Welcome To Simple Machines!

[Overseer]

This place looks good - very good infact - well done - love the look and feel

A word of warning though - change the OS X icons before Apple finds out (I mean the iChat Smileys, and the buttons with Sherlock, and iCal icons etc...) - you will get pressurised/sued by them for infringing their copyright. - i hope these are only 'development' icons, until you get some proper ones made up

Glad to have some fellow 'Mac Weenies' working on a forum now, I'm torn between this and YaBB...

Well for one, this template here will not be included with the SMF distribution.

[LoonyPandora]

I'm not sure if Apple used a standard 'set' of smileys or whatever in iChat - but the ones on here look exactly the same, with a few additions to the set.

but seriously, look at the icons, they are taken straight form OSX - i'm not trolling or anything - just mentioning that sites have been taken down for similar things... (anyone in the Mac rumour community will vouch for this...)

and the 'mac weenie' statement was just a laugh - someone out there knows what I'm on about... (Christer, I'm looking at you...)

Yeah, it will be better than YaBB, just it's what I'm used to, hopefully this place will be better for Mac Users support needs than other board systems... - but I'm weighing it up against the experience I have with YaBB - sorry to stay, I'm sticking with what I know (nothing against you guys and gals.)

Oh, glad it won't be included, just giving you a heads up - I work for apple, and have seen many good sites been taken down, or at least threatened for similar things

[Owdy]

Hehee, someone has copypasted something 

[[Unknown]]

If you scroll up the topic a few pages you'll see we already discussed this, and it was said that it's not a problem.

If it is in actuallity, we'll change the icons.

-[Unknown]

[LoonyPandora]

If you scroll up the topic a few pages you'll see we already discussed this, and it was said that it's not a problem.

If it is in actuallity, we'll change the icons.

I didn't see that, what page is it on? - i only scanned through a bit - I read just up to page 5 before, and saw the stuff about this not being included when it is released - I just scanned through again, and didn't see anything - not beeing funny or anything, just wondering where this discussion was?

Just be warned...

[Tyris]

heheh, they're mighty similar smilies...
I swear someone here was supposed to be responsible for making them... maybe I just misinterpretted and they only made a few new ones... I just remember hearing that the buttons were copyrighted or something for use only at simplemachines...
It's a shame that the big companies care so much... I mean really its just proof of how much the people like something....
kinda reminds me of Nintendo sueing like 140 or so sites for copyright infringements in the name (had pokemon names in the domain names or something)...

[LoonyPandora]

yeah, it is very sad that they can be so picky, but you can see their point - just because they are a multinational company doesn't make it right to use their artwork without their permission... I must admit, there are a few new ones on here than in iChat... looking good nonetheless. - I wish you guys well in this very nice project.

(best bit I've seen: the additional options disclosure triangle thing on the post screen - love it)

[Peter Duggan]

I'm not sure if Apple used a standard 'set' of smileys or whatever in iChat - but the ones on here look exactly the same, with a few additions to the set.

I don't know what they're called, but I never liked these smileys anyway (apart from the 'lips sealed', which IMHO makes its point quite well)!

[[Unknown]]

My mistake, it was in another topic.

http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?threadid=226/msg3807;topicseen#msg3807

I said: if this set is copyrighted... we should take it off...

It was then explain that...

Simply put, the images have no copyright and were not built by Apple (although the iChat icons are a little different that what you see posted, He didn't actually use those graphics directly, he used the original files).  The icons were created for AIM and have been available on MacUpdate since Mac OS 9.

The background was modified, and he changed the border, and the foreground on most images.  More than 90% of all smilies have been changed.

Thus no copyright infrigement has taken place.

If I'm wrong, or this information is wrong - feel free to correct me.

-[Unknown]

[mattsiegman]

This should be far better than YaBB into terms of resource usage... simply because php and mySQL use far less resources.

Not in all cases.  You haven't seen how fast SP2 is getting.

[Tyris]

heh, true, I don't think I've ever used YaBB... and havn't used perl for a very long time...
so the general trend seems to be that php and mySQL is less resource intensive (many hosts suggest only using php boards because of this).
Anyway... I'd only ever use SMF coz I loved YaBBSE coding style... and only know php well enough to make mods.

[mattsiegman]

YaBB got a bad rep. because It is Perl and Flat-file.. it does take a bit more resources on ginormous boards... However, the current strides they are making on SP2 are incredible.
We also have to remember, PHP was designed for the web, Perl was designed for applications.  Perl 6 is being written, and will be incredibly cool and fast.  I'm curious to see how PHP and Perl get along in the next generation.

[[Unknown]]

I have SP2 installed and SMF is still faster and less resource intensive, although SP2 is a lot closer.

And, generally speaking, MySQL uses less resources..... it's very highly optimized.

-[Unknown]

[LoonyPandora]

I said: if this set is copyrighted... we should take it off...

It was then explain that...

Simply put, the images have no copyright and were not built by Apple (although the iChat icons are a little different that what you see posted, He didn't actually use those graphics directly, he used the original files).  The icons were created for AIM and have been available on MacUpdate since Mac OS 9.

The background was modified, and he changed the border, and the foreground on most images.  More than 90% of all smilies have been changed.

Thus no copyright infrigement has taken place.

If I'm wrong, or this information is wrong - feel free to correct me.

-[Unknown]

Ok, that's cool - I guess the smileys were from a set for AIM which i wasn't aware of.

2. Apple Logo and Apple-owned Graphic Symbols: You may not use the Apple Logo or any  other Apple-owned graphic symbol, logo, or icon on or in connection with web sites, products,  packaging, manuals, promotional/advertising materials, or for any other purpose except pursuant to an  express written trademark license from Apple, such as a reseller agreement.

taken from hxxp:www.apple.com/legal/guidelinesfor3rdparties.html [nonactive] - Unauthorized Use of Apple Trademarks section.

