285.0).  Please continue that discussion there and not in this topic.  This topic is not for support or for feature request discussions.

Thanks for this! I am planning to move curefans.com (85K topics and 5K members) to this very soon. Is there a large forum where I can see 2.1 RC2 implemented? Thank you!

Quote from: dsanchez on May 04, 2019, 09:06:28 AM
Is there a large forum where I can see 2.1 RC2 implemented? Thank you!

That depends on what you consider "large". Mine (https://videoedicion.org/foro/index.php?action=stats) has almost 55k users and 450k posts.
Bests,

Quote from: Kindred on April 08, 2019, 08:08:34 PM
Maybe... maybe even probably

But rc does mean that there may still be changes,  if deemed necessary.

However... I will point out once again that this thread is not for support.

Quote from: landyvlad on April 08, 2019, 07:56:09 PM

Quote from: Sesquipedalian on April 08, 2019, 10:28:51 AM

Quote from: landyvlad on April 07, 2019, 11:08:03 PM
Does RC2 resolve the various issues with custom smileys that had been reported?
I am waiting until I'm told the smileys are working before I implement a bunch of custom ones on my forum.

See for yourself. :)

Go to the GitHub repository, click on the Issues tab, and search for "is:issue label:Smileys" in the Filters field. That'll show you the current status of all issues (both open and closed) related to smileys. If you want to see the status of pull requests related to smileys as well, drop the "is:issue" part from your filters.

GitHub scares me, or rather intimidates me. I have totally no idea how it works, I appreciate your guidance but I'm wondering if there's a simple answer to this specific question:

"If I install a custom smiley set on my 2.1 RC2 forum, will that continue to work as upgrades occur?"

Another way to phrase this would be "Is it safe to install a custom smiley set without the likelihood of losing it subsequently?"

I'd be interested to know the answer to this also ... or is it elsewhere in the forum - many thanks

again slowed rc3 and the final as it will take a long time.
we want to see the final version if you give a little speed

Each version of SMF 2.1 is reset from zero. this is very difficult to regulate everything from the beginning

::)  O:)  :o

Quote from: Replikacep on May 08, 2019, 05:29:31 PM
we want to see the final version if you give a little speed

And we would like you to be more patient.

Quote from: Replikacep on May 08, 2019, 05:29:31 PM
we want to see the final version if you give a little speed

I'm just a minor cog in SMF translation, but by my current estimate (unless somebody else steps in to help), the language packs I'm involved in will need at least 15(!) more weeks of my (free, unpaid, evening and weekend) time until they're ready. (This isn't even touching the code, features, bugfixes of SMF.)

But of course complaining is much easier than actually doing something to move the release forward.

Quote from: Replikacep on May 08, 2019, 05:29:31 PM
again slowed rc3 and the final as it will take a long time.
we want to see the final version if you give a little speed

Each version of SMF 2.1 is reset from zero. this is very difficult to regulate everything from the beginning

::)  O:)  :o

We're sorry we're not 24/7 available.

Quote from: shags38 on May 07, 2019, 10:36:41 PM

Quote from: Kindred on April 08, 2019, 08:08:34 PM
Maybe... maybe even probably

But rc does mean that there may still be changes,  if deemed necessary.

However... I will point out once again that this thread is not for support.

Quote from: landyvlad on April 08, 2019, 07:56:09 PM

Quote from: Sesquipedalian on April 08, 2019, 10:28:51 AM

Quote from: landyvlad on April 07, 2019, 11:08:03 PM
Does RC2 resolve the various issues with custom smileys that had been reported?
I am waiting until I'm told the smileys are working before I implement a bunch of custom ones on my forum.

See for yourself. :)

Go to the GitHub repository, click on the Issues tab, and search for "is:issue label:Smileys" in the Filters field. That'll show you the current status of all issues (both open and closed) related to smileys. If you want to see the status of pull requests related to smileys as well, drop the "is:issue" part from your filters.

GitHub scares me, or rather intimidates me. I have totally no idea how it works, I appreciate your guidance but I'm wondering if there's a simple answer to this specific question:

"If I install a custom smiley set on my 2.1 RC2 forum, will that continue to work as upgrades occur?"

Another way to phrase this would be "Is it safe to install a custom smiley set without the likelihood of losing it subsequently?"

I'd be interested to know the answer to this also ... or is it elsewhere in the forum - many thanks

They shouldn't be changed from the database, and when uploading all the new files for the large upgrade process, it shouldn't replace any of your custom files (unless they have the same name/folders as the default ones, so they'd be overwritten).

Look folks, stop the complaining, these folks are volunteering their personal time to make 2.1 a final release for you and me. The more you complain, is not going to help make these same folks move any faster, in fact all the complaining could just make some of the volunteers just say to hell with it, and pack it in..Now where would we be, waiting even longer..

I know it takes time to do all the changes and coding, try taking a course in coding, for yourself, and see how you like it, it's tedious.

In stead of complaining, give these folks some "Praise" for a change, let them know they are valuable and worthwhile.

I like what I see and I can wait for the final..I hope you can also.

:)

FWIW, RC1 to RC2 was just shy of two months, and it's only been a little over a month since RC2 so...

And there's actually 2.0.16 before that, which is long overdue.

Quote from: Arantor on May 09, 2019, 09:58:22 AM
FWIW, RC1 to RC2 was just shy of two months, and it's only been a little over a month since RC2 so...

I guess people thought the devs can develop even faster :P :D.

Quote from: Replikacep on May 08, 2019, 05:29:31 PM
again slowed rc3 and the final as it will take a long time.
we want to see the final version if you give a little speed

Oh, that's brave.

Quote from: Replikacep on May 08, 2019, 05:29:31 PM
Each version of SMF 2.1 is reset from zero. this is very difficult to regulate everything from the beginning

Umm no it isn't 'reset to zero' you just need to upload it differently rather than through the package manager. This has always been the case with alpha, beta and RC versions.  You do not need to 'regulate everything from the beginning'.


Now shaddup.

I assume he means that it removes all his customisations and mods... but that's not a new thing (it's been that way for 15 years) and if you're making core changes and not either using version control or packages, you really are doing it wrong anyway.

Congratulations on RC2 - heartfelt!

2 months later now. How is the progress?

Check github for more updates

Quote from: doug_ips on March 30, 2019, 12:34:00 PM
Well done guys. Keep up the great work :)

Hello i want to start a forum please which software from smf should i use

SMF 2.0.15 for now.

I'm late to the party but congrats. :)

To anyone complaining, do you work 24/7/365? No, I didn't think so.
Any free open source project is largely dependant on the community around it, and in SMF's case, more precisely the select community members that actually contribute. As more of an end user myself, as opposed to a dev - I think we are all lucky to have people interested in giving their free time away for our benefit, and even if we don't always all agree on everything, as long as I don't offer an alternative solution, I know I at least have to make a strong case for my differing opinion, and not just complain. ;) For the time being, 2.0 is also the only supported stable branch, and that means 2.1 can not always take priority.

Good job

No complaints here. I appreciate having volunteers doing the work.. I have done a lot of volunteering myself, not coding but working in other organizations..helping out as Staff or a Board Director.

From what I see they are doing a excellent job.

I have nothing to contribute but I just wanted to say that there are a lot of us out here who know how long software development takes and do appreciate all the work you're putting into 2.1! Of course we'd all like to see the full release as soon as possible but I'd rather get a solid stable version in a few weeks (?) than an unstable and not fully bugfixed version right now.

