will the new SMF be compatible and useable with the different portal systems like phpnuke? or do we have to integrate this ourselfs??
It is more compatible. I will be writing an integration mod for it.
-[Unknown]
I've read somewhere that phpnuke uses as cookie the names user and admin, so, if another script that uses cookies in the same domain and have some variables named user and admin, there's a conflict that prevent the script cookies to be written (like yabbse).
could be true ?
YaBB SE had problems with this.
SMF does not.
-[Unknown]
I got past that problem by commenting out the code in YaBB SE that creates the cookie and instead pulling through the member name via the CMS.
???
Quotecommenting out the code in YaBB SE that creates the cookie
this means that everytime you visit thr forum you must re-login ?
Please make the mod fast :D
I have to integrate my YabbSE forum into my postnuke portal withtout loosing my messages....
So this moment will be a good moment to start using SMF and my postnuke-portal!!
Regards
Umm, SMF is still in Alpha. You're not going to be able to actually use it for a bit. There's a thread somewhere about dates (or maybe just in cm board, can't remember), but yeah, it's not coming out in a week or anything...
Methonis
I want to be very boring about this question ...
Phpnuke goes out with PhpBB, not with an integration, but with a module ( nuke module ;) ) : a ported version of PhpBB.
this means that phpnuke and phpbb share the same users table ( with same columns ) and the same IM system, and a lot of administrative features are disponible by nuke.
If I understand rightly, we've got to expect some more light integration from SMF :P ...
Well, I can at least make it integrated. It will take some modifications to both (phpNuke and SMF.) however.
That's why it won't work out of the box. phpBB doesn't even work out of the box.... just out of the phpNuke box.
-[Unknown]
it takes time to work stuff out when trying to have it work with a portal like phpnuke there is alwasys problem that come up when you think its perferct
Great idea to make a SMF-nuke packet :) I think a lot of webmasters are waiting for a fast combination of Phpnuke & SMF. Tests will show that SMF is much faster then Phpbb2 ;D
QuoteI've read somewhere that phpnuke uses as cookie the names user and admin, so, if another script that uses cookies in the same domain and have some variables named user and admin, there's a conflict that prevent the script cookies to be written (like yabbse).
could be true ?
this what i've written, and the answer is: yes it's true.
when nuke writes cookies uses user, so when yabbse ( which uses $user as global ) looks for cookie, find the encrypted name and password of nuke and don't permit users to login.
solution: i've changed every $user and $username into $yabbuser and $yabbusername ( even in the form input ), and now everythings works fine.
I guess this is already changed in SMF, maybe in the same way.
SMF has the issue fixed, yes.
-[Unknown]
Quote from: jami on August 30, 2003, 08:45:31 AM
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Quotecommenting out the code in YaBB SE that creates the cookie
this means that everytime you visit thr forum you must re-login ?
No this means that it is using the CMS (XOOPS in the case mentioned) session rather than it's own individual session. The key with a CMS is being integrated.
Quote from: [Unknown] on August 16, 2003, 03:16:52 AM
It is more compatible. I will be writing an integration mod for it.
-[Unknown]
Is this intergration mod avable with the release of SMF? Do you think :D
QuoteNo this means that it is using the CMS (XOOPS in the case mentioned) session rather than it's own individual session. The key with a CMS is being integrated.
this is very interesting ...
can you explain more or a in a step by step instruction, this procedure ? I don't understand how yabbse use the CMS session ( phpnuke ? ) instead of it's own ...
You have to change everything in it to look at the other's method of authentication. It can be a pain.
As such, I have no aspirations of getting it finished before SMF.
-[Unknown]
This integration would be cool. :D
Quote from: Owdy on February 24, 2004, 12:49:18 PM
This integration would be cool. :D
Very cool indeed.
Edit:
@[Unknown] (or anyone who knows) - If one were to run phpnuke and SMF side by side now, in anticipation of an integration at some point in the future, how should it be set up as far as directory structure or naming of cookies in order to make it the easiest transition later?
I'd put SMF in like Modules/SMF or something...
-[Unknown]
Quote from: defensieforum on August 30, 2003, 11:09:02 AM
Please make the mod fast :D
I have to integrate my YabbSE forum into my postnuke portal withtout loosing my messages....
So this moment will be a good moment to start using SMF and my postnuke-portal!!
Regards
Oh yes, I'm a postnuke user, and an interegation would be awesome..
Do we have any additional information concerning SMF's compatibility with phpnuke? I have someone creating a phpnuke portal for me and he's been very interested into this compatibility situation.
Well, it doesn't have any conflicts like YaBB SE did, but actual *integration* is not ready because I haven't had time yet.
