Aeva 6.9.99 and earlier (old)

[gmvasco]

What about "slim" and "phat" versions?
I'm not a programmer, but as I see it, you would just need to keep the phat version as usual and delete all the lines of code in the slim one. But that would be yet another small task to add to the myriad of little things that make up a busy man's day.

[mark7144]

What about "slim" and "phat" versions?
I'm not a programmer, but as I see it, you would just need to keep the phat version as usual and delete all the lines of code in the slim one. But that would be yet another small task to add to the myriad of little things that make up a busy man's day.

That would defeat the purpose of him removing small websites, he is doing it so it requires less time keeping the code working for all those insiginicant sites. It's better he can focus time and support only on the major websites rather than waste time on websites almost no one will benefit from.

[Apllicmz]

Well nice work
when have time plaese Update portuguese

[Akyhne]

I think a lot of people will not like their embed sites are being removed. If they already have embed movies or music from those particular sites!!?!
Maybe make an option in the admin panel to add own code.

[metallica48423]

Thats dangerous too though.  The regexes necessary for doing this are very advanced

[mark7144]

I think a lot of people will not like their embed sites are being removed. If they already have embed movies or music from those particular sites!!?!
Maybe make an option in the admin panel to add own code.

Sorry but this mod needs to be targeted correctly, time and support cannot be given to a few individuals because they want to keep using their own rubbish video websites. If you want to keep using your video site then maybe it's just best you don't upgrade or manually carry over the code to the next update if you can do that.

[Akyhne]

Yes and no. It's a set of parameters for each site. And I'm sure only a few very skilled people here can do their own sites. But if they are willing to share those in an unsupported topic, I see no reason why this shouldn't work.

[mark7144]

Yeah, I don't see there being any problem if it's an unofficial topic where people help each other out with modding the mod, as long as it doesn't involve the author's time.

[Akyhne]

Exactly. This topic is filled with unnessescary requests for this and that site.

[Neons]

Hello

Any directions on how to expand the embedded youtube videos to the new format (960px wide)?

I tried to set the new dimensions in Subs-Aevac-Sites.php but it didn't help :<

[Nao 尚]

Hmm, many many messages... Sorry, I'm a bit behind.

Was busy on SMG work today. Will try to get friggin' Aeva out by this weekend. I've been officially made owner of this topic & the mod page, so I'll just need a few more hours of work to get something out. Not much, but it's a start. I don't want to be overconfident too quickly. I'll get to add more stuff as I get acquainted with the new codebase. (I'm way, waaaay more comfortable with Aevac 3, but since it's part of the past, well...)

Regarding the addition of new websites, I'll really keep these to a minimum. Obviously, we all want to focus on the most popular websites, and making these work well.

neon> Did you make sure to update your generated file as well...? And the new width is 640, not 960.

[gmvasco]

Take it easy with the 'tude mark7144.
Maybe akyhne's sites aren't so bad, or mine for that matter.
If we follow your line of reasoning, this mod can only become one of two things:
1 - Another Youtube embed mod. (Only the most popular site is supported)
2 - Nao's personal favorites embed mod. (Nao gets to choose what's popular)

What makes this mod so great is that it has been very democratic and heterogeneous in the choosing of supported sites. Because of user requests.
Of course, we do realize that whatever we get we should be thankful for. We are, and I've said it plenty times too. We ask for more, because for us it would be better this or that way. If Nao thinks this is too much (I wouldn't blame him), he'll say so, I'm sure.

On the bright side (the one where I'm agreeing with you), if Nao likes the idea of a  "modding the AEVAC mod" thread, we won't have this argument any more. We'll have others, granted, but not this one

Nao
I want my site supported. Others will want (and have asked for) theirs. We are the users, we are all-demanding and omnipresent. Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated...
Erm, sorry, got a little carried away there.
Seriously though, if this is becoming a problem (user requests), perhaps you should take akyhne's idea and start that thread. You'll have to give us some pointers if you decide to do that.
However, as part of The Collective the user community, I don't want that. What I really want is to have my precious supported...

