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SMF Support => SMF 2.0.x Support => Topic started by: Peter de la mare on June 29, 2021, 07:14:10 AM

Title: 2.0.18. Constant spam accounts being created.
Post by: Peter de la mare on June 29, 2021, 07:14:10 AM
I have all the anti-spam and security settings on the highest settings, except the visual verification image is on high.   The other measures like questions etc don't seem to work.

I get around a dozen spam accounts a day. 

Any tips?
Title: Re: 2.0.18. Constant spam accounts being created.
Post by: Aleksi "Lex" Kilpinen on June 29, 2021, 07:18:34 AM
More and better questions is usually the suggested course of action. Don't rely on just one or two questions that are repeated in cycles.
Combining that with recaptcha or alternatives works fairly well in my experience.
Title: Re: 2.0.18. Constant spam accounts being created.
Post by: Kindred on June 29, 2021, 07:49:19 AM
30 GOOD questions, asking 2 at registration.
Change the questions at least once a year
Title: Re: 2.0.18. Constant spam accounts being created.
Post by: Peter de la mare on June 29, 2021, 07:56:33 AM
Thank you Kindred and Aleksi, I'll update the questions and add loads of new ones.

Is 2.1 any better at spam protection or the same?
Title: Re: 2.0.18. Constant spam accounts being created.
Post by: Aleksi "Lex" Kilpinen on June 29, 2021, 08:44:56 AM
Basically the same options in 2.0 and 2.1, I don't think there is much difference out of the box.
Title: Re: 2.0.18. Constant spam accounts being created.
Post by: Steve on June 29, 2021, 09:20:57 AM
To illustrate further what Kindred said click here (https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=531660.msg3776163#msg3776163).
Title: Re: 2.0.18. Constant spam accounts being created.
Post by: efk on June 29, 2021, 01:59:35 PM
https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=571419.msg4045460#msg4045460
https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=575212.msg4070909#msg4070909
Title: Re: 2.0.18. Constant spam accounts being created.
Post by: Shades. on June 29, 2021, 11:37:20 PM
CleanTalk works great for me! https://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=3851 8)
Title: Re: 2.0.18. Constant spam accounts being created.
Post by: Steve on June 30, 2021, 07:12:41 AM
Quote from: efk on June 29, 2021, 01:59:35 PM
https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=571419.msg4045460#msg4045460
https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=575212.msg4070909#msg4070909

Quote from: Shades. on June 29, 2021, 11:37:20 PM
CleanTalk works great for me! https://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=3851 8)

Overcomplicating things imo ... Kindred's suggestion is simple, easy to implement and is highly effective.
Title: Re: 2.0.18. Constant spam accounts being created.
Post by: shadav on June 30, 2021, 01:18:07 PM
yep them questions really are the best bet, I use some of what a10 posted here (https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=531660.msg3776163#msg3776163) and here (https://simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=525929.msg3727607#msg3727607) and then use questions specific to my site ie what color is the background of the site, what is our sites name, what color is the footer of the site
and then for my specific questions one one site, what game is our site about
or who is the main character, what is the first name of the person that voices (said character), who is the main female character
you get the idea....fairly easy questions for people to answer but not so easy for bots

so have a good handful of questions/answers and display them 2 at a time....I rarely have issues with spammers, I mean yeah there's going to be the occasional one that a person actually signed up and then let a bot loose, but then again if you require : Post count under which users must pass verification to make a post the bot is going to run into the same issues, I usually set mine to 5 or 10 posts

and this is helpful to install so you can have multiple correct answers: https://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/?mod=2984
Title: Re: 2.0.18. Constant spam accounts being created.
Post by: efk on June 30, 2021, 02:04:42 PM
Quote from: Steve on June 30, 2021, 07:12:41 AM
Quote from: efk on June 29, 2021, 01:59:35 PM
https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=571419.msg4045460#msg4045460
https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=575212.msg4070909#msg4070909
Overcomplicating things imo ... Kindred's suggestion is simple, easy to implement and is highly effective.
My solution covers about 80% of possible situations and is advanced approach to different problems with guide to what settings to set and how. I could add more but some info should not be available like that, it is better per case.
Title: Re: 2.0.18. Constant spam accounts being created.
Post by: Steve on June 30, 2021, 02:26:21 PM
I wasn't disparaging what you posted, efk. Just thought maybe the easier route should be tried first. :)
Title: Re: 2.0.18. Constant spam accounts being created.
Post by: a10 on June 30, 2021, 02:59:21 PM
Good questions still does wonders. 30x, 3 active. 10+ years without a single bot ever succeeding, millions of attempts on my forum (looking at server logs).