-[Unknown]
Quote from: [Unknown] on April 17, 2004, 02:08:12 AM
Well, it doesn't have any conflicts like YaBB SE did, but actual *integration* is not ready because I haven't had time yet.
-[Unknown]
That's cool, if it'd be possible to have perhaps an e-mailed announcement when integration is complete I'd be very thankful so I can let me guy know. Or, if anyone knows of how to go about doing this now with phpnuke I'd be grateful for that too.
Well please do send us something when it is done.
Also is there a way we could sort of intergate it now, our selfs. Like setting the link to our fourms, insted of going dereckly to the built in one?
Quote from: wendylady on April 17, 2004, 10:28:58 PM
Also is there a way we could sort of intergate it now, our selfs. Like setting the link to our fourms, insted of going dereckly to the built in one?
To find out how to customize the phpnuke menus/blocks and themes, you can find details on the phpnuke sites, try this:
http://www.phpnuke.org/modules.php?name=PHP-Nuke_HOWTO
Hmmm... according to one of the news articles there, they're going to work on dropping phpBB from their system (:D) and replacing it with their own forum system because of the direction the system is going...
Quote from: Oldiesmann on April 23, 2004, 02:02:06 PM
Hmmm... according to one of the news articles there, they're going to work on dropping phpBB from their system (:D) and replacing it with their own forum system because of the direction the system is going...
I don't know whether I should be happy or sad about that. I wonder if making their own forum software will cause SMF integration to become more difficult or easier or no difference.
The way phpNuke is heading, they won't want you messing with the code. They pretty much don't want to deal with problems caused by people modifying the code. They want to keep it all nice and neat and fast and stuff, instead of letting people do what they want with it.
EDIT: Check this out. http://www.phpnuke.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=5640
Hmmm... Looks like people told them how stupid that idea was. They're not going closed-source after all. Check out the link at the bottom of that article.
Hi all you SMF gods,
I'm really new to this forum and to SMF but I think this is the one I want to use :D
Here is my Question:
I use the free CPG-Nuke from http://www.cpgnuke.com and I'd like to change the build in phpbb.
Is there any experience?
yah i'm trying to do this too
is there any news about the intergration of smf into php nuke system ?
Quote from: drf on October 01, 2004, 05:13:49 AM
is there any news about the intergration of smf into php nuke system ?
Maybe you should read another topic in this board ;)
Quote from: Kris on October 01, 2004, 05:50:33 AM
Quote from: drf on October 01, 2004, 05:13:49 AM
is there any news about the intergration of smf into php nuke system ?
Maybe you should read another topic in this board ;)
which one is that? :-X
I think he was talking about this (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=17166.0) topic, but that is for PostNuke, not PHP-Nuke.
- Rpg Cyco
Quote from: Rpg Cyco on October 01, 2004, 06:25:43 AM
I think he was talking about this (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=17166.0) topic, but that is for PostNuke, not PHP-Nuke.
- Rpg Cyco
thank you guys.. im moving to postnuke by now.. 8)
Hi all.... I am new here, but not new to PHP Nuke. I and others operate a PHP Nuke support website, and we are making a decision as to whether to "fork" or not to "fork" the lastest 7.5 version of PHP Nuke. We are unhappy with the phpbb, and other parts that are of need of optimization, and we see that the PHP Nuke originators are not actively pursuing this.
If we decide to create a new "fork" of PHP Nuke, we will make sure to create something that uses current and future modules and blocks. Not sure yet about themes, but if anything, we would improve the current PHP Nuke theme system.
To that end, we are currently looking at this very good SMF system. And we are discussing about how to maybe use what is already built in, and to possibly port it as is or with as few modifications as possible.
I would welcome any comments here or by using the Feedback module on our website:
http://www.nukehelp.biz
Not sure what I was thinking above.... sure, leave some input here.....
Anyone? Any thoughts with having SMF as a forum with a new PHP Nuke fork?
thanks....
Although SMF is going to have IPB Portals enmeshed I still think it'd be awesome to have phpnuke intwined with SMF too.
We are strongly pursuing doing this. We are now creating a fork of PHP Nuke where the modules, etc. are compatible, but we are wanting to replace phpbb, for reasons all are aware. We want to make this fork "Quick and Secure", optimizing code, removing unnecessary features and modules, coding in more security, and adding in modules, etc. to make it a better distribution.
If anyone has a start on the porting for PHP Nuke, please contact me/us. No need to duplicate efforts.....
I know you've posted this twice, spottedhog, but I'm afraid you won't get the answers you're seeking by posting on the forum. I suggest you send a personal message to Jeff Lewis and/or David.
