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Started by dschwab9, January 19, 2008, 02:02:07 AM

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rsw686

Quote from: alperuzi on January 20, 2008, 02:34:13 PM
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Asus boards are good quality, I've had 2 and never had a problem with them. I use the Q-fan feature and find it to be a great addition to my quiet PC. I have no problems with thermal monitoring and find the Athlon X2 to be a cool and reliable CPU. The thermal diode is actually inside the CPU, so the CPU does its own monitoring, but again, its all setup from the BIOS.

That's fine. I'm just saying that out of the 4 Abit, 1 Intel, 1 Gigabyte, and 3 Asus boards I've bought the only ones that have failed are all of the Asus boards.

I know the diode is in the CPU. I was just stating that Intel chips starting with the P4 don't rely on the motherboard the CPU will shut down itself if it exceeds the thermal limit. AMD only relays this to the motherboard and lets it decide.

Quote from: dschwab9 on January 20, 2008, 02:51:17 PMYou obviously don't know a whole lot about servers.   You can't just buy any stick of RAM and stick in any motherboard.  ECC RAM won't work in a board that doesn't support it.   Also, ECC RAM or not is totally unrelated to CPU temperature.<br />

Actually I do. I build my own servers, have a rack in the basement, and host my own sites. The ASUS board for the AMD X2 chip takes DDR2 ECC or non ECC memory. 95% of the boards produced now support ECC memory. There is no reason not to use it if your data is critical. Look at the servers Dell builds, they all come with ECC memory.

ECC is different than buffered memory. Most don't support buffered memory, but they do support ECC memory.
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Quote from: rsw686 on January 20, 2008, 09:36:18 AM
Asus boards are horribly unreliable. I have 3 for 3 where something has failed.

It depends on the model. ASUS is sourced by a lot of OEMs (as is MSI) and they are fairly decent. (Their lower-cost Asrock aren't as much.) It simply sounds like you've had a bad batch.


Quote from: rsw686 on January 20, 2008, 09:36:18 AM
An AMD chip with no built in thermal protection.

True of the older Athlon and Athlon XP models, but the 64 series does have a built-in thermal sensor and protection. This is probably why the chips weren't hot charcoal. (Max die temp for that series is 90c I believe.)


Quote from: rsw686 on January 20, 2008, 09:36:18 AM
And user error of not checking all the bios settings and stress testing with CPU Burn In or the like.

Usually, you should expect that the BIOS defaults are safe settings. If you have to check each and every one you are either way overboard on control or you need to change the board maker you are using.


Quote from: dschwab9 on January 20, 2008, 02:52:42 PMIsn't there another diode other then the CPU though?   The BIOS reports a CPU temp and a "System temp".   On this machine, the system temp was relatively low, so I suspect that diode was near the front of the case where the air intake it.

It depends on the board layout. There usually is a different sensor so you can get the general ambient inside the case. Usually, that sensor is by or inside the southbridge. Depending on the case design , that could be near the intake.



Quote from: rsw686 on January 20, 2008, 02:56:27 PM
Actually I do. I build my own servers, have a rack in the basement, and host my own sites. The ASUS board for the AMD X2 chip takes DDR2 ECC or non ECC memory. 95% of the boards produced now support ECC memory. There is no reason not to use it if your data is critical. Look at the servers Dell builds, they all come with ECC memory.

Which ASUS board and which chipset? You do realize there are multiple chipsets available for that processor, right?


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dschwab9

Don't have the manual in front of me, so don't know if it supports it or not, but that's irrelevant to the problem we had.

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Quote from: dschwab9I could post a list of 20 motherboards here and I wouldn't get a response from someone about each and every one of them being horrible.

Also, about using AMD being a bad idea - I can't go for that.&nbsp;  AMD has some of the top performing CPU's out there and is probably in use in 50% of the web servers out there.
I have to chime in with what Derek posted and am in complete agreeance with both of the above quoted statements.

HW failures occur for a multitude of reasons.  Might want to ease off a bit unless you were there and know the whole story (even I don't know the whole story, nor do I want to).

Also, AMD is what powered the sites in my sig below.  These sites, even on a clustered environment choked to death even more so on Intel based machines.
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dschwab9

For anyone who wants to analyze the location of the temp sensors, here's a pic of the failed machine

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I'm still receiving an error message:

Connection Problems

Sorry, SMF was unable to connect to the database. This may be caused by the server being to busy. Please try again later.

Is anyone else still unable to access their forums?

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That has nothing to do with the downtime this site had :)
You can always ask for support about that in the support boards.

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Quote from: dschwab9 on January 20, 2008, 03:06:30 PM
For anyone who wants to analyze the location of the temp sensors, here's a pic of the failed machine

Just take it all out ;)

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hardware downtime is always a hard thing to recover. Great job derek and thanks for all. ;)
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Quote from: dschwab9 on January 20, 2008, 02:52:42 PM
Quote from: alperuzi on January 20, 2008, 02:34:13 PM
@rsw686

Asus boards are good quality, I've had 2 and never had a problem with them. I use the Q-fan feature and find it to be a great addition to my quiet PC. I have no problems with thermal monitoring and find the Athlon X2 to be a cool and reliable CPU. The thermal diode is actually inside the CPU, so the CPU does its own monitoring, but again, its all setup from the BIOS.

Isn't there another diode other then the CPU though?   The BIOS reports a CPU temp and a "System temp".   On this machine, the system temp was relatively low, so I suspect that diode was near the front of the case where the air intake it.
Yes, theres two on the motherboard and one inside the CPU I think. I'm not sure which diode the BIOS reads as CPU though, its own or the one in the cpu.
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Not sure if anyone has noticed but it seems that the themes files are corrupted, I haven had any succesfful downloads or the ones I have , have had corrupted zip files

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That's the result of the site going down. The theme authors I'm sure will re-upload them shortly.

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Gary

If you can be specific on which themes are actually corrupted, we can take care of it and contact the authors to re-upload the packages.

Though, many of them, if not all, have been restored now.
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Quote from: Dannymh on January 22, 2008, 01:41:58 AM
Not sure if anyone has noticed but it seems that the themes files are corrupted, I haven had any succesfful downloads or the ones I have , have had corrupted zip files

It' said in the few first posts of this subject.....

Other question for me:

Which is exactly the system use for smf site servers hosting?

And more the backups...
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Quote from: Gazmanafc on January 22, 2008, 07:27:49 AM
If you can be specific on which themes are actually corrupted, we can take care of it and contact the authors to re-upload the packages.

Though, many of them, if not all, have been restored now.

The list is pretty long man. I have not had 1 successful theme download (I checked with other downloads from this site that all worked.

I also just retried one of them and didn't want to go back through them all. here is the one i re-tried
http://custom.simplemachines.org/themes/index.php?lemma=335

Looks like it may be best to just ask everyone to re-uplaod them

Dan

Gary

Alright thanks for the report, but do try to find as many as possible.
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Are they downloading an appearing as corrupted files or not downloading at all?

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