When will release version 2.1? Approximately.

Quote from: Donfisher on June 02, 2019, 02:16:25 PM
When will release version 2.1? Approximately.

You just added another two weeks to it.. When it's ready for release..

Quote from: Donfisher on June 02, 2019, 02:16:25 PM
When will release version 2.1? Approximately.

When it's ready.

Can I suggest a site moderator / admin start a thread called "When will 2.1 Final be released?"

Include in the body only - in bold - the content "When it's ready."

and then lock that thread :)

Think the only way that will work is a 1 month ban for asking when the next realease date is.

:P

I hate the delays but appreciate there is a lot of work... for something that is free.

Hey, that's a fine idea! Mind if we borrow it? ;)
Just kidding of course, but yes - asking when, requires an answer, an answer that requires time to write, time that could be spent coding - and so on ;)

Just installed the new 2.1 RC2 just to try it out.


I am impressed with all the hard work and dedication from you talented people, keep up the good work. :)

After a short look it seems very responsive and looks nice and clean, and I think the admin panel it is better organised.
Can't wait until try RC3  8)

Awesome work guys. Keep up the good work.  :-* ;D 8)

Just wanted to post up to say a huge thanks to the guys.
Upgrade from 2.0.15 was 100% flawless and quick.

2.1 RC2 is a massive upgrade in capability to 2.0.

Great work and thanks heaps

Congrats to everyone! Let's hope that 2.1 Final is just around the corner :)

And I remember just a few years ago everyone thinking SMF 2.1 never would happen... I've decided to spin RC2 and it feels pretty good and a much needed update. Nice work developer team! :3

Works nicely on PHP 7.3 + MariaDB 10.4.

It would be great if SMF pulled its finger out and see that WordPress is an important part of our world and to catch up and make SMF plugin.

Maybe start a Kickstarter campaign or something...

it would rockets downloads overnight?? and become the leading Forum platform - which is FREE

any thoughts on addressing this big elephant in the room?

Would be great if you acknowledged the fact that 2.1 is still not ready for production,
and 2.0 actually has bridges that work as far as I know ( for example https://wordpress.org/plugins/smf2wp/ ).

Now won't you take this discussion to some more suitable topic, ok?

Can you please tell us, new guys, how to install it? I tried and it messed up what was already there and I had to restore.

Quote from: Sesquipedalian on March 30, 2019, 12:32:25 PM
Finally, as always, this announcement topic is not for support. Discussion and support for SMF 2.1 can be found in the SMF 2.1 support board (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?board=254.0).

QuoteJBlaze: Congrats to everyone! Let's hope that 2.1 Final is just around the corner :)

Don't say that, the world is round!
And I already have the feeling I've been here before.

The world is a disc. Don't you dare claim otherwise.

Yes, I have installed the upgrade from 20.0.15 to 2.1 RC2 and it looks great guys well done.

Awesome work guys!

Where I can see a demo of SMF 2.1 RC2 with default theme? Have anyone a link? I'm curious to see the new look!

Quote from: mariusfv on July 02, 2019, 05:29:40 PM

Where I can see a demo of SMF 2.1 RC2 with default theme? Have anyone a link? I'm curious to see the new look!

See one forum with SMF 2.1 RC2 here: https://www.simplemachines.ru/index.php

OMG, very nice! Is default theme? I like it!

One question: SMF 2.1 have on admin side a CSS box to made customization's (font, padding etc) and to not be affected the CSS by feature upgrades of SMF? Is so frustrating every-time to go to syle.css file on server to made a customization.

Quote from: Sesquipedalian on March 30, 2019, 12:32:25 PM
Finally, as always, this announcement topic is not for support. Discussion and support for SMF 2.1 can be found in the SMF 2.1 support board (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?board=254.0).

You may wanna place it where common people can find it. This forum is not user-friendly.

Quote from: Gods Bible on July 03, 2019, 08:01:04 AM
You may wanna place it where common people can find it. This forum is not user-friendly.

It's the 7th board from the top on the front page of the forum. Common people should be able to read this far (or maybe use a different attribute to describe themselves).

Great work guys keep it up !!!

Quote from: m4z on July 03, 2019, 08:25:09 AM
It's the 7th board from the top on the front page of the forum. Common people should be able to read this far (or maybe use a different attribute to describe themselves).

Oh, that's a good one ;D ;D ;D.

I can not wait you. I have switched our community to use flarum. Good bye my love.

Hope you are happy in your choice of software, and good luck to you. Why announce it here though, beats me.

I wonder if he saw this "WARNING. Flarum is beta software." I took a look at it and it does not even come close to Simple Machine.

Yeah, but it looks "fancy"... like a FB ripoff... not really into the fancy stuff, so I wouldn't use it.

More like reddit imo

Quote from: saosangmo on July 13, 2019, 06:55:47 AM
I can not wait you. I have switched our community to use flarum. Good bye my love.

Ok and I brushed my teeth this morning but nobody cares about that either.

Quote from: landyvlad on July 16, 2019, 03:04:07 AM

Quote from: saosangmo on July 13, 2019, 06:55:47 AM
I can not wait you. I have switched our community to use flarum. Good bye my love.

Ok and I brushed my teeth this morning but nobody cares about that either.

We care, landyvlad. We care.

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Can't wait for the next update! <3

Indeed, it is important to have a good dental hygiene (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=When7gl0m8o).

Quote from: Aleksi "Lex" Kilpinen on July 01, 2019, 03:46:50 PM
The world is a disc. Don't you dare claim otherwise.

All hail the great A'tuin.

Indeed ;)

Thank you for the update and keep it good work!

From
Infigadgets

Quote from: Suki on July 18, 2019, 01:10:31 PM
Indeed, it is important to have a good dental hygiene (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=When7gl0m8o).

🤣🤣

Well done! It's great work. Keep it up. :) :)

lol even the spambots are impressed!

That's not exactly anything new, they're impressed by everything. :P

They are the easily impressed type.

Quote from: Sesquipedalian on March 30, 2019, 12:32:25 PM

Modification and theme authors are encouraged to check the roadmap for our upcoming development milestones (https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/milestones) when deciding how to update their modifications and themes for SMF 2.1.

So next version is going to be RC3, not final?

Yes

Well, maybe i'm bold enough to upgrade. :) RC is RC.

Topic split.  The discussion about 2.1's design and development can now be found here (https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=569281.0).

Congratulations to the team. finally

Nice to see the progress on Github towards RC3 :)

Unfortunately the visible progress stopped few months ago. I'm looking forward to RC3 to install it on the prod env. and start fixing translation mistakes, but... :(

Quote from: Pyrhel on October 18, 2019, 12:42:32 PM
Unfortunately the visible progress stopped few months ago. I'm looking forward to RC3 to install it on the prod env. and start fixing translation mistakes, but... :(

That's only because temporarily 2.0 got priority for "reasons".

