The current SMF permissions set up is some of the most complicated wacked out permissions settings I have ever seen
it's way too complicated, guess access and permissions don't seem to relate well with one another when they should,
I recommend only having one permissions screen where you can set both access and permissions and what you set there is set through out all boards period no jumping back n forth either they have the access or permission or they don't,
the way it is currently leaves way too many accidental permissions and access when we don't even know it
i find my self having to set all boards one by one to local and set up individual permissions its very time consuming
the access and permissions really need to work hand in hand,
ie if guest can access board a (these are the permissions set for guest)
simple
What you want is all included in SMF permissions. Just go to permissions > settings and you will find how to simplify permission settings.
I've reviewed all the permissions setup and instructions, it's really confusing and can leave room for accidental settings, I've found the membergroup permissions does little if anything unless you set all boads to local and do them individual, maybe i'm missing something but that's the issue there's too much that can be missed or not done right due to too many screen levels, if everything was combined into one screen then it would be easy to take one membergroup and set all permissions for everything for that group (EZ).
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in a membergroup setting there's one for enter the board, yet in board settings there same one for enter the board this creates confusing to the eyes, you can not set all boards to global and rely on just membergroup settings because if you have checked enter the board it means they can enter any board,
or if a guest can not see the board but they click on see recent posts they can read posts on boads they have no access to its really a head spinning experience he he
phpbb permissions set up was a snap and could taylor it all from one screen
Access control is best to be left outside permissions IMO (Although I do think it should get a deny option too). If it was a permission then that would mean 40% of my boards would need local permissions, rather than the 10% it currently is.
a simple observation
you set board to global and allow membergroup - 1 to see the board, in their settings they can enter board which means they can enter any board they can see, this would make more sense if the boards/permissions were combined that way "enter the board" means they can enter only the boards you check inside their group permissions,
the phrase enter the board is too open ended, there should be a permissions to enter what board
I suppose it works out as long as they can not see the board, but is not being able to see the board the same as not having access to the board, i've seen that if they view recent posts they can still see the posts to boards they aren't visible to them, very odd behavior
when you have 50 boards all set to local having to go inside each board check who can see them and then have to open up permissions and set each groups permissions is a pain and time consuming, you can use the predefined but then you still have to redit each group because some items may or may not be checked, is there a way to edit the predefined permissions ?
phpbb made it so much easier to set permissions, it wasn't rocket science.
At the very least, i'd recomend a way to set local permissions easier without having to open up every single board and customize permissions for each group, if there were another way that allowed you to set them all at the same time would be cool, having to open up 50 boards and set permisisons for 5+ groups for each board can take a few hours
You can copy permissions between boards remember. So you only need to set it once.
My question would be why you have 50 boards all set to local. Do you really have that many different combinations of permissions that you need to use? If most of your local permissions are very similar (or are the same) then that should be how your global permissions are set up.
Board access is set on a board-by-board basis and is not the same as the board permissions. When you first create a board, you say which groups can access it. You change this by going to modify the board and not through permissions. It's only those who can access a board that the permissions apply to (if they can't access it, there's just no question about what they're permitted to do).
I think it's this mass of local permissions and wide open access which allows your guests to view boards (or recent posts) they shouldn't be able to. I have only two or three boards on local permissions. But guests can only access a single board. And they don't see recent posts from any board but that one.
But if you do set up local you only do have to set up one group the way you want and you can select all those you want to be the same (the checkboxes), select from a dropdown the group you want to make them the same as, and press one button. There's no need to do it for every group individually.
You're right. It shouldn't be rocket science. But I don't think that it is.
As a note, while we have not simplified the permission system we did make them easier in the DE version. While I won't go into full detail right now (just in case we need to change some stuff) I will say that the overall affect will make managing permissions easier.
Now that I'm used to it, it's no big deal. But, I found it very daunting, at first.
It's good to hear that that's been given some attention.
Lainaus käyttäjältä: bugsmi0 - kesäkuu 15, 2006, 01:22:32 IP
phpbb made it so much easier to set permissions, it wasn't rocket science.
phpBB's permission system doesn't allow you to do nearly half as much as SMF's so there is little point compairing them.
Lainaus käyttäjältä: Ben_S - kesäkuu 16, 2006, 12:06:44 IP
Lainaus käyttäjältä: bugsmi0 - kesäkuu 15, 2006, 01:22:32 IP
phpbb made it so much easier to set permissions, it wasn't rocket science.
phpBB's permission system doesn't allow you to do nearly half as much as SMF's so there is little point compairing them.
I would beg to differ, phpbb does as much as SMF even more when you add some of the permissions mods, perhaps not defined like SMF but they do make it so easy to see who gets permission to what unlike SMF, i am only now beginning to understand SMF permissions but it still doesn't make it any easier, its a complicated setup (no doubt about that) and from all the posts here about permissions problems that's the proof that it could use some simple tweaking. I think you can tell an easy set up when you can look at one screen and have a birds eye view of who gets what witihout having to click on too many items or do guess work. One really has to know the SMF permissions well to make use of it
Lainaus käyttäjältä: bugsmi0 - kesäkuu 16, 2006, 12:32:12 IP
I would beg to differ, phpbb does as much as SMF even more when you add some of the permissions mods, perhaps not defined like SMF but they do make it so easy to see who gets permission to what unlike SMF, i am only now beginning to understand SMF permissions but it still doesn't make it any easier, its a complicated setup (no doubt about that) and from all the posts here about permissions problems that's the proof that it could use some simple tweaking. I think you can tell an easy set up when you can look at one screen and have a birds eye view of who gets what witihout having to click on too many items or do guess work. One really has to know the SMF permissions well to make use of it
phpBB permission system is easy because it has nothing inside.
If you want to have a quick look at permissions, use "Generate reports" feature in the admin panel.