If you have any problems integrating SMF with any portal or CMS software, tell me and I'll try to address the issue....
Also note that my only personal concern here is copyrights. Whenever dealing with forks, I always see bad blood and stuff... is this a clean fork? Are you keeping their copyrights intact, and respecting their intellectual property?
-[Unknown]
All copyrights will not be touched. We are not out to steal anything, but instead, make something by putting it together in a better way, and using better inputs.
Actually, we have been kicking around calling it "SMF-Nuke", mainly because we feel that SMF adds the most importance to the "fork".
Not much has been done yet, but I know we would do as little as possible in changing any code, and most certainly will not change the copyrights. If anything, we may combine the PHP Nuke and SMF copyrights into one footer. It sure would not bother me to put SMF in front of PHP Nuke in all copyrights, etc. :-)
I will try and contact those names you gave.
Thanks!!!
spottedhog
Will there all so be a way to convert my PHPNUKE site to your new and improved version? And will this all so convert the PHBB forum? :)
yes..... that is the intention......
We are making it NOT a phpnuke module, but keeping it as a standalone, but still integrated. There will be conversion scripts for users to run to convert to SMF.
SMF is just head and shoulders above phpbb..... at least when integrated its features into phpnuke.
I should have a working demo up later today..... It is not fully done, but we have a good start on it.
8)
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I was wandering how the project is going? ??? Can i see or download the files somewhere? And, more importend, is the an "easy" way to convert? :-\
The smf integration with php nuke is going along with very few problems, at least right now. There are not any files yet to download, but a few productive days will change that.
I will post here when we do....
We will be creating conversion files for this to make changing as simple as possible.
thanks!
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
GREAT !!!!.. I'LL be waiting !! 8) 8)
I'm waiting for this one as well. Got an insanely large project just waiting for this integration... and I don't know smf code well enough to do that integration myself! :) I look forward to hearing about any progress. Heck if you have some "long techy steps" to convert, I would appreciate that too...
Well the weekend is over again. This means 2 fulldays of development ;D
My guest is that we will hear from them to day (I mean I HOPE) ::)
I'm not sure if spotteddog is really working on this much, or just isn't interested in keeping the community updated with the progress of this project. Is there anyone else working on a phpnuke port?
Ohh he is working allright...
I know he has cookie problems... :'( :'(
But then again I have all the confidence in him ;D
That's cool. :) I re-read my post many days later.. I wasn't trying to be a [censor] just wanted to know if there were any other phpnuke impliments going on.
I'm almost done with my site, hopefully there will be complete conversion instructions. I am, unfortunately, going to have to launch with phpbb, but hope to move back to smf as soon as possible. :) The tough part is now converting from smf to phpbb... I can get everything to transfer over EXCEPT the passwords are encrypted with an unknown salt. Anyone have any info on how I can convert smf passwords into phpbb?
Quote from: spottedhog on October 08, 2004, 09:32:56 PM
Hi all.... I am new here, but not new to PHP Nuke. I and others operate a PHP Nuke support website, and we are making a decision as to whether to "fork" or not to "fork" the lastest 7.5 version of PHP Nuke. We are unhappy with the phpbb, and other parts that are of need of optimization, and we see that the PHP Nuke originators are not actively pursuing this.
If we decide to create a new "fork" of PHP Nuke, we will make sure to create something that uses current and future modules and blocks. Not sure yet about themes, but if anything, we would improve the current PHP Nuke theme system.
To that end, we are currently looking at this very good SMF system. And we are discussing about how to maybe use what is already built in, and to possibly port it as is or with as few modifications as possible.
I would welcome any comments here or by using the Feedback module on our website:
http://www.nukehelp.biz
wondering if spottedhog was still working on this or if anyone knew what came of his work, the newsite is inactive now....
:-\
O crap... If this is becouse he conferted his site to SMF it doesn't look good... :-[
But i will try to contact him and let y'all know what is going on....
Any idea on the status of integrating SMF with PHP Nuke? I'm really looking forward to using this.
Thanks
Anyone is working on this?
I realy want to use PhpNuke and SMF together........ Please let me know if you still working on this ;)
hmm my only idea on the passwords deal is to figure out how to have SMF call md5 encoded passwords or of course you could do the opposite by figuring out how SMF passwords are encrypted and changing phpnuke to understand that. I am pondering the whole idea of converting phpnuke on my own also. I wil however package it with many extras that are available for phpnuke so that people will not have to go find and install them, f anyone is familiar with it I am involved with phpnuke Platinum which does just that but still uses phpbb and I am hoping to replace phpbb with SMF. :D
hmm I seem to be having some problems jumping through db hoops I am going to have to take a look at changing up a couple of the ways the db is called because I am having trouble with it looking for my mysql.php file in the wrong place and all kinds of good stuff like that, basically I just need to tell it to use the standard nuke files instead of it's own, so sometime in the next week I might be able to take a good stab at that.