Still using this kind of templates, with great success> https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=531660.msg3776163#msg3776163
Try it, a few minutes to set up and all spam botnets are -immediately- history :O)

No other measures & nothing in ban list here. Seeing 2 or 3 human spammers pr. year, zero problem to deal with. If any lasting numbers of these (unlikely), then think about adding an extra mod.
Title: Re: 2.0.18. Constant spam accounts being created.
Post by: Peter de la mare on July 02, 2021, 04:10:34 PM
Update, I added another 15 questions of the type suggested here and the other thread linked and I've not had any more spam accounts since.  Thank you very much all. 
Title: Re: 2.0.18. Constant spam accounts being created.
Post by: Dave J on July 14, 2021, 11:26:56 AM
See attached for what I use

I am aware that they are rectangles...before anyone says anything  ;)
Title: Re: 2.0.18. Constant spam accounts being created.
Post by: efk on July 14, 2021, 11:42:11 AM
Nice idea Dave J, how many questions to answer on your forum? Also are there bots to go through?
Title: Re: 2.0.18. Constant spam accounts being created.
Post by: Dave J on July 14, 2021, 11:53:53 AM
Quote from: efk on July 14, 2021, 11:42:11 AM
Nice idea Dave J, how many questions to answer on your forum? Also are there bots to go through?

3 questions to answer. No bots seen
Title: Re: 2.0.18. Constant spam accounts being created.
Post by: efk on July 14, 2021, 03:18:19 PM
Quote from: Dave J on July 14, 2021, 11:53:53 AM
Quote from: efk on July 14, 2021, 11:42:11 AM
Nice idea Dave J, how many questions to answer on your forum? Also are there bots to go through?

3 questions to answer. No bots seen
I guess bots are not capable to give correct answer to 3 questions and it sounds to be the best defense to have 3 questions active, but I personally prefer to go with 2 questions to make it for real humans to be easier. My questions are fairly harder than yours, your idea is at very advanced level, demands better understanding of English compared to my questions, and should be faster to answer.
Title: Re: 2.0.18. Constant spam accounts being created.
Post by: 3 on July 14, 2021, 05:43:16 PM
Quote from: Dave J on July 14, 2021, 11:26:56 AM
See attached for what I use

I am aware that they are rectangles...before anyone says anything  ;)

Not very friendly for color-blind people though.
Title: Re: 2.0.18. Constant spam accounts being created.
Post by: Dave J on July 15, 2021, 01:27:36 AM
Quote from: 3 on July 14, 2021, 05:43:16 PM
Quote from: Dave J on July 14, 2021, 11:26:56 AM
See attached for what I use

I am aware that they are rectangles...before anyone says anything  ;)

Not very friendly for color-blind people though.

That's a very valid point. I have now changed the image.
Title: Re: 2.0.18. Constant spam accounts being created.
Post by: landyvlad on November 02, 2021, 11:33:19 PM
I like that idea, seems more 'engaging' than boring old Q&As with the colourful image :)
Title: Re: 2.0.18. Constant spam accounts being created.
Post by: GL700Wing on November 03, 2021, 12:13:52 AM
Quote from: landyvlad on November 02, 2021, 11:33:19 PMI like that idea, seems more 'engaging' than boring old Q&As with the colourful image :)
Image for Anti-Spam Verification Questions (https://custom.simplemachines.org/index.php?mod=4278)
Title: Re: 2.0.18. Constant spam accounts being created.
Post by: landyvlad on November 03, 2021, 03:46:02 AM
Thanks for that but I don't like that mod author...  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D








Cheers mate
Title: Re: 2.0.18. Constant spam accounts being created.
Post by: GL700Wing on November 03, 2021, 04:40:41 AM
Quote from: landyvlad on November 03, 2021, 03:46:02 AMThanks for that but I don't like that mod author...  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D



Cheers mate
Yeah right ...  ;)
Title: Re: 2.0.18. Constant spam accounts being created.
Post by: landyvlad on November 29, 2021, 06:44:22 PM
GL700 mod works great :)