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Started by hottakes, February 27, 2023, 07:22:46 AM

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Arantor

It does? That's so not obvious that you get presented with an email box and can just next through it.

Aleksi "Lex" Kilpinen

Yup, didn't test if it would go through to the end, but it did allow just pressing "Next" and getting to the next page. I was honestly surprised and would not have even tried without this discussion.
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Random Username

I think it's a good idea as an option. You can get disposable email addresses. If they forget their password, they can make a new account. I don't send any emails to members ever anyway, unless they go in and set to receive them on their own.

Kindred

As already stated... it's not going to happen in the core product (and any mod to do so would have to re-write large sections of the core product)


just a few points...
The email is used as an alternative login
email is used for lost password
email is used for notifications
email is used to announcements and newsletter mail-to members
in 2.0 some members could email another (via a form)

I'm sure there are also a few other points that I missed.




Your edge cases do not indicate that we should even consider the major changes needed to remove the requirement -- let alone to make it another option to confuse admins.
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Sesquipedalian

If you really want this, you're best bet would be to hire someone to create a mod that would allow the email address to be left empty on the registration form and then automatically generate a throwaway email address for the user if the email address is in fact left empty.

If you do try this, you'll want to make sure that those throwaway addresses are with a service that (1) really exists and (2) just silently discards anything sent to nonexistent addresses. Otherwise you'll get lots of bounce messages coming back to your SMF webmaster email address. This might be of interest in that regard.
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Random Username

Personally, I think the forum emailing people is spam. I don't see a problem with those broken features, for my sites. I'm going to tell my developer to do it.

Kindred

So, you don't care that people won't be able to recover a lost password?

Every time you "insist" on a change like this, you remind me of why I would never ever want to use your forum....  practically every feature you have altered goes against good UX policies.
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Aleksi "Lex" Kilpinen

Quote from: Random Username on March 01, 2023, 11:43:06 PMPersonally, I think the forum emailing people is spam. I don't see a problem with those broken features, for my sites. I'm going to tell my developer to do it.
Just noticed this - You know, 2.1 doesn't really send much email by default, and with some proper configuration you can basically cut that down to no email at all unless specifically requested by the user.
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Random Username

"Every time you "insist" on a change like this, you remind me of why I would never ever want to use your forum....  practically every feature you have altered goes against good UX policies."

Kindred, I'm truly sorry you are so annoyed. Listen, some of the things I've talked about here, I didn't end up doing. Some I have reversed for reasons I didn't consider. Some stuff is just peculiar to one site I'm running and isn't applied to the other and soon to be others. Why such hostility about it all? There is none on my end.


Arantor

Because we've learned in the (many) years doing this that being super blunt is the only way to get through to people about changes we know have major consequences that have absolutely not been thought through.

Random Username

Well, bluntness and hostility played no impact on any of my decisions. There was one change I was talked out of but not because of the hostility. There was one change I reversed due to changing needs and the rest are decided by the customer, not me. But things are generally working great. I like customizing so I explore lots of ideas. Cheers

Arantor

The customer is not always right ;)

Random Username

I didn't say the customer is always right. I said the rest of these particular decisions was made by them. The customer is always right in terms of the aggregate demand for a product, however, unless you get government subsidies/bailouts/etc or something.

Kindred

Blunt  !=  hostile

Don't assume that I am being hostile just because I call your decisions ill-thought.

And no, the customer,  even in aggregate, is frequently wrong.
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Random Username

No, the customer is always right in the aggregate. Fail to satisfy them, and you're out of business. That's wrong, if you want your business to succeed. I judge you extremely hostile. Perhaps it stems from saying I am a libertarian. You do seem to have a bias there. I would just add you to the ignore list, honestly. Will that work for you?

Arantor

Nah, he figured that out without you even saying it.

And if the customer were truly right in aggregate, why is it that so many customer-hostile businesses continue to succeed?

Random Username

No, he didn't. Let's ask him. I know he is an honest bloke. Kindred, did you know I was a libertarian before I said so? As for the question, Arantor, about how customer hostile businesses might survive, this is obviously a reference to a subjective assessment of what constitutes hostile to the customer. As an economist, I cannot engage in such a discussion, have no comment. What I can say is that any business has to make more money than it spends or it will pass, even with government support. Because that support will inevitably end. But this is not much of an assertion. All businesses fail, eventually.

I can elaborate at great length on economics if you wish.

landyvlad

Let's keep politics out of this please.

No idea, random username why you felt in necessary to mention you are a libertarian at all.
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If you want to put Kindred - a 'Lead Support Specialist' on ignore then you have no right to complain about any lack of responses or support in future. 

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What I think about Libertarians has nothing to do with any comments I have made to @Random Username regarding their support requests. If I call a support request idiotic -- well, then, there it is (and, no, that is not hostility, that is just plain speech because I don't have time or spoons to rephrase my thoughts in softer language.)
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Please do not PM, IM or Email me with support questions.  You will get better and faster responses in the support boards.  Thank you.

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