But that would be yet another small task to add to the myriad of little things that make up a busy man's day.

_{P.S. I'll launch a preemptive apology for my nerdy references, but I have to tell you that you got off easy. This past months I've been reading Asimov and Tolkien, and I'm watching DS9, so I actually let you get away without mentioning any robots or Galactic Empires. It's the kind of apology where I hit you with a trout in the face 2 times and I say you're lucky, because in this weather I usually randomly hit people 3 times.}

[Akyhne]

My users and i don't post anything else than Youtube videos, and then I myself upload some videos that i play with JW FLW Media Player and JW WMV Player (through some mods I did of my own). So I really have no need for all those different sites.

What I'm trying to say is that my needs are small, but what about a guy who just have use for Youtube and maybe a few local tv stations in his/her country that really doesn't say anything to anyone else? If someone wanted to help this person with the code for embedding that particular site, it should be possible without having to edit some php script. That would make the mod even greater than it already is. And it's pretty easy to make the option to do it.

[weightman]

I'd recommend only supporting a maximum of ten video sites. As Nao says, it is better to make sure the mod is working perfectly than to support a bunch of obscure video sites most people don't care about.

My personal priorities are getting the currently broken features in V4 working:

"Check whether Youtube videos are embeddable"
" Fix uses of the embed html with an embeddable link"
  and last and least important "Include the Original Link (for sites that don't have it in the player)."

Thanks very much!

[Nao 尚]

If we follow your line of reasoning, this mod can only become one of two things:
1 - Another Youtube embed mod. (Only the most popular site is supported)
2 - Nao's personal favorites embed mod. (Nao gets to choose what's popular)

Neither of these, really...
It is important not to forget that no one wanted to take over because this mod is probably the hardest one (and the least fun one) to maintain in all of SMF's mods, although it's also clearly one of the most interesting. (It sort of is a "SMG for dummies", if I may say. SMG allows you to categorize your links and archive them. You then show them in posts with the [smg] tag. I find it to be cleaner, but of course you lose the benefits of simply posting a quick link for your friends to see and forget immediately. Which is mostly what happens on large boards.)

So, with that in mind:

- If I accepted to take over, it is because those who understand the inner layers of Aevac are a rare breed here. Those who can actually manage to improve it are close to non-existent. Right now, I simply can NOT improve it, because I was at a loss even with the v3 engine (I sent a few bug reports to Karl but I couldn't fix these bugs myself). It's a real challenge to me, knowing that I'll have to make it even better. The fact that I (hopefully?) managed to fix the &nbsp; bug immediately is not exactly something that makes me optimistic, because it was a very specific bug and I immediately noticed there was an inversion between two lines of code. (This fix will be in Aevac 5.0)

- I would like to make the mod simpler. Karl turned Aevac into a mammoth. The fact that I've remove a letter from the mod's name is exactly for the same reason I shortened my nickname from Naoki Haga to Nao three years ago: tabula rasa. So, I'm thinking of doing it in two possible ways: either use Aevac 2.0 as a basis (it worked fine... and it was extremely short) and add many features from Aevac 4.0 into it (including the site list). Or, use Aevac 4.0 as a basis (what I'm doing right now), and trying to strip it down to a much simpler version. It would mean, however, that in several situations, the mod wouldn't work, because Karl made sure it would work even with malformed URLs etc. I'll definitely have to look into this.

- Now, for the site list. Which is what most of you are interested in. I think it would be nice to make some statistics about which websites you enabled. The least enabled ones would get removed, or maybe, placed into a "lower sites" list that wouldn't be made apparent to the user in the Admin area -- they would have to click on a button to make it show up. Just like SMF2 has added a "Simple view" for group permissions. I don't use that simple view, but it sure makes it easier for newbies to adjust.

- Adding new sites: I'm still in the same position here. As I said, I will add websites according to their popularity and how good they look. If a site doesn't look like it's professional, there's little chance I'll add (or keep) it.