The reason being that 7.2 is going away and some compatibility patches are being worked on, along with a permanent fix for the infamous 2.0.14 login error, and some GDPR features. This, fairly obviously, needed priority for production systems over pre-production (RCs are not generally suggested for production unless you can patch/maintain it yourself)

Keep up the excellent work

Quote from: Pyrhel on October 18, 2019, 12:42:32 PM
Unfortunately the visible progress stopped few months ago. I'm looking forward to RC3 to install it on the prod env. and start fixing translation mistakes, but... :(

Alright. And true: Almost 7 months have now passed since RC2 had been released.
Nothing ever since. Even the last 2.0 release (SMF 2.0.15) turns 2 years old soon.

What is taking so long or what slows down progress so immensely. Is that public, so we could discuss or help to bring things forward?

At least this (https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/milestone/9) needs to be done for SMF2.1 RC3.
At least this (https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/milestone/8) needs to be done for SMF2.1 Final.

That and the fact that 2.0.16 is in extensive testing where it adds a significant change for GDPR.

Quote from: Arantor on October 22, 2019, 10:02:14 AM
That and the fact that 2.0.16 is in extensive testing where it adds a significant change for GDPR.

What is GDPR?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDPR

It's a European Union law dealing with privacy and personal data.

Quote from: Oldiesmann on November 02, 2019, 01:56:10 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDPR (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDPR)

It's a European Union law dealing with privacy and personal data.

Ok, that's what I thought but I wasn't sure. ;-)


I imagine that this explains why there has been no change in the milestone on 2.1 RC3 for the last 3 weeks.

Quote from: DenDen60 on November 02, 2019, 02:00:31 PM
I imagine that this explains why there has been no change in the milestone on 2.1 RC3 for the last 3 weeks.

Yes.

Is there an issue tracker/topic somewhere describing what exactly the changes in this upcoming 2.0.16 release will be? Improved GDPR support and PHP 7.2 updates both sound like great updates!

Quote from: MrManager on November 03, 2019, 01:39:29 PM
Is there an issue tracker/topic somewhere describing what exactly the changes in this upcoming 2.0.16 release will be? Improved GDPR support and PHP 7.2 updates both sound like great updates!

Not publicly. There's a bunch of bug fixes, some stuff to help with GDPR and some stuff to make 7.2 compatibility work. A full changelog will be published along with the 2.0.16 patch.

Quote from: Arantor on November 03, 2019, 01:41:37 PM

Quote from: MrManager on November 03, 2019, 01:39:29 PM
Is there an issue tracker/topic somewhere describing what exactly the changes in this upcoming 2.0.16 release will be? Improved GDPR support and PHP 7.2 updates both sound like great updates!

Not publicly. There's a bunch of bug fixes, some stuff to help with GDPR and some stuff to make 7.2 compatibility work. A full changelog will be published along with the 2.0.16 patch.

I don't want to push this off of the original topic more, but is there a current estimate on how far done the 2.0.16 patch is thus far? Just curious more than anything else.

It's being tested. It will be released when it's ready.... :P

Quote from: Kindred on November 03, 2019, 05:14:32 PM
It's being tested. It will be released when it's ready.... :P

Awesome!

As for a release date, I guessed that. I just meant as far as its development went in terms of a percentage for the sake of curiosity. If it is in testing, then I'm assuming it is fairly close to done. :)

Quote from: m4z on October 22, 2019, 10:01:17 AM
At least this (https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/milestone/9) needs to be done for SMF2.1 RC3.
At least this (https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/milestone/8) needs to be done for SMF2.1 Final.

THANK YOU!!!!

Nice to see it moving along pretty fast it seems. Well in the scream of things it is fast...awesome job

Congratulations everyone

All I get is an error when trying to upgrade from 2.0.15


An Error Has Occurred!
Package upload failed due to the following error:
"Although the package was downloaded to the server it appears to be empty. Please check the Packages directory, and the "temp" sub-directory are both writable. If you continue to experience this problem you should try extracting the package on your PC and uploading the extracted files into a subdirectory in your Packages directory and try again. For example, if the package was called shout.tar.gz you should:
1) Download the package to your local PC and extract it into files.
2) Using an FTP client create a new directory in your "Packages" folder, in this example you may call it "shout".
3) Upload all the files from the extracted package to this directory.
4) Go back to the package manager browse page and the package will be automatically found by SMF."

Quote from: Sesquipedalian on March 30, 2019, 12:32:25 PM
Finally, as always, this announcement topic is not for support. Discussion and support for SMF 2.1 can be found in the SMF 2.1 support board (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?board=254.0).

However.... your problem is that a major upgrade can not be done using the package manager...   follow the actual instructions for a major upgrade

Quote from: Kindred on November 08, 2019, 01:35:17 PM
However.... your problem is that a major upgrade can not be done using the package manager...   follow the actual instructions for a major upgrade

Thanks. I'm assuming you're directing your response to me. It has been a few years since I was an admin and I am trying to remember what to do ha ha. I noticed that the link to create a local copy is outdated. Does anyone know how to create a local copy of an SMF forum?

Basically, you need a backup copy of all files and database to make a working copy of the installation.
https://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/Hosting_-_How_do_I_move_my_SMF_forum_to_a_different_host

Thanks!!! I'll try it.

Haven't been on here for a while and to my surprise RC2 is released. Nice work.

Sorry but is there ANYWHERE a type of step by step as to how to upgrade to the newest version from 2.0.15?

In the past, as you know, it was simply a matter of uploading the .zip file to the server. Took like 30 seconds.

Since 2.1 isn't fully released yet (only a "release candidate" with known issues), an update is only recommended if you know what you're doing.

Quote from: HusaBob on November 14, 2019, 12:07:15 PM
In the past, as you know, it was simply a matter of uploading the .zip file to the server. Took like 30 seconds.

Never been exactly that simple, and have you done it, you should know it. The procedure hasn't changed really.

If you go 2.0.x to 2.0.x+1, you upload the zip and you're good. But going 1.1.x to 2.0.x was never that simple, and neither will 2.0.x to 2.1.x.

ahhhhhh, then I Guess there's no harm in leaving our forum the way it is.

Now, if only it were easy to figure out how to implement our SSL that we bought last year but never installed.

you could open a topic in the correct support board to get assistance with that.

Is there a list or description somewhere of what features will be standard on 2.1 that 2.0 needed mods for? For instance, I know partial quotes are now possible in 2.1, which means I won't need that plugin in anymore. I'm just guessing (hoping?) there will be more.

Drafts, responsive theme, mentions, alerts.

OK thanks, then there are a couple more plugins I don't need. I like to keep things simple. I'm going to be doing a test upgrade on a copy of my site soon and will be able to take it for a spin. Hopefully it will fix my mysteriously broken Attachments links too, we'll see.

In addition to GDPR, will this new 2.0.16 update also address the new California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA) that takes in effect on January 1st, 2020?

this thread is the announcement for 2.1 RC2, not discussion of 2.0.16

Quote from: MobileCS on November 18, 2019, 02:35:57 PM
In addition to GDPR, will this new 2.0.16 update also address the new California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA) that takes in effect on January 1st, 2020?

If the provisions are broadly in line with GDPR, yes. If not, no.

Quote from: Kindred on November 18, 2019, 02:37:03 PM
this thread is the announcement for 2.1 RC2, not discussion of 2.0.16

To be fair though, 2.0.16 hasn't been officially announced yet (it seems new releases are only announced once they are released, not when they're planned), and there is no discussion thread for it yet (except maybe the thread about the EOL of PHP 7.1 (https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=569552.msg4030476#msg4030476)).

Yes, I unofficially mentioned it before SMF started to bleed loyal users.

