Aeva 6.9.99 and earlier (old)

[Stef001]

Throw away  SMF Media Gallery fix the problem.

Thanks.

Using the word "throw away" isn't exactly very nice to me... I've worked really hard, full time, on SMF Media Gallery for over 2 months... That's why I told you it would be best to update, because I know v1.5.1 (I didn't work on v1.0.x) interfaces finely with Aeva (it actually uses Aeva for some of its work).

Oh, well... I guess you're not going to take my word for it anyway

I don`t use SMF Media Gallery.
I use SMF Gallery Pro.

But maybe in the futher i go back to SMF Media Gallery.
For now SMF Gallery Pro is more usefull for me.

But thanks for the advise.

Stef.

[Nao 尚]

For now SMF Gallery Pro is more usefull for me.

In what way(s) is it more useful for you? Just curious.

[iceburn23]

Hi everyone.

I know this is a dumb question, but how do i ad a site to AEVA?

Need to ad sites like redtube, but don't know how.

What do i edit, and what am i looking for?

Thanks to Nao and anyone that could help.

[Nao 尚]

Adding sites can be annoying and long. It can also be hard in some cases.
Mostly, it's annoying.
But it can be done. You'll need to learn basic regular expressions and analyze Aeva's source code.
Otherwise, just submit your websites to the Aeva board, following the guidelines of course.

[iceburn23]

Thanks, but the problem is that i need to ad sites like redtube and megaporn.... i can get the code to embedd but i don't know where to put it.... and since you said, that you wouldn't ad porn sites

It's just that my forum is of an adult nature..... and i really could use this mod .... please help.

Thanks.

[Nao 尚]

I had a look at redtube... Looked easy enough to implement, so I took a few minutes to do it. Tell me if it works or not.

Koodi [Valitse] Laajenna

array(
'id' => 'red',
'title' => 'RedTube',
'website' => 'http://www.iwontlinktothatsite.com',
'type' => 'video',
'added' => '5.1',
'plugin' => 'flash',
'embed-enabled' => true,
'embed-pattern' => 'http://(?:www\.)?redtube\.com/(?:embed/|share/)?([0-9]+)',
'embed-movie' => 'http://embed.redtube.com/player/?id=$2&style=redtube',
'embed-width' => '434',
'embed-height' => '344',
'embed-nolink' => true,
'fix-html-pattern' => '<object height="[0-9]*" width="[0-9]*"><param name="movie" value="http://embed\.redtube\.com/player/"><param name="FlashVars" value="id=([0-9]+)&style=redtube">.*?</object>',
'fix-html-url' => 'http://www.redtube.com/$1',
),


I don't think I'll do youprn and megaprn because they require lookups.
The question is -- should I add RedTube to the Aeva site list or not?

[mark7144]

I wouldn't add porn videos to Aeva, I'm not a religious person at all but I can imagine a few of them feeling uncomfortable downloading the mod if that were the case. I could be wrong but it's probably not worth it.

[Nao 尚]

Yeah, I'm not religious either and I don't really mind about posting links etc (especially if I don't actually link to the thing, instead putting a dummy URL), but Karl seemed to be very keen on keeping these links away from Aevac, so I'm not sure what to do...

[Akyhne]

I'm pretty sure SMF is not going to like if you add adult sites. What about an adult upgrade package to be downloaded from your own website or from somewhere else?

[Eliana Tamerin]

Please don't add the adult sites to AEVA. If someone really wants to embed the porn, they'll find someone who knows regex and can implement it as a separate addon. But if you keep it family friendly, you'll have few complaints.

[Akyhne]

Youtube now officially supports HD
http://www.youtube.com/blog?entry=--fMNA_lkPM

[Nao 尚]

Please don't add the adult sites to AEVA. If someone really wants to embed the porn, they'll find someone who knows regex and can implement it as a separate addon. But if you keep it family friendly, you'll have few complaints.