- I'm also looking into adding to Aeva a feature I made for SMG: embedded video thumbnails. I added thumbnail support for Youtube, Dailymotion and Metacafe (three of the biggest sites around). I've been unable to do it for Google Video, though (I'm working on it, though.) I think Aeva is the better place to support video thumbnails. And it would allow users to show dozens of Youtube links on a single page without a crash. A thumbnail link is still better than a text link, eh?
This shall be my main contribution to Aeva -- at least for now.
Oh, yes, that, and making local and remote .flv embedding work as expected. (You just provide your direct link, and a player shows up for you.)

What makes this mod so great is that it has been very democratic and heterogeneous in the choosing of supported sites.

Yeah, but I'm more of a dictator (check out my sig), so while I'm not a bad guy (I did accept taking over, right? And I'm not in it for the money), I won't be, like Karl is, a humanist who would try to satisfy everyone. I'll try to find the best balance between my own satisfaction and yours.

Just have a look at what SMF Media Gallery has become since I jumped onboard. Some fantastic challenges, a lot of satisfaction for me (and Dragooon), and happy users. I have many fields I can work on in SMG, and this is less valid for Aeva. So the thumbnail thing would be a step in the good direction for me.

Of course, we do realize that whatever we get we should be thankful for.

Oh yeah, I'd need more bug reports, too I currently don't have to read all the backlog of bug reports from this topic.
Jade did report to me the .core thing, but I couldn't reproduce it on my server, so I would need a zipped copy of one of these files...

We are, and I've said it plenty times too. We ask for more, because for us it would be better this or that way. If Nao thinks this is too much (I wouldn't blame him), he'll say so, I'm sure.

Yeah, count on me for that. (Some people over at smf-media.com *know* how I can be vocal in these moments. )

On the bright side (the one where I'm agreeing with you), if Nao likes the idea of a "modding the AEVAC mod" thread, we won't have this argument any more. We'll have others, granted, but not this one

Actually, I think Aeva should be part of SMF, in a stripped down version (only Youtube, Dailymotion and 5-6 more websites). And then Aeva would simply become a mod that would add more site regexps.
Of course, this will never happen. Hell, SMF2 final will not be released before it feature-freezes over. (Oh! A pun and double-entendre. That one was nearly funny. If only I hadn't pointed it out.)
So, well, the least I can do is make sure Aeva is "there" for other mods to use. SMG is already using it if it's detected. As long as the mod is free (well, that's the spirit), you can be sure I won't refuse this kind of deal. (I wouldn't mind being asked, though.)
As for modding Aeva itself -- nope. It would bring other issues. What I could do, however, is add hooks to plug your code into -- not sure how to do it for now, but I'll try to think of it. The goal would be to add functionalities to Aeva without taking any chances.

_{P.S. I'll launch a preemptive apology for my nerdy references, but I have to tell you that you got off easy. This past months I've been reading Asimov and Tolkien, and I'm watching DS9,}

What? You mean the Borg was in DS9? I don't remember that...! I thought they were in TNG and Voyager only.

@akyhne> Yes, I could do that, too... A site editor for adding new sites. Either through importing a code block (saves you the need of firing up your ftp client), or entering data into input boxes. But you would have to edit your php files to find out the regexp first, eh...

@weightman> Ten to 15 video/audio sites would be perfect, yeah. That would be the "simplified" list I would show by default in the Aeva admin area. The question is -- which websites do I show?

Okay, I'm doing my first list... Youtube, Dailymotion, Metacafe, Google Video. What else? Complete the list. I found this: http://social-media-optimization.com/2008/03/top-10-video-sites/
It's from last March, and has some logical sites on it... But no veoh.com and hulu.com which I thought were popular. I don't know about hulu.com actually (not available for French users), but it's mentioned here: http://social-media-optimization.com/2008/06/myspace-losing-video-ground/
Also, a few websites that seem popular (Facebook Video, Truveo.com which is on alexa.com's site list...) do not appear in the current Aevac list, which is surprising.

Still @weightman> Check whether Youtube videos are embeddable works for me... (?) Can you tell me what doesn't work? And if it doesn't, can you tell me whether the *package* remote downloading function works for you at all? (Because Aeva uses the same functions to retrieve its data. I don't, so we might have something here.) Do you have Safe mode enabled?

