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Simple Machines is proud to announce the release of SMF 1.1 RC2, the second (and final) release candidate for SMF 1.1, this New Years Eve.

There are numerous changes from the preceding Release Candidate 1.1 RC1 including the release of the new default "Core" theme. This theme introduces a whole new look to SMF, using tabs for the navigation making it look original and easier to translate to other languages. The previous default theme and the classic theme are still both included in this release. The old default theme has been named back to its original name "babylon" and the classic theme stays the same.

Some of the other notable changes in this release are:

• AJAX editing
  
  
  • Edit a post without page reloads
  • Double click to edit topic subjects on message index (Need quick moderation enabled)
• Added new search features including
  
  
  • Search within a topic
  • Search within personal messages
  • Search participation levels are now shown
  • A new feature to create a custom index for searching messages, and more.
• Most Online Today and Most Online Ever has been added to the Info Center.

But there were also numerous bugfixes including:

• Package manager bug was fixed.
• Deleting empty categories bug fixed

To ensure the most optimal preformance the following changes were made:

• Optimised the tables for holding "topic read" information
• The search engine was rewritten to better accommodate the fulltext and custom indexes
• Added cache support interface in admin panel where you can activate different accelerators.
• Made it much easier to integrate SMF with other software.
• Help files converted to template and language strings.
• Ensured SMF is MySQL STRICT compatible.
• The copyright text is now one line only.
• Added a Private Messages link to the menu.

Installing/Upgrading information
Upgrading from your current version of SMF to the latest version could not be simpler, just follow the standard procedure of executing upgrade.php.  But, please remember to make a backup!!  The upgrader will upgrade any installation from YaBB SE 1.5.5 all the way up to the latest version of SMF.  You can always find information posted here about things like installation (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=6765.0), upgrade (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=6832.0), and more.

Users with large boards
This release has huge optimizations in the log table structure to reduce the ongoing operating load on your server. However, to achieve this saving the upgrade has a lot of work to do - which for boards with more than 75,000 posts may take quite some time. Please bear this in mind during the upgrade - try to do it at a quiet time if at all possible. In most cases, it will take up to an hour to upgrade, but it could take several. Remember, the script has timeout protection and auto resume - so just get it started and leave it to do its job. We've added progress bars to the upgrade script to help give you an indication of how things are going!

Theme Authors
There have been a few theme alterations with the arrival of the new default theme. If you are having any problems with existing themes then read the topic theme alterations in RC2 (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=57859.0).

Attention
While we are confident that there are no major problems with this release, we want to remind you that it is still not to be considered stable software. We do not recommend its use in "live" situations and if you are not comfortable with using this Release Candidate we advise you to wait until the release of the final version before using the 1.1 line.

Download SMF1.1 Release Candidate 2 (http://www.simplemachines.org/download.php)

Thanks,
Simple Machines

WooHoo, time to upgrade. :D

Excellent news :)

Upgrading now!

Great News Just Yet in 2005.... en then suprising for public smf-forumvisitors in 2006...;)

Could I also ask everyone who may experience any problems with this update to post about it in the support boards, and not in this topic. This will ensure we do not miss any support requests!

What a great way to wake up on New Years Eve! Thank you guys! SMF is the best eva!

Thanks for the new years eve present, upgrading now :)

Thanks a lot  - upgrade finished without problems on my test site  :)

Mike

SMF is the best. :) I mean what better present could you wish for on New Year's Eve?

Quote from: nanbread on December 31, 2005, 10:55:16 AM
SMF is the best. :) I mean what better present could you wish for on New Year's Eve?

I definetly agree :)

Thanks a lot. This is a very nice gift in a new year. ;D

I will upgrade my forum right now: http://www.goldenkey.edu.vn/vi/forum

What is a ballpark timetable for when you guys at SMF would ideally, and realistically, hope or foresee the final release of SMF 1.1, which I believe will be the next release.

Some time next year... ;D

Quote from: Grudge on December 31, 2005, 11:22:12 AM
Some time next year... ;D

LOL!  ;D

Everything went perfectly! I couldn't be more pleased. Thanks again!

FINALLY! :D

I can't wait to upgrade my test forum later tonight!

Great timing, new years eve.  Great Job guys !!!

Hi All,

Thats great news on 1.1RC2, the other thing i and a lot of people will be trying to find is the Joomla bridge 3.20, i have had a look but can not find, is this out yet???  If not when is it likely, and is there a changelog to see what extra we will get

Thanks

Dan :D

great news. so upgrading instead of fireworks tonight :-)

happy new year to everyone. kudos to the SMF team, best forum ever! cheerio!

Changelog is in the download. As it's 350kB these days you may as well just download it to see it :)

I'll as Orstio about the Joomla bridge.

Sorry Grudge i meant the changelog for the bridge, as last time i compared it to joomlahacks bridge it was missing some useful things which is why i used the joomlahacks one, but i would rather use Orstio's bridge as it has a one click install and he is working closer with you guys on SMF.

I have used several other forums aswell as the others and must agree that SMF is the best one, the only thing i have seen on another forum that is better than SMF is the pdf capability of i think it was IPB,otherwise they do not compare

Great Job, thanks

Dan :D

Very nice to see!

Well done to the SMF Team!!!

An amazing new years gift.

YOU ARE THE BEST AND YOU HAD BEATEN THE REST ALREADY!!!!

I'M NOW GOING TO DRINK AND DRINK AND DRINK TO CELEBRATE SMF!!!!

YOU ARE THE BEST GUYS KEEP IT UP!!!!!!!!!

German, dutch, spanish...

more languages by default?

WHAT?! They shouldn't be in the download...

Quote from: Grudge on December 31, 2005, 12:00:16 PM
WHAT?! They shouldn't be in the download...

I noticed them too..

OK, sorry about that, they've now been removed. They obviously don't cause any harm, just unneeded.

Yeah I was wondering why those languages were there!

Grudge,

On the language part of the downloads, they only include classic and default themes inside, not babylon (And currently only English, German, Spanish, and Dutch are RC2)

the ones you mistakenly included in the base download were only the babylon themes for those languages????

So currently due to your adding the files i have all languages for all 3 themes, but if you have now removed them, then newer people will not, should these be put into the language files and updated

Thanks

Dan

Hi! Great work! I updated a 1.0.5 testforum (about 20.000 posts) in about 15min. well done!

the only thing I haven´t figured out how this work: "Double click to edit topic subjects on message index"
has somebody a picture where to double click?

I wish all a good new year!

dan1dyoung,

I edited our download generation script so that it doesn't put the language stuff in the main download, but DOEs put them in the packs. So everything should now be correct?

Patxi,

You need to have quick moderation enabled from your profile to use it. You just double click in the box surrounding the subject of the post you wish to edit. Just don't click the subject itself.

Grudge

Thanks for the release.

Going to update the forums I manage and use this as the centre of my new site ;D

Thanks for the update, devs! :D I wasn't going to light off fireworks, so now I've got something to do tonight! ;D

Quote from: Patxi on December 31, 2005, 12:17:59 PM

the only thing I haven´t figured out how this work: "Double click to edit topic subjects on message index"
has somebody a picture where to double click?

I've had trouble with figuring out how to use it, too.

NVM, saw grudge's post above.

Grudge,

I have just downloaded spanish again, and it contains themes classic and default, no babylon????

Am i missing something??

Thanks

Dan

Quote from: Grudge on December 31, 2005, 12:19:14 PMYou need to have quick moderation enabled from your profile to use it. You just double click in the box surrounding the subject of the post you wish to edit. Just don't click the subject itself.

quick response time! now it works! well....really really a very useful function!!!

uups... I guess I found a bug or feature!?
...you can edit the subject, and it is changed if you make a mouseclick somewhere else.
...If you press RETURN nothing changes.

should I post it in a different forum?

dan1dyoung,

I just tested it and it was fine. Your browser has probably cached your previous download.

Nice to see RC2 go public. Doesn't the NDT (new theme) rock? :)

Quote from: akabugeyes on December 31, 2005, 12:40:34 PM
Nice to see RC2 go public. Doesn't the NDT (new theme) rock? :)

Yeah its real smart! And smooth!

Does she/it have a name other than NDT?

It is often called Core. :)

It's called Core.  The future is here :P

Damn it aka beat me to it :P

-JayBachatero

Bloc has called his theme Core. So it has a name :)

Grudge,

How strange, i have tried all 4 RC2 templates and in IE and FF and refreshed both and cleared cache and still the downloads only contain the themes default and classic, no babylon

Thanks

Dan

Dan,

I downloaded German this time for comparison, and I definetely still get them all! I think we'll have to agree to disagree and see if anyone else finds the same ???

Grudge

Ok I just downloaded the RC2 package from the downloads and everything is there.  I guess if you want I can send it to you.  You got the upgrade package right?

-JayBachatero

It is very good, I like it a lot. The Core theme is super but, there is always a but, I'm not sure that it should have been the default theme. I think that could cause a few hiccups with mods.

Ive downloaded the spanish files for a test of this, it seems:

Babylon and Default are the same images, is this what you mean? There are no new images for the new theme (Core)?

Core doesn't use graphics from what I see, its a text based interface that uses some clever theming to make it look like images :)

Grudge/JayBachatero,

sorry
Just restarted everything and it looks OK now, good old M$ again

Any news on the bridge??

Thanks

Dan

Great news thank you very much for this!!

Quote from: Grudge on December 29, 2005, 04:53:27 AM
To ensure the most optimal preformance the following changes were made:

• Made it much easier to integrate SMF with other software.

what you mean exactly? have you changed/added anything to support mambo/joomla integration, as now most users use joomla-smf integration from joomlahacks.com and i'd like to know if there are some critical changes...

again Thanks and happy new year!!

Quote from: dan1dyoung on December 31, 2005, 01:00:14 PM
Grudge/JayBachatero,

sorry
Just restarted everything and it looks OK now, good old M$ again

Any news on the bridge??

Thanks

Dan

Ahh glad to hear you got your package :)

-JayBachatero

The upgrade went fine, however I made a new copy of the "Default" theme so I could modify it and the images are not in their proper directories...

EDIT: Nevermind, I just downloaded the Full Install and copied over the images that way...

Grudge,

I am running SMF 1.0.5 with MKPortal M1.0, will this upgrade be safe for that combination?  I know you don't do MKPortal, but wondered if you had heard any problems.  I've not modified ANY of the code in either SMF or MKPortal.

Thanks,

Brian

w5ami, I'm honestly not sure how 1.0.5 integrates with MKPortal, I recommend checking the Bridges board before upgrading - I expect RC2 will integrate much like RC1 did.

Gandalg, Orstio has written a new bridge for RC2. I'm sure he'll make a post about it shortly.

nokonium, The NDT only changes relatively few templates in any great way, so hopefully it won't break many mods.

This is Great News  ;)

For those early birds who got RC2 before the others, you may want to check out this topic. It appears a few problems slipped through:

http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=63164.0

Have loaded it on a prod site (I like to live dangerously) - no problems there (it lives within mkPortal) - I like the generate reports facility - showed me that all my permissions are messed up!  :-[

Quote from: amanoffewwords on December 31, 2005, 02:02:28 PM
Have loaded it on a prod site (I like to live dangerously) - no problems there (it lives within mkPortal) - I like the generate reports facility - showed me that all my permissions are messed up!  :-[

Hey amanoffewwords, that is good news!  What version of SMF did you have previously, and which MKPortal are you running?  I almost took the dangerous plunge too, but backed out until I found someone like you...  :D

Quote from: NewsNews: SMF 1.1 RC1 has been released!  If you're interested in beta testing, why not take a look?

Could you update the board news so it says RC2?

Done.

All my site are now powered by RC2

Quote from: w5ami on December 31, 2005, 02:07:17 PM
Hey amanoffewwords, that is good news!  What version of SMF did you have previously, and which MKPortal are you running?  I almost took the dangerous plunge too, but backed out until I found someone like you...  :D

I had SMF 1.1 RC1 using the Juno template which I customised so probably can't see a lot of the mods yet - will  have to have a scan of it another day.

MKportal is 1.1 RC1.

I have described the mod required for subs.php in this post on the mkportal site (http://www.mkportal.it/support/showthread.php?t=10940) - to allow the board to open within mkportal.

hth
Charles

LOL!  ;D Thanks for the new years eve present, upgrading now.


iman_ebru

All,

An update for those waiting for the Joomla Bridge 3.20

Orstio
Developer
Simple Machines Hero


    Re: (No subject)
« Sent to: dan1dyoung on: Today at 02:37:11 PM »     

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We are just in the process of discussing how to release it.   

Confused...

Quote from: Grudge on December 29, 2005, 04:53:27 AM
Simple Machines is proud to announce the release of SMF 1.1 RC2, the second (and final) release candidate for SMF 1.1, this New Years Eve.

Quote from: Grudge on December 29, 2005, 04:53:27 AM
if you are not comfortable with using this Release Candidate we advise you to wait until the release of the final version before using the 1.1 line.

Is it final, or is it not?

Anyone got a place for me to see this tabbed interface.

Would like to try it out before upgrading.

Quote from: kat on December 31, 2005, 03:10:01 PM
Confused...

Is it final, or is it not?

How can you be confused? In your own quotes it says "second and final RELEASE CANDIDATE for SMF 1.1"

As long as it says Release Candidate, Alpha, Beta or SP its not the initial or Final full release.

Kat,

This is probably the last Release Candidate before the for SMF 1.1 goes final, so no it is not final at present.

1.0.5 is final (Hence no RC in the version like 1.1 RC2), 1.1 RC2 is a Release Candidate only

Thanks

Dan

QuoteI have described the mod required for subs.php in this post on the mkportal site - to allow the board to open within mkportal.

Thanks Charles.  Since I do not have SMF open "within" the MKPortal env, will I need to make this mod?  I open my SMF forum in a window of it's own and never have plans to embed it within MKPortal, however MKPortal does use the same member database, etc., as the SMF forum. 

I'm thinking about making a mirror of my current site and testing the SMF upgrade to be on the safe side.

Thanks for the reply!

Brian

Quote from: TheMaTrIx on December 31, 2005, 03:15:10 PM

How can you be confused? In your own quotes it says "second and final RELEASE CANDIDATE for SMF 1.1"

As long as it says Release Candidate, Alpha, Beta or SP its not the initial or Final full release.

Gotcha.

I took "Final" to mean "Final".

Silly me.




God, I don't half get some abuse, here. I'm a nooB to SMF and I'm seriously considering moving to different software, now. I've had nothing but put-downs, since I've joined. We're not all familiar with the terminology used, here, you know.

Thanks for your friendlier respopnse, Dan! ;D

Quote from: kat on December 31, 2005, 03:18:23 PM

Quote from: TheMaTrIx on December 31, 2005, 03:15:10 PM

How can you be confused? In your own quotes it says "second and final RELEASE CANDIDATE for SMF 1.1"

As long as it says Release Candidate, Alpha, Beta or SP its not the initial or Final full release.

Gotcha.

I took "Final" to mean "Final".

Silly me.




God, I don't half get some abuse, here. I'm a nooB to SMF and I'm seriously considering moving to different software, now. I've had nothing but put-downs, since I've joined. We're not all familiar with the terminology used, here, you know.

Thanks for your friendlier respopnse, Dan! ;D

We'd love it if you stuck around. I know it can be hard to pick up all the terminology of something new, especially when so many people have been around here for a while and just expect everyone else to know what they're on about. Give it a bit of time, you'll get it all. And hey, then you can give help to the other newbies - and you'll know the place they're in ;)

Let us know if you need any help with SMF! :)

-Merry

Merry... I'm grateful.

Thanks!

A very happy and exceedingly prosperous new year, to you, too!

Nice New Years Eve gift  ;)! Im upgrading my forum right now. Cant wait to test it out  :-\.

Yup, great new years gift!  Upgraded my test board, was really quick and went without a hitch!  Nice.

This is just great news but hey guys, where's the finnish language pack? :O

All,

For those interested in the Joomla Bridge 3.20

Orstio
Developer
Simple Machines Hero

Re: (No subject)
« Sent to: dan1dyoung on: Today at 03:54:35 PM »     

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Released:

http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=63182.0

Thanks

Dan

I upgraded today, very impressed with the new features and default theme.

This makes me very happy.  And what a perfect time to release an upgrade than on my birthday!  Woohoo!   :D

hey is somebody knows if it works with tiny portal 0,75, or I must hope

my SMF is www.electronik.net/forum

Any ideas if this will effect the SMFShop mod?  I'm running 1.05.

The shop mod is vital to my forum.

Brandon

Ive just upgraded and decided to use the default themes so that I can add mods a lot easier, my question is, if I want to add links at the top of the page will this mess up things when it comes to adding other mods?

O.

Shop mod doesn't work on RC1/2 yet I believe.

Adding links at top of theme should be fine

You'll need to ask Bloc about TinyPortal

I have a problem with updating my forum, I only get up "Unknown column 'a.attachmentType' in 'field list'," when I  try to log on. What have I done wrong?
I hope somebody can help me!

Spell Checker doesnt seem to work either ???  ???

O.

Commando, you need to run upgrade.php, in the root forum directory.

Owain, can you post your problem in the support boards with link/description etc :)

Quote from: Grudge on December 31, 2005, 05:46:39 PM
Commando, you need to run upgrade.php, in the root forum directory.

Owain, can you post your problem in the support boards with link/description etc :)

I have done it, but the same error pops up!

What are you upgrading from/to. upgrade.php has definetely not done it's job properly if you end up with that error message. Are you sure you have using the upgrade.php from RC2 and not a previous one?

This was the scariest upgrade/update to watch.  I have had a smf forum since January.

The upgrade went without a hitch.  I have 130,000 + posts, 332 members, so it took 9 minutes including the file upload time.

Excellent!

This upgrade, so far, has taken care of all the issues I had with RC1.

Great Job!

Quote from: al-trance on December 31, 2005, 05:05:37 PM
hey is somebody knows if it works with tiny portal 0,75, or I must hope

my SMF is www.electronik.net/forum

I just checked. Tried to install TinyPortal in RC2, but it wouldn't let it. On my home machine I am currently running a 1.1 RC1 with TinyPortal, and a RC2 set of forums.

I think that perhaps it is time to pick the mod apart to see what it changes and see if I can figure out how to upgrade the mod so it will work. :)  I think that I am going to need to do this with several mods, as my live forums has about 5 or 6 mods applied along with a large number of specific tweaks (time to  install another version of 1.1 RC1 locally, make it a duplicate of my live forums, and then try the upgrade to see what I need to change and/or redo) --sigh--

For now you will need to manually install TP. 

-JayBachatero

I upgraded my forums just now and there are some problems that I'm experiencing.  Seems like my smiley sets have gone out of wack, but that's not the biggest problem I'm experiencing at the moment.  When I do a REPLY to a thread there are these borders around all the images that you can click on (see screenshot below).  I'm using the Ragnarok by Viking Chief, but even if I try another theme that states it's ready for 1.1 RC1 or RC2 it does the same thing.  Thoughts or suggestions on fixing this?  Thanks!

(https://www.simplemachines.org/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chrisrhoads.com%2Fimages%2Fscreenshots%2F20051231_001.jpg&hash=b3789594d4064106e8f65ffaaf114fc38e689599)

Quote from: Grudge on December 31, 2005, 05:48:58 PM
What are you upgrading from/to. upgrade.php has definetely not done it's job properly if you end up with that error message. Are you sure you have using the upgrade.php from RC2 and not a previous one?

Nevermind

EDIT: I got it to work... But thanks for the help anyway!

dustrho. RC1 themes wont work with RC2 without upgrading.
To fix that image border: copy .img class from default themes css file.


And:

Quote from: Grudge on December 31, 2005, 10:27:58 AM
Could I also ask everyone who may experience any problems with this update to post about it in the support boards, and not in this topic. This will ensure we do not miss any support requests!

Thanks.

Awesome job all involved :)
Happy new year from the Netherlands

would not it be a wise idea not to use this RC in a development milieu??

I have the feeling I should wait for a final stable version.

who agrees ?

Why did get "New announcement: SMF 1.1 Release Candidate 2 is available!" mail 3 times? :S

Quote from: Grudge on December 29, 2005, 04:53:27 AM

• Search within a topic

Hello and a happy new Year !


This function is not correct working with substring.

Topic : modern-ring
Search : modern
Result : No match

Search : modern-ring
Result : found!

Update from RC1 to RC2 without any problems, Thank you !
Regards

wow the upgrade was a breeze!!

10 thumbs up :D

but i guess im really overlooking something cos I dont see any of the mentioned upgrades

no ajax - no double click modify option - no search within threads...

Ill investigate though :D

Try with NDT

Shouldn't the new default theme be available on this board?

Not yet :D

looks good. looking around it on my test server and i notice this when im in Detailed Version Check
Calendar.php   1.1 RC2-1   1.1 RC2
;)
im confused kinda if its a typo or purposly done.

It was a bug found on the RC2 release to Charters and the fix was applied as RC2-1.

-JayBachatero

This MySQL Strict stuff can take a while, upto half an hour so far. (1.1GB messages table).

Quote from: JayBachatero on December 31, 2005, 07:58:58 PM
It was a bug found on the RC2 release to Charters and the fix was applied as RC2-1.