Yeah... How about I keep it disabled and "hidden" inside the code? If anyone requests support for RedTube, we'll just need to tell them to enable the site by modifying the php file and changing a "false" to "true", and re-build the Generated-Sites list after that.
Or is it still too much?
Because I'm really not sure how to do it otherwise... When I'll do my downloadable site list in the future, I'll probably put it for download on SM's Aeva mod page, so if it has an "adult pack" in the entry list, people may be even more angry than if I just silently add the stuff to the normal package...

Hmm I really would have liked to discuss that in a few months time, rather than now...
Oh well it's just one site. I don't have to include it. Which is why I posted the code above.

[Xepernas]

Haha, I adore that porn question. I saw on Noisen that Nao politely refused to provide embedding for some nazi/gore video website, and I find this extremely interesting. As a tool (re-)creator, what freedom can you claim on the usage of your tools, and where is the limit. Nao makes the effort to embed unmotivating sites he has zero interest in, and deliberately rejects sites he probably judges shouldn't exist (sites he'd probably "fight", if there was a mean to). The fun with porn is that it stands exactly in the grey area : uninteresting, unsympathic sites, that there's no real moral, objective reason to reject. While we can assume an objectivity in the benefit of crushing racisms/fascisms and their expression (as those aren't necessarily distinct things), the judgement on porn is subjective, and a personal choice with impact on a multitude of users.

I'm amused as I have no opinion on the question, and zero idea of the choices I'd make (I'm possibly nasty enough to make quite a random choice based on taste, and where "racism" or "fascism" starts to my eyes would probably involve reacting to any national flag gif). So I'm curious about how others deal with that. I wouldn't mind an AEVA(C) to allow for porn sites, as it is non-intrusive (unlike, say, search engines that cluster results with penii when it's allowed). I think that refusing them is a dangerous (not necessarily bad, but dangerous) little step away from the originally intended "objectivity" and "generalism". But once we admitted that some sites deserve to be blocked (typically, nazi ones), we imply there is a line somewhere, splitting the continuum in two : absolute "go" and absolute "no-go". And thus, there's a responsability of drawing that line, which will be, by definition, unfair (as any mental category is, just because imposing discontinuity on natural continuity is always unfair to the borderline cases).

I do hope this will be debated. Not to see it solved, but just because the arguments on both sides will be interesting.

(Also, my tolerance to "porn" is a lot linked to the ambiguity of the notion : Americans asking the classical sculptures to wear bras aboard the Queen Mary 2, some forum censoring Edika and Reiser as "pornographic", and some french considering Hara-Kiri and even the Charlie Hebdo/Mensuel as porn magazines. Plus, it evocates to me the very dangerous and injust attitude of societies and governments toward prostitutes. I don't think we're dealing here with such ambiguities, as I suppose the internet porn video sites go by a very univocal and openly assumed definition of "porn" - and Nao's cultural background probably makes him safely match my sensitivities on those matters. But it's just the cause of the pavlovian shiver that goes down my spine, each time I witness "no porn" policies being put in place.)

[weightman]

Yeah... How about I keep it disabled and "hidden" inside the code? If anyone requests support for RedTube, we'll just need to tell them to enable the site by modifying the php file and changing a "false" to "true", and re-build the Generated-Sites list after that.

I don't see a problem with that. I definitely don't want porn sites enabled. I run a family friendly forum and the last thing I need is some idiot posting porn videos on my site.

[Akyhne]

First of all it is absolutely up to the author what sites he wants to add. We can't demand anything at that point.

Second there has been requests for site support from sites with only a few hundred videos. What's the point of adding such a site?

Third nazi propoganda is illeagal in a lot of countries. It should never be added and it is absolutely up to NAO wether he wants to add that kind of sites or not.

About porn sites: It's really a question wether you think porn should be in "eyesight" of children. If it is implemented to SMF, kids will soon find out. So if you think a tv station can broadcast porn in the middle of the day just with a warning "for adults only", then I can understand your view, but I don't agree.

Porn sites could be an option, but never in the official AEVA package.

[Xepernas]

First of all it is absolutely up to the author what sites he wants to add. We can't demand anything at that point.

