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Re: Release date?
« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2003, 05:23:55 PM »
I don't know the release date but I do know that it's done when it's done ;)

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Re: Release date?
« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2003, 05:28:42 PM »
I don't know the release date but I do know that it's done when it's done ;)

Who told you?!!? :P

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Re: Release date?
« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2003, 05:58:11 PM »
Well for my two cents worth, and yes I know I'm probably going to get well and truly grilled for this, but it has been 4 months since YaBBSE went on the back-burner.

I can't speak for others but the bottom line is that I have been holding off and holding off and giving the dev team the time they need to develope this, but when it comes to talk of release dates etc I'm left blowing in the wind.

What worries me is that we have had a lot of hype about SMF being fast and furious, I agree it is but from a users perspective I see it that YaBBSE and its successor have stagnated for 4 months.

I keep logging in here regularly hoping to see some positive news about a planned release date but each time I find myself disappointed and leaving empty handed. Please don't go lecturing me about how hard it is or how long it takes to develope a product like this. I can fully understand it's a major undertaking, but surely by now the Dev Team has to acknowledge that the loyal members of this community who have sat patiently cannot be kept dangling with carrots ad infinitum.

I would be very grateful to see someone from the team take the lead, grab the bull by the horns and state that a release is planned for xxxx date. At least then we can see light at the end of the tunnel, because with the exception of a few posts by certain Dev Team Members all I ever seem to see is chit chat, word bomb and word association games.

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Re: Release date?
« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2003, 06:35:33 PM »
Fizzy it is hard to pinpoint a date because none of us are doing this fulltime. The amount of time put toward development isn't set at 8 hours a day so it is hard to judge that it will take such and such days because it isn't known how many hours can be spent each week.

As you can see from this board and from the Charter Members we are getting close to a release, just wait its coming sooner then you may think. ;)

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Re: Release date?
« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2003, 06:39:19 PM »
Fizzy it is hard to pinpoint a date because none of us are doing this fulltime. The amount of time put toward development isn't set at 8 hours a day so it is hard to judge that it will take such and such days because it isn't known how many hours can be spent each week.

As you can see from this board and from the Charter Members we are getting close to a release, just wait its coming sooner then you may think. ;)

Unless someone feels like they want t pay me something like $50/hour to do that.  (which isn't a lot in programming :P.)

You guys complain about the charter membership cost :P.

I put a lot of time into this, as do many others.  It won't be ready tommorow, nor the very next day.  If you can't wait, sorry.  But if you think it's been stagnant, I guess a waterfall is too.

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Re: Release date?
« Reply #25 on: December 14, 2003, 07:02:01 PM »
Actually, what have you been holding off on? install YSE and convert to SMF when it's ready like so many others. If you have been keeping up you'll knw that there are already several betas out there for Charter Members which means a public beta is getting closer....

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Re: Release date?
« Reply #26 on: December 14, 2003, 07:27:44 PM »
Well for my two cents worth, and yes I know I'm probably going to get well and truly grilled for this, but it has been 4 months since YaBBSE went on the back-burner.

I can't speak for others but the bottom line is that I have been holding off and holding off and giving the dev team the time they need to develope this, but when it comes to talk of release dates etc I'm left blowing in the wind.

What worries me is that we have had a lot of hype about SMF being fast and furious, I agree it is but from a users perspective I see it that YaBBSE and its successor have stagnated for 4 months.

No onslaught here, but two simple statements from my own perspective:

1. I haven't converted any of my 'live' YaBB SE boards to SMF yet, but that hasn't stopped them running as well as they ever did!
2. While this isn't the first post I've seen implying that YaBB SE has effectively been abandoned, it's as good a place as any to stress that some members of the team (including myself) and others (such as Shadow's Pawn) are still spending considerable time checking the YaBB SE boards and offering help to those who use it!

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Re: Release date?
« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2003, 12:02:15 AM »
* you could purchase a charter membership and have the forum right
   now.
* try optimizing your YaBB SE till they release SMF.  I just added Smart
   URL's to mine.  Until Anguz writes a mod for SMF to use them, I
   probably won't upgrade at all :)
* i can see progress on this forum every day, like in the feature   
   requests and approved/denied board.  just recently, they revamped
   the search and made a lot of good improvements.
* please encourage these guys, because they are doing this for free.   
   they could be making $50.00 or more working for someone else.
* on the other hand, don't flame Fizzy too much, because if nobody
   harassed you for a release, there might be something lacking in your
   product :)


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Re: Release date?
« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2003, 04:14:45 AM »
Guys ! Guys ! Guys !

Do not read an attack on SMF where none is intended.
If you read through my posts you will see for yourselves that I am as much behind the SMF team as anybody.
What I am trying to get across here is that from a developers point of view things are progressing at a great pace, but from a idiot-users (that's me) perspective they are not.
My point about things being stagnant are simply this ... I have had nothing to do developing my forum for 4 months. Any changes would be futile because when it's released I will be converting to SMF because I know it will be that good.
We hear about the mystical template system - I love the sound of it, but we don't even get a clue of what it's capable of, let alone a chance to have a look at beta code.
This is the point i'm deperately trying to get across without being flamed. We are eager to get to grips with SMF so we can start developing our sites but because we aren't even given a ball-park release date we don't know if we are 6 hours or 6 months away from release.

As the dev team you have all the information to hand, you know how things are progressing, you can gauge how long you expect before release, you know roughly how much more work is involved. I, on the other hand, know diddley-squat ! I sit here and I haven't a clue if SMF is 10% finished or 95% finished - that's what I mean about light at the end of the tunnel, quite simply I haven't got one.

