I have one problem - mixture of post count and regular groups

[SpelingMistakes]

Hi

I have one problem - mixture of post count and regular groups

I want to manage - restrict - some of members on my forum

Situation is like this

I have several member post count groups

Tirones 0 to 50
Milites Gregarii * 50 to 150
Tesserarius **    150 to 300
The centurion *** 300 to 550
The Legat **** 550 to 1500
Legatus Legionis ***** above 1500


That function like I want - but

I want to make one Regular group where I will put inactive members - that will be restrictive which means that people will not see forum in reduced shape or reduced form. That mean those members will not see all forums - But I come to a problem - how to do that.
Some parts of forum are count based which mean members will see it only after they reach above 50 or 150 posts.


Explanation

Those inactive members are in deferent post count groups which mean some of them have under 100 posts, some have above 300 etc - How to set up that new group which will restrict its accessibility to forum. I have problem that if I create regular group, and I set some restriction (what will be visible and what will not), that looks great only on paper - that don't function in real life - why - even if I put those members in that group, they are also have privileges by post count groups - and if their post count group see all forums, they will see it also - Simply that rule of post count group has influence on all others - What to do? Any suggestion will be really appreciated.

I must say that regular groups are moderators, global moderators, etc - nothing special.

Is that mixture function on all other smf forums or? How to solve this.

[Fatality-]

You can create a regular group and use the deny permissions. This way, they will not be able to access regardless which groups they are in.

[SpelingMistakes]

I don't understand how to do that? Is there any text to read about?

Can you explain how to use that deny option –I already read about it – but then, and even now I didn't catch how to use it – in what manner – where to click and what (I know how to allow it – but I cant make it to work )– If you explain it to me – I am sure that it will be also good for all other which will have same idea or problem.

Spel

[Fatality-]

Firstly, Admin CP > Permissions > Settings, tick "Enable the option to deny permissions"

Then create a new Usergroup. You may name it 'Inactive Members' or anything you want. In the permissions setting, deny, not disallow, all permissions that you don't want them to have. After which, you just assign the members into this usergroup.

If you want this usergroup to appear in the posts and such, assign as primary group. If you want it to be hidden, assign as secondary group.

[SpelingMistakes]

Ok – I already know that and I already set up that several times making some checks and tests – But that dos not work or I don't understand how to do that

I want that inactive members can't see some boards – I go into Control panel – permissions, than go to that group permissions and I don't see any feature which can be used to deny seeing some boards. There is general and global permissions which I can allow or deny what they can do – not what they can see

When I go to member groups, and than visit that specific member group, and look at part where I can check what boards will be visible, there is all correct – all boars which must be invisible are ucheck – but again I must say – THAT don't work and thay see all those boards – I don't know what to say, but those tips simply isn't well explained – I am computer literate but every step I have done didn't do what I want

When I go to boards to see is it that group check which allow them to see it, there is also like it must be – they are uncheck which mean that board isn't visible to them - but again that don't work

Spel

[Fiery]

Set the boards you do not want them to see to have the board use "local settings".

Admin --> Boards --> Then click permissions next to the board you want to change.  The set the settings accordingly.

[SpelingMistakes]

I have Ancient Rome positions - political and military implemented on forum - That looks like that - see pictures

My regular groups of members

Augustus      administrator
Consul         global moderator   
(?)  ---         this has been moderators but I simply remove its name
Barbarian      inactive member
Belli Captivus      Prisoner of war - someone which has done bad stuff on forum
Imaginifer      people from newspaper and newsletter redaction
Immunes      important people - for the forum (invited and similar)
Imperium maius   moderators
Princeps       founders of this forum

Post count groups

Tirones
Milites Gregarii    *
Tesserarius      **
The centurion      ***
The Legat      ****
Legatus Legionis   *****


Look my pictures - i want to do that

HOW TO DO THAT

All that you already mention I have check and recheck several times - but that don't work - very simply - I have try all and my ideas are at the end - I am thinking maybe to that post count groups make regular - but that mean I will have to monitor all members and its advance on forum - which isn't to easy - Any other options - I have run out all my ideas

[Fiery]

With using local settings and by going to Admin --> Boards --> click modify next to the board you want to change than change the Allowed Groups.

[Fatality-]

Sorry, I only understand English, therefore your 2nd picture confuse me greatly.