-JayBachatero

Thanks jay. ill leave you guys alone now.. you look really busy with all these people asking questions.

The new template rocks!!!

Quote from: Ben_S on December 31, 2005, 08:10:48 PM
This MySQL Strict stuff can take a while, upto half an hour so far. (1.1GB messages table).

Took an hour and a half to do those evil messages table changes.

It would be nice if users with large forums report how long it took to do the log table changes.

-JayBachatero

Upgraded it to my test site with no problems.  The pause to prevent server overload did startle me at first!

My forum has close to 28,000 messages and it took no more than 5 minutes for upgrade.php to complete its business.

I'm really impressed with SMF 1.1 RC2 so far. Nice work!

The only complaint I have with the new default theme is, white text on a gray background doesn't go especially well. But other than that, very good. :)

- Rpg Cyco

Jay, what are large forums? 5000, 10000, 50000 or more posts? ;D

300k posts or more.  But 50k is enough to cause the upgrade to last a while.

QuoteThe only complaint I have with the new default theme is, white text on a gray background doesn't go especially well. But other than that, very good.

You can easily change it though in style.css

-JayBachatero

Quote300k posts or more.  But 50k is enough to cause the upgrade to last a while.

:o

Repeat your question in a few years, then I'll try to answer it  ;)

Well the struggle is from 1.0.5 or 1.1 Beta3- RC2 to 1.1 RC2 oor 1.1 Final.  YOur upgrade to Final should be a smooth upgrade like any other upgrade.  An upgrade to RC2 or Final will be a longer process as the log table needs big changes that are done in RC2 or Final.

-JayBachatero

Well, the whole update (SMF 1.1 RC1 to RC2) was done in less than 5 minutes (16,000 posts). Smooth and simple.

I think there will be much more big changes in future. Let's discuss it again when SMF 5.0 is out ;D

42916 Posts in 2955 Topics by 877 Members

Took about 30 minutes to upgrade my forum.

Going to upgrade right now...

Just did a upgrade on my test forum and worked fine, the spoiler and hide mod wont install again but I figured a few mods would be buggy.
I must say the new theme looks very nice, as soon as I saw it, I know it had some Bloc influences.
great job overall guys...  It really flies too

Quote from: xtremecruiser on December 31, 2005, 10:37:09 PM
Just did a upgrade on my test forum and worked fine, the spoiler and hide mod wont install again but I figured a few mods would be buggy.
I must say the new theme looks very nice, as soon as I saw it, I know it had some Bloc influences.
great job overall guys...  It really flies too

Not all mods will be RC2 compatible.

Really like the new default theme!

Quote from: JayBachatero on December 31, 2005, 09:14:45 PM
It would be nice if users with large forums report how long it took to do the log table changes.

-JayBachatero

32K posts, 3K members, less than 4 minutes, no errors

130k posts took me about 5 min.

Thanks a lot!!! What a beginning to the New Year!!!
Happy New Year to all :D

The update of my test-forum went smoothly. Thanks for this fine piece of work. :D
I realy like the new theme but I also keep the old one available for members who don't like changes.

Quote from: ian on December 31, 2005, 10:44:18 PM
Really like the new default theme!

Same here but the xhtml doesn't validate quite yet... ::)

Brandon

Looks great, and I love it, but I still have the exact same password problem as before when trying to log-in to admin.  It won't except my password, so I got to log-out of the forum completely and then log-in again, just to get into the admin area.  THe last three public releases have had this problem for me.  What is wrong? 

This might be a browser problem.  Did you try it with another browser?

-JayBachatero

All browsers on different operating systems and on different computers.  I even had SMF on different servers and the same log-in errors occurred.  My second server exists no more though. 

This is a weird problem.  Does it happen when loggin in to this website?

-JayBachatero

I have not noticed it on the newest version yet, but on the previous two versions it would only occasionally happen (and still does on the forums I have not upgraded to yet).  I have noticed that the log-in form at the top of the page has few problems than the one on the log-in page that comes up when you can't log-in. 

To prevent this topic from getting to hijacked by this problem, I have posted this error in the following area as well:

http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=41915.msg437898#msg437898

Yes that's better.  I replied there.

-JayBachatero

Hello, and happy new year

From SMF 1.1 Beta 3 Public., what do I have to use to update or upgrate ?

I recommend using upgrade to make sure that you have all of the newest files.

-JayBachatero

Yay yay yay!! i was waiting every moment for this! now i cant wait to use it!! :) :) :D

I'm confused..... which version do I download if I have made modifications to some of the files?

You either download upgrade or update.  Your modifications will be lost so I suggest you backup EVERYTHING before you upgrade.

-JayBachatero

And most mods have to be re-installed again, so I'll just wait in the mean time.

Nice release  :)

QuoteYou either download upgrade or update.  Your modifications will be lost so I suggest you backup EVERYTHING before you upgrade.

How does that work? What's the point of backing up your files if you have to overwrite them with new files? If you upload them again then u'll just be back where you were... SMF doesn't seem to have a very user-friendly upgrade process. :(

Quote from: JayBachatero on January 01, 2006, 03:06:27 AM
You either download upgrade or update.  Your modifications will be lost so I suggest you backup EVERYTHING before you upgrade.

-JayBachatero

so then what exactly is the difference between them ?

btw,
i didnt uninstall my 1.1 rc1 mods before updating to 1.1 rc2
and now theyre still there
and if i try uninstalling them, its says test failed for everything?
so should i just delete them?

Quote from: Prasad007 on January 01, 2006, 03:48:07 AM
i didnt uninstall my 1.1 rc1 mods before updating to 1.1 rc2
and now theyre still there

Yes, delete them is your only way out.  And perhaps clear the installed package list in Packages.  Then pray that the mods you installed play nice with existing installation if they changed anything in database.

So, you've learned it the hard way... uninstall before upgrade. =\

Quote from: Sheepy on January 01, 2006, 03:51:50 AM

Quote from: Prasad007 on January 01, 2006, 03:48:07 AM
i didnt uninstall my 1.1 rc1 mods before updating to 1.1 rc2
and now theyre still there

Yes, delete them is your only way out.  And perhaps clear the installed package list in Packages.  Then pray that the mods you installed play nice with existing installation if they changed anything in database.

So, you've learned it the hard way... uninstall before upgrade. =\

well earlier when i tried it, it was then also saying failed for a few files
the ones that were successful i did uninstall
but the ones that failed uninstallation i didnt uninstall
so thats why i didnt uninstall them
as in the earlier version too it didnt uninstall
so what should i do, delete them?
or proceed with uninstall even if it says failed?

Quote from: dvd-man on January 01, 2006, 03:38:29 AM

QuoteYou either download upgrade or update.  Your modifications will be lost so I suggest you backup EVERYTHING before you upgrade.

How does that work? What's the point of backing up your files if you have to overwrite them with new files? If you upload them again then u'll just be back where you were... SMF doesn't seem to have a very user-friendly upgrade process. :(

dvd-man,

All "minor" upgrades in SMF are released as packages, which are very simple to install and work automatically. (For example, upgrading from 1.0.2 to 1.0.4 etc). Upgrades like 1.0.5 to 1.1 however are major changes, and are impossible to apply as just a "patch". This is why you need to upload all the files.

Bear in mind that mods for SMF are released as packages, so you should be able to upload the new files, which *will* remove all your mods. But then go to the package manager and install them again (As long as they have been updated for the next release, or don't change too much that they still work).

As for themes, they should still work fine. Uploading won't touch any custom themes you've installed, so they should be there still afterwards. It's only if you've made manual changes to the Source files that you will have a problem - but you shouldn't be making modifications manually - that's why we have the package manager.

As for not having an easy upgrade, I'd be *very* interested to be shown any other software which has an easier process. As I said, I'm specically talking about major updates here, minor updates are much, much easier.

whats the babylon theme in this update??
its the same as the default isnt it??

Thanks for a nice gift this new year... more power to SMF!

Quote from: Grudge on January 01, 2006, 04:26:22 AM

Quote from: dvd-man on January 01, 2006, 03:38:29 AM

QuoteYou either download upgrade or update.  Your modifications will be lost so I suggest you backup EVERYTHING before you upgrade.

How does that work? What's the point of backing up your files if you have to overwrite them with new files? If you upload them again then u'll just be back where you were... SMF doesn't seem to have a very user-friendly upgrade process. :(

dvd-man,

All "minor" upgrades in SMF are released as packages, which are very simple to install and work automatically. (For example, upgrading from 1.0.2 to 1.0.4 etc). Upgrades like 1.0.5 to 1.1 however are major changes, and are impossible to apply as just a "patch". This is why you need to upload all the files.

Bear in mind that mods for SMF are released as packages, so you should be able to upload the new files, which *will* remove all your mods. But then go to the package manager and install them again (As long as they have been updated for the next release, or don't change too much that they still work).

As for themes, they should still work fine. Uploading won't touch any custom themes you've installed, so they should be there still afterwards. It's only if you've made manual changes to the Source files that you will have a problem - but you shouldn't be making modifications manually - that's why we have the package manager.

As for not having an easy upgrade, I'd be *very* interested to be shown any other software which has an easier process. As I said, I'm specically talking about major updates here, minor updates are much, much easier.

Firstly; I didn't think it *was* a major upgrade.. I shoulda been more clear in the beginning sorry..... I'm currently on 1.1 RC1 not 1.05.

As for easier upgrading software; well I was with phpBB boards before I moved over to SMF & did many many updates whilst I was running their software; I'll admit they didn't release any MAJOR updates whilst I was using it (I think I was running it from 2.03 - 2.017) but they offered several different options to make it easy upgrading.. the normal full install, the changed files only & the PATCH files which was for people with mods installed; I used this & never once had to worry about my files being lost or having to reinstall mods again. Sure sometimes some of it's edits failed & if they did if you are aware with their software it spat out where it failed & what to do manually to update the file. :)

Quote from: Grudge on December 29, 2005, 04:53:27 AM
Some of the other notable changes in this release are:
Edit a post without page reloads

that doesnt happen, does it!??

Quotewhats the babylon theme in this update??
its the same as the default isnt it??

It's the theme that used to be the default. I.E: The default theme in SMF 1.1 RC1 and below.

Quotethat doesnt happen, does it!??

Err.... I don't understand. The feature works.

- Rpg Cyco

no when i click modify a new page opens

Sorry dvd-man,

Maybe we didn't make it clear enough in the posts. Basically, any release that is *before* a final (i.e. either a beta or RC) is having active development carried out on it, so is likely to have major changes. I could produce a patch file for RC2, but it would be so huge it would take forever to make the changes manually.

What I used to do back in the days of using YaBB, was before an update I'd get my modded install, and an unmodded install and use diff (or any comparison tool, I actually used boardmod) to list all the differences. I then overwrote the old install with the new files and went back and manually made my changes.

I can assure you that once you get to 1.1 Final upgrades will be very, very simple. Also, not much will change between RC2 and Final, just a few bug fixes I hope. That said, if you're not that bothered about upgrading to RC2 and want to avoid hastle maybe you should wait for Final to come out before upgrading?

Quote from: Prasad007 on January 01, 2006, 05:44:14 AM
no when i click modify a new page opens

Either:
1) You are not using updated template files
OR
2) Your browser does not support the required javascript to use this functionality.

Quote from: JayBachatero on December 31, 2005, 09:41:25 PM

QuoteThe only complaint I have with the new default theme is, white text on a gray background doesn't go especially well. But other than that, very good.

You can easily change it though in style.css

-JayBachatero

Yeah, disregard my comments about that. I made a mistake somewhere along the line. All is well now. :)

Quote from: Prasad007 on January 01, 2006, 05:44:14 AM
no when i click modify a new page opens

Also, make sure your not clicking modify, but the modify icon, located to the bottom right your post.

- Rpg Cyco

Quote from: Rpg Cyco on January 01, 2006, 05:55:19 AM

Quoteno when i click modify a new page opens

Also, make sure your not clicking modify, but the modify icon, located to the bottom right your post.

- Rpg Cyco

oh i see
thats a whole different button! yay!
i didnt notice that earlier....
thanks!

Quote from: Grudge on December 29, 2005, 04:53:27 AM

Some of the other notable changes in this release are:

• AJAX editing
  
  
  • Double click to edit topic subjects on message index
  
  

it doesnt work!
where exactly am i supposed to be clicking??
[/list][/list]

On the topic list, double click in the box which contains the subject. You need to have quick moderation enabled.

Quote from: Grudge on January 01, 2006, 06:17:08 AM
On the topic list, double click in the box which contains the subject. You need to have quick moderation enabled.

oh okay cool! It works!
Thank you!

Anyone has checked RC2 with Subdreamer 2.2.3? Does it or should it work?

It works with RC1.

Quote from: Aitor on January 01, 2006, 07:10:00 AM
Anyone has checked RC2 with Subdreamer 2.2.3? Does it or should it work?

It works with RC1.

whats that, subdreamer??

Quotewhats that, subdreamer??

A CMS with smf integration.

www.subdreamer.com (http://www.subdreamer.com)

Quote from: Aitor on January 01, 2006, 07:21:48 AM

Quotewhats that, subdreamer??

A CMS with smf integration.

www.subdreamer.com (http://www.subdreamer.com)

oh okay
thanks!
in what way is it used for smf????

great release

see my forum www.gameftps.com

Quote from: chaos_gamer on January 01, 2006, 08:16:50 AM
great release

see my forum www.gameftps.com

cool site! gr8 job!! :)

Quote from: Prasad007 on January 01, 2006, 07:44:09 AM

Quote from: Aitor on January 01, 2006, 07:21:48 AM

Quotewhats that, subdreamer??

A CMS with smf integration.

www.subdreamer.com (http://www.subdreamer.com)

oh okay
thanks!
in what way is it used for smf????

Forum Integration

Not only does Subdreamer offer its own member system, but it also allows complete integration with phpBB 2, vBulletin 2, vBulletin 3, Simple Machines Forum 1, and Invision Power Board 2.

With integration, you can login from any page, display top posters, display forum stats, integrate usergroups, and so much more!

Quote from: peterstannard on January 01, 2006, 08:22:48 AM

Quote from: Prasad007 on January 01, 2006, 07:44:09 AM

Quote from: Aitor on January 01, 2006, 07:21:48 AM

Quotewhats that, subdreamer??

A CMS with smf integration.

www.subdreamer.com (http://www.subdreamer.com)

oh okay
thanks!
in what way is it used for smf????

Forum Integration

Not only does Subdreamer offer its own member system, but it also allows complete integration with phpBB 2, vBulletin 2, vBulletin 3, Simple Machines Forum 1, and Invision Power Board 2.

With integration, you can login from any page, display top posters, display forum stats, integrate usergroups, and so much more!

cool !
so is it like a portal like mkportal ?
i use smf 1.1 rc2 + mkportal
@ my site @ http://tech-ultimatum.uni.cc
can i use subdreamer too?

Quote from: Prasad007 on January 01, 2006, 08:24:38 AM

Quote from: peterstannard on January 01, 2006, 08:22:48 AM

Quote from: Prasad007 on January 01, 2006, 07:44:09 AM

Quote from: Aitor on January 01, 2006, 07:21:48 AM

Quotewhats that, subdreamer??

A CMS with smf integration.

www.subdreamer.com (http://www.subdreamer.com)

oh okay
thanks!
in what way is it used for smf????

Forum Integration

Not only does Subdreamer offer its own member system, but it also allows complete integration with phpBB 2, vBulletin 2, vBulletin 3, Simple Machines Forum 1, and Invision Power Board 2.

With integration, you can login from any page, display top posters, display forum stats, integrate usergroups, and so much more!

cool !
so is it like a portal like mkportal ?
i use smf 1.1 rc2 + mkportal
@ my site @ http://tech-ultimatum.uni.cc
can i use subdreamer too?

Subdreamer isn't free.

OMG its paid!
Theres no free version ???

Quote from: Prasad007 on January 01, 2006, 08:27:37 AM
OMG its paid!
Theres no free version ???

No.

Why not look @ their site ???

Quote from: peterstannard on January 01, 2006, 08:29:12 AM

Quote from: Prasad007 on January 01, 2006, 08:27:37 AM
OMG its paid!
Theres no free version ???

No.

Why not look @ their site ???

hmmmm... i just did!
forget it, dont want un-paid softs :)

WoW  ;D
Happy new year  :)

Hi folks,

I'm also enthusiastic about the new release but ran into a problem while test-updating a backup site (always start with a test site ... ;-)).

I was updating from SMF 1.1RC1 to RC2, language pack german (which I copied as required), no extra modules, Theme reset to classic YABB.

First thing that was remarkable was that in the upgrade dialogue there was no "Convert the existing template and set it as default"-checkbox.

However, everything seemed to work out fine until I visited /myforum/index.php (after deleting the update script):

The content-part of the theme from the header on down was eliminated, just empty boxes ... neither the admin section nor any boards would come up ...

Did anyone get similar results? Does anyone have a solution? Thanks in advance!

Thorsten

tries,

It won't ask to convert your theme, as if you are coming from RC1 it should preserve your existing themes.

Are you sure you are using the RC2 German language files, that sounds like the language entries are missing?

I suggest you create a topic in the support board, with a link to the test board if possible..

Cheers,

Grudge

QuoteI could produce a patch file for RC2, but it would be so huge it would take forever to make the changes manually.

Why would I need to make them manually with a patch file? Not sure if you have ever used phpBB's patch file method but what it does is run from the command line & processes everything automatically; the only stuff you have to do manually is if it can't find the specific spot it wants to input/change code (usually happens on heavily modified boards) & it'll then spit out the required info on what you need to do manually... it then continues on to the next part; it doesn't abort if it can't do something as each code change is seperate. :)

QuoteWhat I used to do back in the days of using YaBB, was before an update I'd get my modded install, and an unmodded install and use diff (or any comparison tool, I actually used boardmod) to list all the differences. I then overwrote the old install with the new files and went back and manually made my changes.

Could you recommend a good comparision tool?

Quote
Also, not much will change between RC2 and Final, just a few bug fixes I hope. That said, if you're not that bothered about upgrading to RC2 and want to avoid hastle maybe you should wait for Final to come out before upgrading?

Well I would like to upgrade as it sounds like it has some nice new features that would come in very handy; I actually haven't installed any mods; just modified some files to add in my logo & stuff.... actually, come to think of it I think I have only modified the template files.... they won't be touched by this upgrade right?

dvd-man,

How did you make the template changes, did you modify the "default" theme, or create a new theme.

We highly recommend that you never modify the default theme, but assuming you have I recommend the following:
1) Before upgrading, from the admin panel create a new theme, called "site" or similar
2) Make this theme the default for your site.
3) Any templates that you have manually changed in the default folder, copy into the new theme folder

What this does, is mean that by default SMF uses the templates in your new theme, but if a template doesn't exist it takes it from the default folder.

Now, you've effectively got a backup of all your modified files in your "site" template. Upload a copy of RC2 and upgrade. You'll probably find that all your changes are still there and working fine after the upgrade - it's only if you've modified lots of the core templates like Admin that you may have to update them. As always, take a backup of the whole lot before upgrade so you can go back if needed :)

On the subject of patching, it sounds like phpBB tool is much like boardmod. What SMF *normally* does is use the package manager for updates. This is effectively the same as phpBB's tool, except it is all done server side so you never need to mess around on your own PC.

I normally use UltraCompare for comparison which isn't free. You can look here (http://www.thefreecountry.com/programming/filecomparison.shtml) for free ones?

Quote from: dvd-man on January 01, 2006, 10:11:40 AM
Not sure if you have ever used phpBB's patch file method but what it does is run from the command line & processes everything automatically;

This is a fairly big update though, did phpBB provide a patch file to upgrade from phpBB 1 to phpBB 2?

Grudge: Luckily, no.... I have a custom theme installed which I modified. :) Does that mean I am good to go?

Btw... what do you mean "upload a copy of RC2?" Don't I just upload all the files over the top of the current ones & that's it?

Ben: No idea, I started with phpBB around 2.03.

dvd-man,

If all the modified files are in a custom theme, then it's fine. The RC2 package basically involves overwriting your install, yes. Then you just run upgrade.php after uploading.

As always, do ensure you backup, just incase ;)

Grudge

Ok.. I'll give it a go! Thanks Grudge! :)

I love the Core!

but...there are several SSI issues with RC2... Some includes don't work properly, like this one:

<?php
$array = ssi_recentTopics(10, null, 'array');

foreach ($array as $recent)
{
echo '
<a href="' . $scripturl . '?topic=' . $recent['topic'] . '.from' . $recent['newtime'] . ';topicseen#new" title="Board: ', $recent['board']['name'], ' - Poster: ', $recent['poster']['name'], '">
', $recent['subject'], '
', $recent['new'] ? '' : '<a href="' . $scripturl . '?topic=' . $recent['topic'] . '.from' . $recent['newtime'] . ';topicseen#new"><img src="' . $settings['images_url'] . '/' . $context['user']['language'] . '/new.gif" alt="' . $txt[302] . '" border="0" ></a>', '
</a><br>';
}
?>

Instead of taking me to the newest post, it takes me to the topic itself.

Does this need some modification?