I stand by what I said in a previous post, I would like to see SMF released as a good product, but I do not understand the mysticism that surrounds keeping everybody here informed of how things are progressing.

I know that YabbSE users are still being supported with their queries or questions and I'm glad to see that, but as far as further developement is concerned YaBBSE is pretty much a dead stick when you compare it to 6 months ago. I'm sure we are all looking forward to the release of SMF but a little bit of feedback other than "soon" would go a long way. No-one would criticise the Dev team if you were to say "we will hopefully be looking to release in 3 weeks time" and for you then to find a problem that delays the project for X weeks, but at least it's giving something to the members other than "soon".

I don't knock the Dev Team and I have no intention of slurring their fantastic efforts. For me this issue isn't about labour hours, work schedules, pay rates or amount of dedication. I wholeheartedly appreciate and support the efforts that the whole team puts in both on the boards and behind the scenes - It's simply a matter of feedback guys.
I wouldn't mind if you said "Release planned for February", at least I know roughly what we are looking at.


Feedback - That's the only thing that I find lacking (other than a paycheck for all the hours you guys have put in on this)
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Re: Release date?
« Reply #29 on: December 15, 2003, 04:25:53 AM »
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As the dev team you have all the information to hand, you know how things are progressing, you can gauge how long you expect before release, you know roughly how much more work is involved. I, on the other hand, know diddley-squat ! I sit here and I haven't a clue if SMF is 10% finished or 95% finished - that's what I mean about light at the end of the tunnel, quite simply I haven't got one.

Sorry, but we have A LOT MORE in common than you think right there.

Look.  When I tell you that if I were to give you a date I would 100% CERTAINLY miss it, no question - I'm not joking.  I'm being dead serious.  So if I ever DO give a date, and it's not tommorow or the next day, there's ZERO chance it will be out even THAT WEEK.  Trust me, I know myself and I know developing.

Edit:  Final is different.... then I have to be done a couple weeks beforehand anyway.  But, I can't give a date for THAT then either.

Dates and programming DO NOT MIX.  I'm surprised someone was able to make a "strftime" function :P.

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Re: Release date?
« Reply #30 on: December 15, 2003, 05:52:35 AM »
perhaps that'll be our xmas present, the public release  ;D

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Re: Release date?
« Reply #31 on: December 15, 2003, 07:28:45 AM »
Sorry, but we have A LOT MORE in common than you think right there.

Look.  When I tell you that if I were to give you a date I would 100% CERTAINLY miss it, no question - I'm not joking.  I'm being dead serious.  So if I ever DO give a date, and it's not tommorow or the next day, there's ZERO chance it will be out even THAT WEEK.  Trust me, I know myself and I know developing.

Edit:  Final is different.... then I have to be done a couple weeks beforehand anyway.  But, I can't give a date for THAT then either.

Dates and programming DO NOT MIX.  I'm surprised someone was able to make a "strftime" function :P.

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I hadn't really thought about it in that way.
I deal in projects with tangibles, schedules etc.
I appreciate that programming is a different kettle of fish all together but it hadn't ocurred to me that there are times when you can be focused on a goal and you don't realise you have achieved it until you look up and there it is, done.

I think I have a better understanding of what's going on now. Thanks for taking the time to explain that to me and I'm sorry if I make things hard work for the team sometimes, but sometimes people speak in different languages and I find it tricky to follow what's being said.
[Unknown] really has helped to clarify things now.
Cheers.
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Re: Release date?
« Reply #32 on: December 15, 2003, 08:11:48 AM »
Llamas are dieing left and right with this thread . . .

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Re: Release date?
« Reply #33 on: December 15, 2003, 08:32:16 AM »
...We hear about the mystical template system - I love the sound of it, but we don't even get a clue of what it's capable of, let alone a chance to have a look at beta code.

i don't know about SMF, but just installed Jack's customizable template mod on YaBB SE.  it's cool.  basically, lets you make a separate template for every board, plus includes a management system for it all.  i imagine it's something like that.  try it out on a test board. 

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Re: Release date?
« Reply #34 on: December 15, 2003, 11:38:27 AM »
I think programming and schedules can gotogeather, just it is much harder with a free project such as this.
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Re: Release date?
« Reply #35 on: December 15, 2003, 06:04:08 PM »
I think that programming and schedules have to go together. That is not to say that schedules don't change everyday... sometimes they do. But on most of the projects I have worked on we missed the first scheduled testing date, the second, and usually the third. I just think people work harder when they are approaching a release date. This project however is different. Most of the people developing SMF have other jobs or go to school. Any time they spend working on SMF is time that is effectively their "free time". Everybody waiting needs to realize this.

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Re: Release date?
« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2003, 03:23:26 AM »
According to the part of my brain that makes up random, useless, untrue remarks the public beta will be released in 4/5 weeks.

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Re: Release date?
« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2003, 04:27:07 AM »
According to the part of my brain that makes up random, useless, untrue remarks the public beta will be released in 4/5 weeks.

put in other words, you could do it like this

Code: [Select]
<?php
include(alienine/brain.php);
$arr = array(&#39;useless&#39;, &#39;random&#39;, &#39;untrue&#39;);
$release_date brain_remark($arr);
?>

could someone help me with the date/time functions to convert it to "weeks left"?

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Re: Release date?
« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2003, 07:27:19 AM »
I just wish there would be some development thing like phpbb is doing with the screenshots or whatever they are calling it, to let you download it and try it out while it's in development, that's cool, but yea, I'm still a bigger fan of this group, plus if they want to make some money off of their work then that's fine they deserve it for creating such great software.

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Re: Release date?
« Reply #39 on: December 16, 2003, 07:35:37 AM »
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