Knowing Apple as I do, they will defend the use of their images - the more generic looking images such as the home icon, and the user icon you may get away with, but certainly not pieces of their software (the logos for TextEdit, iCal, Sherlcok, Help Centre, Print Centre are all used in buttons on here) - Apple will most likely just send you a threatening letter first, but you may wish to avoid that.

Whether or not those images have been modified slightly - they are still obviously Apples icons (the date on the iCal calendar is even the same... incidently the date when it was released...) - so just letting you know what to expect. - personally I think it's cool that some people like Apple's art enough to use it on their site, but Apple don't - especially with a website that is nothing to do with Macs, and also sells a product.


SP2 is cool btw - i've not tried SMF yet, but SP2 is great, and even SP1.1 is pretty speedy for me - so I guess i'm not to bothered - good luck to you all

[bostasp]

I said: if this set is copyrighted... we should take it off...

It was then explain that...

Simply put, the images have no copyright and were not built by Apple (although the iChat icons are a little different that what you see posted, He didn't actually use those graphics directly, he used the original files).  The icons were created for AIM and have been available on MacUpdate since Mac OS 9.

The background was modified, and he changed the border, and the foreground on most images.  More than 90% of all smilies have been changed.

Thus no copyright infrigement has taken place.

If I'm wrong, or this information is wrong - feel free to correct me.

-[Unknown]

Ok, that's cool - I guess the smileys were from a set for AIM which i wasn't aware of.

2. Apple Logo and Apple-owned Graphic Symbols: You may not use the Apple Logo or any  other Apple-owned graphic symbol, logo, or icon on or in connection with web sites, products,  packaging, manuals, promotional/advertising materials, or for any other purpose except pursuant to an  express written trademark license from Apple, such as a reseller agreement.

taken from http://www.apple.com/legal/guidelinesfor3rdparties.html - Unauthorized Use of Apple Trademarks section.

Knowing Apple as I do, they will defend the use of their images - the more generic looking images such as the home icon, and the user icon you may get away with, but certainly not pieces of their software (the logos for TextEdit, iCal, Sherlcok, Help Centre, Print Centre are all used in buttons on here) - Apple will most likely just send you a threatening letter first, but you may wish to avoid that.

Whether or not those images have been modified slightly - they are still obviously Apples icons (the date on the iCal calendar is even the same... incidently the date when it was released...) - so just letting you know what to expect. - personally I think it's cool that some people like Apple's art enough to use it on their site, but Apple don't - especially with a website that is nothing to do with Macs, and also sells a product.


SP2 is cool btw - i've not tried SMF yet, but SP2 is great, and even SP1.1 is pretty speedy for me - so I guess i'm not to bothered - good luck to you all

I'd like to see Microsoft start moaning for the XP icons that litter sites on the internet. I doubt they would, therefore I doubt Apple would say anything.

[Tyris]

they don't sell a product.
the charter membership is not a "paid version" of the forum either, its a donation based on giving back to the developers. (of course the donators get something back... and I guess given that its support then it could be considered paid... )
at least thats what I understand it to be (correct me to be wrong).
(of course not saying this is justification or anything, just pointing out this is a non-profit organisation, hence the .org domain I guess)

[LoonyPandora]

I'd like to see Microsoft start moaning for the XP icons that litter sites on the internet. I doubt they would, therefore I doubt Apple would say anything.

You obviously aren't a Mac user... - Apple are REALLY protective about their trademarks, and any info - and I mean to a paranoia extent - i work for them, and internally they aren't much better - i have seen sites sent threatening letters because they used an Apple trademarked icon (the most recent case I recall was the icon for iMovie...) - I see your point, but Apple are in a league of their own when it comes to protecting their trademarks, believe me...

they don't sell a product.
the charter membership is not a "paid version" of the forum either, its a donation based on giving back to the developers. (of course the donators get something back... and I guess given that its support then it could be considered paid... )
at least thats what I understand it to be (correct me to be wrong).
(of course not saying this is justification or anything, just pointing out this is a non-profit organisation, hence the .org domain I guess)

That's a good point - but the 'charter membership' is very easy to confuse with paid membership - i.e you get extra services (I read somewhere that any updates will be applied by a member of the dev team or something similar) as well as priority support - Apple would come down hard on you even if you were a mac loving site, who made no money at all, from anything - they are that protective. Case in point: hxxp:www.spymac.com [nonactive] - in their old their logo, the smoke from the smoking man formed the shape of the Apple logo - it had to be taken down because Apple didn't like it - and they are an Apple fan site... - believe me it happens all the time... whether we like it or not.

[Tyris]

mmm, the charter membership is a bit on the dodgy side mainly because of the support they're supposed to provide... and I guess the upgrade by SMF people... (by dodgy I mean leaning on "paid services")
though I guess its irrelevent if Mac are gonna do things like that.
*checks spymacs logo* damn... the other one was... "better"...?
I hate it when companies start to do things like this.
I mean I run Nintendo websites... using Nintendo graphics for banners and whatnot... what happens when they start saying Ii cant have any nintendo images or media on my site...?
Kinda ruins the point of fan communities... I reckon maybe the should employ people to keep track of people who DO use their stuff, and only let them if they're not doing anything dodgy.

[eFishie]

What happens if they say I can't have PHP installed!?

[[Unknown]]

Well, I didn't know about those icons.  I guess we'll have to talk to Silverdragon...

(I've never really used a mac so I had no way of knowing the icons were from mac os.)

-[Unknown]