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Offline TestMonkey

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PHPBB3 comparisons inaccurate?
« on: December 13, 2007, 01:49:06 PM »

Was just browsing thru the phpbb3 site as it just went gold and just by chance hit their comparison of features link: http://www.phpbb.com/about/features/compare.php

And they seem to suggest many things that SMF doesn't do which seems to be very incorrect in area's, and some things are done thru plugins in SMF.

Just found it odd that they would do something as seemingly inacurate as that.
I may be wrong but a few specific things I notice they say SMF does not do:

Post Moderation: No (exists by default?)
Allow/Disallow e-mail Address Re-usage:  No
Topic Display Method:     Flat (this is style/theme dependant yes?
Custom BBCode Buttons: No (what tha?)
WYSIWYG Editor No (theme dependant?)
Post Drafts: No (I guess they mean saving post option prior to posting?)
Flood Control: -- (should be yes I believe.)
Automatic Image Thumbnails: - (should obviously be yes)
Custom Profile Fields: No (yes thru plugin)
Customised Topic Search: No (yes thru plugin)
Password Protected Forums: No (yes thru plugin)


That's not even goin thru the complete list..
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Re: PHPBB3 comparisons inaccurate?
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2007, 02:01:28 PM »
Would you expect another forum software to completely understand what their competitors software is capable of?

http://www.forummatrix.org/compare.php?prods[]=63&prods[]=21&x=9&y=21

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Re: PHPBB3 comparisons inaccurate?
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2007, 02:07:01 PM »
haha yah it does look like they took their list from that site funny
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Re: PHPBB3 comparisons inaccurate?
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2007, 02:09:39 PM »
Thats a new one since when could phpbb3 do

Lo-Fi View
and
Export private messages

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Re: PHPBB3 comparisons inaccurate?
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2007, 02:17:01 PM »
It is also comparing to 1.1.4.

What I don't like is the moderator vs admin control panel.  For example it says no for banning in the moderator panel but yes in the admin panel.  That makes it seem like banning is admin only when it isn't.  You can give anyone ban permission.

I am happy for the phpBB team as it is always nice to get a release out the door.

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Re: PHPBB3 comparisons inaccurate?
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2007, 02:20:01 PM »
Post Moderation: No (exists by default?)
This would be changed come 2.0. They're going from 1.1.4.

Allow/Disallow e-mail Address Re-usage:  No
This is quite correct. You cant register an email address that has already been assigned to an account because you can login with your email address.

Topic Display Method:     Flat (this is style/theme dependant yes?
Indeed it is, but so far, we haven't seen a single theme that has Threaded or Hybrid views.

Custom BBCode Buttons: No (what tha?)
Not by default in the admin center (which I'm assuming they studied) but it is possible to create your own custom BBC tags if you know how in Subs.php

WYSIWYG Editor No (theme dependant?)
Well, if going from the 2.0 version its source and JS dependant. But this will change to yes for 2.0.

Post Drafts: No (I guess they mean saving post option prior to posting?)
I should assume so. If I remember correctly, it was discussed for 2.0 but not finalised... I cant remember the outcome on that.

Flood Control: -- (should be yes I believe.)
Automatic Image Thumbnails: - (should obviously be yes)
Indeed they should be yes.

Custom Profile Fields: No (yes thru plugin)
Mod for 1.1 yes, default for 2.0 :P

Customised Topic Search: No (yes thru plugin)
Password Protected Forums: No (yes thru plugin)
Mod yes.

I'm assuming they aren't taking mods into account.
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Re: PHPBB3 comparisons inaccurate?
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2007, 02:36:09 PM »
thx for the replies and verification/info on those.
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Re: PHPBB3 comparisons inaccurate?
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2007, 07:20:48 PM »
Would you expect another forum software to completely understand what their competitors software is capable of?

http://www.forummatrix.org/compare.php?prods[]=63&prods[]=21&x=9&y=21
This was precisely the challenge we had to face when creating that page, and we expected to miss a few things because none of the team members have enough experience with SMF to know the details of the system.

Please note, however, that we did not take into account any third-party MODs or Plugins outside of mentioning the Joomla! bridge for CMS. As if those were taken into account, we could strike Yes on nearly every feature for phpBB3. The goal of the chart is to list the features that come with the default code-base without any modifications, add-ons, or plugins being installed.