I love phpnuke-Platinum but it has one serious drawback, the phpbb forums! I for one will be looking forward to being able to use it with SMF.
If you need any help with a beta test, please let me know. I'll be willing to try it.
Yeah I'm sure I will need several, I killed the db errror I think, but now I am getting blank pages and I am not sure what is causing em, so off I go again... :)
Note: I will probably have my own flavor of Platinum because I am not sure that TechGFX wants to be affiliated with this project so I will probably go find most of the mods and add them myself, and like I said in the Olate topic, I might decide to package that in there as well. I will have to see if I can manage to get a good sized list of mods that everyone wants to put in there once I get this thing up and running.
If you need any help, please let me know. I'm not great at coding but I will help where I can.
I suggest you look at smf_api.php on the downloads page.
-[Unknown]
to me the smf_api don't help to resolve the main problem ... which is the use of two different "user" tables ( with the relative create/edit/delete issue ). the only thing you can do with smf_api is let the user register on nuke and manually add the user to smf ( only one registration, on nuke cause several modules needs the data in the nuke_user table ), so you can use the smf_api function to log the user on smf.
for example, some simple problems:
- when a user is nuke registered, you can't take his password for his smf registration
- if a user change the password in smf so there's no consistency with nuke, how can smf_setLoginCookie log the user if the passwords are not the same ?
- if a user log himself firstly on smf, on nuke is not logged
i believe the solution is a massive SMF mod, simply 'cause nuke code is ( euphemistically - ??? ) too confused. there' s even the chance that a working smf mod will not work with the very frequent new version of php-nuke.
but maybe i'm wrong ...
the easiest way to do this would be to have them use the same encryption at which point you could simply modify the coding to look for the right tables, which is just a simple bu ttime consuming operation, the only challenging part, atleast for me would be to set them to the same encryption.
Quote from: jami on February 04, 2005, 04:38:53 PM
- when a user is nuke registered, you can't take his password for his smf registration
No? I'm pretty sure it's just MD5'd, in which case you can - SMF will automatically upgrade it.
Quote- if a user change the password in smf so there's no consistency with nuke, how can smf_setLoginCookie log the user if the passwords are not the same ?
This would require a small change to SMF's code in Profile.php. I can point you to exactly where, and it could easily be done with a package.
Quote- if a user log himself firstly on smf, on nuke is not logged
Again, a package.
Quotei believe the solution is a massive SMF mod
Then you break all other mods for SMF. Better to use both tables and modify as little as possible.
-[Unknown]
well I think that I might be able to do something with a somewhat stable modified version but I can't seem to get the "want" to continue with trying to convert this.
sure, a developer knows where to put his hands, and he can use half the time any other require, even if skilled ...
so there's no developer in charge of this :D ?
The frustrating part is that unknown seems to have all of the answers, but nothing has been cranked out for this. I'm at a point right now with our platinum site where phpbb is pretty much barfing on itself... an example, posts that were deleted weeks ago are cropping up all over the place. Posts in one forum are showing up in others (our admin section, for example...) randomly.
I am at a point right now where this simply needs to be done. We have used SMF for many months prior to switching to PHPNuke; it's a great forum program but for dozens of thousands of users, we needed to provide more content which only a portal could provide. If someone needs proper "motivation" to complete this project, I will pay €100 (about $130 U.S.) to complete a professional solution to integrate SMF with PHPNuke Platinum.
I say "professional" as in a solid code solution, not a hacked-up round-about way of sorta making it work. ;) I'm a pretty good code wiz, but not so good with SQL database manipulation, which is the heart of this whole thing.
However time is of the essence. If you think you may be able to come up with a solution to this problem, please feel free to contact me directly either through PM here or at
[email protected]. I'm more than happy to help any way I can.
--Ipggi
Quote from: ipggi on February 10, 2005, 10:16:42 PM
The frustrating part is that unknown seems to have all of the answers, but nothing has been cranked out for this. I'm at a point right now with our platinum site where phpbb is pretty much barfing on itself...
What?! I'm sorry, but there are a lot of things I do every day. I have quite a few clients, who pay me by the hour, I have to manage the development of SMF 1.0.x, 1.1, *and* on top of that help out those who want to make integrations.