Awesome guys, keep up the good work  :)

Update: I ran a test update on a copy of my forum and it went through with no problem. I had disabled all plugins except for the 2.0.x patches (15, 14, 13, 12). The best part is that it fixed a problem I've been having with bad links for attachments (https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=570401.msg4037068#msg4037068) (images, .docx) added prior to 07/16/18. The personal avatars were not fixed, but they're not as big of a deal.

At the moment everything looks great, but if I encounter any problems, I'll put them up here. I realize I shouldn't us RC2 on a production site, but it sure is tempting.

Quote from: SethStudent on November 23, 2019, 03:29:04 PM
At the moment everything looks great, but if I encounter any problems, I'll put them up here. I realize I shouldn't use RC2 on a production site, but it sure is tempting.

This is just the discussion thread. Bugs should be reported on the GitHub page or here:
https://simplemachines.org/community/index.php?board=254.0

That being said, I'm using it on a production site right now because I'm on PHP 7.2.8. (I'm awaiting an update to fix an issue in PHP before I update to 7.4.x). Seeing how SMF 2.0.x doesn't support PHP 7.x in general very well, I didn't have much of a choice, however I'm loving SMF 2.1.x thus far. Development issues aside, it is actually very stable as of RC2. All of the bugs I've come across seem to be very minor, or are theme-related and were caused by third-party authors in custom themes.

A big 'thank you' from me for all the work done by an unknown (to me!) team who support SMF. After using the application for 9 or more years now, I thought I should at the very least record my appreciation.

Quote from: rbradbury on December 29, 2019, 10:20:10 AM
A big 'thank you' from me for all the work done by an unknown (to me!) team who support SMF. After using the application for 9 or more years now, I thought I should at the very least record my appreciation.

Thanks! :)

In case you are curious to know who the SMF team consists of, you can find out here (https://www.simplemachines.org/about/smf/team.php).

Quote from: Arantor on November 18, 2019, 02:58:58 PM

Quote from: MobileCS on November 18, 2019, 02:35:57 PM
In addition to GDPR, will this new 2.0.16 update also address the new California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA) that takes in effect on January 1st, 2020?

If the provisions are broadly in line with GDPR, yes. If not, no.

Any chance this will be in SMF 2.1?

For informational reference:
https://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releases/attorney-general-becerra-issues-advisory-outlining-new-data-privacy-rights
and
https://www.caprivacy.org/about

If I'm correct, this is the actual legal wording:
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180AB375

There's basically nothing that we have to do for the ca stuff

Quote from: Kindred on January 07, 2020, 09:24:38 PM
There's basically nothing that we have to do for the ca stuff

Awesome. Just want to be sure everything is compliant on my end since I host my own services and use SMF 2.1 in several places. That's a relief. :)

Just saw the progress meter on github. I am happy to see that RC3 is 95% complete with only 8 open issues left.  :D

I was also surprise to see a big drop on the number of issues opened for the final version. It went from something like 140 to only 81. It is now 57% complete. That is a huge increase.

Keep up the good work.  8)

I really wanted the curve color changer so started updating from 2.0.15 up and after I hit 2.0.17 I was planning on installing the 2.1 files -- no go. I keep getting told the files are empty when I try to load them in the package manager. The files are not empty. They're fine.

I'm way to tired after pulling 48 hours on a computer to do this manually and then be ready to deal with mod crash fallout from the upgrade.

Anyone else have this prob uploading 2.1? Is there some rule I don't know about about not allowing the package manager to operate with a not approved for prime time version or something?

Quote from: Sesquipedalian on March 30, 2019, 12:32:25 PM
Finally, as always, this announcement topic is not for support. Discussion and support for SMF 2.1 can be found in the SMF 2.1 support board (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?board=254.0).

Not to mention that upgrades from 2.0 to 2.1 in any capacity aren't done via the package manager.

and if you do upgrade you will lose all your mods and any customisation you have made

No one should be doing a major upgrade like that with mods installed anyway.

Appreciate the replies and info.

Sorry for posting in the wrong spot.

About to give this a try again. Been a while since last time and wasn't to pleased then. Hopefully it has improved in the later versions.

Quote from: alphaweb on January 24, 2020, 12:09:59 PM
About to give this a try again. Been a while since last time and wasn't to pleased then. Hopefully it has improved in the later versions.

2.1 is still in development, so it isn't meant to be used in a production environment. Bugs and issues are to be expected at this stage.

Did some upgrade testing on SMF 2.1 RC2 and it is going very well. For those who are having issues, I would like to offer some suggestions:

• I recommend that you do this on a test copy of your site before you do it on a live site. In that way if you encounter problems you wont need emergency help getting your production site back in operation.
  
  
• If upgrading from 2.0.15, You must upgrade to 2.0.16 and then 2.0.17 before attempting the upgrade to 2.1 RC2
  
  
• When upgrading to SMF 2.1 RC2 YOU MUST UNINSTALL ALL MODS! Most of the MODs for 2.0.x will not install properly in 2.1 RC2
  
  
• Download from the SMF website the UPGRADE package for 2.1 RC2, NOT the INSTALL package.
  
  
• Decompress the UPGRADE package then upload the contents to your site over-writing the 2.0.17 files. Your Settings.php file will still be the same and the upgrade package will use it.
  
  
• Access your site from in the browser (https://YOURDOMAINNAME or https://YOURDOMAINNAME/SUBFOLDER) The upgrade will begin
  
  
• After the upgrade completes, test your site to make sure all is fine BEFORE you start to add MODs back in.
  
  
• All MODs are not 2.1 RC2 compatible and the ones that are not will need to be replaced with updated MODs that are compatible with 2.1 RC2
  
  
• There are still a few minor tweaks that need to be added to the upgrade and they are posted elsewhere in the forum
  
  

Quote from: Randem on February 09, 2020, 05:43:34 PM
Did some upgrade testing on SMF 2.1 RC2 and it is going very well. For those who are having issues, I would like to offer some suggestions:

   
• I recommend that you do this on a test copy of your site before you do it on a live site. In that way if you encounter problems you wont need emergency help getting your production site back in operation.
• If upgrading from 2.0.15, You must upgrade to 2.0.16 and then 2.0.17 before attempting the upgrade to 2.1 RC2
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I wonder how all those people that upgraded long before 2.0.16/17 was available managed?

bro I heard that you like upgrades, so I'm upgrading your upgrade from an older upgrade.

Quote from: Ben_S on February 10, 2020, 08:51:50 AM

Quote from: Randem on February 09, 2020, 05:43:34 PM
Did some upgrade testing on SMF 2.1 RC2 and it is going very well. For those who are having issues, I would like to offer some suggestions:

   
• I recommend that you do this on a test copy of your site before you do it on a live site. In that way if you encounter problems you wont need emergency help getting your production site back in operation.
• If upgrading from 2.0.15, You must upgrade to 2.0.16 and then 2.0.17 before attempting the upgrade to 2.1 RC2
  [/l][/l][/l][/l][/l][/l][/l]

I wonder how all those people that upgraded long before 2.0.16/17 was available managed?

He probably should have written "should" and not "must".

To all those who replied to my suggestion. There were still some questions about the upgrade, so I decided to try to be helpful and give some insight instead of basically only replying to post to give no help at all which is exactly what you are doing which helps NO ONE! But I imagine that is the point of your existence here...