Great news, I can upgrade and test just before I move my forums to SMF, great, now all I have to do is redo my code changes

frost, I'll add it to the things to check.

So far, I'm very impressed with RC2, and I love the new default theme!

I miss a topic dedicated to Core in the Themes child board though. I know it's different than all the custom themes like Helios Multi, SMFone, etc since it comes packed with the install, but I still think it would be nice to have one place for questions and comments about the theme, as opposed to flooding the support boards with a new topic for every little issue :)

A new release? OK that's cool. But where can I download it???

The latest release I see in DOWNLOADS is for July 13, 2005.  ???

http://www.simplemachines.org/download.php

Trying Edit with ajax  >:(

Yeah, it works ;)

Hi I get the following error message when I try to upgrade can I sort this out m,anually??

thanks in advance


Converting members and personal messages...
   Converting "members"... (part 1)done.
   Converting "members"... (part 2)
   Members #1 - #7... Unsuccessful!
This query:

    SELECT ID_MEMBER, im_ignore_list, gender, secretAnswer
    FROM smf_members
    LIMIT 0, 500;

Caused the error:

    Unknown column 'im_ignore_list' in 'field list'

That sounds like you're trying to install the 1.0.5 package on a 1.1 install?

Quote from: ukr on January 01, 2006, 07:07:18 PM




    Unknown column 'im_ignore_list' in 'field list'

To add to my question above I have entered the data base using PHP my admin and It shows I have a field called Pm_ignore_list but not one called Im_ignore_list so where is the upgrade getting the idea it is im_   ???

Hope someone can help as I can not access my forums now.

Quote from: Grudge on January 01, 2006, 07:42:24 PM
That sounds like you're trying to install the 1.0.5 package on a 1.1 install?

hey pal you are the dogs!!  :)  How the hell did you know that??   

You are bang on anyway.  just one questions why is the new release not on the top of the down load page for numpties like me??  :-\

We put the "stable" release at the top, so anyone who just pops to the download page by default will get a version with no bugs in it :)

Quote from: Grudge on January 01, 2006, 07:49:07 PM
We put the "stable" release at the top, so anyone who just pops to the download page by default will get a version with no bugs in it :)

Well you helped me out no end but I am sorry to say I think I may have now found a bug  :(

I now get this when trying to access news and newsletters.

Fatal error: Cannot redeclare template_edit_news() (previously declared in /home/rally/public_html/forum/Sources/Load.php(1607) : eval()'d code:351) in /home/rally/public_html/forum/Sources/Load.php(1607) : eval()'d code on line 5

Make sure that you overwrote all of the Source files.  I just tested this out and I did not get any errors.

-JayBachatero

Upgraded and everything is working perfect.

The upgrade on my test site, which is locally on my computer (using XPs Inetpub), went wonderfully.

But when I tried to upgrade to my one line site (running on a unix type system), by running upgrade.php, I get:


The upgrader found some old or outdated files.

Please make certain you uploaded the new versions of all the files included in the package.

Click here to try again.

Make sure that all file got overwritten including index.php.

-JayBachatero

Quote from: JayBachatero on January 01, 2006, 08:55:11 PM
Make sure that you overwrote all of the Source files.  I just tested this out and I did not get any errors.

-JayBachatero

I have re uploaded the upgrade and run upgrade again .  I have checked the file versions and I get this error.  I think it may have a bearing on  what is happening.  Is this possible?

SMF File   Your Version   Current Version


Current Templates   1.0          RC1   1.0.4

Questions.....

I am on a 1.0.5 Forum.  I have a bunch of mods and a custom theme(Which I am not to concerned with).  But my questions are:

1) What will I lose when I upgrade from 1.0.5 to the new 1.1 rc2
2) What kind of time frame should I be expecting to upgrade it?

(I have such things as the shop, arcade, chat, and a few of the "info center" (which I see are automatically in this package) as some of the mods.  How will the stats and tokens and overall mods be effected on my board?)

I uploaded everything, but he says that he found outdated files ???

Fantastic upgrade, absolutely lurvvve the new default theme ;D

Sexy or what ;D ;D

We've upgraded and it's working with MK Portal with no problems.

Brilliant work guys, you deserve a pat on the back and so much more ;D ;D

If it says it has outdated files that means index.php in the root of your forum folder has not been uploaded.

Quote from: frost on January 01, 2006, 11:30:33 AM

Instead of taking me to the newest post, it takes me to the topic itself.

Does this need some modification?

yup, my members are reporting the same.

great release

thank you!

Why is not added the disableQuotedPrintable - 1 into smf_settings?

Needed for many languages....


:-[

Personally, I wonder if that shouldn't be put into the language files themselves, as dependant on which language the email is sent in determines whether you need it? On a multi-language site like this we mya not want it always on or always off. Maybe the solution is to make it a $context setting and put it at the top of language files that need it?

Quote from: Grudge on January 02, 2006, 06:13:33 AM
If it says it has outdated files that means index.php in the root of your forum folder has not been uploaded.

I uploaded it and still doesn't work..

Purplemadness, do you want to PM me a link to your site and an ftp account and I'll resolve it that way - it's normally quicker than posting back and forth :)

Quote from: Purplemadness on January 02, 2006, 04:18:59 AM
I uploaded everything, but he says that he found outdated files ???

This is what I am getting also!

Could it have anything to do with permissions as some files were indicated as being from a previous version even though I KNOW I uploaded them?? 

What version are you coming from, and what is the *exact* error message?

Quote from: Grudge on January 02, 2006, 10:00:27 AM
What version are you coming from, and what is the *exact* error message?

I am coming from smf_1-1-rc1_upgrade.zip

and I foolishly uploaded the upgrade for smf_1-0-5_update.zip

I then got errors like this.

I  get this when trying to access news and newsletters.

Fatal error: Cannot redeclare template_edit_news() (previously declared in /home/rally/public_html/forum/Sources/Load.php(1607) : eval()'d code:351) in /home/rally/public_html/forum/Sources/Load.php(1607) : eval()'d code on line 5



I then used the upgrade for smf_1-1-rc2_upgrade.zip




  I have checked the file versions and I get this error.  I think it may have a bearing on  what is happening.  Is this possible?

SMF File   Your Version   Current Version


Current Templates   1.0          RC1   1.0.4



I then ensured I had uploaded everything again by doing ech folder independantly and now I get.

The upgrader found some old or outdated language files.

Please make certain you uploaded the new versions of all the files included in the package, even the theme and language files for the default theme.

hope this helps.

cheers for bothering with such a dawk  :)

Quote from: littleone on January 02, 2006, 12:59:38 AM
Questions.....

I am on a 1.0.5 Forum.  I have a bunch of mods and a custom theme(Which I am not to concerned with).  But my questions are:

1) What will I lose when I upgrade from 1.0.5 to the new 1.1 rc2
2) What kind of time frame should I be expecting to upgrade it?

(I have such things as the shop, arcade, chat, and a few of the "info center" (which I see are automatically in this package) as some of the mods.  How will the stats and tokens and overall mods be effected on my board?)

I would wait until your shop and arcade mods are compatible with 1.1rc2 or maybe wait until 1.1 final is out. As far as how long it takes for the upgrade to complete depends on the size of your tables. The more posts and members you have the longer it will take. There are a few people that have posted there upgade time and post sizes farther back in the thread. When you do decide to do the upgrade I would suggest that you uninstall all your mods and then re-install with mods that are compatible with what ever version you upgraded to.

\i tested the theory and indeed the default directory was 774 so I set it to 777 and it now upgrades.

I have yet to see if I still get the previous error.

Updating Settings.php... Successful.
Backing up old table data...
   Backing up "attachments"... done.
   Backing up "ban_groups"... done.
   Backing up "ban_items"... done.
   Backing up "board_permissions"... done.
   Backing up "boards"... done.
   Backing up "calendar"... done.
   Backing up "calendar_holidays"... done.
   Backing up "categories"... done.
   Backing up "collapsed_categories"... done.
   Backing up "log_actions"... done.
   Backing up "log_activity"... done.
   Backing up "log_banned"... done.
   Backing up "log_boards"... done.
   Backing up "log_errors"... done.
   Backing up "log_floodcontrol"... done.
   Backing up "log_karma"... done.
   Backing up "log_mark_read"... done.
   Backing up "log_notify"... done.
   Backing up "log_online"... done.
   Backing up "log_polls"... done.
   Backing up "log_search_messages"... done.
   Backing up "log_search_results"... done.
   Backing up "log_search_subjects"... done.
   Backing up "log_search_topics"... done.
   Backing up "log_topics"... done.
   Backing up "membergroups"... done.
   Backing up "members"... done.
   Backing up "message_icons"... done.
   Backing up "messages"... done.
   Backing up "moderators"... done.
   Backing up "package_servers"... done.
   Backing up "permissions"... done.
   Backing up "personal_messages"... done.
   Backing up "pm_recipients"... done.
   Backing up "poll_choices"... done.
   Backing up "polls"... done.
   Backing up "sessions"... done.
   Backing up "settings"... done.
   Backing up "smileys"... done.
   Backing up "themes"... done.
   Backing up "topics"... done.
Successful.
Updating and creating indexes...
    Updating indexes on "categories"... done.
    Updating indexes on "boards"... done.
    Updating indexes on "messages" (part 1)... done.
    Updating indexes on "messages" (part 2)... done.
    Updating indexes on "messages" (part 3)... done.
    Updating indexes on "messages" (part 4)... done.
    Updating indexes and data on "smileys"... done.
    Updating indexes on "log_online"... done.
    Updating indexes on "log_errors"... done.
    Updating indexes on "log_boards"... done.
    Updating indexes on "log_mark_read"... done.
    Updating indexes on "themes"... done.
Successful.
Reorganizing configuration settings...
    Updating data in "settings"... done.
    Adding new settings... done.
    Cleaning old values from "settings"... done.
    Encoding SMTP password... done.
Successful.
Installing new default theme...
    Installing theme settings... done.
Successful.
Adding and updating member data...
    Renaming personal message tables... done.
    Updating indexes on "pm_recipients"... done.
    Updating columns on "pm_recipients"... done.
    Updating columns on "members"... done.
    Updating member approval... done.
Successful.
Updating holidays and calendar...
    Adding new holidays... done.
    Updating event start and end dates... done.
    Converting other date columns... done.
Successful.
Adding custom message icons...
    Checking for an old table... done.
    Creating "message_icons"... done.
    Inserting "message_icons"... done.
Successful.
Adding package servers...
    Creating "package_servers"... done.
    Inserting "package_servers"... done.
Successful.
Cleaning up database...
    Updating flood control log... done.
    Updating ip address storage... done.
    Converting "log_online"... done.
    Updating poll column sizes... done.
    Updating attachments table... done.
    Updating boards and topics... done.
    Updating members... done.
    Recounting member pm totals (step 1)... done.
    Recounting member pm totals (step 2)... done.
Successful.
Converting avatar permissions...
    Converting server stored setting... done.
    Converting avatar upload setting... done.
Successful.
Adjusting uploadable avatars...
    Updating attachments... done.
    Updating settings... done.
Successful.
Updating thumbnails...
    Registering thumbs... done.
    Adding image dimensions... done.
Successful.
Updating ban system...
    Splitting ban table... done.
    Updating ban statistics... done.
Successful.
Updating permissions...
    Deleting some very old permissions... done.
    Renaming permissions... done.
    Upgrading "deny"-permissions... done.
    Upgrading post based group permissions... done.
    Upgrading by-board permissions... done.
    Removing all guest deny permissions... done.
    Removing guest admin permissions (if any)... done.
Successful.
Updating search cache...
    Creating search cache tables... done.
    Rebuilding fulltext index... done.
    Indexing topic subjects... done.
    Converting settings... done.
Successful.
Upgrading log system...
    Creating log table indexes (this might take some time!)... done.
    Preparing log table upgrade... done.
    Converting log tables (this might take some time!)... done.
    Cleaning up old log index's... done.
Successful.
Making SMF MySQL strict compatible...
    Preparing messages table for strict upgrade done.
    Adjusting text fields done.
done.
    Replacing messages index. done.
Successful.
Final clean up...
    Sorting the boards... done.
    Removing upgrade loop protection... done.
Successful.
   Updating version number... done.
Taking the forum out of maintenance mode... Successful.
Upgrade Complete
That wasn't so hard, was it? Now you are ready to use your installation of SMF. Hope you like it!
Delete this upgrade.php and its data files now. (doesn't work on all servers.)

If you had any problems with this upgrade, or have any problems using SMF, please don't hesitate to look to us for assistance.

Best of luck,
Simple Machines

Ok checked again and its constant.  Same error.
Fatal error: Cannot redeclare template_edit_news() (previously declared in /home/rally/public_html/forum/Sources/Load.php(1607) : eval()'d code:351) in /home/rally/public_html/forum/Sources/Load.php(1607) : eval()'d code on line 5



and upon checking file version they indicate some are out of date still.

Current Templates   1.0 RC1   1.0.4
Admin.template.php   1.0 RC1   1.0.4
BoardIndex.template.php   1.0 RC1   1.0.1
Calendar.template.php   1.0 RC1   1.0
Display.template.php   1.0 RC1   1.0.3
InstantMessage.template.php   1.0 RC1   1.0
Memberlist.template.php   1.0 RC1   1.0
MessageIndex.template.php   1.0 RC1   1.0
Poll.template.php   1.0 RC1   1.0.3
Post.template.php   1.0 RC1   1.0
Profile.template.php   1.0 RC1   1.0.4
Recent.template.php   1.0 RC1   1.0.1
Register.template.php   1.0 RC1   1.0
Stats.template.php   1.0 RC1   1.0
Themes.template.php   1.0 RC1   1.0
Who.template.php   1.0 RC1   1.0
index.template.php   1.0 RC1   1.0

http://www.simplemachines.org/download.php/smf_1-1-rc2_upgrade.zip

Download, upload, run upgrade.php and that'll bring everything up to date :)

edit: make sure to overwrite all files

when I enter features and options I get...


Unable to load the 'show_settings' template.

when I enter server settings I get

An Error Has Occurred!
Unable to load the 'show_settings' template.

when I enter posts and topics I get

An Error Has Occurred!
Unable to load the 'edit_post_settings' template.


I have quite a few messages in my error logs  :) 

ukr,

I think this is because you are using a custom theme which has those template files in it.

If you go to:
www.yourforum.com/index.php?theme=1

Does that work?

PS - The main thing is make sure your Themes/default directory has updated files in it as well!

Quote from: Grudge on January 02, 2006, 10:29:44 AM
ukr,

I think this is because you are using a custom theme which has those template files in it.

If you go to:
www.yourforum.com/index.php?theme=1

Does that work?

PS - The main thing is make sure your Themes/default directory has updated files in it as well!

Bingo.  nail on the head my main man  :)

I did not realise I had used a custom theme!  Sorry about that.  All I need to do now is try and remember where I got that theme from....or perhaps I might like a new theme now it seems to work.  Thanks for your time.

Would it be better for me to delete some of my long posts (in this forum)  with log files etc or might it be better to leave them to perhaps help others???

Up to you on deletion.

For custom themes you should ONLY put the templates that you have changed in the directory. You don't want files like Admin.template.php in your custom theme AND default unless you have changed them - it makes upgrading hard. SMF automatically falls back on default if it can't find a template. Most custom themes will only require style.css and index.template.php, with maybe BoardIndex, MessageIndex and Display.template.php if they are very customised.

Cheers,

Grudge

Even when upgrading from SMF 1.1 RC1 to SMF 1.1 RC2
is it still okay to use UPGRADE instead of update
are there any benefits?
whats the difference?

Quote from: Prasad007 on January 02, 2006, 10:43:28 AM
Even when upgrading from SMF 1.1 RC1 to SMF 1.1 RC2
is it still okay to use UPGRADE instead of update
are there any benefits?
whats the difference?

Yes its ok to do that.

Benifits, takes out any junk code thats left over, perhaps from mods or such.

Update is just the changed files from RC1 to RC2, upgrade is a whole new batch but without installtion instead it has upgrade.

Quote from: Trekkie101 on January 02, 2006, 10:46:25 AM

Quote from: Prasad007 on January 02, 2006, 10:43:28 AM
Even when upgrading from SMF 1.1 RC1 to SMF 1.1 RC2
is it still okay to use UPGRADE instead of update
are there any benefits?
whats the difference?

Yes its ok to do that.

Benifits, takes out any junk code thats left over, perhaps from mods or such.

Update is just the changed files from RC1 to RC2, upgrade is a whole new batch but without installtion instead it has upgrade.

okay thanks!
so its okay to UPGRADE when having mods installed?
they get removed rite?

Quote from: Grudge on January 02, 2006, 10:38:42 AM
Up to you on deletion.

For custom themes you should ONLY put the templates that you have changed in the directory. You don't want files like Admin.template.php in your custom theme AND default unless you have changed them - it makes upgrading hard. SMF automatically falls back on default if it can't find a template. Most custom themes will only require style.css and index.template.php, with maybe BoardIndex, MessageIndex and Display.template.php if they are very customised.

Cheers,

Grudge

Ok thanks for the heads up.

I have changed the theme but now get some wierd results  :(  http://www.8thrallycross.co.uk/forum/index.php in case you are wondering what I mean .  I now have to go to B and Q my wife insists  :)  But will be back later.

cheers again!

I had an interesting problem with my custom theme.

My theme only had style.css and index.template.php when I upgraded I had the same issue as the person above with it not finding show_settings in the admin menu.

I thought this was odd as I didn't have the admin.template in my custom theme. 

To solve it I created a new theme from default.  Then copied my custom theme style.css and index.template.php overtop of the new theme, and it all worked.

Odd.... very odd.

Quote from: Grudge on January 02, 2006, 10:00:27 AM
What version are you coming from, and what is the *exact* error message?

1.1 RC1, Outdated files

ukr,

Looks like the image files corrupted on the ftp upload. Firstly, verify they are not corrupted on your own PC - then upload them again in BINARY mode.

Purplemadness,

If the error message does NOT mention language files then it can only mean that either upgrade.php or index.php is out of date. Please verify that the top of index.php (In the forum directory) says:

* Software Version:           SMF 1.1 RC2


THEN check that upgrade.php says:

define('SMF_VERSION', '1.1 RC2');

at the top.

If it mentions language files then it is Themes/default/languages/index.english.php which is out of date.

If you have checked this, and you still get the error message then if you want you can throw caution to the wind by just removing the check. This involves deleting everything in upgrade.php from:

// Do they meet the install requirements?
if (!php_version_check())


down to:

<a href="', $_SERVER['PHP_SELF'], '?step=0">Click here to try again.</a>
</div>';

return false;
}
}


But that code is there for your own protection :)

Grudge

Quote from: Grudge on January 02, 2006, 11:25:24 AM
ukr,

Looks like the image files corrupted on the ftp upload. Firstly, verify they are not corrupted on your own PC - then upload them again in BINARY mode.

Purplemadness,

If the error message does NOT mention language files then it can only mean that either upgrade.php or index.php is out of date. Please verify that the top of index.php (In the forum directory) says:

Code Select Expand


* Software Version:           SMF 1.1 RC2


THEN check that upgrade.php says:

Code Select Expand


define('SMF_VERSION', '1.1 RC2');

at the top.

If it mentions language files then it is Themes/default/languages/index.english.php which is out of date.

If you have checked this, and you still get the error message then if you want you can throw caution to the wind by just removing the check. This involves deleting everything in upgrade.php from:

Code Select Expand


// Do they meet the install requirements?
if (!php_version_check())


down to:

Code Select Expand


<a href="', $_SERVER['PHP_SELF'], '?step=0">Click here to try again.</a>
</div>';

return false;
}
}


But that code is there for your own protection :)

Grudge

Sorry, my fault, forgot to download the dutch language files, thank you!

When I started going through my files, I found several that hadn't been over-written from the upgrade file and physically changed them, clearing the Old Files error.

Thanx So much för the Update! Love working with SMF!  :D

You really tought me a lot!!!

Peace and a great new Year  :D

Ok.... I attempted to run the uppgrade.php file but all I can get is a error page in IE or a blank white screen in FireFox. :(

http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=63627.0

upgraded  with no errors.just works great.now looking forward for theme modifications...

Upgraded from 1.0.5 to 1.1 RC2, upgrade went fine except when I try to make a post I get the following SQL error:

QuoteDatabase Error
You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ' 2, 1)' at line 3
File: /testforum/htdocs/Sources/MessageIndex.php
Line: 102

Tried replacing the messageindex.php file and still getting the same database error message. Any ideas? ???

Quote from: Grudge on January 02, 2006, 01:17:18 PM
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=63627.0

Was going to try the second solution posted in that thread but didn't see that parameter in the URL... so I tried the first solution & tried setting it to 5,3 & still same problem.... then I tried setting it higher to 18 & it finally worked; but I got this error:


Updating Settings.php... Successful.
Backing up old table data... Unsuccessful!

This query:
SHOW CREATE TABLE smf_collapsed_categories;
Caused the error:
Incorrect information in file: '.'


I then clicked try again but it failed this time around; URL displays as this.. http://www.**********.com/upgrade.php?step=1;backup=1;maint=1;substep=8

That sounds like you need to run a REPAIR on the mentiond table in phpMyAdmin.