I do not have time for this. Even if I did, I would not have time to *SUPPORT* it. Another party is going to have to make it, and support it. It's pretty much the only way it's going to work. Blaming me for knowing SMf inside and out (because I wrote it) is definitely going to get you nowhere farther than where you started.
QuoteI am at a point right now where this simply needs to be done.
I'm sorry, but still it doesn't seem right to be frustrated with me when I could make what you're offering in a LOT LESS TIME than it would take to make this integration, anyway. I'm sure someone will do it, given the demand. If not, people will probably go to Mambo.
-[Unknown]
Heh well knowing SMF inside and out means you have all the answers. :) I never said you had all the time. But I've been looking around the site, and you give enough code corrections and suggestions for doing something like this, that it would take less time to simply write up a conversion kit. Now, I understand the demands of time are pressing, which is why I offered to provide financial incentive to anyone else that may be willing to complete this project. If you release it great, if someone else great, I'm willing to pay whoever releases it financial compensation for their time and effort.
I hope you don't think for a moment that I don't appreciate the work you do, as that would be insane; I really want to use this program, because in my professional opinion it is simply the best forum program available to date. The code is very clean, it runs extremely smoothe, and to date our record has been over 1000 users using it at the same time... PHPBB starts to crap out at around 400 or so, invision even lower. That is quite an accomplishment. I would really like to see this go a step farther and become a complete replacement solution for the other forum programs, and phpnuke is a very popular portal.
Ciao,
--Ipggi
So there is a workin SMF intergration, but it cannot read the Userdata Of Phpnuke yet???
I just wanted to know if I understood this the right way.
Well What do I have to do to get SMf working, just Upload the stuff and reunthe install.php ... What Tables do i have to add? (well Im not really in this PhP stuff but a friend is )
Would be cool If there was a workin Phpnuke Integration (mainly because PhpBB ***** )
Have fun programmin. :D
Greetz
Flami
no, you've not understood - cause there's no working integration. only few ideas of how to make it.
Quote from: jami on February 27, 2005, 06:06:02 AM
no, you've not understood - cause there's no working integration. only few ideas of how to make it.
:'(
well quess we still gotta wait
Hi...... I know what I am about to suggest is not a true integration, but it does work.
Why not create a Forum module using an Iframe and putting SMF in it? I know this means 2 sets of user logins..... but in most cases, that is not a big deal really. SMF you can set the session to be forever.... Here is a link to see the generalities:
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=29583.0
no no no
Jay........ here is a link to what I was proposing....
http://www.sewconn.com
Quote from: spottedhog on March 10, 2005, 03:25:44 PM
Jay........ here is a link to what I was proposing....
http://www.sewconn.com
hmmm......
It's blank......
Quote from: spottedhog on March 04, 2005, 04:56:31 PM
Why not create a Forum module using an Iframe and putting SMF in it? I know this means 2 sets of user logins..... but in most cases, that is not a big deal really. SMF you can set the session to be forever.... Here is a link to see the generalities:
SpottedHog;
I tried this on a clan site I've been developing (nuke7.4 on the main, and phpBB 2.08 standalone for forums at the time) , and the amount of grief it caused me in terms of users logging into one site, and not the other, cookies expiring at different times and for different reasons, etc it cause me to drop the whole idea and go back to the integrated version, which then caused more grief (but that's a nuke issue, as you and I both know too well).
I think what you were trying to do with SMF-Nuke was worthwhile, but the integration really does need to work out of the box, otherwise first time users may be put off by the tweaking and hacking they have to do.
Let me know how you go with the continuation of the SMF-Nuke project, I know Dove and Beetraham did the SMF-Nuke domains that were dicsussed, and have been chartering their process, and Psychomarine took his own path with fixing the session ID issue in the cookies we experienced.
so has anyone figured out how to integrate phpnuke and smf together? I have looked through the thread, but couldn't find anything that specified what one would have to do to impliment it.
it isn't necessary to have smf open into php nuke (a new page is fine), but would really like to have the same member database for both. it is a real pain to get everyone to sign up for both and have to sign in to both
thank you in advance
already some news ???
I haven't really messed in php that much or nething, but is there a way just to bridge the two databases by setting something up so that when you create/modify something in nuke or something in smf that it will look at that and make the changes in the other? You could still keep the two databases seperate (something I wish I could eliminate, but what the hey)...
Someone I talked to a while back told me that this was indeed possible coding it in php or even C, but you would have to break down alot of code to see what is being called where (in all instances that one or the other could be modified) and synch them.
Maybe that helps, maybe that's what you've been trying, and/or maybe it just confuses the matter, but at least it's posted.... ::)