Quote from: Randem on February 10, 2020, 12:03:23 PM
To all those who replied to my suggestion. There were still some questions about the upgrade, so I decided to try to be helpful and give some insight instead of basically only replying to post to give no help at all which is exactly what you are doing which helps NO ONE! But I imagine that is the point of your existence here...

There is no need to attack everyone because of their comments. If you feel they are offensive, report them. Don't retaliate and make it worse. Not all of us were making fun of you.

Makes no difference - this isn't a support topic anyway.

The upgrade utility only works on the database. It doesn't even need any file from 2.0...

No database changes were made between 2.0 and 2.0.17.

Theres a couple I believe but they are minor (GDPR functions) also on upgrade your mods are technically uninstalled automatically since the code to run the db data isn't there given you're required to upload fresh set of files for 2.1


The upgrader is designed to get you from any version from YaBB SE 1.5.5 to the newest SMF version at that point. Ignoring external factors like PHP and MySQL versions.

Quote from: Gary on February 12, 2020, 07:04:24 AM
Theres a couple I believe but they are minor (GDPR functions) also on upgrade your mods are technically uninstalled automatically since the code to run the db data isn't there given you're required to upload fresh set of files for 2.1


The upgrader is designed to get you from any version from YaBB SE 1.5.5 to the newest SMF version at that point. Ignoring external factors like PHP and MySQL versions.

Unless I'm mistaken, the upgrader doesn't uninstall your mods from the database. (At least it didn't in the earlier days). That's why people often have issues with lingering code. You should be completely uninstalling mods anyway if upgrading from SMF 2.0.x to 2.1.x, as none of them are cross-compatible unless they've been explicitly coded to be.

the upgrade process will not delete the data from the mods in the database but it will remove hooks and edits to files.

Are there issues if we didn't upgrade to 2.0.16 or 2.0.17?  Those upgrades didn't take for me, but I had a successful upgrade on my test box while on 2.0.15 (which my production site still is).

2.0.17 contains functional and security updates

You can upgrade from 2.0.15 to 2.1.

well done folks.  keep it coming

Quote from: karlbenson on March 10, 2020, 03:08:18 PM
well done folks.  keep it coming

Long time! Glad to see you checking in!

Quote from: DenDen60 on January 10, 2020, 05:03:19 PM
Just saw the progress meter on github. I am happy to see that RC3 is 95% complete with only 8 open issues left.  :D

I was also surprise to see a big drop on the number of issues opened for the final version. It went from something like 140 to only 81. It is now 57% complete. That is a huge increase.

Keep up the good work.  8)

Link? So there is one more RC before the final release? Would that mean another year of production? :) :( well... At least it is alive and moving forward ;)

Milestone link https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/milestones but keep in mind no timelines is given.

Thanks, can't be that far from Candidate 3 being release then. :) Thanks for the information.

Quote from: JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life on April 02, 2020, 09:29:28 PM
Thanks, can't be that far from Candidate 3 being release then. :) Thanks for the information.

I agree. It shouldn't be that far and hopefully sooner than later. ;-)

Yes!
I look into that list almost every day.

Is the remaining issue for RC3 a minor or a major one?

Quote from: SpacePhoenix on April 04, 2020, 07:11:09 AM
Is the remaining issue for RC3 a minor or a major one?

If you click on "RC3" in the above link posted by vbgamer, it will bring you here (https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/milestone/9), and you can judge for yourself.

Meanwhile it is up to 4 again... :-/

Quote from: m4z on April 08, 2020, 04:28:54 PM

Quote from: SpacePhoenix on April 04, 2020, 07:11:09 AM
Is the remaining issue for RC3 a minor or a major one?

If you click on "RC3" in the above link posted by vbgamer, it will bring you here (https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/milestone/9), and you can judge for yourself.

That doesn't tell me if it's a minor or major issue ;)

Quote from: SpacePhoenix on April 08, 2020, 05:34:00 PM

That doesn't tell me if it's a minor or major issue ;)

Well it does tell you that the issue was created in oct 2018, that's 18 months ago, and that there has been 80 messages. Hence, chances are that it is a problematic issue. ;-)

Quote from: DenDen60 on April 13, 2020, 09:29:24 AM

Quote from: SpacePhoenix on April 08, 2020, 05:34:00 PM

That doesn't tell me if it's a minor or major issue ;)

Well it does tell you that the issue was created in oct 2018, that's 18 months ago, and that there has been 80 messages. Hence, chances are that it is a problematic issue. ;-)

or it could just be one that's been considered to be lower priority and so not been worked on that much ;)

why this final version is not available.
Even rc 3 is not released yet
we couldn't make our website top level

stay home world.
meanwhile this smf final must be possible

Quote from: Replikacep on April 16, 2020, 05:32:28 PM
why this final version is not available.
Even rc 3 is not released yet
we couldn't make our website top level

stay home world.
meanwhile this smf final must be possible

It's a volunteer project. If they were all getting paid and could focus on it exclusively, I'm sure there would be a lot more progress. I'm glad the developers have devoted as much of their free time to this as they have. That being said, it has undoubtedly taken an enormous amount of time. I can't imagine how many websites have stopped using SMF over the years due to this. I myself have been holding out for over a year and half (!!) for 2.1 since my 1.x forum has too much custom code to make it worth going to 2.0 just to have to change everything again for 2.1 soon after.

RC3 looks like it's going to be done very soon, and while it's still not the final version, it's probably mature enough to start planning around. It's what I intend on doing. If you're tech savvy or have someone on hand who is, you can probably manage the minor issues until the final version is ready.

Quote from: Replikacep on April 16, 2020, 05:32:28 PM
why this final version is not available.
Even rc 3 is not released yet
we couldn't make our website top level

stay home world.
meanwhile this smf final must be possible

Instead of useless complaining,
Why are you not helping by writing code snd submitting commits in github??

Quote from: Kindred on April 16, 2020, 09:29:59 PM

Quote from: Replikacep on April 16, 2020, 05:32:28 PM
why this final version is not available.
Even rc 3 is not released yet
we couldn't make our website top level

stay home world.
meanwhile this smf final must be possible

Instead of useless complaining,
Why are you not helping by writing code snd submitting commits in github??

Those who can, do.
Those who can't, complain

Quote from: Kindred on April 16, 2020, 09:29:59 PM

Quote from: Replikacep on April 16, 2020, 05:32:28 PM
why this final version is not available.
Even rc 3 is not released yet
we couldn't make our website top level

stay home world.
meanwhile this smf final must be possible

Instead of useless complaining,
Why are you not helping by writing code snd submitting commits in github??

If I can write. I have already written.
how should we not complain.
6 years past yet unfinished

So what?  Development is ongoing - and none of us get paid.


Stop whining.

Quote from: Kindred on April 17, 2020, 08:56:28 AM
So what?  Development is ongoing - and none of us get paid.


Stop whining.

well said sir. I just do not understand some people. They complain when they have to pay for a forum, and yet they complain too, when they get something amazing like Smf for free.

Quote from: Kindred on April 17, 2020, 08:56:28 AM
So what?  Development is ongoing - and none of us get paid.


Stop whining.

He has kind of got a point though. There have been a considerable amount of scope changes in 2.1 over the last few years, especially for something that was advertised to me in 2013 as feature locked, and while I broke that, it was done so with permission of the then lead developer, but with an understanding that it would be constrained where possible.