Ted_G - search for MaxMsgId

Hmm.. well I got past that step by just checking what tables it didn't backup & did them manually.. but now, for the life of me I can not get past this step..

http://www.**********.com/upgrade.php?step=2;maint=1;substep=126;s=1;m=100500;prep_lt=6

I have tried & tried & tried & tried & tried....... :(

If you have a big board that will take a long time. If you want to send me a link and ftp I can take a look. What does that step name say it is? PS - put your time out back down to like 2 or 3, not 18

Quote from: Grudge on January 02, 2006, 03:31:45 PM
If you have a big board that will take a long time. If you want to send me a link and ftp I can take a look. What does that step name say it is? PS - put your time out back down to like 2 or 3, not 18

Ok.. I will PM you a link & a FTP login.

I wasn't seeing any strict_step until just now for some reason..... now it was showing step27 I believe; I changed it to 28 & it timed out again, then 29 & 30 also... each time it timed out.

not to be a pest.. but i'm curious on if the demo will be upgraded..

i'm just wishing to see core and how the ajax editing appears to work more then anything.. i cant upgrade my forum just yet as i have a modified version of helios running.. and i'd rather wait until bloc does his upgrade first

Just a simple question. Should I wait till I upgrade to 1.1 rather than 1.1 RC2 ?? Will it be easier upgrading from RC2 to 1.1. or will it be the same as upgrading from RC1 ??

This is because I have a custom theme that changes templates Post, Display, Index, MessageIndex, BoardIndex, Stats, Recent, Who, and Calendar...

plus I have Googlebot and Users Online today mod installed ...

Quote from: houston on January 02, 2006, 10:16:57 AM

Quote from: littleone on January 02, 2006, 12:59:38 AM
Questions.....

I am on a 1.0.5 Forum.  I have a bunch of mods and a custom theme(Which I am not to concerned with).  But my questions are:

1) What will I lose when I upgrade from 1.0.5 to the new 1.1 rc2
2) What kind of time frame should I be expecting to upgrade it?

(I have such things as the shop, arcade, chat, and a few of the "info center" (which I see are automatically in this package) as some of the mods.  How will the stats and tokens and overall mods be effected on my board?)

I would wait until your shop and arcade mods are compatible with 1.1rc2 or maybe wait until 1.1 final is out. As far as how long it takes for the upgrade to complete depends on the size of your tables. The more posts and members you have the longer it will take. There are a few people that have posted there upgade time and post sizes farther back in the thread. When you do decide to do the upgrade I would suggest that you uninstall all your mods and then re-install with mods that are compatible with what ever version you upgraded to.

Ok so if I have to remove my shop and arcade, (for ex in the shop) I will have to manually add the tokens and such back in correct?  Because uninstalling it will remove those stats too?  Also will my karma be effected?  Or will that be ok in the upgrade?

Hix ! When I upgrade it from 1.1RC1 to version 1.1RC2, everything so be very good but all of Vietnamese text in new post  in my forum display not right (all of old Vietnamese posts before still display very good)
Though I convert Lang files from ANSI to UTF-8 code (same as I done with version 1.1RC1 before) ?  :'(
Anyone can be help me ?

Just upgraded very easily!

Excellent latest version!

thanks everyone who worked so hard on it!

hey peeps
i just upgraded from 1.0.5 to 1.1RC2 only prob i have now is that when you go to make a post/reply there are purple borders around all the smileys and links

you can see it here www.argylecarclub.com/forum (http://www.argylecarclub.com/forum)
goto Forum info/help/new topic

i have only been involved with building sites and everything for about 4 months, so for me doing the upgrade took about an hour with the instructions, plus i've only been using FTP for about a month!!!
cheers

And what about the "Delete Selected" bug thats confirmed?
Is that fixed in RC2?

Quote from: tallpaul on January 03, 2006, 11:53:09 AM
hey peeps
i just upgraded from 1.0.5 to 1.1RC2 only prob i have now is that when you go to make a post/reply there are purple borders around all the smileys and links

you can see it here www.argylecarclub.com/forum (http://www.argylecarclub.com/forum)
goto Forum info/help/new topic

i have only been involved with building sites and everything for about 4 months, so for me doing the upgrade took about an hour with the instructions, plus i've only been using FTP for about a month!!!
cheers

it's cool, it's just the theme i'm using, helios.
Track user, Track IP and Show Permissions wont load either but it all works with the smf theme.

Please use the search.  This has been asked a couple of times about the image border.  Please add this to style.css for yout theme.


/* No image should have a border when linked */
a img{
border: 0;
}

-JayBachatero

Edit: Jay beat me.. :)

See: http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=57859.msg438258#msg438258

Just wanted to add two cents here.

That was the easiest upgrade I have ever done.  Good Job folks.

GRAM

You should push this release forward to the final now, it is mature enough and many needs the new release for their public websites.

There will always be bugs, but this seems to far to be damned stable and easy to install/upgrade. It works perfect for me and so far what I can see no mayor annoyances at all except that the mail feature could be much better to mail users in huge forums at once.

Believe it or not many bugs were found with this release.  So it wouldn't be a good thing to do that.  Final has to be a clean product with as little bugs/problems as possible.

-JayBachatero

Well as long you clearly show the admins who will control and install this product what the bugs are they will have an easy chance to decide if it safe on their specific system or if it is possible to make a quick fix. I dont know any product in the world with no serious bugs in any kind of aspect. Most Open Source projects are even terrible in their codebase, I do not think that this product in that level, this is a good product :)

So because other products are released with bugs we the SMF team should do the same, just for the sake of it?

Since it's a good product it should stay a good product and release a product that works instead oh having to patch it up everyother day because a bug was found.  It's true, it's hard to find a program without bugs.  But good programs should try their best to eliminate all the known issues before it hits Final stage or it wouldn't be Final.

-JayBachatero

Did I said that ?  Nope.

You have your free will, but if you wish to make this into a faster progress chain you really need to release a new version very soon which could be used as long it doesnt corrupts data or opens up a new hole. Other things is up to the server admin, this is a very small product which means that all decent administrators should be able to determine the riscs with this product. This product will not be 100% perfect before any release, the bugs will always come and go from one or other way. But let people know the riscs with the product in clear bold text before they install it if there is found critical bugs.

Maybe a script when you install it can make a check on this server to look for any critical bug information and show it to the installing person and make him/she to press a certain key to continue for accepting the bugs and maybe quick fix them if it's possible.

We have a fair few things to do before 1.1 Final, a few bugs/nuisnances to fix. That said, the plan is that the upgrade from RC2 to 1.1 Final will be an easy one.

Also, just because we don't release the final today or tomorrow doesn't mean development has stopped. In fact I'm working very hard developing the next version of SMF already. The fact is that we need to let an RC sit for 4-8 weeks to ensure all the bugs that can possibly caught are.

From releasing 1.0 we are only on 1.0.5 now - a year on - and haven't had any fixes for that for about 6 months I believe. That's the least I'd except from 1.1, I'd like 1.1 to not need any patches if at all possible.

Ok you make no sense at all.  What you're saying is like putting a big red sign at the end of a hill saying caution be aware that you might die in the process of falling.  Will you continue ahead?  Maybe you like taking risks but not everyone does.  That's why each release goes through a series of steps before it makes it anywhere.  I would not use SMF if this is how the product was to be developed with a bunch of bugs.

Also if you would like to continue this conversavion please start a new topic stating your points.  This is not the topic to debate this.

-JayBachatero

I have this on a clean install with Orstio's bridge 3.20, SMF 1.1 RC2, Joomla 1.0.5, when you click on a board

You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ' 1, 3)' at line 3
File: /home/httpd/vhosts/mydomain.co.uk/subdomains/www1/httpdocs/forum/Sources/MessageIndex.php
Line: 102

I have uploaded the file MessageIndex.php again incase it was corupted

Thanks

Dan

PHP Version 4.3.11

Please take a look at this topic for a solution.  MySQL Errors with boards in RC2 (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=63384.0)

-JayBachatero

With knowledge from communication- / computersystem security and juridicial procedures and human computer interaction behavior that makes a lot sense. But that is the reason to add a such feature I suggested, to atleast give people the chance to understand what can go wrong if there are any critical issues with the application. That have nothing to do if it is a Beta, Release Copy or Final or this specific release.

I agree, I will not continue this discussion with you or no one else in this thread :)

JayBachatero,

Fantastic,

Thanks alot, that solved it, i take it that is an error that will be sorted in 1.1 final, or will there be a patch for other to use?

Thanks

Dan

Bug that will be fixed for Final.  Well that is fixed. :P

-JayBachatero

Hi and thanks for this greate release,

I've a problem with the "quick edit" (Ajax editing : Edit a post without page reloads). It doesn't work when the spellchecker is on : I have this javascript error :

QuoteErreur : [JavaScript Error: "missing ; before statement" {file: "http://www.10qt.net/index.php/topic,8897.0.html" line: 1216 column: 101 source: "0802b1d64c79c852d\');" accesskey="s" />&nbsp;&nbsp;<input type="button" value="V&eacute;rification d'orthographe" onclick="spellCheck(\'quickModForm\', \'message\');" />&nbsp;&nbsp;<input type="submit" name="cancel" value="Annuler" onclick="return modify_"}]
Fichier source : http://www.10qt.net/index.php/topic,8897.0.html
Ligne : 1216, Colonne : 101
Code source :
0802b1d64c79c852d\');" accesskey="s" />&nbsp;&nbsp;<input type="button" value="V&eacute;rification d'orthographe" onclick="spellCheck(\'quickModForm\', \'message\');" />&nbsp;&nbsp;<input type="submit" name="cancel" value="Annuler" onclick="return modify_

Edit : the problem is in the translation :

If I put 3 single quotes, quick edit works :

$txt['spell_check'] = 'Vérification d\\\'orthographe';

but the button display "Verification d\'orthographe";

So the solution is to use numeric entities :

$txt['spell_check'] = 'Vérification d&#1.46;orthographe'; (without the dot)

Quote from: JayBachatero on January 03, 2006, 01:18:32 PM
Please use the search.  This has been asked a couple of times about the image border.  Please add this to style.css for yout theme.

Code Select Expand


/* No image should have a border when linked */
a img{
border: 0;
}

-JayBachatero

If there isn't a thread already made up, could the mods maybe create a problem/solution thread specifically to correct problems that 1.1 RC2 gave to many people (including myself)?  Make the thread so that people can't reply to it, which would keep it nice and tidy.  I think by doing that you wouldn't have to tell people to do a "search" for possible solutions.

I am SO NEW at this... and it was still SO EASY~!  :D

I did an upgrade to 1.1 RC2 in a mostly empty 1.0.5 test forum, and the directions were right on. Outstanding Job Dev Team~! Where is an applause icon...? LOL

Just a suggestion...
You might want to consider a 'click all below' box at the top of the right-hand column on .../index.php?action=smileys;sa=editsmileys page. It sure would help those of us with LOTS of smilies that need to be either hidden or put into the popup. Its easier to check them all, then uncheck the few that will be shown on the 'Post form'.

The design of the Default style is INCREDIBLE~! I'll be tweaking this to shades of cream, golden and brown, but the design is fresh and friendly. Thank you...Thank you all so much~!

SMF 1.1 RC2 ROCKS THE SOCKS OFF OF EVERYTHING ELSE~! 8)

where menu for "Most Online Today and Most Online"  :-\

Quote from: Grudge on January 03, 2006, 05:11:14 PMthe plan is that the upgrade from RC2 to 1.1 Final will be an easy one.

Good to hear.

WOOO HOO !!! Just Upgraded!! Awesome... first I upgraded on localhost to make sure it works on the Database, worked perfectly then on my website.

Excellent update (although I cannot get Ajax editing to show up even after applying the FIX mentioned in the other thread)

Apart from me losign the Static Page mod I've managed to get all the other MODS (Googlebot, Spoiler..) to work with RC2.

Thanks to the SMF Team. Great job, the upgrade was ever so smooth...

I couldn't get Ajax to show at first, then realised it was because I hadn't got the image in my custom theme, so of course couldn't see it  ;D

Well I did that, and I still don't even see it on my theme :(

If you install 1.0.5 then delete the 1 default topic and then convert to 1.1 RC2 it doesn't work.

Quote from: wing on January 04, 2006, 07:33:22 AM
If you install 1.0.5 then delete the 1 default topic and then convert to 1.1 RC2 it doesn't work.

Please search... that has been reported and the fix posted many times :)

You have an error in your SQL syntax. Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ' '')' at line 3
File: /home/chao9215/public_html/forums/Sources/ManageMembergroups.php
Line: 264

what should i do

plz help me

for reply email me : [email protected]

Search for MaxMsgId, and you should enable notifications for this topic if you want an emailed response ;)

just upgraded my test site and i'm planning to upgrade the live one with 1.1 final when it comes out. :)

so far so good on RC2!

Damn! Its new year present  ;D
Great Release, Nice Looking "Default Theme"

Upgrading from RC1 to RC2 step-by-step
=========================
- Un-installing all mods
- Change to Default Themes
- Do the Forum Maintenance (Optimize, Repaired etc)
-
- Upload all upgrade files
- Run the "upgrade.php"
- Running process with 27760 Posts in 1759 Topics by 6625 Members. Processing time... 15 minutes on share hosting server
- Done!
- Check everything, seems okay (for a moment)
- Re-installing Mods
- Setting the Themes back to:
  1. Simplicity by BLOC (http://forumbebas.com/index.php?theme=2) - Looks fine (for a moment)
  2. Blue Jacket by OWDY (http://forumbebas.com/index.php?theme=3) - Looks fine (for a moment)
  3. Finally, the original Default Nice Theme (http://forumbebas.com/index.php?theme=1) - Looks great

Amazing...  8)

Really glad you like it! When the team tells you its worth waiting for we are telling the truth.

;)

Quote from: Teknomancer on January 04, 2006, 06:54:16 AM
Well I did that, and I still don't even see it on my theme :(

Have you got quick moderation turned on in your profile?

Quote from: Grudge on January 02, 2006, 03:09:26 PM
That sounds like you need to run a REPAIR on the mentiond table in phpMyAdmin.

Ted_G - search for MaxMsgId

Went to phpMyAdmin -  Optimized all MySQL tables, Repaired all MySQL tables, re-ran upgrade still getting MessageIndex.php error for line 102.

"You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ' 2, 1)' at line 3
File: /testforum/htdocs/Sources/MessageIndex.php
Line: 102" :(

Bout to take the plunge with RC2 and need some tips on how to backup...

Quote from: Grudge on January 01, 2006, 10:18:51 AM
How did you make the template changes, did you modify the "default" theme, or create a new theme.

We highly recommend that you never modify the default theme, but assuming you have I recommend the following:
1) Before upgrading, from the admin panel create a new theme, called "site" or similar
2) Make this theme the default for your site.
3) Any templates that you have manually changed in the default folder, copy into the new theme folder

What this does, is mean that by default SMF uses the templates in your new theme, but if a template doesn't exist it takes it from the default folder.

Now, you've effectively got a backup of all your modified files in your "site" template.

Not following the above.  What exactly should I be doing? I can't find the option to create a new theme in admin panel :-[
(btw I'm not so sure I need to do this anyway, as I have not made any significant changes to my theme...)

QuoteUpload a copy of RC2 and upgrade. You'll probably find that all your changes are still there and working fine after the upgrade - it's only if you've modified lots of the core templates like Admin that you may have to update them. As always, take a backup of the whole lot before upgrade so you can go back if needed :)

What is the most complete way to backup, so that I can fall back to RC1 if needed?

Thanks

@Ted - Please take a look at MySQL Errors with boards in RC2 (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=63384.0)

-JayBachatero

Quote from: kai920 on January 04, 2006, 12:54:53 PM
Bout to take the plunge with RC2 and need some tips on how to backup...

Quote from: Grudge on January 01, 2006, 10:18:51 AM
How did you make the template changes, did you modify the "default" theme, or create a new theme.

We highly recommend that you never modify the default theme, but assuming you have I recommend the following:
1) Before upgrading, from the admin panel create a new theme, called "site" or similar
2) Make this theme the default for your site.
3) Any templates that you have manually changed in the default folder, copy into the new theme folder

What this does, is mean that by default SMF uses the templates in your new theme, but if a template doesn't exist it takes it from the default folder.

Now, you've effectively got a backup of all your modified files in your "site" template.

Not following the above.  What exactly should I be doing? I can't find the option to create a new theme in admin panel :-[
(btw I'm not so sure I need to do this anyway, as I have not made any significant changes to my theme...)

QuoteUpload a copy of RC2 and upgrade. You'll probably find that all your changes are still there and working fine after the upgrade - it's only if you've modified lots of the core templates like Admin that you may have to update them. As always, take a backup of the whole lot before upgrade so you can go back if needed :)

What is the most complete way to backup, so that I can fall back to RC1 if needed?

Thanks

Admin Panel
Forum Maintenance
Backup Database

(or, if like mine, the database is too big to backup tbrough the Admin panel, back it up in your site's Cpanel - where there should be a simlilar backup database option)

I also, always copy down to my computer, the whole forum directory before an upgrade.

sorry for the english below, i am from russia and i'm no good at it.

I've got some kinda bug on my board. it has appeared after i've upgraded my smf 1.0.5 straight to smf 1.1 rc2. every pic wich actually is a link ("?" buttons smilies, code buttons when replying) is surrounded by a strange bold blue frame. When it's clicked it becomes purple. It seems to me the problem is somewhere inside css style of the theme i'm using (though this stuff appered on two different themes) but i'm weak at css and a:hover and a:visited seem okay to me (different colours are defined there). So, what's the problem? My board link is in my signature.

Quote from: Depeche Mode on January 04, 2006, 02:38:35 PM
sorry for the english below, i am from russia and i'm no good at it.

I've got some kinda bug on my board. it has appeared after i've upgraded my smf 1.0.5 straight to smf 1.1 rc2. every pic wich actually is a link ("?" buttons smilies, code buttons when replying) is surrounded by a strange bold blue frame. When it's clicked it becomes purple. It seems to me the problem is somewhere inside css style of the theme i'm using (though this stuff appered on two different themes) but i'm weak at css and a:hover and a:visited seem okay to me (different colours are defined there). So, what's the problem? My board link is in my signature.

http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=57859.msg402823#msg402823

Quote from: JayBachatero on January 04, 2006, 01:29:12 PM
@Ted - Please take a look at MySQL Errors with boards in RC2 (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=63384.0)

-JayBachatero

Thanks Jay and Grudge you have helped me resolve the issue. As I said in the other post, I needed to add a ; at the end of the query in the phpmyadmin table. I appreciate the help. Cheers. ;)

I just found out about your forum yesterday and tried it out last night. I couldn't believe someone was actually here in the middle of the night to help me out.

I have several people that I maintain their sites forum for and they are all getting changed over to smf tonight. This forum beats all the others hands down.

@Teg - I will take a look at it and update it to make sure no one else runs into any problems.

@rnotakid - Glad to hear that you enjoy the software.  It seems that you are very persuasive that you getting them converted so fast :P  or the software just too good :P

-JayBachatero

In the release notes of RC2  it said that SMF now is easier to integrate ..i did the upgrade  and went unto the admin section to see if there are any settings that will allow better integration with other software but did not notice any. I have a photopost and SMF integration and I have had to deal with multiple loggin in and out from the gallery to the forum because ( as the Photopost folks said) , SMF does not specific cookie and session  variables that can be set so that one can log in through the gallery and use SMF tables. They had suggested to wait for future releases and I have now seen two without such a fix. The integration ( SMF + Photopost ) worked perfectly with 1.05 but something changed on the way here. Any official word on this?

Quote from: Random on January 04, 2006, 12:48:36 PM

Quote from: Teknomancer on January 04, 2006, 06:54:16 AM
Well I did that, and I still don't even see it on my theme :(

Have you got quick moderation turned on in your profile?

Yes, it is set to "Checkboxes"... 

Tek,

Can you post the code you are using in your custom theme into a new topic on the coding discussion board?

kisii, SMF now has better means of integrating, but they are not visible settings as they would require people with PHP knowledge to use. Search the boards here for 'integrate' to get a better idea of what this means, but it's basically what allows the likes of the new Joomla bridge to work without requiring code modifications.

Where is the "add polls" button?

It's on the bottom row of buttons only.

Talking of such Grudge, is it posible to get a list of the hooks you guys built in?

Would be rather handy to have a list of hooks one can use instead of having to find them ourselves.

Quote from: Grudge on January 05, 2006, 09:14:33 AM
It's on the bottom row of buttons only.

Not there.

And you have polls enabled and have the permission to add polls?

Polls are enabled and I am the admin

Quote from: Jay T on January 05, 2006, 10:00:59 AM

Quote from: Grudge on January 05, 2006, 09:14:33 AM
It's on the bottom row of buttons only.

Not there.

I have the post new poll button both above and below the topic list (MessageIndex) with all three themes included in the installation (NDT, Babylon and Classic YaBB SE theme).

What theme are you experiencing this with, and if this is an upgrade from a previous version, have you checked that all your files are converted and up to date?

I have the "New Poll" button. What I want is the "Add Poll" button. Which will let me add a poll to an existing topic.

