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SMF Dev Blog #42: The Blog About Life, The Universe And Everything

Started by Aaron, July 02, 2009, 04:30:24 PM

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青山 素子

That's not how a manual upgrade works. Why not read our documentation section on Upgrading SMF?
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CarpeDiem

Motoko-chan,

You missed my point entirely.  I know how a manual upgrade works and I don't need to read any documentation.  I've manually upgraded and installed four forums because of failure of the upgrade program not being able to upload files from SMF.  I always have to manually upgrade because the upgrade.php and install programs don't work for me since my webhost seems to interfere with the download process these programs need.

I was suggesting a way to get around this difficulty that a variety of us have with the upgrade tool not working with our webhosts.

Arantor

The auto upgrade process works fine on most setups; it's usually a hosting issue rather than an SMF issue. There are so many configurations it's almost impossible to make it work 100% perfectly on every single host.
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CarpeDiem

Aäron thought my idea was worthy in Post 42 in this thread.

He said "Thanks for the feedback. Having the webinstall script detect existing archives in the same directory on the webserver sounds like a good addition to me".

Since there will be changes to the database too with RC2 which the upgrade tool should take care of, I don't look forward to a manual upgrade on four forums!

This is for those few of us who seem to have this difficulty and can't seem to resolve the webhost issue.  I've read repeatedly information about this in the forum and what I've suggested may be a way to resolve it for those few of us who can't seem to get the upgrade program to operate the file upload part (and of course, it stops if it can't upload the files itself from SMF).  But, we can put the files there for it ourselves by downloading them first to our home computer and then uploading them to each of our forum sites along with the upgrade tool.  This bypasses the webhosting issue whenever that's the problem for a few of us!  All the upgrade tool would need to do is assess whether the archive is already in place to be manipulated and then no further uploading of files would be needed (since we did the heavy lifting with our own ftp program for the upgrade tool already).  I know this is not what the upgrade program currently does, but it could include this process, at least Aäron said he thought it would work!  Please see the link in the first sentence above.

青山 素子

Webinstall != upgrade

That's where you had me confused. The webinstall script does its own thing, and is different from the upgrade and install process. You were talking about webinstall, I was thinking of the manual upgrade archive.
Motoko-chan
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CarpeDiem

I now see I helped confuse the issue, since webinstall doesn't work for me as it needs to upload files to my forum. 

I thought the update tool failed for me for the same reason though when I went from RC1-1 to RC1-2 on my first forum, though I now see the update ZIP has all the files within it -- oops!  At the same time I was updating my first RC1-1 forum to RC1-2, I was also establishing fresh installs of RC1-2 on three other sites by trying to use webinstall which wouldn't work as I've explained -- and since it all occurred in the same timeframe, it all blended together in my memory.

I wonder if my webhost considers an ftp upload one thing that is safe, but if a program within a site tries to upload files, it might be a virus or some other unsafe thing so they deliberately blocks it.  I know I gave webinstall the same information I gave to Filezilla, but only Filezilla works reliably and anything working from within any site generates errors (and I'll bet this is my webhost's work! -- because they're being overly cautious I suppose).

It looks like the update/upgrade tool will work just fine as long as it has all the files in the archive within which it comes.  Sorry for the confusion!  I'm relieved the update/upgrade tool will work for me too.

c23_Mike

Hi there !

Only few days until the long awaitet and for summer promised update to RC2!
Countdown??
So long, Mike

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Özgür

We didn't have a "promise". Please don't exaggerate.
Smf released for charter = > day x
Smf released for all => x+20
Even if smf 2.0 released today, we will wait 25+ days. :)
So Long

Yağız...

Quote from: [Daydreamer] on September 09, 2009, 02:18:10 PM
We didn't have a "promise". Please don't exaggerate.
Smf released for charter = > day x
Smf released for all => x+20
Even if smf 2.0 released today, we will wait 25+ days. :)
Nope, it will just 7 days after charter release. (maybe :P )

Arantor

Indeed, Aaron stated his desire for this summer rather than an outright promise, and yes, Charter Members do - as a reward for their generosity of donation - get to see releases before regular users.

I believe historically the time is 7 days preview, and I don't believe this would be any different.
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青山 素子

There was no release date set, there is no promise. One of our developers simply stated his personal goal, nothing more.

This is why we don't say anything related to dates. It gets turned into an expectation that is then criticised if it is failed to be met. I think we can say that the lesson has been learned, and nobody will say anything about a date ever again, stated personal goal or not.
Motoko-chan
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Kenny01


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c23_Mike

Hi there!

Ok now I know how real or how to interprete the first post ... thats what I  wanted  ;D
So long, Mike

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GravuTrad

Quote from: Motoko-chan on September 09, 2009, 02:59:12 PM
There was no release date set, there is no promise. One of our developers simply stated his personal goal, nothing more.

This is why we don't say anything related to dates. It gets turned into an expectation that is then criticised if it is failed to be met. I think we can say that the lesson has been learned, and nobody will say anything about a date ever again, stated personal goal or not.

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Keeper

While waiting for next RC can be aggravating, I'm sure devs are working as fast as they can. So no point in being pushy.

However, I'd still like to see some kind of official status update. Just to know where SMF 2.0 is at, what's new since RC1, what's left before RC2 can be released, etc. No need to state any kind of dates.

Kenny01

Quote from: Keeper on September 12, 2009, 11:17:00 AM
While waiting for next RC can be aggravating, I'm sure devs are working as fast as they can. So no point in being pushy.

However, I'd still like to see some kind of official status update. Just to know where SMF 2.0 is at, what's new since RC1, what's left before RC2 can be released, etc. No need to state any kind of dates.
You can find these by searching the forum.

Arantor

Mostly what's left before RC2 is things in the bugtracker which should be visible as per the thread in News and Updates.
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c23_Mike

Hi there !

I think, I am not sure if it was this forum and this project, I have seen somewhere a tracker of bugs/topics left until release. So people could watch how progress is going on. Just to see not what, but that something is going on in background.
Maybe also only for charter membership?
So long, Mike

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c23 - DER Computer Club
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