I can't help but compare the amount of dev time spent on my fork to the entire dev effort spent in SMF and find the comparison... wanting. The only reason I'm not doing a release any time soon is because I decided to go native pretty URLs and drag some of the coding up to modern coding standards, which necessitated tearing it apart to rebuild it better. I have a lot to do but I'll be the stronger for it when I'm done.

I remember joking in 2010 that 2.1 would be 2020. I didn't expect to be proven right or possibly optimistic. And while I'll happily defend 'volunteers' all day long, I have to say that from the outside, it looks like the time that has been spent has been badly misspent.

Quote from: nicolasrito911 on April 24, 2020, 06:19:19 AM
Could it be an update from the package update

Not possible package updates do not occur in beta/RC releases.

To switch from rc1 to rc2

No, because the package would be too big for the package manager; you can't just mash the thousands of changes between RC releases into a package, it simply won't install. This is why people who can't/won't use the large upgrade are discouraged from using RCs.

Quote from: Arantor on April 24, 2020, 07:11:44 AM
He has kind of got a point though. There have been a considerable amount of scope changes in 2.1 over the last few years, especially for something that was advertised to me in 2013 as feature locked, and while I broke that, it was done so with permission of the then lead developer, but with an understanding that it would be constrained where possible.

Changes because of the EU GDPR regs must account for a fair bit of the scope changes along with maybe a few PHP (new versions of PHP either breaking stuff or stuff uses deprecated functions)

In the case of 2.1, the PHP compatibility stuff was done a long time ago for the most part, and the GDPR stuff was released for 2.0 and only recently got an issue on the tracker to be ported forward to 2.1.

I'd point out that I'd implemented GDPR export, suitable TOS policies and the cookie handler in 2018 for my own stuff. It's not suitable for SMF core because I did some other massive rewrites of everything else such that my data export is actually more complex than SMF's because in my case I have sub-account handling to deal with and the notion that posts belong to sub-accounts that could conceivably move between accounts so therefore I have to additionally track the original creator of a post, as well as which account currently owns it.

Sorry for being mean but I don't understand why I doing it in my spare time can get through it when a team of people doing it in their spare time apparently couldn't, especially with a community of people around them who also include developers.

If you have installed the latest SMF2.1 from github, that means you are almost using the RC3 version (milestones 99%).
By the way, thank you the team for your amazing work!

well.. GDPR was ported BACK from 2.1 to 2.0

further work on 2.1 is needed for GDPR though

Quote from: Kindred on April 24, 2020, 03:14:55 PM
well.. GDPR was ported BACK from 2.1 to 2.0

further work on 2.1 is needed for GDPR though

https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/issues/6075 seems like a pretty big thing missing that was built for 2.0 and needs to be ported forward to 2.1 rather than the other way around.

Just sayin', again, I'd got my version straight in 2018 for this. I'd submit it to the team if it was any useful, except the divergence made between 2017 and 2018 in my code base made it unusable for SMF.

Oups! One second just went by. Unfortunately I can't change it. It's already unaccessible.


Oups! Another one just past went by. :-(


We can only change what has not happen yet. Let's focus on what is important for now: completing the only issue left: the GDPR.  :laugh:


 

Quote from: Arantor on April 24, 2020, 01:01:04 PM
...I don't understand why I doing it in my spare time can get through it when a team of people doing it in their spare time apparently couldn't, especially with a community of people around them who also include developers.

A committee is a cul-de-sac down which ideas are lured and then quietly strangled. -Unk

Far too true...

Quote from: lurkalot on March 30, 2019, 12:37:39 PM
Congrats, and thank you.  ;)

how generate Xml site map

this is not a thread for support.

Just had a quick look at the milestones page, looks like a little bit falls foul of SQL strict mode in MariaDB (would assume it'll be the same for the strict mode in MySQL)

Just reading through the comments for the other issue, spotted this:

QuoteYeah, unfortunately we are not (yet) able to make the SMF 2.0.x codebase publicly available due to arcane legal complications, so I can't give you direct access to see the code changes that were involved.

How can that be when the 2.0.x is open source?

Like he said, *arcane* legal complications. It's a long story, one I don't really want to dig up.

At the danger of getting details wrong, I think it can be summarized this way: Early pre-2.0 development versions (betas, RCs, whatever) weren't under a free license, so they cannot be made public (and realistically, the legal conditions under which the situation could change will probably never happen, so it won't change).
And while the releases that came later under the changed, free license apparently can be released as open source (even though they might still contain parts of the initial code), the "full" earlier versions, and hence the version control repo (containing the change history and the complete older, non-free versions), cannot be made public. (And I guess for the same legal reasons, you can't just release a modified repo that contains only the open source parts, because that would omit their contributions.)

You should all be focussing on 2.1 anyway; you probably only need the diff between 2.0.17 and the current 2.1. :P

Something like that, though I'd note that 2.0 betas and RCs are still available for download as far back as Beta 3 Public. The actual answer is a lot more involved and relates to copyright law more than the licence per se, and more specifically who has what rights to what code where and when. It's murky as all hell especially if you realise that large, non-trivial parts of 2.0 are still the same as their 1.x counterparts.

In any event even if the repo were made available somehow, the connected build processes definitely can't openable.

Quick question....

Running 2.0.17... lost 12 years of data last year due to host, want to import... Is it advisable to install 2.1RC2 and build the new database there from two 2.0.x versions? Or can 2.0.x be easily converted later on when 2.1 is released?

This really isn't a support venue, but the short version is when 2.1 is fully ready to go (2.1 is in development; RC2 is an in-development build with many known bugs as it is a year behind the main development code)... you can upgrade a working 2.0 to it. Fix your 2.0 setup and get that working first.

ok, thanks

i switched yesterday from xenforo and i am surprised at how good smf is.

I was looking on github and 2 of the 3 issues have a fixand one is a minor theme bug. The last one, the Privacy Policy system, seems to be stalled. What seems to be the problem with this one. Is this related to previous legal problems?

Quote from: DenDen60 on July 18, 2020, 02:09:09 PM
I was looking on github and 2 of the 3 issues have a fixand one is a minor theme bug. The last one, the Privacy Policy system, seems to be stalled. What seems to be the problem with this one. Is this related to previous legal problems?

No. It's just that what was shipped with 2.0 was apparently not good enough for 2.1.

Ok. Then let's hope that the programming problems are solved soon.

I have migrated from 2.0 to 2.1 version (https://huongtinhyeu.net). Most of things are good, thank you very much from Vietnam.

I am waiting for RC3. I hope it will be soon. I also hope that the reason it takes more time is technological and not interrelational. The later is more difficult to solve and influences everything else.

It's not technical.

Quote from: Arantor on July 25, 2020, 05:37:29 AM
It's not technical.

Then this is bad news.  :(  I imagine that it is not related to programming and development competence, but is it?

I hate to ask this question, but is there a fire in the house? If so, did we call the firefighters?

The development is still active in our GitHub repository: https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1

Active is a big word. The level of activity seems to be real low since May. At least for RC3

Our developers are volunteers as well. Sometimes we just can't pull the time to commit 50-30 commits per week, and that doesn't means it's not active. It is, less than some other periods, but it is.

I know they are volunteers and I know what it is. I have been a volunteer in many organizations.