[SpelingMistakes]

I again must say – I already DONE ALL WHAT YOU SUGEST ME – and not only that – I have try countless number of times all that – I have been aware lots of those options – but that SIMPLY DON'T WORK. I lead forum more than a year – and I have learn to setup lots of those functions before 8-9 months – I also have administration forums – and I know how to hide them (from all others except moderators and global moderators) – That's work – and I have use that setup for almost a year – But now when I have very delicate need – THAT don't work

Look my additional pictures – I have use two examples – First is set that Barbarian can see it – and tirones also – Barbarian (inactive members

I have one member for testing – and all what I have done – normally I have test on it –

If I have 10 messages I am in post count group of tirones – I put that member in barbarian group – and because it is in tirones it can see all what tirones can see but can't see upper level of forums (for example forums which has been removed form group Milites Gregari) – I don't know where is problem – Now after all those changes I am lost in space

Spel

@ Fatality

Where is problem – Names of forums are on my language – Blue color is good – without restriction and all which can be read there in blue color explain itself – Red color is connected with restrictions – There are named groups and restrictions

Green color is Legend – explanations – what is what – I don't see any problem except names of the forum – and that is irrelevant – Isn't

[SpelingMistakes]

I still didnt solve this

Any idea?

[Fatality-]

I think I have an answer to this. Because these inactive have made some posts, therefore even if they are assigned to a regular group that do not allow them to access boards, they are still able to access because of permissions granted by post count groups.

So to solve this, you need to amend your Tirones  group to 1 - 50. Then create a new post count group which is 0 - 1. Set the permissions so that this group is unable to view forums, except maybe for Introductions(explanation below). In the inactive members' profile, set their post count 0. Together with the directions from previous post, the inactive members are unable to view your forums.

However, this way, new members who register may not be able to view as well, because of their 0 post count. So you should tell them to make an intro 1st, then they will be able to view the rest of the forums.

I think this should solve your problem, although it sounds quite complicated.

[SpelingMistakes]

Hmm

Let's – see
If I change its post number I will ruin something they already achieved on my forum – That is not an question – All people have they own reasons for inactive behavior – I will not go there and agree or disagree about that – I want those people be "pushed" up in a manner to become active – I have post a rule to that – everybody under 0.3 post per day will be inactive and I will personally by hand put into that inactive group – Permissions stay same as other – only which will change is what they see – I will reduce number of boards like I already show on my picture - I simple make list of all my boards and show what I want to do – I am surprised because even if some here say it must work – that SIMPLY don't work – or don't work well – I am not aware somebody else has similar problem – and how has been solved –

Like I sad – I didn't do almost anything - I have spent very huge amount of time or testing and seeing bad results – simply I run out of ideas?

Like I already say – Maybe I will remove all except first post count groups and make it regular – That way I must tell my members that they tell me when they reach another one level – and I will again manually change its status (I mean regular group)

I HAVE RUN OUT OF IDEAS

[Fatality-]

Maybe you can take note of their post count before you reset. After they start posting, just add their current post count to whatever they had before.

[SpelingMistakes]

Think about that – Inactive members are all which are below 0.3 post per day – For instance – I am on vacation and I am out of forum for a month – my number post per day drops form 0.5 to 0.1 or similar – I have been put into inactive members, but my first post after I come back will not pool out form that group of inactive members – I must post several messages – depends how much I have been on vacation and my whole number of post – only than I will reach 0.3 post per day – If you understand what I have say than your idea is not applicable here – That is lots of "problematic" actions, and especially that with removing number of post

I am not sure why that don't work, but that still don't work – Greater problem is that I have also group for problematic people – which has not been deleted or banned form forum, but which are left on forum because we want to talk with them – They have only one board visible – and now – because this don't work – they can see almost all boards – depends in what post count group they are – That is even more problematic

I don't know what I make wrong, but something is wrong – very wrong – That fact make influence on all my other actions


I am still in problem – I will gladly hear opinions and suggestion form experienced people which will read all this thread and understood where I am and what is my problem.

Spel

[SpelingMistakes]

I still didn't solve problem - any help will be appreciated - I hope so new years holiday has finished and that somebody from SMF team will see this and have some precise suggestion.

Spel

[SpelingMistakes]

I have solve problem but with some kind of working around – I hope it can be solved better


All my post count group except one has been transfer into regular group – That one which left don't have any board visible, which means I must all my member move from one to another group by hand (even beginners and new ones which has register) – But that works – I check all my adjustments and all work – like it is intend to do.

I solved my problem, but now I have make another one – little more have than unpleasant – Like I sad – I must all my members when they reach some specific number of post transfer to another one group – by hand – It will definitively be a problem for large scale forum – I have only 50 members – but – Problem is solved – but again – it will be good for anybody to come with some better solution than this I have done.

Spel