I’m going over this list now and will make the necessary corrections for the comparison chart, It would be great if we could get the list completely accurate for SMF, it is certainly not our intention to do “False Feature Advertisement”.
We do respect other Bulletin Board Software and want to be as accurate as possible. If we do have inaccuracies in any of the features listed, please let me know so I can make the changes in the list.
We also have a bug tracker that is meant to handle inaccuracies in parts of the website so that they can be promptly addressed and remedied.

Thank you guys for pointing these out! :)
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Re: PHPBB3 comparisons inaccurate?
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2007, 08:07:14 PM »
Thanks for fixing that up.

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Re: PHPBB3 comparisons inaccurate?
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2007, 08:25:43 PM »
taking 3 years for a revision? - is like walking a dead :)


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Re: PHPBB3 comparisons inaccurate?
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2007, 08:48:21 PM »
I don't see anything wrong with that. Why not have a solid, stable product? The fact that they wanted the software flawless should not be an issue.
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Re: PHPBB3 comparisons inaccurate?
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2007, 08:53:55 PM »
taking 3 years for a revision? - is like walking a dead :)
Please lets be polite and not bash on any forum system.  Also please lets stay on point and be polite.  :)

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Re: PHPBB3 comparisons inaccurate?
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2007, 08:59:06 PM »
Bashing? not my intent at all..

just criticising the looong development time - that's all!

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Re: PHPBB3 comparisons inaccurate?
« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2007, 09:11:44 PM »
Highway of Life,

I'll take a proper look through and see what else I can find.

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Limit username CharsThis is set to 60 everywhere, so that's what you're referring to then you might wanna change that to yes, though, I think it could be actually made a setting in SMF 2.0.

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Post DraftsDoes "Preview" count? :P

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Forum RulesUser Agreement?

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Subscribe to ForumsThat is doable. Click Notify when inside a board, and Current Board Notifications section in the "Notifications" section of your profile.

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Manage AttachmentsThis should be changed to yes. Admin > Attachments and Avatars in 1.1, for all. 2.0 refines the attachments more to each user.

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Group-based Memberlist DisplayAdmin > Membergroups > [MEMBERGROUP]

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Localised Moderator LogsYes, but it has to be turned on in the Admin Center. Admin > Features and Options > Log moderation actions. Then Admin > Moderator Logs to view them.

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Post DetailsWhat sort of details?

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Move Multiple TopicsYou'll need to turn this on in your profile. Profile > Look and Layout Preferences > Show quick-moderation on message index as > Checkboxes and some dropdowns and checkboxes allow you to move, delete, sticky and merge multiple topics at once.

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Manage BansThese are admin actions only, I don't know why they would be in the Mod CP in the first place IMO. But at any rate, you can use permissions to allow any membergroup you choose to ban other users.

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Customise/Edit ImagesetsThey're editable in a Graphics Editor. :P

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Instant MessagingWhat about the MSN/YIM/ICQ/AIM fields in the profile and the PM system?

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Convertor WizardWe do have a converter wizard, it's convert.php and is available in all the converter packages on the download page.
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Re: PHPBB3 comparisons inaccurate?
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2007, 09:13:13 PM »
In the case of "Forum rules", "Forum" is what we call a "board", so no, SMF doesn't have that.
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Re: PHPBB3 comparisons inaccurate?
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2007, 09:18:25 PM »
Well, we have Board Based Permissions, which I suppose could count, depends on how they're referring to it I guess.
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Re: PHPBB3 comparisons inaccurate?
« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2007, 09:20:24 PM »
A chart means nothing. All someone has to do is test install both...and it will be clear which one they should use..i mean honestly. It's time for phpbb retirement.

As for the inaccuracy of the chart itself, it's obviously biased, but all companies do that. They are just trying to make their product look like it still compares to any of the other three mentioned, which is not a big deal.
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Re: PHPBB3 comparisons inaccurate?
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2007, 09:22:51 PM »
A chart means nothing. All someone has to do is test install both...

True, this is the best way for someone to choose which forum software to use at their website and not be judged by some charter or comparisons

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Re: PHPBB3 comparisons inaccurate?
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2007, 09:33:50 PM »
Makes me laugh, roflmao
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Re: PHPBB3 comparisons inaccurate?
« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2007, 09:36:09 PM »
Makes me laugh, roflmao

I take exception to that. phpBB 3.0 has had a fully paid professional audit.

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