Quote from: Jay T on January 05, 2006, 07:18:44 PM
I have the "New Poll" button. What I want is the "Add Poll" button. Which will let me add a poll to an existing topic.

Damn, sorry for the misunderstanding. It's indeed missing from NDT.

It seems like the if and elseif statements have been reversed.

Search in Display.template.php:


// As before, build the custom button right.
if ($context['user']['is_logged'] && $settings['show_mark_read'])
$normal_buttons['custom'] = array('text' => 'mark_unread', 'image' => 'markunread.gif', 'lang' => true, 'url' => $scripturl . '?action=markasread;sa=topic;t=' . $context['mark_unread_time'] . ';topic=' . $context['current_topic'] . '.' . $context['start'] . ';sesc=' . $context['session_id']);
elseif ($context['can_add_poll'])
$normal_buttons['custom'] = array('text' => 'add_poll', 'image' => 'add_poll.gif', 'lang' => true, 'url' => $scripturl . '?action=editpoll;add;topic=' . $context['current_topic'] . '.' . $context['start'] . ';sesc=' . $context['session_id']);


Replace with:


// As before, build the custom button right.
if ($context['can_add_poll'])
$normal_buttons['custom'] = array('text' => 'add_poll', 'image' => 'add_poll.gif', 'lang' => true, 'url' => $scripturl . '?action=editpoll;add;topic=' . $context['current_topic'] . '.' . $context['start'] . ';sesc=' . $context['session_id']);
elseif ($context['user']['is_logged'] && $settings['show_mark_read'])
$normal_buttons['custom'] = array('text' => 'mark_unread', 'image' => 'markunread.gif', 'lang' => true, 'url' => $scripturl . '?action=markasread;sa=topic;t=' . $context['mark_unread_time'] . ';topic=' . $context['current_topic'] . '.' . $context['start'] . ';sesc=' . $context['session_id']);


This worked for me, but I'm not a coder though, so you might want to wait for someone with more knowledge to verify this modification.


Edit to add:
The Classic YaBB SE Theme has "Add Poll" both at the top and bottom, so that should probably be looked into as well.

Quote from: Grudge on January 05, 2006, 05:18:03 AM
Tek,

Can you post the code you are using in your custom theme into a new topic on the coding discussion board?

Done. Here's the link AJAX and Custom Theme (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=64269.msg443977#msg443977)

Quote from: Sverre on January 05, 2006, 08:31:22 PM

Quote from: Jay T on January 05, 2006, 07:18:44 PM
I have the "New Poll" button. What I want is the "Add Poll" button. Which will let me add a poll to an existing topic.

Damn, sorry for the misunderstanding. It's indeed missing from NDT.

It seems like the if and elseif statements have been reversed.

Search in Display.template.php:

Code Select Expand


// As before, build the custom button right.
if ($context['user']['is_logged'] && $settings['show_mark_read'])
$normal_buttons['custom'] = array('text' => 'mark_unread', 'image' => 'markunread.gif', 'lang' => true, 'url' => $scripturl . '?action=markasread;sa=topic;t=' . $context['mark_unread_time'] . ';topic=' . $context['current_topic'] . '.' . $context['start'] . ';sesc=' . $context['session_id']);
elseif ($context['can_add_poll'])
$normal_buttons['custom'] = array('text' => 'add_poll', 'image' => 'add_poll.gif', 'lang' => true, 'url' => $scripturl . '?action=editpoll;add;topic=' . $context['current_topic'] . '.' . $context['start'] . ';sesc=' . $context['session_id']);


Replace with:

Code Select Expand


// As before, build the custom button right.
if ($context['can_add_poll'])
$normal_buttons['custom'] = array('text' => 'add_poll', 'image' => 'add_poll.gif', 'lang' => true, 'url' => $scripturl . '?action=editpoll;add;topic=' . $context['current_topic'] . '.' . $context['start'] . ';sesc=' . $context['session_id']);
elseif ($context['user']['is_logged'] && $settings['show_mark_read'])
$normal_buttons['custom'] = array('text' => 'mark_unread', 'image' => 'markunread.gif', 'lang' => true, 'url' => $scripturl . '?action=markasread;sa=topic;t=' . $context['mark_unread_time'] . ';topic=' . $context['current_topic'] . '.' . $context['start'] . ';sesc=' . $context['session_id']);


This worked for me, but I'm not a coder though, so you might want to wait for someone with more knowledge to verify this modification.


Edit to add:
The Classic YaBB SE Theme has "Add Poll" both at the top and bottom, so that should probably be looked into as well.

That however will remove the mark unread button. I've brought this up to the design team and we'll look at the best way to solve it for 1.1 Final. Thanks for the heads up! :)

Your solution does provide for the fact that you have the add poll at bottom and mark unread at top which at least gives you both options.

Quote from: Meriadoc on January 06, 2006, 06:19:35 AM
That however will remove the mark unread button. I've brought this up to the design team and we'll look at the best way to solve it for 1.1 Final. Thanks for the heads up! :)

Your solution does provide for the fact that you have the add poll at bottom and mark unread at top which at least gives you both options.

No, the mark unread button is in the top row of buttons, just as it is in the Babylon Theme. The modification I posted only affects the row below the messages.

Quote from: Grudge on December 31, 2005, 10:27:58 AM
Could I also ask everyone who may experience any problems with this update to post about it in the support boards, and not in this topic. This will ensure we do not miss any support requests!

Quote from: JayBachatero on December 31, 2005, 09:14:45 PM
It would be nice if users with large forums report how long it took to do the log table changes.

-JayBachatero

Your wish is my command, Jay!

I made a straight copy of my database into a test forum database, copied over the SMF 1.0.5 scripts into a separate directory, grabbed the tar.gz, tar -xvzf'd it, made sure Settings.php was connecting to the test db, and fired off upgrade.php.  After a couple steps, I went over to my main forum install and put it into Maintenance Mode [which probably made me unpopular; my bored office-worker users on Friday afternoon are probably standing outside my office with pitchforks ;)], then let the upgrade utility keep running.

My 683,786 posts by 882 users in 34,121 topics [334MB of SQL storage space] took 90 minutes on a dual-proc Linux box.  [If you want exact specs on the box, I'll be happy to provide 'em.]  Doesn't appear to have gone totally smoothly, either, but I'm running out of time this afternoon to muck with it.

GFM

Where can I go to find step by step instructions on what I need to do to upgrade.  I am on a 1.0.5 forum now.  I read somewhere about putting forum into maintance mode, then backing everything up, then removing my mods, and finally putting the forum back to its default theme.  I have done all but put it back to the default theme and remove my mods so far.  Where do I put the upgrade file?  what else do I need to do and is what i stated so far correct?

http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?board=10.0
3th sticky.

So I do have to remove everyone of my mods?
And set it to default?

Then I just run the upgrade.php from my forum directory?  Simple as that? or am I missing something somewhere?

Do i need to remove my mods...including:

Shop
Arcade
Chat
report pm to mod
visual warning
simple imageshack
show multiple badges
enhanced quick reply
ect, ect.???????

Before I upload my files and run upgrade.php?

Quote from: littleone on January 07, 2006, 04:10:19 PM
Do i need to remove my mods...including:

Shop
Arcade
Chat
report pm to mod
visual warning
simple imageshack
show multiple badges
enhanced quick reply
ect, ect.???????

Before I upload my files and run upgrade.php?

That would be safest, yes.

Quote from: littleone on January 07, 2006, 04:10:19 PM
Do i need to remove my mods...including:

Shop
Arcade
Chat
report pm to mod
visual warning
simple imageshack
show multiple badges
enhanced quick reply
ect, ect.???????

Before I upload my files and run upgrade.php?

My chat mod or another chat mod?  If you're referring to mine, you can leave it installed even after the upgrade.

Removing All Mod, is safest way before Upgrading to RC2. This is useful for future Mod Installing. For example, if any new mod, and you wanna install it. As we already know, there are many mods outside. And sometimes between one to other mods use "same" search string while replacing code. And I believe, all "newbie" on SMF do click & try all mods :) And I believe, some mod (un-installing), leave the string/character. Just like Windows, registry file is bigger than before.
Its my personal experience..

Well, some expert person doesnt need un-installing this mod. They're already know and dont want to add any mod again.

nice !!
ROCK ON !

i am using smf 1.0.5 and joomla bridge 3.19 a stable , i want to upgrade to SMF_1_RC2 , will it affect my bridge with joomla ?
Also which file i should use ?
this one ...
http://www.simplemachines.org/download.php/smf_1-1-rc2_install.zip

or

this one

http://www.simplemachines.org/download.php/smf_1-1-rc2_update.zip

You want the updatepackage, not the installpackage. There is a new bridge for RC2, check it out here:
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=63182.0

I found another bug.

When you try to ban a user by e-mail or hostname, those triggers will not add when checked. You have to go back and modify the ban via Add Trigger to get it working.

Heh, go figure, I just manually installed RC 1 a week ago :(

Just after updating smf froums from version smf1.0.5 to smf1.1 RC2 successfully , when i logged in as admin , i was presented with a lot of unread messages ! Those were the messages which i had already read . While updating i did'nt get any error message and everything worked smoothly !
so ? did i make anything wrong ?

and even members of my forums complained that they are seeing older messages as NEW ONES i.e., "still unread" .  Although it seems not a severe problem but one has to sort the *real* unread messages from read messages. And if messages are huge than it will take a lot of time.
any suggestions to correct the problem ? ???

Do this.
1. Admin > Forum Maintenance > Find and repair any errors.

2. Admin > Forum Maintenance > Recount all forum totals and statistics.

-JayBachatero

Quote from: JayBachatero on January 09, 2006, 03:15:57 PM
Do this.
1. Admin > Forum Maintenance > Find and repair any errors.

2. Admin > Forum Maintenance > Recount all forum totals and statistics.

-JayBachatero

did this , 1. Admin > Forum Maintenance > Find and repair any errors.
got this ,

QuoteListing of forum errors

The following errors are fouling up your forum:
Topic #77 contains no (actual) messages.
Topic #168 contains no (actual) messages.
Topic #77 has the first message ID 137, which is incorrect.
Topic #77 has the last message ID 152, which is incorrect.
Topic #77 has the wrong number of replies, 0.
Topic #166 has the first message ID 0, which is incorrect.
Topic #166 has the last message ID 0, which is incorrect.
Topic #167 has the first message ID 0, which is incorrect.
Topic #167 has the last message ID 0, which is incorrect.
Topic #168 has the first message ID 0, which is incorrect.
Topic #168 has the last message ID 0, which is incorrect.
Topic #168 has the wrong number of replies, 0.
Member #1 has marked one or more topics as read, but does not exist.
Member #1 has marked one or more boards as read, but does not exist.

Would you like to fix these errors?
Yes - No

selected YES

got this ,

QuoteAll errors fixed! Please check on any categories, boards, or topics created to decide what to do with them.

did the second step , 2. Admin > Forum Maintenance > Recount all forum totals and statistics.

got this message ,

QuoteMaintainance Complete

logged out of the admin panel , logged back in again , the problem still persists !!!  :(

Any further suggestions ?

If you go to your PM center does it mark them read or they stay the same?

-JayBachatero

Forgive mine ignorance !

what is "PM center" ?

Messages link ;)

i think i could'nt explain my problem well, let me rephrase it.

Actually the problem is not with the PM ( Personal Messages ) , The problem is with "Unread Threads" i.e., the posts made by members , they are old and should not show themselves as "new posts".

Quote from: Owdy on January 06, 2006, 12:24:08 PM

Quote from: Grudge on December 31, 2005, 10:27:58 AM
Could I also ask everyone who may experience any problems with this update to post about it in the support boards, and not in this topic. This will ensure we do not miss any support requests!

Sorry guys , my apologies , i'll take this problem to support board now.

I just checked out the new release (upgrading from 1.0.5) and WOW! Nicely Done!

I just upgraded mine, added the Joomla Integration, No issues whatso ever....now onto the CSS integration!

Zeus

Great new release. The default tabbed theme is awesome.
Great job. Can't wait for the final release.

when are ther a danish language files relese to smf_1-1-rc2 ?

regards
Dkdyr

So, is there any big bugs in RC2? How long will it take you to fix it and when will final release be available ?

I hope I'm not asking too much, any time frame would help... thanks!  :D

Great thanks

I'm also wondering if the other languages are going to be updated to RC2 or if it is OK to use the RC! versions?  The English, Dutch, German, finnish, & spanish files have been done since just about RC2 release date?

Any reason other than workload?

Thanks

Dan

I am sure all the language files will be updated given time. This latest release has kept everyone busy!  ;)

The new theme is awesome! Thanks for RC2!

1.  You are not supposed to edit the default theme you need to make a copy of it and edit that one.

2.  It's there but the image is missing.  You will need to copy /images/icons/modify_inline.gif to the Classic theme folder.

-JayBachatero

Thanks for your answer. Haha, I just converted my forum from classic theme to the new default theme to gain that functionality. No biggie, I like the new theme ;)

The default theme is great!

Now.. i can't find how to add a poll to the topic??? 8)

Quote from: Uzbek on January 15, 2006, 02:45:59 PM
Now.. i can't find how to add a poll to the topic??? 8)

http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=62731.msg445297#msg445297

Or you can wait for the next release where it will be fixed.

Quote from: Sverre on January 15, 2006, 04:32:54 PM

Quote from: Uzbek on January 15, 2006, 02:45:59 PM
Now.. i can't find how to add a poll to the topic??? 8)

http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=62731.msg445297#msg445297
Or you can wait for the next release where it will be fixed.

THanks, i applied the patch. Works perfect!

Hi I uploaded all the files in the update file (updating from 1.05) and now it says

The upgrader found some old or outdated files.

Please make certain you uploaded the new versions of all the files included in the package.

Could this be because I have Turkish language files RC1?

But now since there are no Turkish RC2 files available, I cannot even upgrade the forum in English? What should I do?

Make sure that you overwrite index.php also.

-JayBachatero

Quote from: haktanir2 on January 16, 2006, 02:11:22 PM
Hi I uploaded all the files in the update file (updating from 1.05) and now it says

The upgrader found some old or outdated files.

Please make certain you uploaded the new versions of all the files included in the package.

Could this be because I have Turkish language files RC1?

But now since there are no Turkish RC2 files available, I cannot even upgrade the forum in English? What should I do?

RC1 files wont work. Set your default language to english and try again.

If I upgrade from RC1 to RC2, will it connect to the database LESS than RC1? Right now, I can't use RC1 and can't downgrade. I need to make sure that this upgrade will ensure that the database connections are down to a decent number. 100+ connections are too much.  :(

Yeah this new Default SMF theme is way nice and it fits my color scheme for 3 sites perfectly...............

Are themes and language files from RC2 expected to be compatible with the final version?

wow, I was going to request inline topic editing, but you already have it. Awesome!

Can't wait for the final release!

I used the language files from RC1 edition  and at the top my Message link didn't appear
the other links appears with no problem
when i check the code source it shows me that the link exist but it doesn't have a name it is blank so please tell how can i fix the problem  :(
in English language there isn't any problem i use Arabic language so please help me  :'(

Quote from: Grudge on December 31, 2005, 12:19:14 PM
You need to have quick moderation enabled from your profile to use it. You just double click in the box surrounding the subject of the post you wish to edit. Just don't click the subject itself.

I can't seem to get this to work. Quick moderation is enabled. I am in a board with list of topics... I double click the box surrounding the topic title but nothing happens!

Quote from: chornox on January 19, 2006, 10:20:52 PM
I used the language files from RC1 edition  and at the top my Message link didn't appear
the other links appears with no problem
when i check the code source it shows me that the link exist but it doesn't have a name it is blank so please tell how can i fix the problem  :(
in English language there isn't any problem i use Arabic language so please help me  :'(

And by the way the new upgrade it's wonderful

Open index.arabic.php file and add

$txt['pm_short'] = 'My Messages';
$txt['hello_member_ndt'] = 'Hello';

:)

thanks man  8)

I don't install forum
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I don't know Y ??????????

I have a problem with the graphics loading on pages here. It seems that a couple random graphics are not loaded each time. The failed graphics are different each time I reload the page and appear to be random, sometimes a missing reply button or avatar or status icon, etc...

Is anyone else having this issue?

Is it just me, RC2 or just this site?

Quote from: Owdy on January 09, 2006, 11:13:06 PM

Quote from: Owdy on January 06, 2006, 12:24:08 PM

Quote from: Grudge on December 31, 2005, 10:27:58 AM
Could I also ask everyone who may experience any problems with this update to post about it in the support boards, and not in this topic. This will ensure we do not miss any support requests!

Owdy, this doesn't help! Most of them don't read the first post or the whole page. Another possibility: ** edited **

Owdy, if you are referring to my post I must apologize. I do not have an issue with RC2 though to post in the support board as I do not use it yet. I only mentioned it here as this is the topic that I noticed the issue in. If I do install RC2 and have an issue such as this I will most definitely post it in the support boards!

Thanks

No i am refering all support request in this topic. They drown in this topic. Please use support area :)

smf rocks. way better than phpbb. almost as good even as vBulletin. you guys rock.

Almost?  :P  What else does SMF need to be up there? :P

Hmmmm.... IMHO SMF has surpassed vBulletin. And did some time back.  ;)

Quote from: Skipdawg on January 25, 2006, 11:04:52 PM
Hmmmm.... IMHO SMF has surpassed vBulletin. And did some time back.  ;)

It definately Kicks phpBB's perverbial butt too!

I don't know if it was covered here (yes I'm guilty for not reading all the pages) but I was having a hard time getting my old themes to work with the lastest version (even after following all the code change instructions.  Finally, I scrapped the updated version, saved my database, and put a clean install of the new version in.  Then I took and created new themes with my old theme names, copied the images and style sheets of my old themes over, made some minor adjustments for the banner and added the Navbar settings to the style sheets of my old themes.  Worked perfectly.  I'm in the middle of changing colors on the navbar and then my themes are complete.  Overall, the upgrade went pretty smooth once I stopped screwing around with trying to make a square peg fit into a round hole.

This software is awesome, it definately gives a nice clean professional look as compared to the cartoonish look you get from phpBB.  Thanks for the hard work guys.  (https://www.simplemachines.org/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusparatroopers.org%2Fnewboard%2FSmileys%2Fdefault%2Fthumb%255B1%255D.gif&hash=19ccb11c2ebb3e14263f659977e773b4acb6f737)

agreed! thank you guys for the hard work - I'll be upgrading specifically for the AJAX

A member of my forum found a bug in the AJAX reply editing.

Steps to reproduce:

- Open any topic you have replied in
- Click the quick edit button (https://www.simplemachines.org/community/Themes/simple/images/icons/modify_inline.gif)
- Click save
- Now, check the link to that reply, it should be incorrect with something like %msg_id% on the end

Refreshing the topic fixes this.

I just tested this on the post above yours and it displayed normally.
If you are having problem with this please open up a new topic for this.

RC2 Rocks!

Any idea as to when the final version will be released - I have a couple live sites i would like to upgrade to 1.1??

Wait a few weeks... ;)

Quote from: JayBachatero on January 25, 2006, 09:27:25 PM
Almost?  :P  What else does SMF need to be up there? :P

The only thing that comes to mind that SMF is lacking, is multiple database support (such as postgresql, etc) unless I'm mistaken.

Postgre, MS, Oracle... having support for all of them would be extremely useful and would make the product extremely flexible.

Is SMF 1.1 RC2 compatable with Joomla???

I hope!!

dave

Yes, it is. You have to use bridge to get SMF<=>J! user registration working. Everything you need is here.

how do you  upload the update as it's not compatiable with the package manage TY

soulmanpete download the upgrade package from the download page and upload.  Also ALL of you mods will be uninstalled when you upgrade.

Quote from: Annihilator on February 03, 2006, 12:18:09 PM
Postgre, MS, Oracle... having support for all of them would be extremely useful and would make the product extremely flexible.

Having a database abstraction layer for multiple database systems slows down SMF.  ;)

What classes have you used? I am brand new (4 months) with php and databases and have tried PEAR:DB and a couple of others. I didn't realize they slowed things down much, but I am glad to know this if it is the case, and it sure appears to be.

In any event, I am not sure PEAR:DB is staying relevant in current form.

Quote from: huwnet on February 06, 2006, 12:16:31 PM
Having a database abstraction layer for multiple database systems slows down SMF.  ;)

Don't care - I want it. MySQL isn't some God-given universal DB wand that I wanna be forced to use just for this product. If someone standardizes on Oracle and paid good money for it, then I'm sure as hell he wants to use it to store his forum data as well and not have to resort to an extra product and all the hassles managing it brings.

Quote from: Annihilator on February 08, 2006, 04:19:40 AM

Quote from: huwnet on February 06, 2006, 12:16:31 PM
Having a database abstraction layer for multiple database systems slows down SMF.  ;)

Don't care - I want it. MySQL isn't some God-given universal DB wand that I wanna be forced to use just for this product. If someone standardizes on Oracle and paid good money for it, then I'm sure as hell he wants to use it to store his forum data as well and not have to resort to an extra product and all the hassles managing it brings.

Oracle is a good database but is really unnecessary just for a forum script.