However, sometime the level of enthusiasm of volunteers is brought down by the "organizational culture", which has an impact on the interactions of the volunteers which in turn affects the  quality and quantity of work accomplished.


Hence, what I am asking when I ask if there is a fire in the house, is if the "organizational culture" is conducive to good interrelations. If they aren't then, maybe firefighters should be called in. If there is no fire, then, that is good new. I will continue to be patient. 

Quote from: DenDen60 on July 28, 2020, 11:12:21 AM
Hence, what I am asking when I ask if there is a fire in the house, is if the "organizational culture" is conducive to good interrelations.

Sure it is! As you saw, back in May we had a higher flow of commits in the repo. Nowadays it isn't that high, and the reason is plain and simple: the volunteers don't currently have as much time as they did back in May. We as an organization can't make any changes on each individual's schedule so that that flow gets high again.

We can't release RC3 because it's not ready, because the volunteers didn't find time to dedicate to the pending issues.

Quote from: d3vcho on July 28, 2020, 11:28:25 AM
Sure it is!

Great, then I will be patient.  :D

Someone who is patient does not ask the same question three different ways in the hopes of getting a different answer.

Quote from: Arantor on July 28, 2020, 12:57:10 PM
Someone who is patient does not ask the same question three different ways in the hopes of getting a different answer.

Well in case you do not realize it, you led me in this direction when you answered the following question: " I also hope that the reason it takes more time is technological and not interrelational. The later is more difficult to solve and influences everything else."


You answered: " it's not technical".


Had you answered properly... we would not be having this conversation. ;-)

Your mind tricks to push blame do not work on me.

Of course they don't. I know you. I would have drop dead 8)  if you had answered: "That is true. Sorry about that,  I could have been more precise in my answer."

I could have been more precise. Maybe there was a reason why I wasn't, that because of the giant conspiracy I chose not to elaborate on, just for your benefit.

Quote from: Arantor on July 28, 2020, 03:03:23 PM
I could have been more precise.

Good. At least we agree on this point. ;)  Have a good day.

Looks like RC3 is almost here  8)

Is RC3 compatible with PHP 7.4?

Yes it will be :)

Quote from: Pyrhel on August 13, 2020, 12:23:51 PM
Looks like RC3 is almost here  8)

I don't think so, I don't understand what happened ...
https://simplemachines.org/about/smf/team.php#dev

Many developers have gone away or am I wrong?

Not everyone who contributes is on the team. But yes, a number of people who worked on 2.1 are no longer team members (like me)

Quote from: d3vcho on August 13, 2020, 05:08:55 PM
Yes it will be :)

Good stuff!

Quote from: Pyrhel on August 13, 2020, 12:23:51 PM
Looks like RC3 is almost here  8)

Where? What? Who? When?

I'm assuming that's because if one looks at GitHub, one can discover the number of issues left for RC3 is very low. But it has been very low for some time now.

Ah kind of a bummer...

Quote from: Arantor on August 17, 2020, 05:03:34 AM
I'm assuming that's because if one looks at GitHub, one can discover the number of issues left for RC3 is very low. But it has been very low for some time now.

To give some hope I think this is the highest I have seen rc3, be good to get some of them fixed as some of the milestones have been sitting for a while

It was down to 1 issue some weeks back and just sat there on 1 issue outstanding - and it looks like we're back to that when taking into account the things tagged 'has fix' (which have been tagged as such for maybe 2 months...)

Off topic discussion moved: https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=574493.0

Please stay on topic here.  Thank you.

Quote from: MobileCS on August 13, 2020, 03:51:23 PM
Is RC3 compatible with PHP 7.4?

Has it been tested on any beta versions of 8.0?

Quote from: SpacePhoenix on August 24, 2020, 12:14:46 PM

Quote from: MobileCS on August 13, 2020, 03:51:23 PM
Is RC3 compatible with PHP 7.4?

Has it been tested on any beta versions of 8.0?

Before worrying about 8.0, worry about actual testing on 7.4.

That's why I like your answers!
My real website has been at PHP7.4.8 for months and no errors!

Quote from: Irisado on August 24, 2020, 11:55:41 AM
Off topic discussion moved: https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=574493.0

Please stay on topic here.  Thank you.

Thank you finally someone managed to sort out the discussions that wasn't really suited to this topic. :)

This topic being a year-old announcement?

Shh, don't say that out loud.

Quote from: Arantor on August 18, 2020, 07:46:47 PM
It was down to 1 issue some weeks back and just sat there on 1 issue outstanding - and it looks like we're back to that when taking into account the things tagged 'has fix' (which have been tagged as such for maybe 2 months...)

I've been watching this for quite a while now and I know exactly what you mean. Those last three just sitting there is driving me insane. I want RC3 so bad!

As far as PHP 7.4.x goes, I've had zero issues other than the known RC2 log bugs, and I've been keeping up with the latest release versions of PHP and MySQL lately. I would love to test RC3 for any PHP issues, but...ya know. :P

If anyone has issues with moderation decisions, raise them in the appropriate board (Site Comments, Issues, and Concerns), not here.  Off topic replies have been removed.

For RC3 are we literally just waiting for the pull request to be implemented?

Noticed now an RC4 milestone, so anyone able to confirm that may mean we get RC3 sooner rather than later - just curious please don't shoot the messenger  ;D

what cab be confirmed is that you will get RC3 BEFORE RC4

Quote from: Deaks on August 25, 2020, 02:15:15 PM
what cab be confirmed is that you will get RC3 BEFORE RC4

Ok asked for that. LoL

R3 RC4 RC5 RC 6 goes on and this continues to SMF

Quote from: shinglis on August 25, 2020, 03:01:50 PM

Quote from: Deaks on August 25, 2020, 02:15:15 PM
what cab be confirmed is that you will get RC3 BEFORE RC4

Ok asked for that. LoL

you did :D

Seriously what it looks like is the team have taken alot of the smaller issues in essence and moved them to RC4 and left bigger ones to Final.  Alot of them have a fix assigned so it really just needs the fix tested and confirmed by team to be merged in.

Will compatibility testing with PHP 8 be done with RC3 or RC4?

Quote from: SpacePhoenix on August 25, 2020, 07:59:37 AM
For RC3 are we literally just waiting for the pull request to be implemented?

I haven't checked it yet today, but last I read yesterday, they just had some minor details to work out, including fixing one bug that was somewhat unrelated to that final report. Sesquipedalian also requested some changes, but he has mysteriously vanished over the last few weeks from what I can see.

Quote from: SpacePhoenix on August 25, 2020, 05:04:03 PM
Will compatibility testing with PHP 8 be done with RC3 or RC4?

PHP 8.0 is not out yet and that is a huge undertaking. I'm doubting that will even be a part of the final release of SMF 2.1 unless the changes necessary are small enough before a final release is made. PHP 8.0, from what I've read, is a massive change in their codebase that is going to significantly effect compatibility with web applications across the internet.

Various spam and off topic replies have been removed.  It is unfair to members having on topic discussion to keep littering this topic with spam and off topic contributions.  Any future off topic posts will be removed without subsequent notice.

please remember this topic is about SMF 2.1 RC2. this topic is NOT about any other version.

Quote from: Illori on September 06, 2020, 04:08:13 PM
please remember this topic is about SMF 2.1 RC2. this topic is NOT about any other version.

