Will the development of SMF continue ? (Especially 2.0 Final)

Started by Tapsa2, February 13, 2010, 02:50:35 PM

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Quote from: Question2010 on February 20, 2010, 12:09:06 AM
Quote from: Ha² on February 20, 2010, 12:04:10 AM
* Ha² notes that Motoko-chan was a Project Manager until mid-to-late last month and likely knows more about the inner operations of SMF than I, or most people, will ever know.

I notice that when he/she wrote "before i left the team". But thats why he/she was a Project Manager.
I could be wrong, and please correct me if I am, but Motoko-chan left on his own terms, not by force.
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Quote from: Ha² on February 20, 2010, 12:13:08 AM
I could be wrong, and please correct me if I am, but Motoko-chan left on his own terms, not by force.

I did. It was for personal reasons, mainly relating to my family.
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Question2010

Quote from: Motoko-chan on February 20, 2010, 12:12:15 AM
Quote from: Question2010 on February 19, 2010, 11:56:30 PM
I would love that Chick-fil-A coupon, if you have more please email me some. If its 1 coupon per customer, then i only want one.

Sorry, it's printed on cardstock and the back is part of their advertising thing, so they can detect copies easily. Besides, it literally said it was only good at the one specific store by me (Colonies Crossroads). I couldn't have used it, for example, at the one by the Ontario Mills.

This is quite off-topic, however.


Quote from: Question2010 on February 19, 2010, 11:56:30 PM
I would go into details on how multiple-severs function and how free software work, but i would not.
I just put it this way, you disagree with me that SMF is 100% free yet you also said they pay about $1,000 for sever cost. So even if you were right (which i doubt it) it still wouldn't make sense to those that understand plain English.

My guess is you also think Google is 100% free. Well Google is not 100% free..

Well, they provide their services for no cost. They can do so by their model of selling advertising space via various networks. I suppose you could argue that I indirectly pay for the service by those advertisers adding the cost of that advertising through products I might purchase through them. That is true. The same is true with OTA television and even broadcast radio.

SMF has income through the advertisements that run on the website, and through donations such as via the charter program. This helps cover the hosting costs and other incidental costs. However, there is no direct charge for the product itself. It is thus free.

Those all depends, even though you may not pay with cash, you still offer something they want in return for their services.

The definition of "free" is different between us. You as a former Project Manager should know that its only "free of use as is" and nothing else.
If it was really 100% free then i say remove that advertisement link on every SMF forum. Oh wait 'advertisement link' ?? free my azz!

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Quote from: Ha² on February 20, 2010, 12:13:08 AM
Quote from: Question2010 on February 20, 2010, 12:09:06 AM
Quote from: Ha² on February 20, 2010, 12:04:10 AM
* Ha² notes that Motoko-chan was a Project Manager until mid-to-late last month and likely knows more about the inner operations of SMF than I, or most people, will ever know.

I notice that when he/she wrote "before i left the team". But thats why he/she was a Project Manager.
I could be wrong, and please correct me if I am, but Motoko-chan left on his own terms, not by force.

Even if it's on his own terms, he still was a Project Manager. No offensive, Motoko-chan.

青山 素子

Quote from: Question2010 on February 20, 2010, 12:31:06 AM
Those all depends, even though you may not pay with cash, you still offer something they want in return for their service.

The definition of "free" is different between us. You as a former Project Manager should know that its only "free of use as is" and nothing else.
If it was really 100% free then i say move that advertisement link on every SMF forum. Oh wait 'advertisement link' ?? free my azz!

You are able to modify it in any way you want as long as you follow the license, which means you can't remove the link at the bottom. That doesn't make it any less no-cost.

That "free" OTA television also has restrictions, too. Likewise GPL software, which tries to confuse the rather simple term of "free" with a non-usual meaning for the context. The GPL is actually quite restrictive, by the way.


Quote from: Question2010 on February 20, 2010, 12:31:06 AM
Even if it's on his own terms, he still was a Project Manager. No offensive, Motoko-chan.

Not sure what the offense would be...
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Question2010

#104
I think this subject can go on and on. Even with the sever cost which we didn't talk about much. I personally think the money should go into development and not the pockets of the managers, oops.. i meant the overpriced sever.