Quote from: huwnet on February 08, 2006, 11:59:57 AM

Quote from: Annihilator on February 08, 2006, 04:19:40 AM

Quote from: huwnet on February 06, 2006, 12:16:31 PM
Having a database abstraction layer for multiple database systems slows down SMF.  ;)

Don't care - I want it. MySQL isn't some God-given universal DB wand that I wanna be forced to use just for this product. If someone standardizes on Oracle and paid good money for it, then I'm sure as hell he wants to use it to store his forum data as well and not have to resort to an extra product and all the hassles managing it brings.

Oracle is a good database but is really unnecessary just for a forum script.

I'm not sure where you got the idea that the person only used it for a forum, but ok. He simply stated that to host something on oracle and then the forum on mysql is just stupidity.

Multiple database support should be added, since the database relies on queries I'm sure it wouldn't hurt to add "different" downloads for different databases using different queries etc, how would that slow it down? I agree that the addition of code in 'current' files may increase load-times, but giving a d/l per database wouldn't really do that, unless coded in an unoptimized format.

Even if the code is added to the current files, it wouldn't be that much a speed decrease, and would up the user base of Simple Machines Forum, so I don't see what your "speed" argument is based on... Has it been tried? Easy answer, no, so how could you know how it will effect speed?

Note: I've checked out forums for "multiple" databases, and those forums worked fast.

I suppose that if SMF stays MySQL only, it allows them to use MySQL-specific functions, etc.

MySQL is the most pouplar database software among PHP users. The only forum system I know of that supports other database software in addition to MySQL is phpBB, and every phpBB user I know of is running it with a MySQL database. MySQL also has support for things that other database software doesn't and is much easier to work with. A database abstraction layer would only complicate things and would require re-writing SMF from the ground up.

Quote from: Oldiesmann on February 11, 2006, 03:06:29 PMMySQL also has support for things that other database software doesn't and is much easier to work with.

But other database software packages can have, in many places, support for things that MySQL doesn't.

The concept of code preprocessing is an interesting idea to me.

Do we have any date for SMF 1.1 final?

Quote from: Daniel D. on February 02, 2006, 01:20:01 PM
Wait a few weeks... ;)

Quote from: JayBachatero on February 05, 2006, 04:48:52 PM
soulmanpete download the upgrade package from the download page and upload.  Also ALL of you mods will be uninstalled when you upgrade.

Thanks but uploaded through my file manager to packages folder extracted but the upgrade didn't work  :(

To upgrade you have to upload to your forum folder not package manager.  The package manager is only used for small updates like 1.0.5 to 1.0.6.

Quote from: JayBachatero on January 31, 2006, 03:09:52 PM
I just tested this on the post above yours and it displayed normally.
If you are having problem with this please open up a new topic for this.

Jay, the error is only produced on your OWN posts. i just reproduced it on my test board.

Ah I see what you mean.  I will report this as a bug.  Thanks for pointing this out :)
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=62731.msg470834#msg%msg_id%

hello i have a quaestion
in previous version of smf (1.0.5) you could see the attachmet files even if you are not registered
now in smf 1.1RC2 i could not see an attachmet if i am not registered how can i make it that the attachmet is seen but you could not download it only after you are registered please help me  :'(

Quote from: chornox on February 18, 2006, 11:48:39 AM
hello i have a quaestion
in previous version of smf (1.0.5) you could see the attachmet files even if you are not registered
now in smf 1.1RC2 i could not see an attachmet if i am not registered how can i make it that the attachmet is seen but you could not download it only after you are registered please help me  :'(

i'd say this is a permission related issue

???
no i don't think so
because in permission you only give the permission to the member to see and download the attachmet and i want for non users to see the attachmet and if they tried to download then they should register ;
this way was in previous version of smf (1.0.5)
and now to see the attachmet you have to let the non users to download it so please help me  :-[

When I click the two W3C boxes to the right of "Lewis Media" at the bottom of the copyright area I get error reports with SMF 1.1   :(

Quote from: w0kie on February 18, 2006, 10:08:15 PM
When I click the two W3C boxes to the right of "Lewis Media" at the bottom of the copyright area I get error reports with SMF 1.1   :(

What errors are reported?

Target: http://princesschatter.com/forum/index.php?board=1.0
Please, validate your XML document first!

Line 88

Column 10

The element type "span" must be terminated by the matching end-tag "</span>".

and

Result: Failed validation, 2 errors 
Address: 
Encoding: iso-8859-1  (detect automatically) utf-8 (Unicode, worldwide) utf-16 (Unicode, worldwide) iso-8859-1 (Western Europe) iso-8859-2 (Central Europe) iso-8859-3 (Southern Europe) iso-8859-4 (Baltic Rim) iso-8859-5 (Cyrillic) iso-8859-6-i (Arabic) iso-8859-7 (Greek) iso-8859-8-i (Hebrew) iso-8859-9 (Turkish) iso-8859-10 (Latin 6) iso-8859-13 (Latin 7) iso-8859-14 (Celtic) iso-8859-15 (Latin 9) us-ascii (basic English) euc-jp (Japanese, Unix) shift_jis (Japanese, Win/Mac) iso-2022-jp (Japanese, email) euc-kr (Korean) gb2312 (Chinese, simplified) gb18030 (Chinese, simplified) big5 (Chinese, traditional) tis-620 (Thai) koi8-r (Russian) koi8-u (Ukrainian) macintosh (MacRoman) windows-1250 (Central Europe) windows-1251 (Cyrillic) windows-1252 (Western Europe) windows-1253 (Greek) windows-1254 (Turkish) windows-1255 (Hebrew) windows-1256 (Arabic) windows-1257 (Baltic Rim) 
Doctype: XHTML 1.0 Transitional  (detect automatically) XHTML 1.1 XHTML Basic 1.0 XHTML 1.0 Strict XHTML 1.0 Transitional XHTML 1.0 Frameset ISO/IEC 15445:2000 ("ISO HTML") HTML 4.01 Strict HTML 4.01 Transitional HTML 4.01 Frameset HTML 3.2 HTML 2.0 MathML 2.0 XHTML 1.1 plus MathML 2.0 
Root Namespace: http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml

Root Namespace: http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml

Basically the second failed test is "This page is not Valid XHTML 1.0 Transitional!"

BTW: You get the same XHTML error message by clicking XHTML at the bottom of the screen you are looking at right now but you get a pass when you click the CSS at the bottom of this screen.  CSS test is the one where I get the line 88, column 10 error.

I am getting the same issues. I noticed it when trying to trouble shoot a problem with the new default theme and cell alignment.

Hello, i run SMF1.1RC2

When editing a theme's css (not my default theme, only a board-specific theme) and save it, the default theme changes to what i was editing. But a log-on/log-off fixes it. any clues why?

Other problems:

In www.opadoi.gr, it seems not to accept my password as admin, but i do log in with it. when i log in i can go to the admin panel, but if i wait a while it asks for my password which it does not accept.

in www.realitytv.gr my users can login, but they have to enter their password, it returns them an invalid password screen which then accepts the correct password.. is there different code involved in password verification for the different login points?

when is the due date for the next release of smf?..anybody know

There is none, just wait until the next big announcement :)

is this the right place to post my bug reports? because i dont see anyone responding to them...

Quote from: al3x on February 23, 2006, 08:50:10 AM
is this the right place to post my bug reports? because i dont see anyone responding to them...

Try http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?board=9.0

al3x, please post bugs in the SMF Coding Discussion (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?board=60.0) board. This announcement topic is not the proper place for bug reporting or support requests.

thanks guys.

it seems nobody is noticing in the SMF Coding Discussion... any other ideas?

Chances are they noticed your post. Just wait and see if the bug's fixed in the next release.

Aha my first day of seeing this forum software  :P and it looks great! :)

How do we get the v 1.1 rc2 admin says it my current v is 1.0.6

Goto the download section here and download the 1.1rc2 update package if you are running SMF 1.06.

http://www.simplemachines.org/download/

I know it's been asked, but when is 1.1 Gold happening? Should I wait for it or upgrade from 1.0.6 now? If Gold is coming out in the next couple of weeks...

There is no ETA for it yet.  We are not sure when it's comming out.  It can be days, weeks or even months.  You will jus thave ot wait for it to drop.  Just stick around :)

I always love the latest and greatest, but which one do I use if this is my first installation of any forum software on a new site. I see 1.1RC2 was released just a few days before 1.06 so there goes my theory that 12 comes after 06. Since I installed 1.1RC2 am I going to have trouble upgrading when the time comes, or does it really matter?
I read where someone asked if he had to be a charter member to use 1.1 but didn't see a reply to it.
The other admins think we should have used 1.06  ???

jsmith, 1.0.6 is actually different form 1.1 RC2

1.0.6 is a stable release in the 1.0 line while 1.1 RC2 is the second release canadate for the 1.1 line. While we incurage you to use the stable release 1.0.6 a lot of our users find 1.1 RC2 pretty stable and choose to use that instead as it is newer and has more features.

So I hope that cleared it up a little, and the choice is up to you. Also, 1.1 RC2 is available for both public users and our Charter Members.

Thank you sir that does help. We haven't seen any problems with it yet but then we're still scratching our heads over a few things too  :)

I installed RC2 about a month ago. I was using snitz
I haven't had any problems with it that I didn't cause myself. for the most part.
I'm currently running it on an 800mhz machine with 512mb of ram
It's also stuck about 15 levels deep in what used to be my site and running on a dynamic dns redirect to port 8080.

But other than being slow as moleasses because of the server it's on and the way it's configured, I'm impressed.

I'm getting a new server today *giggle* (I'm so computer geek excited it's not even funny) and a T-1 next week, so I would imagine that things will be a little better.

I'll keep you informed of my latest and greatest ways of breaking you awesome stuff.

Thanks guys

When i try to upgrade my SMF 1.0.5 to SMF 1.1 RC2 following error occurs:

---------------------------------------
SMF Upgrade Utility


Upgrading...
Upgrading log system...
Unsuccessful!
This query:

    UPDATE smf_log_boards
    SET ID_MSG = 0
    WHERE logTime >=;

Caused the error:

    You have an error in your SQL syntax. Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '' at line 3

----------------------------------------------

Can anyone tell me what may be the reason and what do I do now?

Thanks,
Super.

Can't wait for 1.1
Just wanted to know when SMF 1.1 is likely to be released? I thought it would be this month.

Be patient. Do you want something that is full of bugs because it has to be released to a deadline, or do you want the bugs fixed and tested properly? It will be soon.

Quote from: eldacar on March 19, 2006, 01:18:34 AM
Be patient. Do you want something that is full of bugs because it has to be released to a deadline, or do you want the bugs fixed and tested properly? It will be soon.

This is what I like about SMF or one of many. Dedication to getting it right for the users over tossing something that looks good every 3 months. lol  ;D ;)

I have a feeling it will be worth the wait for 1.1 final.  :)

here are 2 errors im getting

QuoteWarning: main(/home/georgeli/public_html/smf/smf_1-1-rc2_upgrade/Settings.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/georgeli/public_html/smf/smf_1-1-rc2_upgrade/index.php on line 44

Fatal error: main(): Failed opening required '/home/georgeli/public_html/smf/smf_1-1-rc2_upgrade/Settings.php' (include_path='.:/usr/lib/php:/usr/local/lib/php') in /home/georgeli/public_html/smf/smf_1-1-rc2_upgrade/index.php on line 44

QuoteWarning: main(/home/georgeli/public_html/smf/smf_1-1-rc2_upgrade/Settings.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/georgeli/public_html/smf/smf_1-1-rc2_upgrade/upgrade.php on line 42

Fatal error: main(): Failed opening required '/home/georgeli/public_html/smf/smf_1-1-rc2_upgrade/Settings.php' (include_path='.:/usr/lib/php:/usr/local/lib/php') in /home/georgeli/public_html/smf/smf_1-1-rc2_upgrade/upgrade.php on line 42

Make sure if this is a fresh install that you are usign the correct package and not the upgrade one.  Also verify that you have Settings.php and Settings_bak.php in your forum's folder.

i was using the upgrade package...im getting fustrated unfortunately and dont know whether i should keep trying or if i should just remove and reinstall 1.0.5 through fantastico

deadpoet...   please don't run the same question in multiple places. You have your own thread for this support issue...

And the answer to your questions is in that thread!

yes sir.... :( i apologize for creating this a multiple time

I am also looking forward to 1.1. final.
i am running rc2 on several full-blown sites and they work fine.

have you guys considered doing a third RC? in my opinion that would be good so that people get an even more fixed release candidate and dont report the same (maybe already long fixed) errors over and over again and  you guys can sort out better what problems people might have with the piece of software.

keep up the great work guys

Love it.
Have been running some test lately, upgrade quite a few community sites, getting people ready and drooling over SMF 1.1 on several other places around the web :D
And for the record, take your time, I prefer to wait a month or two and get a decent package than doing the phpBB style, release something, fix later.
I do agree with TarantinoArchives, the last RC was on New Years eve, about 3 months have passed since then and I'm sure a lot of progress has been made. I think we'd all appreciate another sneak-peak at was is coming our way and it might be good for the developpement process too, you won't get nay bug reports about stuff that has been fixed but we will be able to help discover new bugs and fix 'em

i've actually been waiting for 1.1final to finally redesign my forum, but i think i'll stick with RC2 and upgrade next month. my forum need a serious change.

:) and for me, RC2 is quite stable. i'm surprise it just hasn't been labeled final already XD

but yeah :) keep up the good work!

It's good ot see that SMF has a patient user base.  This implies that SMF is indeed a rare gem among this big sea of free forums. ^^

i couldnt see in admin panel. "Email or private message your members by membergroup" in 1.1 rc2 ?

Admin -> News and Newsletters

Quote from: xenovanis on April 01, 2006, 01:48:30 PM
Admin -> News and Newsletters

ok thanks ;) in the former versions it was on the left side :)

Hello all

I am new to running a forum and I have installed by fantasico [Ver 1.0.7)

I am trying to understand the difference between

ver 1.0.7 

and

SMF 1.1 Release Candidate 2

is SMF 1.1 Release Candidate 2  the latest version  and what does ( Release Candidate 2  ) mean

1.0.7 is final ie. its stable.
i wouldnt say 1.1 rc2 is unstable but release candidate is a pre-final release like beta.
so its still under testing before 1.1 final releases.

Thank You

I notice in my post to you there is an icon there to put me in the editing mode for my post

but it is not there in the forum I have set up ver 1.0.7

Do i need to turn this feature on or is it a feature of ver 1.1 RC 2

Where can I download Ver 1.1 rc2

THANKS

1.0.7 is the latest release of the 1.0 SMF branch. It is a security update of 1.0.6, and contains no new features since 1.0 Final.
1.1 RC2 is a release candidate. It too is now feature frozen, and is a step above a beta release, but still slightly unstable, and it still has a few bugs.

Inline editing is a feature of 1.1 only. You can get 1.1 RC2 at the downloads page - there's a big link at the top ;)

If I am asking questions in the wrong forum please feel free to direct me to the correct area.....

In the version 1.0.7 which I am running I am tryng to turn off all the information in the INFO Centre on the first page of the forum as you come online

Which includes

Recent Posts

Upcoming Calendar

Forum Stats

Users Online

Login (Forgot your password?)


This is all at the bottom of the screen under all the area for the actual Boards that are available

I want to keep the main area very simple so when someone comes online they only have a few choices 

ie: to goto the calender or the read the posts in the catagories


Is this possible and if so where

I saw in the "Edit Features and Options Area"

                         "Layout and Options" section

          Enable who's online list  CheckBox

But it doesnt seem to do anything

This is a play forum that I have set up and id be willing to let some have the ADMIN rights to take a peek see if they were interested


http://bsbb.ca/sm/index.php

Some of that stuff is enabled via Admin|Permissions. Click on Modify alongside the group you want to hide it from (e.g. Unregistered guests, Ungrouped members).

I couldn't be bothered to read through all the 29 pages here, but I am wondering if there will be many template changes from 1.1 RC2 to 1.1 Final Release?

I am planning on trying out SMF for a new forum I am opening up, but I don't want to do a whole lot of template editing if I'll have to spend countless hours redoing them again after I've upgraded to stable.

Also is there any ETA on Final yet?  8) Somewhat hesitant on opening up a new site before Final is released..

There are a few tiny template changes that have been made to fix certain theme bugs.  Besides that there are no other template changes.

There is no ETA for RC3/Final.

don't know where else to put this, but how do i add new smileys like i did in 1.0? like custom ones where i create the code and such?

Admin > Smileys and Message Icons > Smiley Sets

Quote from: JayBachatero on April 10, 2006, 09:14:28 AM
There are a few tiny template changes that have been made to fix certain theme bugs.  Besides that there are no other template changes.

There is no ETA for RC3/Final.

So there will be another RC before Final?

ETA ? what does it mean ?  :o

Estimated Time of Arrival - ETA

ETA = Estimated Time to Arrival.  Generally it means a guess in how long it'll be before some event.

Quote from: JayBachatero on April 11, 2006, 11:35:45 AM
Admin > Smileys and Message Icons > Smiley Sets

no no. i meant INDIVIDUAL smileys like i did in 1.0. i added several new smileys.

i don't want to add a whole set. just one or two smileys.

edit nvm. i found it. lol i had to enable custom ones xD

After all these months, is it not time you atleast give us an estimated release time of next release ?  It's little tough to plan implementing SMF in a serious site with no timeplans at all, and I dont wanna go for the old version.

Please take this post serious and reply atleast with somekind of estimated date. Not exactly.

Thanks a lot in advance for a great product !

As it's been said before...

We cannot make and estimations as to when it will be released. It is nearly impossible for a developer to make a quality product while feeling pressed for time because an estimated time was given.

However, we are feature frozen and only bug hunting now so RC2 is what the final product will be, just without the bugs ;)

Quote from: Killer Possum on May 05, 2006, 10:24:09 AM
As it's been said before...

We cannot make and estimations as to when it will be released. It is nearly impossible for a developer to make a quality product while feeling pressed for time because an estimated time was given.

However, we are feature frozen and only bug hunting now so RC2 is what the final product will be, just without the bugs ;)

noooo u mean there wont be any new features ? :(

oh well :D im happy either ways lol

I wonder if since it is just bug fixes being done if the upgrade from 1.1 RC2 to Final will be small enough to be done via the package manager. That would be so very KEWL!  ;D 8) ;)

Too many files will be changes to make it in the form of a mod.  It will be a regular upgrade just like you upgrade 1.0 - 1.1.

Quote from: Killer Possum on May 05, 2006, 10:24:09 AM
As it's been said before...

We cannot make and estimations as to when it will be released. It is nearly impossible for a developer to make a quality product while feeling pressed for time because an estimated time was given.

However, we are feature frozen and only bug hunting now so RC2 is what the final product will be, just without the bugs ;)

I coder shall have pressure, I am self a long time developer, well since mid eighties and I do work better and faster under pressure, but only if I can have a finger in the timeplan for the whole thing.

Thanks anyway for the information that this release is what the final will be but without bugs.

Another small question, why not be satisfied with you have except known nasty stability, performance and security. Release it with the minor bugs, youy can anyway never release anything completely without bugs, if you do that I will worship you forever :)

Quote from: roxpace on May 05, 2006, 06:50:55 PM

Quote from: Killer Possum on May 05, 2006, 10:24:09 AM
As it's been said before...

We cannot make and estimations as to when it will be released. It is nearly impossible for a developer to make a quality product while feeling pressed for time because an estimated time was given.

However, we are feature frozen and only bug hunting now so RC2 is what the final product will be, just without the bugs ;)

I coder shall have pressure, I am self a long time developer, well since mid eighties and I do work better and faster under pressure, but only if I can have a finger in the timeplan for the whole thing.

Thanks anyway for the information that this release is what the final will be but without bugs.

Another small question, why not be satisfied with you have except known nasty stability, performance and security. Release it with the minor bugs, youy can anyway never release anything completely without bugs, if you do that I will worship you forever :)

Why would they release it knowing there are bugs in it?

We know there will be bugs in it, but we are trying to squash as many as we can before release. That's all ;)

Squashing bugs yuk! just be sure to clean up afterwards!  ;D 8) ;)

Quote from: Skipdawg on May 05, 2006, 10:52:18 PM
Squashing bugs yuk! just be sure to clean up afterwards!  ;D 8) ;)

that's what the site team is for :P

I know this is taboo, but can you-all give us some sort of ballpark idea when 1.1 will be released.  That would help people like me plan things a little better.  We have been waiting a long time for 1.1 (I do not normally install 1.0 of anything).  I am still running YAABSE and do not want to upgrade it now if 1.1 is just around the corner.  On the other hand, I do not want to wait until the last couple of days of 2006, which seems to be the one thing that is reasonably predictable about the forum's software development process.  Cordially, Larry

there is no release date set for SMF 1.1 they are a few bugs that needed sorted then they will most likely release.