LOL. OK So looks like RC2 is complete and RC3 is coming. :-)


PS. Suggestion, it is a good think to let member be happy about a release. It creates hype.

Hi can you please clarify for me what the latest version of SMF is as we are currently running SMF 2.1 RC2 but I notice
SMF 2.1 RC1 released 4 Feb 2019
but upgraded from 2.1RC1 to 2.1RC2 25 Apr 2019

but SMF 2.017 which appears to be an older version was released later on 30 Dec 2019 ???

We have a few issues with our current version so it would be great if there was a newer version.

SMF 2.0.17 is the latest production release.
SMF 2.1 RC? are 'release candidates', and are not advised for use on production forums.
If you are already on 2.1 RC2, you will need to wait for 2.1 RC3, as there is no migration path from RC2 => 2.0.17.

Hey guys, I'm still in the arena of looking around all the forums and which one to use. I've come back to SMF and phpBB - the thing is being mobile ready is a big thing on my list. I just checked some of the Themes for the Beta and I was thinking it actually looks pretty good the few there are. Anyway, going to try it again and install it again and try out the Themes on my mobile and get a feel of it.

Anyway, I just saw you fixed all the bugs for the RC3 as well? But I don't see it around anywhere - I guess the last touches are still being made. Oh well. Nothing else then to try it out and see how the themes shows up on my mobile. phpBB seems more... I don't know, but I was very interested when I saw what already had been made for the new Mobile ready SMF... It's a hard choice you know choosen something which might be needed and used for years.

I've given up on Flarum, thinking about it - it works in this modern way which I find confusing and really the old model worked just fine! But it is Mobile ready although still in beta but looking at how one of the main programmers trashed FluxBB for mobility and turned to Flarum who knows what will happen then with Flarum. And they kinda booted me as well from the forum, a couple of times as well last time I was on fire to try it out, use it and set it up. It seems they are kinda more touchy on things and closing topics which are interesting here and there, very anoying. Although I wonder if they are more touchy as well with things because this new modern way of handling things with Tags might have its weaknesses compared to the old working model which has stood its time.

So thinking hard on it, what might be the better choice, phpBB and SMF seems to be the better choices. And the Community is less aggressive and more welcoming. Which is also kinda important if one wants to seek help and support. Without some braines to help out here and there - it's going to be hard overall when one gets into an issue down the road.

Both phpBB and SMF seems to still be alive and ongoing php forums, I'm just concerned somewhat in regards of how the mobility is. I'm going to install SMF again and maybe phpBB on my hosted server and make another test drive.

The problem I had with phpBB was that its just not totally to my liking, like there is not really a theme that seemed to do it for me as in regards of what I wanted. SMF seems that it is more in the style that I wanna, I just gave up on it because the mobility was still in Beta last time. But, it seems it can be used anyway, even if it is still in Beta. The Themes seems to be somewhat more of the nature I'm looking for, and more I'm sure will come as time goes. So anyway... Sorry, I think a lot over things... Just download and install I guess and try it out again and the themes ;)

I think there was like 4 or 5 mobile themes for the new Beta on the site - can't remember if there was anything else with SMF out of the package.

Anyway, anyone have some SMF forums to check out that are active? I guess it is easy to add a top bar to SMF? maybe...
This is using markup right? The good old standard which forums have used and which has stood it time. Not the new modern markdown nonsense which usually ruin my text when writing because it activates here and there.

Hmm, looking at the post reply thing here, reminds me of a text editor and it seems to work very well.

Anyway, I was just thinking about the RC3 as everything seems to have been fixed on the github page as far as I could see.

Dearly Regards and Jehovah bless
- Darkijah - confused person still on the lookout for a foundational forum for mobile use.

Just an idea, although it might already be fixed in the new version. My name is clearly to long for the forum - would be nice if it maybe made it smaller automatically so it would fit if it goes beyond where it should. Anyway, might have already been fixed in the new version. Another way of cause to get around this is to narrow the letters you can use for names.

Anyway, I had something else on my mind which I seemed to have forgot when I saw the fluck. Oh, yea I remember now - is the Forum in the tongue of Danish? Not that I care but the users might to at least one of the things I was thinking of using a forum for.

Dearly Regards again - and thanks for all the help, going to read some more on the forum.
- Darkijah

Danish language packs for 2.0.x and 2.1: https://download.simplemachines.org/index.php?languages;id=12 ;)

Quote from: Antechinus on September 24, 2020, 01:14:40 AM
Danish language packs for 2.0.x and 2.1: https://download.simplemachines.org/index.php?languages;id=12 ;)

Awesome, great, thanks! :)

Regards the RC3, yes all issues are sorted on github, so stay tuned :)

You can find nice responsive themes, or even customize existing ones to fit to your needs. 2.0.x also has some nice responsive theme, so might worth to try it as well.

We are staying tuned. We have been staying tuned for a couple of weeks now. :D

Quote from: Antechinus on September 24, 2020, 03:44:42 AM
We are staying tuned. We have been staying tuned for a couple of weeks now. :D

Just weeks? :P

Quote from: Dzonny on September 24, 2020, 03:17:07 AM
Regards the RC3, yes all issues are sorted on github, so stay tuned :)

You can find nice responsive themes, or even customize existing ones to fit to your needs. 2.0.x also has some nice responsive theme, so might worth to try it as well.

Awesome, I'll have a look on the themes of 2.0.X - I just thought they had to be for the beta. It seems there are 6 pages of themes for whatever 2.0.x I'll have a look at some point. It seems one needs to install things 1 by 1, like I wanted to just install all the themes by one action yet it seemed I need to do it manual for each one of them when I tried last. Well, not a biggie - was just wondering.

Quote from: shawnb61 on September 19, 2020, 07:28:53 PM
SMF 2.0.17 is the latest production release.
SMF 2.1 RC? are 'release candidates', and are not advised for use on production forums.
If you are already on 2.1 RC2, you will need to wait for 2.1 RC3, as there is no migration path from RC2 => 2.0.17.

Production forums? would that be like big Firms that need total stability and such?

Ehh, kinda.  It refers to the SMF installs which are not test or development sites. Like this one.

Quote from: SugarD-x on September 24, 2020, 12:04:18 PM

Quote from: Antechinus on September 24, 2020, 03:44:42 AMWe are staying tuned. We have been staying tuned for a couple of weeks YEARS now. :D

Just weeks? :P

#ThereIFixedIt
(Yes, I grow weary of the wait. This is/will be my only public "complaint", though, because I *am* Mr. SMF, through and through...)

/me fades back into the shadows

Quote from: Antechinus on September 24, 2020, 03:44:42 AM
We are staying tuned. We have been staying tuned for a couple of weeks now. :D

Don't hold your breath, you might change color; we had a few roadblocks, but we are moving forward. It will be ready when it's ready. You're experienced in waiting, so... keep doing that! ;)

Quote from: JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life on September 24, 2020, 11:35:07 PM

Quote from: shawnb61 on September 19, 2020, 07:28:53 PM
SMF 2.0.17 is the latest production release.
SMF 2.1 RC? are 'release candidates', and are not advised for use on production forums.
If you are already on 2.1 RC2, you will need to wait for 2.1 RC3, as there is no migration path from RC2 => 2.0.17.

Production forums? would that be like big Firms that need total stability and such?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deployment_environment#Production