Indeed, but the interesting thing is a bit beyond this. If the author himself aims at the most "generally useful" tool, what are the limits he'll set. If he has a bit of a passive approach ("so, people, what would you like in it" - and it seems Nao has this open approach), the discussion becomes public, even if it's less demands than suggestions or opinions. To my eyes there's a bit of a dilemma to solve in both cases, and the train of thought around it will be interesting to follow. It'd be even if it's one person's train of thought. It'll be even more if it's a collectivity's. I'm speaking as a spectator (and maybe, an ipsy tiny bit, as an anthropologist).

About porn sites: It's really a question wether you think porn should be in "eyesight" of children. If it is implemented to SMF, kids will soon find out. So if you think a tv station can broadcast porn in the middle of the day just with a warning "for adults only", then I can understand your view, but I don't agree.

I'm not certain the analogy holds. What's fascinating is that porn rules in forums are to the discretion of admins, and that AEVA(C) already allows to selectively toggle videosites on and off. It's even redundant if the forum has a no porn rule (you wouldn't need to specifically toggle porn video off as any porn media would be moderated anyway), and it's even more redundant if you make it a hidden option (you can toggle it off, so why toggle it off in a way that hides something is toggled off ?). Personally I manage a tiny forum where porn would be frowned upon (no "ban/warning" system, just an ideology statement and hopefully some social pressure sufficient to keep the place sufficiently classy), and I don't think I'd actively disable/enable the porn sites in AEVA. It doesn't threaten me, as the porn-filter is at another level (plus, I expect these users to not post porn while having the ability to). If video embedding wasn't based on per-case codes, would you reject a tool that would simply generally "allow video embedding" ? 

Maybe I missed something, but AEVA(C) doesn't "display" anything directly. It won't go fetch porn videos on its own. So I don't see how it can be compared to tv channels, especially as the very list of potentially enablable(1) websites is only visible by the admin himself.

I suspect the reaction is more symbolic than pragmatic. That is : a mere problem of identity (the sites list seeming at some level, implicitely "endorsed" by AEVA/Nao) and contamination (the presence of a porn site in the list being a stain that "pollutes" the mod and the site that uses it). That's a tad irrational, so I don't think it should be debated on a pragmatic level (as I said, unless I missed some point), but I think there's room for valid discussion and arguments at, precisely, a symbolic/representation level. Which I don't mean to be derogative. 

__________
(1) This is now officially my favorite word ever.

[karlbenson]

What sites are supported by this mod does not curtail any freedoms of expressions.
Sites have always been added at "the creators discretion" (whether there are legitimate reasons for excluding it or not).

If the user wants to support any sites that the creator of the mod refuses to support, then providing that they can EASILY write their own definition for those sites.

The "no porn sites" rule which I started was for was TWO separate reasons.
1) I did not want to have to visit those sites to write definitions for them.
- I have no problem with you writing a complete and working definition for them.
2) Aevac at the time had no easy enable/disable in the admin cp. When this was added in aevac4 I was prepared to add them. As long as i did not have to write them.

However this is one reason why I would take the mod down the xml definition route (as I've discussed with Nao), to allow for users to upload their own definitions [which they write themselves].) Of course its Nao's decision on whether to go down that route.
But it would enable the possibility of  a porn site expansion pack (created by a third party)

Obviously Nao, is now in creative charge of the mod, so its his decision on what sites to support and what sites to write definitions for.
FYI, I wouldn't have been willing to support that Nazi/Gore site either.

Either way Xepernas, i would suggest that if you want adult sites to write definitions for them and attach them here for other users who may also want them.  Maybe they will get added, maybe not.
But it is unreasonable to expect a person to visit those sites to write a definition, when they want no part of those sites.

[Xepernas]

Indeed. I think that's the objective element in the "endorsing" feeling (having gone through the effort of coding it - or even, having prioritized it on some other site). I think that's where the coder's "taste" or "ideology" plays a pragmatic role. Upstream.

But the question is a tad different here, as Nao did write a code already, and the question has become "add it to aeva or not". Downstream. And there we face some interesting reactions.

[iceburn23]

Hi Nao. Thanks, but the mod is still not working

What can i be doing wrong?

[iceburn23]

on Redtube i mean