Quote from: lbyard on May 06, 2006, 01:49:48 PM
I know this is taboo, but can you-all give us some sort of ballpark idea when 1.1 will be released.  That would help people like me plan things a little better.  We have been waiting a long time for 1.1 (I do not normally install 1.0 of anything).  I am still running YAABSE and do not want to upgrade it now if 1.1 is just around the corner.  On the other hand, I do not want to wait until the last couple of days of 2006, which seems to be the one thing that is reasonably predictable about the forum's software development process.  Cordially, Larry

See here also. http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=85363.0 The question is asked all the time.  ;)

Thank you.  I posted at the link.

I already installed SMF 1.0.7, how can i change or update to the latest version which is SMF 1.1 RC2?

one important question is, can I still use the categories/board and the post that's in my current forum.  Sort of just updating the version but same contents.

please advice.

thanks for any help I can get.

Quote from: mrloo2k4 on May 08, 2006, 10:57:29 PM
I already installed SMF 1.0.7, how can i change or update to the latest version which is SMF 1.1 RC2?

one important question is, can I still use the categories/board and the post that's in my current forum.  Sort of just updating the version but same contents.

please advice.

thanks for any help I can get.

yes you can keep all your board categories etc however due to the new coding you will need to use the updated mods and a theme (unless you us the default) that is RC2 compatable none of the 1.0.7 themes will work fully in RC2

Sloopz, I removed the link, try not to post link directly to the files but rather the downloads section. :)

Mrloo you can find all the upgrade packages here: http://www.simplemachines.org/download/

Quote from: Killer Possum on May 09, 2006, 01:57:46 PM
Sloopz, I removed the link, try not to post link directly to the files but rather the downloads section. :)

Mrloo you can find all the upgrade packages here: http://www.simplemachines.org/download/

sorry :)

Ill member in future (at that you could have changed the link :p )

Quote from: Killer Possum on May 09, 2006, 01:57:46 PM
Sloopz, I removed the link, try not to post link directly to the files but rather the downloads section. :)

Mrloo you can find all the upgrade packages here: http://www.simplemachines.org/download/

It's too bad we can't use the transload feature to get those update packages without having to download and re-upload ourselves.

Quote from: Grudge on December 29, 2005, 04:53:27 AM
Simple Machines is proud to announce the release of SMF 1.1 RC2, the second (and final) release candidate for SMF 1.1, this New Years Eve.

There are numerous changes from the preceding Release Candidate 1.1 RC1 including the release of the new default "Core" theme. This theme introduces a whole new look to SMF, using tabs for the navigation making it look original and easier to translate to other languages. The previous default theme and the classic theme are still both included in this release. The old default theme has been named back to its original name "babylon" and the classic theme stays the same.

Some of the other notable changes in this release are:

• AJAX editing
  
  
  • Edit a post without page reloads
  • Double click to edit topic subjects on message index (Need quick moderation enabled)
• Added new search features including
  
  
  • Search within a topic
  • Search within personal messages
  • Search participation levels are now shown
  • A new feature to create a custom index for searching messages, and more.
• Most Online Today and Most Online Ever has been added to the Info Center.

But there were also numerous bugfixes including:

• Package manager bug was fixed.
• Deleting empty categories bug fixed

To ensure the most optimal preformance the following changes were made:

• Optimised the tables for holding "topic read" information
• The search engine was rewritten to better accommodate the fulltext and custom indexes
• Added cache support interface in admin panel where you can activate different accelerators.
• Made it much easier to integrate SMF with other software.
• Help files converted to template and language strings.
• Ensured SMF is MySQL STRICT compatible.
• The copyright text is now one line only.
• Added a Private Messages link to the menu.

Installing/Upgrading information
Upgrading from your current version of SMF to the latest version could not be simpler, just follow the standard procedure of executing upgrade.php.  But, please remember to make a backup!!  The upgrader will upgrade any installation from YaBB SE 1.5.5 all the way up to the latest version of SMF.  You can always find information posted here about things like installation (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=6765.0), upgrade (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=6832.0), and more.

Users with large boards
This release has huge optimizations in the log table structure to reduce the ongoing operating load on your server. However, to achieve this saving the upgrade has a lot of work to do - which for boards with more than 75,000 posts may take quite some time. Please bear this in mind during the upgrade - try to do it at a quiet time if at all possible. In most cases, it will take up to an hour to upgrade, but it could take several. Remember, the script has timeout protection and auto resume - so just get it started and leave it to do its job. We've added progress bars to the upgrade script to help give you an indication of how things are going!

Theme Authors
There have been a few theme alterations with the arrival of the new default theme. If you are having any problems with existing themes then read the topic theme alterations in RC2 (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=57859.0).

Attention
While we are confident that there are no major problems with this release, we want to remind you that it is still not to be considered stable software. We do not recommend its use in "live" situations and if you are not comfortable with using this Release Candidate we advise you to wait until the release of the final version before using the 1.1 line.

Download SMF1.1 Release Candidate 2 (http://www.simplemachines.org/download.php)

Thanks,
Simple Machines

WOW Keep up the good work

I cant agree with you on that list, not wow for AJAX and even more Javascript garbage, it would be wonderful if the default SMF could be completely without Javascript to be most compatible and fast. Javascript is often disabled on company networks, and there is often troubles with it for people who doesnt know how to use their settings. Also Javascript mostly only creates longer download times, a page without graphics shall never be bigger than 30 Kb. AJAX itself offers nice features, but it's more hype than realistic worth so much attention due to Javascript role in the company spheres.

Tried to upgrade the Calendar.php file to the 1.1RC2-1 version, but all the download arcives seem to have the 1.1RC2 version.

Where is the file?  I must be blind.

Calendar.php was updated in the archives already. Don't worry about it.

Quote from: roxpace on May 10, 2006, 07:09:14 PM
I cant agree with you on that list, not wow for AJAX and even more Javascript garbage, it would be wonderful if the default SMF could be completely without Javascript to be most compatible and fast. Javascript is often disabled on company networks, and there is often troubles with it for people who doesnt know how to use their settings. Also Javascript mostly only creates longer download times, a page without graphics shall never be bigger than 30 Kb. AJAX itself offers nice features, but it's more hype than realistic worth so much attention due to Javascript role in the company spheres.

All JavaScript/AJAX features in SMF are either redundant (ie there's an easy other way to do it) or also implemented for browsers with javascript disabled. Besides, most of the AJAX features in SMF actually improve load times and reduce bandwidth because a page refresh is no longer needed.

Is it possible to regulate the posts using this forum software. So if someone signs in and posts an item can that item go through an approval process before it is posted on the live forum/message board?

whats the difference between 1.0.7 and 1.1 rc2? thanks

hi

my spologies if this isnt the place to say this but i just wanted to say

please please pleaseee include the following in the 1.1 stable release:

- ability to auto-merge double posts
- users online today (with on/off ability)
- custom profile feilds
- a table format for the "pop up smileys" right now as they are they look very untidy!
- a graphical interface for the "karma" as opposed to just having a + and - and some sorta rep power system

Please :D

fastforum: http://docs.simplemachines.org/index.php?topic=682

akulion: sorry, but SMF 1.1 has been feature frozen for many many months.

oh well im happy with smf so im sure ill be around for 1.2 release too :D

thanks anyways

I'm waiting the final release, this is gonna be release soon?
sorry for my english.

The final release is not far off, due to the bug fixing and international support issues we will have a third release candidate but after that the final version of 1.1 shall be out and from RC3 to Final probably wont be aslong as RC2 to RC3 has been.

Is this RC2 to RC3 a urgent bug fix upgrade or what? I thought they were not going to bother with a RC3?  :o

Skipdawg,unfortunately they have had to. Do remember the world is always growing and making new problems.

RC2 had a LOT of new features. You may have noticed them, with new features come changes to the code and more room for bugs, we got a few bugs. Also UTF-8 support is being added to SMF, this is a huge change to some boards that will affect every single post. To try anf fix all these bugs and leave room for any extra bugs that appear due to UTF-8, RC3 will be released after that will be the final :) We would rather give out a stable final release than a buggy one.

Hmm then it'd remind me how buggy phpbb is :D

Yes phpbb have a lot of bugs, but outputs a better HTML result for the visitor with its standard templates for those with lower bandwidth.

Quote from: roxpace on May 21, 2006, 08:06:29 AM
Yes phpbb have a lot of bugs, but outputs a better HTML result for the visitor with its standard templates for those with lower bandwidth.

We're constantly working on speed and things like this, theres already very early work in progress to try and move as much as possible to css, therefore reducing the ammount needed to download a page. But sadly this wont be availble for some time. Some other themes use CSS better than the default, also theres always imode :)

I am curious is there any approximate timeline as to when the final release for 1.1 will be made public? I mean are we probably looking at another few months or what? :)

Nope,that would harm development since they'd rush and boom SMF would fall apart. :(

Well then knowing that UTF-8 support is being tossed in that is indeed great.  ;D

But it just caught me off guard after just a few months ago someone say there would not be a RC3 when some else had brought it up. But to make sure we don't have a buggy final all power to it.

Just hope it dose not break the RC2 Mods. Willing to fix stuff for the final but not another RC ya know!  ;)

Got so tired of fixing stuff with broken mods in the 1.0.x line updates :(

That is why I went to RC2 with all my boards, which fixed allot of issues that 1.0.6 and 1.0.7 had messed up.  >:(

I just upgraded to 1.1 RC2 from 1.0.7 and now it won't let me add packages
Is this a known bug or am I doing something wrong?

It keeps telling me:

You cannot download or install new packages because the Packages directory or one of the files in it are not writable!

The package folder and everything in it is set to 777 for permissions except smf_patch_1.0.7_1.1-RC2-1.tar which is 755

I've tried to change it to 777 but it won't take, it just stays at 755

Ideas?

Do you have access to your server error log? You may find out more information there.

Also have your tried running repair to see if that fixes the issue?

repair says there are no errors and get all excited about it
I don't think the repair works good.

plus one of the themes I have "cerberus" blantly says it has an error on the page, and the userinfo stays collapsed, it just won't open.
I didn't notice anything wrong with the index.template.php for it, but I don't know very much at all about PHP. Maybe repair can't find those kinds of errors.

I'll check my server logs. What would I be looking for?

I've been through all my server logs and I don't see any errors, or anything unusual.

I'm completely confused

Hi there!

If I may ask,

Is there any record of the bugs fixed to date?

If so, but not available to the public, can you give a count of how many bugs you've fixed?

That should give everyone a pretty good ide of how development is going.

Thanks for Smf!

Nadeem

Quote from: Trekkie101 on May 21, 2006, 07:04:10 AM
RC2 had a LOT of new features. You may have noticed them, with new features come changes to the code and more room for bugs, we got a few bugs. Also UTF-8 support is being added to SMF, this is a huge change to some boards that will affect every single post. To try anf fix all these bugs and leave room for any extra bugs that appear due to UTF-8, RC3 will be released after that will be the final :) We would rather give out a stable final release than a buggy one.

Speaking about RC3, when will this be availiable?
Please, try to respond with a number even in months.

Quote from: dkounal on May 27, 2006, 10:40:47 AM

Quote from: Trekkie101 on May 21, 2006, 07:04:10 AM
RC2 had a LOT of new features. You may have noticed them, with new features come changes to the code and more room for bugs, we got a few bugs. Also UTF-8 support is being added to SMF, this is a huge change to some boards that will affect every single post. To try anf fix all these bugs and leave room for any extra bugs that appear due to UTF-8, RC3 will be released after that will be the final :) We would rather give out a stable final release than a buggy one.

Speaking about RC3, when will this be availiable?
Please, try to respond with a number even in months.

Won't be so long away. Sorry no release dates can be given, I promise you right now there is no release date set thats available to me.

Quote from: Trekkie101 on May 27, 2006, 11:11:42 AM
Won't be so long away. Sorry no release dates can be given, I promise you right now there is no release date set thats available to me.

Nothing after RC2? Not even to charter members ?
Is there a table or other ticket software with all known bugs to RC2 and availiable fixes to them?
concerning myself, I have two ways to choose one: Either going the following month to SMF v1.1 but without RC2 bugs, either jumping to Invisionboard if I have to pay a similar amount of money and InvisionBoard worths the difference.
I am using SMF 1.0.7 till now and I am not happy with it. And I do not like to say "Happy New Year" in order to have availiable SMF v1.1 RC3. I respect your work, but I add also my opinion concerning the situation.

QuoteNothing after RC2? Not even to charter members ?
Is there a table or other ticket software with all known bugs to RC2 and availiable fixes to them?
concerning myself, I have two ways to choose one: Either going the following month to SMF v1.1 but without RC2 bugs, either jumping to Invisionboard if I have to pay a similar amount of money and InvisionBoard worths the difference.
I am using SMF 1.0.7 till now and I am not happy with it. And I do not like to say "Happy New Year" in order to have availiable SMF v1.1 RC3. I respect your work, but I add also my opinion concerning the situation.

Any bugs that hinder the user of RC2 and stop it from being fully useable have working patches here, but it still has a few bugs but nothing that you'll probably notice. :) Every piece of software has bugs, RC3 will have bugs, aswell as 1.1 Final. Invision Power Board at its current stable release has bugs aswell.

You are free to try SMF 1.1 RC2 you'll find it quite stable and useable or we would of had to release an update a lot faster. :) Invision Power Board has RC releases aswell, without too much detail, it wasn't perfect either by any account.

You're free to use either SMF 1.0.7 or SMF 1.1 RC2 or move away, but we will not release another release until it is ready and at a quality that we are proud of. :)

Does RC2 or RC3 supports Unicode? I can tranform existing db data and greek language files in unicode.
A SMF connection with existing joomla site in UTF-8 is an advantage, but I have not seen happy faces when reading this forum...

In RC2 there are problems with UTF-8 support. However all that should be fixed in RC3.

just keep up the good work :D

I cant wait to see the next release. I think most people are waiting on 1.1 final mostly because a lot of mod authors wont release any updates aswell until 1.1 is available.

Quote from: Trekkie101 on May 20, 2006, 08:07:41 PM
...final version of 1.1 shall be out and from RC3 to Final probably wont be aslong as RC2 to RC3 has been.

That would then be relative to when RC3 is released, wouldn't it?  I think 1.1 will be released 29 or 30 December 2006.  I can a remember when things were more dynamic/exciting.  I suppose someone will respond with a link about etiquette.

Before I get flamed, lots of love to SMF. I use it on a couple sites and have been successful and happy for a while. I too am eagerly awaiting a final version.

That being said, should I wait? Most on this board talk about RC2 as being more stable than competitors. Although in a prefect world, all bugs would be eliminated before a 'final' version, but we all realize the reality is that this is just not possible with any product - open source or otherwise to get rid of 'all' bugs. So what's the big deal if RC2 has a couple here and there. In the grand scheme of things - nothing. So why didn't they call RC2 a final? Because it's not ready. Why is it not ready? Because in addition to fixing those few non-critical bugs, features were added. Sorry guys, but isn't this a HUGE NO NO in the software world?

I guess the thing that might confuse most people (I know I am) is that a RC is supposed to be feature closed and the developers are just supposed to be cleaning the code. I applaud and understand the need to add items due to a changing world, but shouldn't that be left to a future release not a RC? This is exactly how a project falls into a neverending spiral.

Maybe SMF RC2 should be packaged with the fixes and just simply be named 1.1 Final. After all, perception is reality. If we all percieve RC2 with the fixes strewn around the boards to be stable enough to run a production community... then it is. Then RC3 can be named 1.2 Beta x instead, and everyone will calm down simply because of its name.

My $.02

ddonzal that is how we aim to release, RC shouldn't really get extra features, but due to circumstances a lot was ready and was easily slotted into RC2, the new theme and things had to wait until everything was finalised. RC3 contains about one new feature, it's a security feature and it wouldn't of been wise to wait. RC3 -> Final will not have any new features that we can see. Instead all new features will be put into the next version where work is already under way.

Sounds nice with no more RC other than RC3, but we as company are gettng tired to wait for the next release and maybe will only use SMF on our non-profit projects since we need a trustful time planning and you never give us any approx. estimated release dates for RC and final.

Please consider that in the future, well even on freebie projects a planning is often very welcome due to site growth.

Roxpace it has been explained to you why we don't give release dates.  The way I see it is if we say it will be released tom but it is released on friday you will whine about it.  If no date is set you will still whine.  Either way you will whine.

PS - not even team members know when the next release will be made.

Quote from: roxpace on June 05, 2006, 07:57:44 PM
Sounds nice with no more RC other than RC3, but we as company are getting tired to wait for the next release and maybe will only use SMF on our non-profit projects since we need a trustful time planning and you never give us any approx. estimated release dates for RC and final.

I too would like to a 1.1 final, but the RC2 overall is stable.  I've used SMF 1.1 RC1 and RC2 for some clients as well as my own sites.  Every project has there own versioning system so why worry?  They could have easily call it 1.1.2 instead of RC2...but it's still the same code.  The real concern is making sure that previous versions can upgrade with newer versions.  With SMF, I've never had a problem with upgrades.  Much ado about nothing, if you ask me.

-Bryan

Quote from: roxpace on June 05, 2006, 07:57:44 PM
Sounds nice with no more RC other than RC3, but we as company are gettng tired to wait for the next release and maybe will only use SMF on our non-profit projects since we need a trustful time planning and you never give us any approx. estimated release dates for RC and final.

Please consider that in the future, well even on freebie projects a planning is often very welcome due to site growth.

May I enquire what is so tiring about the next release? Would you rather we released a buggy final product for use on your production site? :)

Quote from: Trekkie101 on June 06, 2006, 02:30:16 AM
Would you rather we released a buggy final product for use on your production site? :)

Are you saying that next release will not have bugs? That would be first time in history of software. ;)

Quote from: Ibiza MF on June 07, 2006, 03:22:42 PM
Are you saying that next release will not have bugs? That would be first time in history of software. ;)

Well, the known bugs of SMF 1.1 RC2 will be fixed. :) Trekkie is just pointing out that we want SMF 1.1 final to be very stable and as bug free as possible. ;)

Quote from: Aäron on June 07, 2006, 03:29:26 PM
Well, the known bugs of SMF 1.1 RC2 will be fixed. :) Trekkie is just pointing out that we want SMF 1.1 final to be very stable and as bug free as possible. ;)

Suggestion: Fix all critical defects you know about, release an RC3, and wait 2 weeks for feeedback.

If at least 15 new and upgraded SMF 1.1 RC3 installation work as expected and no other critical defect is found, release 1.1 Stable.

Then collect open defects and run in mainentance mode with quarterly updates. ( Versions 1.1.x)

I think the devs know how to make releases, as shown that SMF 1.0 has only had 7 updates in a year and a half. If you'd have no problem running SMF 1.1 RC2 if it was repackaged as 1.1 Final, then what is the problem with running it now?

Quote from: eldacar on June 08, 2006, 03:28:15 AM
I think the devs know how to make releases, as shown that SMF 1.0 has only had 7 updates in a year and a half. If you'd have no problem running SMF 1.1 RC2 if it was repackaged as 1.1 Final, then what is the problem with running it now?

UTF-8 ?
Is it correct that an SMF 1.1RC2 version with most UTF-8 bugs fixed is available in the CVS since February?

It has been available for testing for a while now but not since February.  If it would've been out by February Final would've been out.

Quote from: JayBachatero on June 05, 2006, 08:10:50 PM
Roxpace it has been explained to you why we don't give release dates.  The way I see it is if we say it will be released tom but it is released on friday you will whine about it.  If no date is set you will still whine.  Either way you will whine.

PS - not even team members know when the next release will be made.

Not correct, I feel it is not whining to point out problems in hope to get a better world and in this case a better product. All I has ever asked for is a timetable, delays are normal, but serious planning is always a good sign that this product will not stagnate and die out because the development is too slow. Site developers, designers and maintainers finds it very helping with a timetable so they know approximately when they shall start considering upgrade their website. And it is also very smooth for site owners to get the hand of a CVS to always be up to date with the "current development" version before the real is released, I know you have your RC's and they are good, but they are not often released and between that there is a lot of bugfixes and even adding of new features.

If you want to get more mod developers and more big sites to use your product you need also to give them back something, like a timetable and it is not important to follow it 100%, ****** happens to everyone :)

It could even be good that you atleast offers that to Charter Members, then it would be more offered to those who pay a subscription of a membership.

So trust me when I say, I will not whine if you do not follow the timetable if you would had one published. But that would give many of us a good hint about any kind of progress.

Quote from: Trekkie101 on June 06, 2006, 02:30:16 AM

Quote from: roxpace on June 05, 2006, 07:57:44 PM
Sounds nice with no more RC other than RC3, but we as company are gettng tired to wait for the next release and maybe will only use SMF on our non-profit projects since we need a trustful time planning and you never give us any approx. estimated release dates for RC and final.

Please consider that in the future, well even on freebie projects a planning is often very welcome due to site growth.

May I enquire what is so tiring about the next release? Would you rather we released a buggy final product for use on your production site? :)

Yes I would, atleast that would give me a hint about whats coming and bugs are easy to fix for myself and I would happily contribute to give you my fixes in case you would need that. But my plans needs a perspective into the future to adjust the websites technology to fit with a coming product from you.

Anyway, thanks again for a good product ! :)

Precisely. I'm still running 1.0.3 because I keep thinking "there's no point upgrading to 1.0.7, because 1.1 will be out soon".