Im for freedom, you're for freedom with strict rules, which is not freedom, but like bending the truth which is also not being fully truthful but partly truthful with lies that can make truthful not completely truthful.  :o
And please, you can't compare software with hardware or anything that's no comparable. lol

Sorry im done with this subject  :P. I understand where you're coming from and we both have to agree to disagree.

BTW: I thought you were a female because they do not stop. I also thought that was a picture of you in your avatar.  :-X

青山 素子

Quote from: Question2010 on February 20, 2010, 12:51:43 AM
I think this subject can go on and on. Even with the sever cost which we didn't talk about much. I personally think the money should go into development and not the pockets of the managers, oops.. i meant the overpriced sever.

Yeah, but the money never did go into those pockets. It was spent back out. I think I stated that earlier. As for the overpriced, that money was for two HP ProLiant DL360 servers with good specs. I think there were also a few other hardware costs in there.


Quote from: Question2010 on February 20, 2010, 12:51:43 AM
Im for freedom, you're for freedom with strict rules, which is not freedom, but like bending the truth which is also not being fully truthful but partly truthful with lies that can make truthful not completely truthful.  :o
And please, you can't compare software with hardware or anything that's no comparable. lol

I never said anything about freedom. I always said that SMF was free as in no-cost.

One man's freedom is another man's restrictions. Look no further than the GPL for that where you are told exactly what you must do (restrictions) to ensure "freedom".


Quote from: Question2010 on February 20, 2010, 12:51:43 AM
BTW: I thought you were a female because they do not stop. I also thought that was a picture of you in your avatar.  :-X

That's rather misogynistic.

This has gone well off the track. Team, feel free to lock this topic, it's quite well done going on burnt-to-a-crisp.
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Question2010

#106
Quote from: Motoko-chan on February 20, 2010, 01:02:47 AM
Quote from: Question2010 on February 20, 2010, 12:51:43 AM
I think this subject can go on and on. Even with the sever cost which we didn't talk about much. I personally think the money should go into development and not the pockets of the managers, oops.. i meant the overpriced sever.

Yeah, but the money never did go into those pockets. It was spent back out. I think I stated that earlier. As for the overpriced, that money was for two HP ProLiant DL360 servers with good specs. I think there were also a few other hardware costs in there.


Quote from: Question2010 on February 20, 2010, 12:51:43 AM
Im for freedom, you're for freedom with strict rules, which is not freedom, but like bending the truth which is also not being fully truthful but partly truthful with lies that can make truthful not completely truthful.  :o
And please, you can't compare software with hardware or anything that's no comparable. lol

I never said anything about freedom. I always said that SMF was free as in no-cost.

One man's freedom is another man's restrictions. Look no further than the GPL for that where you are told exactly what you must do (restrictions) to ensure "freedom".


Quote from: Question2010 on February 20, 2010, 12:51:43 AM
BTW: I thought you were a female because they do not stop. I also thought that was a picture of you in your avatar.  :-X

That's rather misogynistic.

This has gone well off the track. Team, feel free to lock this topic, it's quite well done going on burnt-to-a-crisp.

Damn Super Exact Specific Member, i can play like that too because i also did say 100% free, didn't i.. and offense was taken there, wasn't it??   ;D
And why is everything to you about food? First its Chick-fil-A and now i bet "burnt-to-a-crisp" is also about food.

Edit: No offense, Motoko-chan. I'm sorry, you know im just joking with you.

青山 素子

Quote from: Question2010 on February 20, 2010, 01:09:59 AM
And why is everything to you about food? First its Chick-fil-A and now i bet "burnt-to-a-crisp" is also about food.

It was a reference to the old phrase "stick a fork in it, it's done".
Motoko-chan
Director, Simple Machines

Note: Unless otherwise stated, my posts are not representative of any official position or opinion of Simple Machines.


Kindred

well, hell... this has gotten rather off track.

Just to clear up a few points before I lock this topic as being answered and done with.

RC3 will be out soon.
RC3 will patch the known security holes
Hiding the version number is not a security measure at all. (security through obscurity never works)
The SMF Devs are not going to be paid (SMF has never made enough money to command a single developer's salary let alone multiple, and SMF is and always will be a VOLUNTEER organization)
Nao and Motoko have already driven all the nails into the coffin of the books and finances.
SMF is and always will be FREE software and OPEN SOURCE software... Unless you subscribe to some rather convoluted notions about what "free" means.
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