"Fix uses of the embed html"> I didn't test this, and whether it works or not, I'm not very eager to keep it at all actually...
"Include the original link"> Works for me... What's the problem? The only thing I might change is the font size.

[Akyhne]

A suggestion could be to make it with "plugins". "Download a file for each site you want supported" from the admin center. I don't see the big deal in that.

About invalid links posted from a member in a forum: Well that's why forums have moderators - to solve the stupid issues people are doing.

[gmvasco]

What? You mean the Borg was in DS9? I don't remember that...! I thought they were in TNG and Voyager only.

First episode (actually, a double episode), Picard as Locutus kills Sisko's wife in the space battle.
I'm going through every series and movie ever made in order, hopefully finishing in time for the upcoming movie. So, although you were close to the mark with that comment, I have recently finished TNG and moved onto DS9, and the Borg references are still fresh to me.
Now, back to the topic:

Although I would like to see divshare support for my own selfish purposes (it allows mp3 upload, preview and download for free), I must admit it is not very popular. So, take it of the list if you will.
However, I would add a couple of popular sites to that list you mentioned:
Vimeo and Revver.
Vimeo is the standard for high quality video streaming and is widely used. I've seen it on almost every other geek blog/website/forum.
Revver is the adsense of online videos (embedding ads in your videos), and I've seen it in some places but I guess it is losing popularity.

What about a poll?
Setup a poll with ALL the options (except youtube, metacafe and such) and allow 3 votes per person. The top 5 get added to the ones you already decided.

A suggestion could be to make it with "plugins". "Download a file for each site you want supported" from the admin center. I don't see the big deal in that.

I also like the possibility of adding our own sites. If Nao can point us in the right direction, I'm sure some of us might be able to do it.

[qubbah]

How can i mixing the problem like this?
The physical thumbnail #14, used with item #9, is missing

[weightman]

@weightman> Ten to 15 video/audio sites would be perfect, yeah. That would be the "simplified" list I would show by default in the Aeva admin area. The question is -- which websites do I show?

I'd recommend Revver and Brightcove be added to the list.

Still @weightman> Check whether Youtube videos are embeddable works for me... (?) Can you tell me what doesn't work? And if it doesn't, can you tell me whether the *package* remote downloading function works for you at all? (Because Aeva uses the same functions to retrieve its data. I don't, so we might have something here.) Do you have Safe mode enabled?

The feature currently does nothing for me. How do I test if the package remote downloading function works. I have never done that before. In admin-packages I presume, but where and what? Safe mode is not enabled on my server.

"Fix uses of the embed html"> I didn't test this, and whether it works or not, I'm not very eager to keep it at all actually...

Bummer.

"Include the original link"> Works for me... What's the problem? The only thing I might change is the font size.

I don't care about this feature actually, but it doesn't work for me, at least not with Youtube, Revver, or Brightcove.

Thanks!

[weightman]

I'm also looking into adding to Aeva a feature I made for SMG: embedded video thumbnails. I added thumbnail support for Youtube, Dailymotion and Metacafe (three of the biggest sites around). I've been unable to do it for Google Video, though (I'm working on it, though.) I think Aeva is the better place to support video thumbnails. And it would allow users to show dozens of Youtube links on a single page without a crash. A thumbnail link is still better than a text link, eh?

I'm not sure I like this idea as then you would have to click the link and open another site to view the video and avoiding that need is sort of the whole point of this mod IMO. But, this would be a really cool thing to have happen to video links occurring after the per post or per page limit is reached. So, instead of only displaying the link once the limit is reached it would display the clickable thumbnail. That would be a very cool improvement IMO. Or, perhaps even provide an option for the user to select whether a thumbnail or embed are displayed though I am afraid of adding complexity to the feature on the user's end.

Oh, yes, that, and making local and remote .flv embedding work as expected. (You just provide your direct link, and a player shows up for you.)

This is a really cool idea but I will say one last time it seems like a different mod to me.

Thanks very much.