However, if you guys said "The likely release date for 1.1 Final is October", then that gives us some sort of stability to decide whether it's worth patching to 1.0.7 in the meantime (for example). We're not expecting you to stick rigidly to the date, but just to give people an idea of what to expect.

I suggest that you upgrade to 1.0.7.  A fe security issues where fixed since the release of 1.0.3.

roxpace = you have been asking for a release date for ages with a mixture of reasons why, most people have accepted the fact that it will be released when it is, RC2 may have small bugs but its pretty stable (ive not had any problems with it) do you ever get feeling maybe its time you accept that this :)

Quote from: sloopz on June 16, 2006, 04:40:06 PM
roxpace = you have been asking for a release date for ages with a mixture of reasons why, most people have accepted the fact that it will be released when it is, RC2 may have small bugs but its pretty stable (ive not had any problems with it) do you ever get feeling maybe its time you accept that this :)

No, do NOT lie, I have always had the same and single main reason, that it is important for the decision process in a serious business. And maybe you didnt see the other guy who want the same in the same thread ?  And most prefare to be silent and let you do what you want, I do not, I prefare to express my oppinion in this matter.

Have you any statistics about what people think in this issue ?  Then show us please, if it is one man or a few man decision from SMF I can understand and always accept that, that is their product and they do whatever they wish but they lose a lot of potential users and developers meanwhile not giving anything to the world. My wishes is that they shall not lose any potential users and developers in favour for phpbb (many more) and most the commercial very well equiped apps.

It is kind of refreshing to have a development team that is straight up with you. The next release will be ready when you see it basically. Nice!  :)

It gets old with some of the scripts and software out there that gives you a date of when the next version will be ready and the date comes and it is either not released or they release something that was not really ready at all.  :(

I've been playing this message board game for years. And the bbs stuff back in 92-94 even. So yea it is refreshing to have a script development team that waits till the thing is ready to the best of their knowledge and you get that surprise one morning when you come to visit and a new version is up and available.

So cheers to the SMF team.  ;D ;)

That really depends on what you're using it for. If you're a casual user who just has a forum on their website, then the "when it's done" release date is fine. But if you're using SMF in a business context, you need time to plan when you can fit the upgrade and testing of it into an already-packed schedule. This is why big software companies like Microsoft always release a roadmap of when you can expect the next version to be released.

Like I say, nobody is demanding an exact release date, it'd just be nice to have a general idea of when it's likely to be.

but at end of the day everyone who works at SMF are volunteers and there own life is more important where as microsoft they get paid, now comparing MS and SMF the incentives to work are money for MS and pleasure for SMF.  If you put a time frame on SMF then you are putting pressure on them and too much pressure and real life you will see many staff leaving SMF, yes I agree its nice to know but what you need top understand is that they have told you that you wont get release date.

roxpace if you are so keen on getting RC3 then donate some money become a charter member they get it month or two before the regular members giving you a few weeks to check it out before you can release to your clients.

Quote from: sloopz on June 17, 2006, 06:08:19 AM
but at end of the day everyone who works at SMF are volunteers and there own life is more important where as microsoft they get paid, now comparing MS and SMF the incentives to work are money for MS and pleasure for SMF.  If you put a time frame on SMF then you are putting pressure on them and too much pressure and real life you will see many staff leaving SMF, yes I agree its nice to know but what you need top understand is that they have told you that you wont get release date.

roxpace if you are so keen on getting RC3 then donate some money become a charter member they get it month or two before the regular members giving you a few weeks to check it out before you can release to your clients.

I do understand your point and agree also but if this script package was release as a true opensource with CVS so anyone could contribute in the progress if a new release it would of course also release a lot of the pressure from the core staff. A new problem would arise, someone have to verify each contributed script that is comining in but I doubt that is much of work, even the entire SMF is a small code package (but still good quality of course).

And with a CVS there should always be a "plan", just compare to all other opensource projects on the net which is popular, they often have a timetable.

orange: Very well expressed :)

Orange you picked the wrong Company to talk about Road Map.  When was Vista "supposed" to be out?...

If we would've given you a timeline we would be way behind then.  Like Grudge stated before.  He thought 1.1 Final would be out by April and look.  That's why we don't have a time line.

Like we said before.  Not even Team Members know exactly when it will be released.  He get an idea a week before when we prepare the Announcement topic.  Then we are just like you guys.  We wake up to see a mess of people downloadingg x cause it was released.  The same happened with RC2.

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A new problem would arise, someone have to verify each contributed script

Rox you hit the nail right on the head.  That is something that we don't want.  Supporting different versions becomes a hastle.

Quotebut at end of the day everyone who works at SMF are volunteers and there own life is more important where as microsoft they get paid, now comparing MS and SMF the incentives to work are money for MS and pleasure for SMF.  If you put a time frame on SMF then you are putting pressure on them and too much pressure and real life you will see many staff leaving SMF, yes I agree its nice to know but what you need top understand is that they have told you that you wont get release date.

Oh don't get me wrong, I really appreciate all the work that the SMF team put in to give us this great piece of software for free. And to be honest, most business users will tend to choose pay-for software anyway, so that they get a gauranteed support contract and everything that goes with it -- so the business use argument doesn't really apply to SMF.

release dates are god to kno but extremely dissaponting too if not met

plus why be counting the days thinking about whats to come - like someone one pointed out "why upgrade when the next one is coming out soon" so a lot of people will think "oh the next one will be out soon so why even bother with this one" and in turn thus defeating the purpose of a RC which currently a lot of poeple install and test and as a result more bugs come forth which can be fixed

so its best in my opinion to chill and not have a release date because when it does come it comes as a pleasant surprise :D

How long has it been since RC2 was released? It seems like it's been about a year to me. I check back here every couple of months, to see if 1.1 Final is out yet, but all I ever see is "it'll be out soon." That's why I'm still using phpBB -- I don't want to go through the hassle of switching to SMF until I know for sure that it's not "abandonware." I don't know anything about the internal politics of this project, but as an outsider, it appeared to me that SMF's development ground almost to a halt after one of these forums' main support people (Grudge? Unknown? I don't remember who) left the project about a year ago, and hardly anything has changed since then. Is that true?

Don't get me wrong -- I very much appreciate all the work that volunteers do on projects like this one. All I'm saying is that "it'll be released when it's ready" makes sense for a couple of months, but IMHO that phrase starts sounding very defensive and un-friendly if you say it for months and then those months start turning into years.

Quote from: ComputerBob on June 17, 2006, 05:39:31 PM
How long has it been since RC2 was released? It seems like it's been about a year to me.

29.12.05 (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=62731.msg434154#msg434154)

@ComputerBob
How long have you been waiting for phpBB 2.2?
Think the phpBB development must be much longer

Quote from: klumy on June 17, 2006, 05:48:14 PM
@ComputerBob
How long have you been waiting for phpBB 2.2?
Think the phpBB development must be much longer

Exactly. ;) Like many others, I gave up on waiting for phpBB 2.2 a long, long, long time ago. That's why I looked around for an alternative and found SMF. But it seems like SMF 1.1 has already been in RC (either RC1 or RC2) for a long, long, long time without any "light at the end of the tunnel."

well ive been using smf for only 7 months now and things change realy fast

the community is fun and friendly

u learn so much here and plus there are new mods and addons comingout all the time

so the community is far from dead...its really alive and bustling with activity :D

I must say that I agree with ComputerBob 100% about how the responses are getting replied to us who just want this project to progress into something much better, which would benefit not just this userbase (most private people and little companies).

The best projects are those which are trying to meet the demands from the commercial market and private sphere, not talking about me or anyone at this community, talking about any company in the commercial market and private sphere around this globe. People have a lot of different oppinions and mine are probably very wrong for some people and for some very correct. But if you develop a product you should try to work towards the commercial market needs first and secondly attract private sphere.

I know for sure that this product can be huge since it have a currently very high quality, but for that you need to listen to progress much further in the future.

Do not be defensive, listen to the critics and atleast try to understand and maybe you see a new light on the path for development and offical information like a roadmap, do not push the oppinions away right from the beginning.

Owdy: RC1 came 2005-09-20, which is very soon one year (about three months) with RC's since it will come another RC version 3 before the final. Thats a long way to go, nothing wrong, but looks slow for the surround world when there is no additional informations not even any official information about how many RC's which is said in the forums to be three, but not sure how verified that is.

JayBachatero:  Microsoft is famous for not keeping their deadlines for atleast Windows, and they are losing a lot of respect on that also but they are atleast a closed company which makes money and offers very good support world-wide. But there are thousands of better companies or projects to name which is following their roadmaps pretty good. The point is not to follow it perfectly but to give the people a hint what is coming and when a delay is a fact it shall also be put in the roadmap. No one expects a roadmap from an half open project like this to be 100% perfect, still there is people behind it with other lifes, hopefully with families, jobs or school. Yes I hit the head of the nail but it also gives a faster progress of this project and also probably much more volunteers.

akulion: I agree the community here is not dead, very well alive and fun but the SMF is not progressing quick in official terms for a progressing commercial market. And many Mods ? Not very much is getting released but what exists today in the Mod database is good base. Maybe if you are a private person those last seven months is a very short time, but not for me and many others who needs to consider new integration into our systems with software, scripts, design, hardware, staff to handle it and much more.

And listen to orange when he said "most business users will tend to choose pay-for software anyway, so that they get a gauranteed support contract and everything that goes with it -- so the business use argument doesn't really apply to SMF". That gives you a hint why so many companies for example are choosing vBulletin and more (I will not get into comparing softwares/scripts). Give them more reasons to choose SMF in the future, also you could offer a pay-support with onplace and remote installations and helpdesk. That would work very fine beside this great community for companies which doesnt have the knowledge but can't wait for "hire a local guy who first needs to learn it".

And again I end it with that this is a great product, which road path you ever choose it will be good, maybe less percentage of the BBS/forums market, but still it will be a great product.

first of all, the model you propose is unrealistic.

SMF is not really a company. The developers and support staff are not paid. So, your suggestions on the availablity of pay for more support than already exists (Charter membership) would pretty much require a paid staff and paid developers.  Unrealistic in the extreme.

And I disagree... the best products are ones that are stable, have support and meet a need in the marketplace (public or private). Having a product which is released prematurely to meet the demands of users is a sure road to the downfall of the product. Promising a release date is a sure way to get everyone in a tizzy "but you promised a release on such and such a date..." 
(just look at what has happened with The PhatCalPack. I have been working on it, but hit a snag and some real life issues...  I promised it back in February and then May...   and people are wondering why I haven't released it "on time".   The answer is, of course, I should have said "I'll release it when I am able".)

We have said, quite a number of times. The final release will come when it comes.   The SMF developers and team will not promise or predict a release date.

You are beating a dead horse. Get over it.

Well said Kindred  ;)
Even as a user I tire of seeing the question.  :-\

Quote from: roxpace on June 17, 2006, 10:18:06 PM
Owdy: RC1 came 2005-09-20,

Yes, but question was:

Quote from: ComputerBob on June 17, 2006, 05:39:31 PM
How long has it been since RC2 was released? It seems like it's been about a year to me.

edit:
Well sayd Kindred! Remember all, SMF is totally volunteer project. Devs and other team members have real lifes, school, jobs etc. SMF comes after those.

Quote from: ComputerBob on June 17, 2006, 05:55:40 PM
Exactly. ;) Like many others, I gave up on waiting for phpBB 2.2 a long, long, long time ago. That's why I looked around for an alternative and found SMF. But it seems like SMF 1.1 has already been in RC (either RC1 or RC2) for a long, long, long time without any "light at the end of the tunnel."

Take MyBB. :D
1.2 cames in june or july and it will have some nice features...

well im sticking to smf

phpbb looks like a boring old sog at first sight and after using it - it looks like a boring old sog of a boring old sog

infact ive beene dying to use osdate a free dating script but i dont only cos it uses phpbb

but in the end i guess some people like boring old sog programs and others like vibrant software like smf :D

Quote from: JayBachatero on June 17, 2006, 12:37:12 PM
Orange you picked the wrong Company to talk about Road Map.  When was Vista "supposed" to be out?...

If we would've given you a timeline we would be way behind then.  Like Grudge stated before.  He thought 1.1 Final would be out by April and look.  That's why we don't have a time line.

Like we said before.  Not even Team Members know exactly when it will be released.  He get an idea a week before when we prepare the Announcement topic.  Then we are just like you guys.  We wake up to see a mess of people downloadingg x cause it was released.  The same happened with RC2.

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A new problem would arise, someone have to verify each contributed script

Rox you hit the nail right on the head.  That is something that we don't want.  Supporting different versions becomes a hastle.

Maybe you guys can use the Roadmap that Bloc at Tiny Portal setted up. That way members have a idea what new featurtes to look forward and a idea of what work has been done. Because at this point I have no clue what new features there will be or if these feature will really change anything.

Quote from: klumy on June 17, 2006, 05:48:14 PM
@ComputerBob
How long have you been waiting for phpBB 2.2?
Think the phpBB development must be much longer

Good point.

They however finally did release phpbb3 ( Used to be called 2.2 ) beta yesterday. A nice impovement. However it still dont have such features as the package manager found here which is great, nor collapsable forums on the main index page, and no quick reply as well. The only notable thing they did add not found here yet ( I believe to be added in a later release here ) is moderation que/preview. I personally have no problems here with development as smf has pretty much remained ahead of the other guy's so far. And the developers here seem to be more open to new ideas for development unlike a few notable others.

Digg has an announcement about the new phpBB 3 Beta 1:

http://digg.com/software/PhpBB_3_Beta_1_Released

I wouldn't be posting a link to a phpBB announcement here in the SMF forums except that I'd like to see how SMF users feel about a very anti-SMF comment under the announcement. ATM it's the 27th comment down, by JessicaHope, and starts with the text,

"Oh please. I reported four diffrent security problems to SMF..."

Quote from: ComputerBob on June 18, 2006, 02:10:48 PM
Digg has an announcement about the new phpBB 3 Beta 1:

http://digg.com/software/PhpBB_3_Beta_1_Released

I wouldn't be posting a link to a phpBB announcement here in the SMF forums except that I'd like to see how SMF users feel about a very anti-SMF comment under the announcement. ATM it's the 27th comment down, by JessicaHope, and starts with the text,

"Oh please. I reported four diffrent security problems to SMF..."

Well, mabey if SMF team members didn't troll the topic about phpBB, one wouldn't have to reply as one did. However, if you don't like what I posted, then fine, but it is truth.

Jessica

Quote from: Jessica on June 18, 2006, 02:24:06 PM

Well, mabey if SMF team members didn't troll the topic about phpBB, one wouldn't have to reply as one did. However, if you don't like what I posted, then fine, but it is truth.

Jessica

Jessica, you don't need to get huffy about it. As I said in my other posts in this topic a few posts up from here, I STILL USE PHPBB ON MY SITE, while I wait (and wait and wait) for SMF 1.1 Final. I don't "troll" Digg any more than you "troll" the SMF forums, -- I simply read the phpBB announcement on Digg like thousands of others have. I did not express any "like" or "dislike" about what you posted on Digg -- I simply asked for others here to comment on what you had written so I could figure out if your allegations about SMF were true or not.

Part of what she wrote is partially correct.  Some of the things she pointed out have been fixed.  Just cause we don't release a patch or make an announcement doesn't mean we haven't looked into it.  These issues are very small issues so they can wait for a new release.  Not need for a patch.

Thanks, Jay. ;)

Quote from: ComputerBob on June 18, 2006, 02:35:36 PM
Jessica, you don't need to get huffy about it.

I didn't, I simply stated fact. Trekkie101 has affiliation with the SMF group as he is on their documentation team. It does not shed good light on to the SMF group to have one of their team members attempt to troll a discussion about phpBB 3 by saying things like SMF has a better security record. Regardless of if it is true or not, it doesn't belong in such a discussion, and really should not be posted by a SMF team member.

Jay: Although you might not make a release upon receiving a report, it is common courtesy to keep the reporter up to date with the progress of fixing the exploits. I've reported many exploits to other software, and by far SMF's replies have been the worst in terms of number and speed of their replies. (On the inverse, the best one I had asked me for my phone number as the follow up reply two minutes later, and after it was provided, I was on the phone to their Chief Software specialist who confirmed the issue with me, and we managed to fix it in ten minutes. The fix was then released two hours later..)

Jessica

You do know just cause someone's in one team doesn't mean they know nothing about another thing :P

Quote from: J J Williams on June 18, 2006, 03:24:38 PM
You do know just cause someone's in one team doesn't mean they know nothing about another thing :P

Of course, I wasn't stating that, but it is a bit pretentious to post about SMF in a phpBB story, is it not?

Jessica

I agree with you Jessica about Trekkies comment.  IMO it wasn't really needed.  1. It doesn't look good on SMF, 2. We have to give credit were is due.  Just like the SMF Dev's the phpBB Dev's have worked hard on getting phpBB where is at right now.  Wether is good or not it's all a matter of taste and opinion.

Quote from: Jessica on June 18, 2006, 03:18:43 PM

Quote from: ComputerBob on June 18, 2006, 02:35:36 PM
Jessica, you don't need to get huffy about it.

I didn't, I simply stated fact. Trekkie101 has affiliation with the SMF group as he is on their documentation team. It does not shed good light on to the SMF group to have one of their team members attempt to troll a discussion about phpBB 3 by saying things like SMF has a better security record. Regardless of if it is true or not, it doesn't belong in such a discussion, and really should not be posted by a SMF team member.

That makes sense, but it wasn't at all clear to me until now. Your post here, which quoted me, did not mention Trekkie 101, and I don't know anything about the SMF team, so it appeared to me that you were accusing me of trolling the phpBB thread. ;)

Quote from: ComputerBobYour post here, which quoted me, did not mention Trekkie 101, and I don't know anything about the SMF team, so it appeared to me that you were accusing me of trolling the phpBB thread.

I'm very sorry if it appeared that way :)

Jessica

Quote from: Jessica on June 18, 2006, 04:17:18 PM

I'm very sorry if it appeared that way :)

Jessica

No problem. ;)

Quote from: Kindred on June 18, 2006, 12:14:04 AM
first of all, the model you propose is unrealistic.

SMF is not really a company. The developers and support staff are not paid. So, your suggestions on the availablity of pay for more support than already exists (Charter membership) would pretty much require a paid staff and paid developers.  Unrealistic in the extreme.

And I disagree... the best products are ones that are stable, have support and meet a need in the marketplace (public or private). Having a product which is released prematurely to meet the demands of users is a sure road to the downfall of the product. Promising a release date is a sure way to get everyone in a tizzy "but you promised a release on such and such a date..." 
(just look at what has happened with The PhatCalPack. I have been working on it, but hit a snag and some real life issues...  I promised it back in February and then May...   and people are wondering why I haven't released it "on time".   The answer is, of course, I should have said "I'll release it when I am able".)

We have said, quite a number of times. The final release will come when it comes.   The SMF developers and team will not promise or predict a release date.

You are beating a dead horse. Get over it.

I am beating a dead horse ?  It must then smell awfully in here ;) Anyway, are you an official spokesman for Lewis Media, Inc to say a such thing or have such tight contact with those who decides, maybe Jeff ?  It's always good to know.

First of all, it´s not unrealistic, SMF have a business behind it self, or what do you call Lewis Media, Inc, a volunteer idea ?

Secondly I today checked that site and saw it have a Help Desk and aslo sells discussion forums, is it based on the code of SMF, it should be since they have the full license rights and nothing wrong then :)  But they shall also offer that payed Help Desk here also if it cover the same thing, money is good to give Jeff Lewis a better life and more time to develop.

This is also not a complete "open" or "free" project, read the licenses, its very strict and benefits very much Lewis Media, Inc and again I say the same, nothing wrong with that, I do understand the purpose with that, it's very smart for the future :)

And also, I has never seen any problems so far with ANY of my projects or any Internet opensource projects which offers CVS, roadmaps, have a wide userbase and some years on the neck that it has ever given them bad reputation or angry users since people knows what a opensource project is, it's in the most cases something people are maintaining on their available time they have left over.

I agree with you that stable products are the best ones, but you are talking against yourself when saying support is important at the same time you doesn't like Professional Support like helpdesks which companies can pay for to get an quick answer. Helpdesks are good for companies if they are in hurry, also if that brings in money to Lewis Media, Inc he can for sure hire someone who answers the phone or use a company which is selling such services cheap from ***** (doesnt say the country name, but you probably know where the good qualified workforce exists). But STILL this community shall co-exist to give the freebies a good window to ventilate their ideas and questions.

Jessica: I do like your comment you made, it was a very realistic comment which most doesnt understand about SMF bugs (and reporting them), and that this is not a "free" script package, just an "available" script source package with strict license. if it's bad or not is another story, depends on how this shall evolve :)

yes, at this point you are beating a dead horse. (if English is not your first language, look up the idiom)

No, I do not speak specifically for Lewis Media.

Yes, SMF has a helpdesk for Charter members.

And no...  paid telephone or other support from whatever country will not work...  not unless SMF moves to a different business model which includes paid-for-only software... which SMF has promised never to do.

Once again... I say unto you:  The SMF Developers will not state a "release date". Igt will be done and released when it is done and released. Period.   
Give it up already, your arguments just don't hold water here...